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Jun 11, 2003, 2:50pm

I understand, but therein also lies another advantage to text-based
communication. If you're so angry or frustrated that you just can't
think straight, you can always just stand up and step away from the
keyboard until you calm down.

My point, as far as duo is concerned, is that he really has no room to
complaining about being disciplined for something that he could have
easily prevented himself from doing. Based on his posts here, he sounds
like he knows how to control himself, so it shouldn't be that hard for
him to control himself in chat either.

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Goober King
Another form of control
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Jun 3, 2003, 9:28pm

Well, sorta. We (UTN) just had a "I link you, you link me" deal with
them, so they had our link on their homepage and we had a link to them
on our Utilities page. So, I guess you could say we were helping with
the advertising. :)

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Goober King
Show him your link, and he'll show you his.
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Jun 7, 2003, 3:28am

*smacks Brock* How could the project have failed if it hasn't even been
released yet?! From the looks of things NewAW is still in the Alpha
stage, for COB's sake! Have some patience, will ya? :P

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Grasshopper learn the hard way
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Jun 11, 2003, 6:16pm

I think what CarolAnn and the others are trying to say is that you could
have very easily posed the question of "What about adults who are more
immature than children?" without having to resort to a real example in
such extensive detail. By ranting and raving about this one "loser",
you've changed the topic from immature adults to a veiled accusation
towards a specific person, which, as Carolann pointed out, is in and of
itself pretty immature.

If you want to discuss topics in here and actually be understood, Bruce,
you're going to have to learn to leave your personal baggage at the door.

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Goober King
Federal baggage screener
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

Jun 12, 2003, 9:44am

Good job, Bruce. You managed to totally miss my point.

For those of you who weren't paying attention, my point was that you
didn't even have to bring up *anything* about the Whitestar situation.
You could have easily discussed the topic without any mention of your
personal experience. But the fact that you did changed the topic of the
post, whether you meant to or not, from immature adults to Whitestar
himself.

I don't recall anyone asking for proof. We're all well aware that adults
can be just as immature as kids, so your example doesn't add anything to
the discussion, except to demonstrate that you have a lot of personal
issues with Whitestar that you need to resolve *outside* of these NGs.

And what does being a journalist have to do with anything? I understood
your point just fine: There are immature adults in the world. Now, can
you understand mine? :P

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Goober King
Reading between the lines
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Jun 13, 2003, 10:03am

The problem with moral relativism is that if everyone were to follow it,
the world would be a place of total chaos. Just think: If someone
started a killing spree against gays or blacks or abortionists or any of
the other persecuted groups, using the excuse that they are morally
justified in ridding the world of these people, then, in a morally
relative world, no one could do anything to stop that person. Since he
believes that he is morally just in his actions, that must mean it's ok,
right? :P

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Not everything is relative
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Jun 17, 2003, 9:41am

And therein lies the problem. To the moral absolutist, there is no such
thing as being "more morally right or wrong". You're either morally
right, or you're morally wrong, end of story.

Continuing with your Iraq example, Saddam killed Iraqis to prevent
uprisings and maintain his leadership position. Saddam was definitely a
relativist, as he felt he was morally justified in maintaining his grip
on the country. Bush also subscribes to a form of moral relativism, as
he felt justified in getting rid of Saddam by any means necessary,
including war. However, the rest of the world seems to subscribe to a
more absolutist policy, as they were both against Saddam's actions and
the war.

Being a moral relativist or absolutist is fine when all you do is
contemplate moral theory. But when it comes down to brass tacks and you
have to act on your beliefs, there doesn't seem to be any right or wrong
answer and this argument will continue for ages.

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Goober King
Absolutely relative
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Jun 14, 2003, 11:23pm

Somehow, I think Andras' NGs come in second. :P

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Goober King
Distant third
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Jun 14, 2003, 7:39pm

Ignore Bowen. He's apparently more interested in nitpicking than helping. :P

You can download Sun's Java ONE Studio with Java 1.4.1 here:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/download.html

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Goober King
Smacks Bowen with his helping hand
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Jun 14, 2003, 8:31pm

There's no such thing as a WYSIWYG editor for Java, unless you're
planning on making GUI applications. I think by "build" he means
"compile", since he probably never found a C compiler.

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Goober King
Building for the future
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Jun 18, 2003, 10:36am

Yea, JBuilder is free if you give them 3,500 dollar bills first. :P

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Goober King
Free, for a price
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

Jun 16, 2003, 1:52pm

Actually, that's exactly the problem. SW City is a huge, sprawling city
that's been developing for years, and I'm willing to bet even Comit and
Co. don't remember half of what's in the town. So moving it to another
world, like AWTeen or WildAW would prove to be near impossible.

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Goober King
Larger than life
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

Jun 17, 2003, 8:26pm

Ugh. NewAW is *not* supposed to replace AW! It's a totally different
world from AW, and simply offers people another alternative.

I'm sure Rick and Co. will get around to the Feature Poll after they get
this annoying 3.4 thing out of the way. :P

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Goober King
Going out of his way
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Jun 20, 2003, 2:37pm

I must say, Rick, your sense of logic has always left a lot to be desired.

What does building age have to do with anything? Last I checked, 3.4
features aren't retroactive. You won't see Grover's garden suddenly
spinning out of control or LittleBull's community center buried under
miles of terrain.

If teenagers can handle the responsibility of special commands without
causing a ruckus, why can't the relatively more mature citizens of AW be
trusted to do the same?

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Goober King
A matter of trust
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

Jun 17, 2003, 6:43pm

I believe what he's referring to is using Preston in global mode to
color your chat text, similar to how it's done in NewAW. What it does
is, when you type in something in the chat window, the bot picks it up
and broadcasts it to the entire world like an Immigration Officer
message, using whatever color you choose.

I could be wrong though. I never did get French. ;P

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Goober King
And if you complain, you didn't get the joke. :P
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

Jun 24, 2003, 9:23am

hehe Looks like Builderz will have to add a Testimonials section to his
site. ;)

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Goober King
Testify!
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Jun 24, 2003, 6:38pm

Hmm... does that mean if I plug AWNews.org in here, I'll see all the
*other* news sites come out of hiding?

Oh wait... there *aren't* any! :P

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Goober King
Alone in the crowd
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Jul 18, 2003, 1:29am

Somehow I get the impression you were "angry at the world" long before
you encountered philosophy. Either that, or you just couldn't understand
it, so you got angry at it instead. ;)

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Goober King
Doing the existential boogie
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Jul 2, 2003, 1:50pm

emmm, ORB and BRO are two different people...

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Goober King
Split personality
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Jul 4, 2003, 3:45pm

That's Hamster for ya. Sometimes I worry that he may be treating AW as a
little *too* real...

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Goober King
A little too real
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Jul 4, 2003, 9:27pm

Err, what town in AWTeen?

And you're right, Light, we all do *sometimes*. It's when you do it
*all* the time that it becomes worrisome...

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Goober King
Taking a break from doing nothing
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Jul 8, 2003, 1:14pm

Sorta like the "If you don't like what I post, then don't read it!"
policy some people in here follow, eh? :P

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Goober King
Can't get no respect
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Jul 7, 2003, 3:13pm

Err, Shred? I trust you realize that by nit-picking over Light Form's
post, you're engaging in exactly the same behavior you were raging
against just a few posts back, right? If this is supposed to be some
huge ironic joke, I must say I don't get it.

However, I will agree that the NGs here leave a lot to be desired. These
NGs should be a place where people can openly discuss whatever topics
they want to, without having to worry about some anal-retentive geek
with a superiority complex (*cough*) jumping all over them for having a
few letters out of place. But, for whatever reason, the more vocal of
the AW "big dogs" that reside here seem to be of the mentality that this
is their "yard", and heaven forefend if any of the "little dogs" try to
get a word in edgewise.

As Shred pointed out, this thread is the perfect example. Granted,
Richard's post may have been a tad melodramatic, but all that needed to
be said was "Don't worry about what other people think and help the
community for the sake of helping, not for appreciation." Instead, some
of the NG inhabitants (some of whom I thought had more sense than to
engage in behavior like this, but apparently not) decided to mock him,
thereby proving Richard's original point for posting in the first place.
Good job! :P

Perhaps it's simply a side-effect of these NGs being associated with a
chat environment. Since people don't think they have the time to stop
and think before they say something in chat, they stand to reason that
you can't do that here in the NGs either. Or it could be that since they
don't have to interact with NG dwellers in "real time", they feel
they're free to act however they want. Whatever the case may be, it's an
unfortunate state of things that can be easily rectified. As corny as it
may sound, perhaps if people used just a dash of heart along with their
brain when they posted, this place could finally fulfill its true
purpose as a place of civilized discussion.

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Goober King
Thinking with his stomach
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Jul 7, 2003, 5:43pm

Apparently. Whenever someone feels the need to split up a person's post
into chunks and argue each paragraph/sentence/whatever individually, to
me that's nit-picking (i.e. arguing over the definition of a xenophobe
has nothing to do with Richard's original plight). Posts should not be
taken in bits and pieces, but as a whole (unless the person you're
replying to specifically addresses separate topics in the same post, of
course), otherwise you run the risk of missing the main point of the
original post entirely, something that happens way too often in here. :P

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Goober King
Missing: Point - If found, email at:
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Jul 8, 2003, 12:14am

Good for him. That doesn't mean you have to continue the practice. I'm
assuming that when you wrote your post, you were wanting to use various
means to convey one singular point. But rather than discuss that main
point, LF decided to attack each individual route you took to get to
your point, thereby diluting your original message and clouding the issue.

Now, you could have easily steered the conversation back on course by
consolidating all of his meandering points into one cohesive rebuttal.
But instead, you chose to attack each of his points that were attacking
each of you points, which wound up sidetracking the entire discussion
even further.

This is not how it works in a real-time conversation, so it shouldn't be
any different here. People's posts should be taken at face value, rather
than trying to read between the lines and chop the discussion all to
hell. This is how flame wars get started, and pretty soon, everyone
forgets what the original topic was in the first place.

[View Quote] > Erm, Goob... it wasn't me who decided to split up the posts and start
> going into a battle of semantics. And in defense of LF, he *did* address
> different parts of my post when he split it.
>

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Goober King
Tango for two
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Jul 8, 2003, 9:11am

[View Quote] Indeed. But, thankfully, the real world allows its members to change if
they so desire. :)

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Goober King
Breaking the winds of change
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Jul 8, 2003, 9:12am

Perhaps some advertising is in order. It's hard to show appreciation for
something that we know nothing about...

[View Quote] > I know im no where near xelag's legal but as you see he gets appreshiation
> id maybe like some small feed back
>
>

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Goober King
Guilt by appreciation
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Jul 8, 2003, 9:04am

As I've experienced on numerous occasions, TEAMWORK and EFFORT do not
come naturally to most of the people in this NG. :P

[View Quote] > Hi everyone:
>
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Goober King
An exercise in futility
awnews at awnews.org

Jul 8, 2003, 5:25pm

That's all well and good, but you also need to tell them *why* the
program is even worth talking about. Remember, some of these outfits
have already done segments/articles on There.com and Second Life. You
need to let them know why AW is different from (and better than) these
other programs. And don't just limit your description to technical
features, since AW's technology really isn't all that new. Instead, also
include some examples of what has already been accomplished with it
(i.e. games like Mutation and AWRPG, communities like AWTeen and A!!CT,
etc.).

Oh, and mentioning that the software has been around for over 8 years
wouldn't hurt either, since some places seem to think interactive VR
never existed until Linden Labs showed up. :P

[View Quote] > Hi, just a few suggestions on how you can do your part to help get the word
> out about AW.
> A few of these were suggested in other threads, but were lost because of the
> string of off topic posts applied to that thread.
> Suggestion #1) Many of us have Cable TV or dish Tv and on the offering of
> channels you'll find such super stations such as Tech TV and ZDTV (on our
> local cable tv company, these stations are carried on a educational channel
> allocated to our local High School, But I also see these stations offered as
> primary stations on other cable systems). These stations carry programs
> related to computer technology and software and are available practically
> world-wide. If some of us make contact with these super stations and tell
> them about the Active Worlds program, they very well could do s segment on
> the program, providing free advertising for AW.
> Suggestion #2) There are many magazines out there related to computers and
> gaming. PC Magazine, PC World and Computing gaming World Magazines are out
> there and have columns where the public can write in. Sending a letter to
> one of their columns saying " I just found this really cool virtual 3d chat
> program called www.activeworlds.com, it is one of the coolest things I have
> ever seen on the web...blah.... blah...blah.
> These suggestions are a few ways of getting AW free publicty, on stations
> and magazines most frequented by people who use a PC and enjoy using the
> technology that AW is made of and could very well increase the publics'
> awareness that AW does exsist.
> Just remember, how many times you've read in these newsgroups how people
> found AW by doing web searches looking for new chat programs or 3d related
> programs. Imagine the increase if we can get a publication to do an article
> on a world-wide satalite TV station, or a magazine related to computer and
> 3D gaming technology.
> MrBruce
>
>

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Goober King
Spreading the word like butter
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Jul 10, 2003, 3:23pm

That could be theoretically possible, but I'd have to take a day off of
work in order to make it up there at a reasonable hour. (Unless ENZO and
Co. feel like coming into the office on a Saturday. :D) It would also
have to be sometime in August, since I'm going to be out sailing to NYC
for the entire last week in July.

But speaking of the council idea, whatever happened to that meeting you
were planning to set up in your server chat room?

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Goober King
Man with the plan
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