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Dec 27, 2000, 4:09am

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easy : stand next to the "wall", your back facing it. Then switch to 3rd
stage of the 3rd person view ...

Andras sent me the information that the wall is new in 3.0 (world server
I think), it wasn't there before so you could walk around and enter the
from the distant "edge" of the world before.


nova schrieb:
>
> i know a bot can gobeond the wall and can go above it as well you can also
> in your own world make a object with a masivly ocenter pivot center point
> and turn it to the outside of the wall on the other side. now can a user go
> past this point iheard people say they can but have never seen proof ie a
> screen shot showing them at some corod beond the wall and no one has said
> how to do it just that they did.......
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Dec 25, 2000, 10:18pm

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http://www.vobis.de/bbs/firmen/hshl/service/index.htm

has all VBRun versions

imagine schrieb:
>
> Hi All
> I downloaded a game for my kids from the net and it's missing a dll. I was
> wondering if anyone has a VBRUN100.DLL they would be willing to share with
> me?
> Thanks :)
> Imagine
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Dec 28, 2000, 9:11pm

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looking at name and email address - doesn't make me wonder

awusa schrieb:
>
> AWUSA dose more than u could imagen. But AWCOM dost want us to tell about
> us
>
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Dec 30, 2000, 11:39am

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Last time when it happened they added the days that were lost (I think
even a few more), maybe they will do it again

kah schrieb:
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> The trial I'm having is DOWN! And trials only last for 30 DAYS! This makes
> me MAD!
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Dec 30, 2000, 5:50pm

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visiting more than one universe is OK I think - there are more than 40,
why not travel a little :)

zero schrieb:
>
> terporary?
>
> hehe couldnt resist..
>
> I remain loyal to AW through thick and thin!
> alot of thin, but hey, its all good.
>
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Jan 5, 2001, 9:50pm

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Mature women and old men?

lilalpha phalpha schrieb:
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> *Ahem* Old men AND women ;)
>
> LilAlpha Phalpha
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Jan 6, 2001, 6:59am

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A women (very good friend) from america told me women don't get old :)

Volker


lilalpha phalpha schrieb:
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> What exactly is that supposed to mean?
>
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Jan 10, 2001, 8:27pm

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Telling people what informations they can get and what informations
others can get about them can never be wrong, especially if you don't
refer to any hacking tools but to the primitive standard networking
tools.

Netstat, Ping and Tracert are not hacking tools in any way, they don't
monitor pakets or attack people, they can just help to get a first hit
how to fix a problem. I encourage everyone to play with these things, it
is always good to know how open the web really is, although this is only
a sneak peek into the informations that can be collected with other
tools.

Hiding informations is a politics that made Micro$oft so big and keeps
"normal users" (for eep : that's what you call newbies) so far away from
even the necessary knowledge. No need to do the same here.


nova schrieb:
>
> you shouldnt have posted the netstat thing alot of peeps with puters dont
> know bout it to begin with id never post any thing bout netstat and the like
> when some one is talking bout hacking some one alot of people will use the
> threat of hacking to scare some one and dont realy know a dang thing bout
> hacking
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Jan 13, 2001, 3:33pm

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Oh, that's because eep lost the topic, he was whining about a feature
that is not yet implemented. The original thread wasn't about bugs.

holistic1 schrieb:
>
> He has Casay, :). Now all eep has to do is buy a dictionary. Hmmm,,,, "Yea,
> because I'd run circles around Roland's pathetic attempt at coding..." = "In
> finding bugs, Casay...". Coding=debugging.
>
> Say what you mean Eep. Be efficient.
>
> I just couldn't resist.
>
> Holistic1
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Jan 15, 2001, 11:15pm

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Optional you could compare the IQ off course, it's the same as well.

nova schrieb:
>
> eheh compare the ip addys in the headers to his other posts and youll see
> the same ip so it was ethier him or some one in his house
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Jan 16, 2001, 1:03am

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Well, you have 5 fingers to count, right ?

nova schrieb:
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> lol dont think thats listed in the headers though :)
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Jan 21, 2001, 10:23pm

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Need it again? Excerpt from your providers rules :

... Examples of
disruptive activities include, but are not limited
to, posting multiple messages with no text in
the body, or posting many follow-ups to
messages with no new text. ...



col klink schrieb:
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------Whats
> Up??????And Dont Complain About My Capitals
>
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Jan 17, 2001, 9:28am

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Who is worse, Agent Fox Mulder or eep ?

I cannot make a decision, both usually make me angry and both should NOT
post in a COMMUNITY newsgroup I think.

Both show with nearly every posting that they have a big hole in the
brain where social behaviour should be located. And they seem to compete
for the 1st place in the skills of social misbehaviour.

So please, AFM and eep - learn or step in front of a train. I am sure
most of us would appreciate that.

Volker

p.s.:OK, AFM should not post anywhere else either ...
p.p.s.: No, eep - I will not loose my vcard, it isn't just a NetScape
feature, it is RFC compliant and I like it
(http://apollo.wu-wien.ac.at/manuals/rfc/rfc2426.txt)
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Jan 17, 2001, 7:12pm

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rolu schrieb:
>
[View Quote] Mulder might learn when he grows up ...

>
> Why not? Because someone pisses you off, he shouldn't post here?

Off course :) They annoy me and that's my thought.

>
> Eep makes up with technical knowledge. Therefore many people don't want him
> to leave. And a group full of happyhappyhappy people isn't fun either.

Technical knowledge doesn't help in a community newsgroup.
I like to read interesting discussions but too much polemics and abuse
here at the moment.

>
> For AFM - ok. He's getting a bit too annoying.
>
>
> Now you mention it...

No way ! *grin*

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Jan 17, 2001, 11:42pm

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First lesson learned I hope. Without capitals and with punctuation it
can actually be read what you write.

Next you should try to learn how to avoid crossposting. Crosspost only
only in the rare case that your message really matches the themes of
more than one newsgroup.

Third step will be to avoid meaningless posts and to play too much with
message subjects.

p.s.:
I hope for you that it isn't too late for that, I doubt that Wing was
only the second one who reported the abuse.


agent fox mulder schrieb:
>
> In The NewsGroup I Will Start To Talk With small letters.There are you happy
> now maybe ill stop getting complaints
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------Whats
> Up??????And Dont Complain About My Capitals
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Jan 18, 2001, 6:29am

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AFM, this is what your provider writes in his use policy :
( http://home.com/support/aup/ )

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Jan 20, 2001, 11:12pm

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For the 2.2 browsers disabling all accellerations might help.


ueak raptorfox schrieb:
>
> This is really driving me insane......i cnat run ANY version of AW for ANY
> universe! it loads, and then when i try to do something simple like type a
> message, it quits without warning! same goes for the following:
> AW 3.0
> AW 2.2
> Vectorscape 2.2
>
> PLEASE help me......im addicted to AW and can not take this much
> longer......
>
> UEAK RaptorFox
> Public Relations, United States World Federation (USWF)
> raptorfox at uswf-aw.com
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Jan 27, 2001, 9:58am

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This is the community group, a community member asks other community
members for help


builderz schrieb:
>
> What does this have to do with Active Worlds, JohnF?
>
> -Builderz
>
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Feb 3, 2001, 1:54pm

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This isn't a virus, it's a new worm called "col clink.nntp" and there IS
a cure :
Don't click it, and if you accidentially did, don't follow its advices.
Don't reply if you received it.

This worm does not harm your computer but it tries in a not too
intelligent way to flood the web with junk.
If you follow its advices it will send itself to everyone in your adress
book.



col klink schrieb:
>
> I received this message
>
> NEW VIRUS NO CURE!!!!!!!!!
>
> Please, send this information to every
> person in your address book.
....
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Feb 3, 2001, 7:45pm

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maybe interesting for you : http://www.worldforge.org

sw chris schrieb:
>
> Here's a random thought:
>
> You know if AW is just not good enough for you guys, why don't you make your
> own 3-d universe and engine?
>
> I would have started on such a venture several months ago, but alas, I can't
> program yet. :)
>
> Everyone here knows enough about AW and its shortcomings that an AW 2.0
> could be created using all new code that would have everything AW didn't.
>
> Discussion?
>
> SW Chris
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Feb 9, 2001, 7:52pm

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hm - I have definitely more trouble with cleaning floors ;)

35850 schrieb:
>
> ... Besides, it's all relative;
> programming is a difficult field compared to, for example, cleaning floors,
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Feb 9, 2001, 8:09pm

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As far as I'm informed Andras votes for a really open AW newsgroup -
including tourists.

His post was just an analogy, a logical reply

rolu schrieb:
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Feb 9, 2001, 8:33pm

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ananas 317278 - remove

Not an easy decision as I think the longer-time readers know how to deal
with a creep like eep - but he freaks out too many who do not yet know
how to handle him.
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Feb 9, 2001, 8:46pm

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I have to disagree - the age of all AW citizens is within a wide range,
all AW citizens are able to read and post here, a serious question of a
10 years old is worth as much as a serious question of a mature person
I think some of the 10 years old children in AW are smart enough in
computer things to help even mature people - or was the word
"especially"? *g

> ... This
> newsgroup is a mature one (at least I'd like to think) and it isn't and
> never will be the place for 10 year olds who go buck wild at a hint of
> wittiness or something insulting.
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Feb 9, 2001, 9:33pm

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317278 ananas - RESTART the vote !!!

sniff - why can't I use <b>RESTART</b> :(

I should think about enabling HTML posts *grin*
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Feb 10, 2001, 7:29pm

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What about testing if cancelling works after having checked if posting
works?
Not a problem as long as no one replied to them (just an idea)

rolu schrieb:
>
> Where did the test ng go? There was one here over a year ago.
>
> rolu
>
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threads become outdated for most of us I bet

nova schrieb:
>
> hmm well unless and untill they put a test ng here why not just keep one
> single thread for test untill there is a test ng if there ever is one?
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I think the problem is that he entered "as a gay" and not "as a
citizen".

The question "are gays allowed here" sounds implicite like "may I
talk/act gay here". I would never have ejected him because of this
question but I at least would have monitored him in a G rated world.

If I entered a world asking "are germans allowed here" that would mean
that I want to enter "as a german" and not as a citizen of AW - my
question would have a reason. If someone would come into a world with
this question I would not eject him but monitor him, maybe keep the
mouse cursor above the eject button at least for a while.

Some of the words quoted from the chat were really discriminating (and
sounded very dumb) but I think there actually was a provokation in the
way he entered, similar to the idiots coming into worlds and the first
line they say contains "a/s/l" or "is one of you female".

So I decided for me to see him as an idiot not for beeing gay but for
the way he entered the worlds. This is not a final decision - just an
impression.

Ananas

p.s.: Not to be misunderstood : I would have thought the same if he
would have entered the world with the words "are heteros allowed here"

crazy glue il schrieb:
>
> I was going through the NGs and I saw one in the Worldbuilders called
> "Ejection of homosexuals from worlds..."And what I saw was rather
> disturbing.
> I don't know if anyone else agrees, but that is just wrong.
> He didn't provoke them. Did he?
> He asked a simple question and then he was attacked ( couldn't think of a
> better word )by a GK at Awgate.
> I think that it is wrong just to eject people because of their sexual
> preference. And I'm tired of seeing them "bashed" when most of them are
> really nice people and don't advance on the same sex ( Unless the other is
> of the same sexuality)
> Well I could go on for a long time, but I gotta go do something.
> And yes this IS a community topic. Because it has to deal with AW.
>
> --
> We all have atleast ONE crazything in us >:]
> ~Johnathon a.k.a CrAzY gLuE IL
> crazyglue3 at hotmail.com
> Idiots are plentiful these days, what would we do without them?
> Geniuses are rare, but what would it be like without them?
> That's is the question.
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Feb 11, 2001, 6:20am

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I would not have ejected but monitored him because of his weird way of
starting his conversation. That has nothing to do with his beeing gay.
If you read my previous reply again you will see that this is what I
wrote.
I do not defend the people who argued against him and ejected him - but
he should think over his strategy. I do not visit worlds where any GROUP
of people isn't allowed (one exception exists - I have an allergy
against fascists).
But I think individuals acting stupid have to expect stupid reactions,
and that was what happened (I'm sure you've read the original incident
now that crazy glue il referred to).

I am aware of the problems that gay people have - not only in many but
in most real life countries, including US and germany. Even if it isn't
allowed by law gay people are discriminated.


bille schrieb:
>
> I think you should reconcider your conclution here, Ananas...
>
> Unfotunately we live in a sick world where minorities are not accepted. In many
> real life countries, and in several social aspects as well, it's not legal being
> gay, or gay people are not accepted. Gay people are fired from their job, gay
> people are humiliated, some times even physically wounded or worse... How can
> you say that's the same for i.e. the Germans or any other nationality?
>
> How would you know that the person asking if gays were allowed, was not in one
> of those real life countries? Or had mad experience from other chat systems? In
> AW's gay town, Pink Village, we have residents that are worried to death to
> leave any clue of their real life identity, because of awaiting punishments if
> anyone in their real life got to know about their sexual orientation. This is
> all worth crying for :(
>
> So... you shouldn't take it for granted that a person asking such a question has
> anything concerning sex in mind at all, but rather refers to the political and
> social sickness of our real world. And, by ejecting him without any more
> questions, well... hooray for the human nature...
>
> I don't know the story you referred to, and of course I don't see anything wrong
> in redirecting a person, but only if the person *does* something wrong, or asks
> for your suggestion. I don't see how anyone could have any right to eject
> someone because of their sexual preferences, as long as they don't start sex
> talking - but that has absolutely nothing to do with being gay or not...
>
> Bille
>
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You're right and wrong - off course kids have to know about things that
happen in R/L and about all kinds of people in R/L.
But some informations need to be moderated, discussed on child level.
And as you can easily see in the chat protocol (falsified or not), this
is not what happened after the discussion started.

Some children are easy to influence - and what makes you think they can
only be influenced by the tolerant adults? Discussions like that - those
without intelligent arguments and full of negative emotions and
sometimes even hate - can influence children as well as intelligent
informations.

I do not have children, but if I had I would prefer to explain some
important things before they have contact to people who just argue
emotion-based. There are so many intolerant people everywhere in the
world and I think the reason is that parents do not influence the kids
to be tolerant. The best thing that happened to me is to have a mother
like mine who used much time on my social education. Many mothers don't
take this time so the risk is high that children learn their social
skills in places with a negative atmosphere - and these social skills do
sure not include tolerance. This risk is even higher for todays computer
kids - I bet for many the computer is a parent replacement, and sure not
a good one.

35850 schrieb:
>
> Some absurd people think that children shouldn't be exposed to the realities
> of the world, simply because those realities may not fit with the "perfect"
> picture that people like to try to pretend to exist in. Basically, people
> think you'll corrupt a child by allowing him/her to see the world for what
> it really is. Ludicrous, if you ask me. But, none the less, people will
> fight to the death on the grounds that you shouldn't say "inappropriate
> things," whatever that is.
>
> Hell, if the kid can handle the software, he should also be relatively
> equiped to handle his own reality.
>
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