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Jun 11, 2003, 3:15pm

Regarding that post made by The Lady, I know it's tough to police children
in AW and all, but what happens when supposed grown mature adults act worse
then the kids?
I won't mention any names here, but it's a shame to see a 40+ year old
adult, acting more immature than most teenagers! What example is this adult
setting not only for AW's youth, but for his very own daughter?
The culprit will know who HE is just by reading this post, but for a grown
man to go around disgusing himself as his daughter by changing his cit name
to hers and adding a period to the end of the name and doing this for the
sole purpose to bash and bad mouth a world and its owner, is just too much!
Or to log in as a tourist named "The One" and hang out at the AW gate and
for hours say don't go to a particular world because.............blah blah
blah....
But the real shocker was when this ADULT changes his cit name to MrBruce
Sucks, when it didn't take me long to call AW and have this jerks cit
disabled!
Of course he calls AW and they give him his cit back, 4 hours later!
Or when this adult goes to AWTeen and tries to form a Gang (comprised of
teenagers) to go and vandalize a world, by finding flaws in its GZ or
deleting tourist builds!
What kind of example does this adult set not only for AW Inc and it's
on-line youth, but his very own daughter in real life! A Grown man going
around persuading kids to do what is wrong!
I don't go around AW bothering other people and I surely do not need this
piss poor example of a grown DEVORCED man, bothering me and ruining AW's
reputation, I use the word devorced loudly here, because obviously his wife
was a victum of his childish flaws and left him.
My message to this immature loser is this, you're not hurting me mister!
Your hurting the image of AW and you're setting a very bad example for your
teenage daughter and impersonating her and hiding behind her name and stupid
tourist names to bash a world and it's owner, makes every one you try to
stand for look bad!
You know who you are I wont use your name here like you did mine in your
childish post stating I will close my world.....do yourself and anyone you
really care for a favor....GROW UP and get A LIFE!
MrBruce

Jun 11, 2003, 3:26pm

Why do you ALWAYS create your own threads.... do you crave attention THAT
much?

- Mark

Jun 11, 2003, 3:37pm

NO pay closer attention, my post is not exactly on the same subjuct as The
Lady's. Please READ things more closely before you respond :P
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Jun 11, 2003, 4:06pm

Because his post really should be under a different thread-but also under a
different heading. He is obviously using it as an excuse to air his own
grievances, not really to add to the, umm, well....interesting post he
pretends to speak to. But what an act to want to follow, whatever it's
supposed to be saying.

Look Mr. Bruce, for the people who are already familiar with your unrelated
subject, your problem, you really don't need to air it here with nuances
like "You know who you are" and " "teen-aged daughter"-your friends already
know what you're talking about and have an opinion of their own. But for the
rest of us....it does sound a bit like a private argument that you are
taking the opportunity to carry into the newsgroups out of vengeance. If you
would try to look at it objectively, you would see it sounds childish and
not really put here for the purpose of our enlightenment. If it is a sincere
warning, your way of presenting it is put in such a way as to detract from
that. But for my own education, you say this guy is DIVORCED so that makes
him the obvious bad guy in the marriage, what marital status does his wife
have? Just curious about how that DIVORCE thing works.

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Jun 11, 2003, 5:07pm

It has always been my belief that we should have consequences in place for
those who commit serious wrong doings. Community service oriented
consequences.

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Jun 11, 2003, 5:22pm

I did and I still think its for the same bloody thread! And if you can't
stop Rossy (who cooincidently very rarley comes to AWTeen but I can imagine
why you are having a go at AWTeen being the round up centre cause it kicks
your worlds arses all over the place) from using a simple bloody registery
exploit its time to give up.

- Mark

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Jun 11, 2003, 5:23pm

Oh yes absolutly...agree.... we should go around to their homes, and force
vandalisers etc in AW to produce community centres and such...

- Mark

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Jun 11, 2003, 5:31pm

How much community service would be given on the crime of wasting everyone's
time on the NG's?

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Jun 11, 2003, 5:31pm

What community service oriented consequences would you sugest? And just how
would you inforce it?

Imagine




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Jun 11, 2003, 5:44pm

Its not Rossy and Rossy is not a 40+ year old adult, my post is about ADULTS
who act like kids, The Lady's post was generally about KIDS in aw.
MrBruce
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Jun 11, 2003, 6:02pm

I can not believe a bunch of educated adults missed the point here and make
it so people have to post 17Gb posts to make a point clear here, it was a
pun, like hello wake up, its not just kids here that are trouble makers,
it's a jerk who is 40 something years old acting worse than the kids talked
about in The Lady's NG post, my point is, in english for you all to
understand is if you think what the kids are doing in AW is shocking...what
about a grown adult who is worse. My point about him being DEVORCED is I bet
if his wife was in AW she'd say "I agree that's why I left the guy".
As for what I post here, no one forces you all to read anything and by
complaining about posts here is the same as saying someone forced you at gun
point to read stupid posts like mine or anyones for that matter.
And as i mentioned in my post that (ok it was regarding personal attacks
against me and A!!CT) fine your right...but it makes better since to speak
about my personal belongings rather then post about something that does not
belong to me. But as a whole this jerk is giving AW the bad image here not
me, not A!!CT and thats my...... duh.....point....or did i speak spanish
when I typed it and no one understands.
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Jun 11, 2003, 6:07pm

We know who is a big trouble maker 2 ;) *looks towards Bruce who always
seems to be at the centre of every woe of the world*

I doubt 17GB, is the server even that big :o

- Mark

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Jun 11, 2003, 6:16pm

I think what CarolAnn and the others are trying to say is that you could
have very easily posed the question of "What about adults who are more
immature than children?" without having to resort to a real example in
such extensive detail. By ranting and raving about this one "loser",
you've changed the topic from immature adults to a veiled accusation
towards a specific person, which, as Carolann pointed out, is in and of
itself pretty immature.

If you want to discuss topics in here and actually be understood, Bruce,
you're going to have to learn to leave your personal baggage at the door.

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Goober King
Federal baggage screener
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

Jun 11, 2003, 6:16pm

Respectfully, this doesn't belong in the newsgroups with or without a name
attached.

Ryan

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Jun 11, 2003, 6:26pm

Like in the case of Whitestar cit # 350723 (who IS the subject of this post)
who hides behind the name Digigurl.(< note the period at the end) and
disgraces his daughter Digigurl by mascrading as her and goes around
claiming to be her and spreading bad trash, or logging as a tourist at the
AWgate to do the same, or changes his name to MrBruce Sucks or going to
AWTeen and gathering a group of kids together and influences them to go to a
world and destroy it. I believe that person like this is classified as a
terrorist and and a bad influence should be banned, because his conduct
actually hurts AW.
The Lady's post as I understand it, was about kids in AW having an impact on
adults, my post is about the impact of an adult on children in AW.
The proof is there, many of our attackers admitted to me they did it because
the above named person suggested it and to meet his approval those kids did
just what he asked of them!
Does this adult meet your approval? he doesn't meet mine, maybe it's me now,
but who will it be next, or who else is it he's doing this too?
MrBruce
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Jun 11, 2003, 6:46pm

I've thought about that. There have been times when, for one reason or
another, I've had trouble maintaining being involved in community oriented
things myself. And I've wondered whether the things I think would help me
would also help someone who attempts to destroy the community. I'm not sure
what the answer is to that question. Maybe it is something similar to what
they did to me after I couldn't get a job in Active Worlds doing anything
because of the problem with my bad reputation. They gave me a lot of
responsibility somewhere else, sole responsibility, not shared
responsibility. There's a big difference. When you have sole
responsibility of something, it gives you much more hope in eventually being
included and accepted by peers that already have shown leadership
capabilities; whereas, shared responsibility still leaves some doubt within
you. Also, It all boils down to what you think of yourself. If you are
solely responsible for your job, there's absolutely no doubt when you've
accomplished it or if it becomes very successful that you did it yourself.
Take that to the next step, when you know you've accomplished something on
your own, what you think of yourself is much more positive than if the
responsibility was shared. The important thing to remember is if this is
done, it must be in a setting where the leader is very trustworthy. Usually
people that have a problem wrecking a community and are not able to feel
included have a very big problem in putting their full trust in leaders,
either because they've been treated unfairly by them in the past, felt put
in compromising situations, or even abused. That leader also must have
flexibility in the ability to allow the troubled person to experiment with
the things that best help them to get their job done. I'm very fortunate in
that the last job I had, no one came and told me I couldn't do this or that
when it came down to how I felt I could best get the job done. Nor was the
leader someone that smashed the law down over our heads. Also, the leader
was vey trustworthy, just right for the job. Regarding negative behaviors
that might arise, there are craftier ways to divert them other than direct
confrontation. Always maintaining positiveness and friendliness upfront,
allowing flexibility to experiment with different ways in getting the job
done, negative behaviors diverted in indirect ways might even help to turn
the punishment into a regular job. The ultimate goal for them is inclusion
and feeling accepted. Then hopefully, the negative behaviors will cease.

Regarding enforcing it, I have no really good answers that anyone wants to
hear. I used to work for someone when I was younger, that I realize now had
the most wisdom of anyone I'll probably ever meet. Whenever there would be
a new law that affected the business we were in, he'd always say, "It's
probably because someone found a way to abuse the privilege."
Unfortunately, as much as we love our freedom of speech, freedom to change
screen names, etc., it also gives way for us to use that privilege in an
abusive way, unmoral way, a way of avoiding responsibility for our actions,
generally..........in a way to fool someone, the ones we love, the ones we
dislike, those we want to hurt, those we want to get revenge on. But what
we must remember about this online community, is there is a double whammy
involved when we do that. There are always going to be those that have the
ability to watch these actions (by hacking, etc) and use them as evil means.
If we are to survive and flourish as a community, BOTH of these realities
must be taken into consideration, because, unfortunately, if it is not, what
the community is really saying is, "Go ahead evil, you are allowed to rule
this place I love." And what the company is really saying is, "Go ahead
evil, we'll allow you to wreck our business." As a community, WE must
decide the balance.

BTW, I see AW banning tourists as a way of protection to its citizens. But,
was that going too far?

Whatever decision is made regarding consequences for severe actions, the
community should be given some options, then ability to vote.

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Jun 11, 2003, 7:50pm

> Like in the case of Whitestar cit # 350723 (who IS the subject of this
> post)

You just admitted there that you were personalising this issue. I don't
really think it's appropriate to do that in this case.

Don't take this the wrong way but A!!CT seems to make a lot of enemies.
Perhaps you should consider the possibility that you are doing something
to provoke the troublemakers
..
> The Lady's post as I understand it, was about kids in AW having an
> impact on adults, my post is about the impact of an adult on children
> in AW.

Actually I think "Persuasion of Children" means adults persuading
children to cause trouble (so your post was never really a different
subject).

> The proof is there, many of our attackers admitted to me they
> did it because the above named person suggested it and to meet his
> approval those kids did just what he asked of them!

If the kids want to meet the approval of a troublemaking citizen who can
give them no real reward then they obviously want to cause trouble in the
first place. That just provided them with an oppertunity.

Jun 11, 2003, 7:55pm

Ok I could have named this thread "Persuasion of Children?...What about
Persuasion of Adults?" But figured that heading was too long and I tried to
keep it short.
I am no journalist, and dont claim to be one, (if I was I'd be working for
the New York times or Time magazine.
You all took this as MYpersonal baggage, again to be a good journalist, you
need to use your head and try to follow what someone is actually saying in a
post, I could give a rats ass about MrBruce or A!!CT, its AW I'm concerned
about and how the influence of some adults here in AW have on kids to ruin
AW and how it IS ruining AW, (not MrBruce, not A!!CT) I do realise that
without either AW will still be here tomorrow. I only used my name as an
example of proof, like the woman says "if this is happening present proof it
is happening" That I did, but its not me the guy is hurting with his conduct
its AW and if hes doing this to me, who else is he personally doing this to?
And his conduct at the AWgate hiding as a tourist to throw personal attacks
not only proves he's a coward, but a very poor example to set on new comers
at the AWGate, as to what kind of people are allowed here. You want this
kind of man around your kids as a leader? Or teaching them how to conduct
themselves? Think about it and call me in the morning.
MrBruce
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Jun 11, 2003, 8:15pm

But with all the problems already present in AW, do we need an adult to go
around making it worse by going to the kids in AW and saying "hey go to such
a such world and delete this or do that"?
Trust me if the guy had a job as a teacher in a school, or was employed by a
daycare center, he'd surely be fired on the spot for this kind of conduct!
Kids have enough violence and corruption in their lives without a grown man
influening them to do more! (In the USA thats considered child abuse!)
Lastly, I presented not only proof, examples of proof, but I finally made
you all aware who the guilty culprit is by posting his idenity, so you can
all watch out for him and just so you all know, when I called AW Inc via the
telephone and they seen the name that was on his cit, they had the proof
they needed and decided it was best to disable his cit. So the proof is
against him, he just doesn't know when to quit and grow up!
MrBruce
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Jun 12, 2003, 7:58am

There is a difference between using personal experience as a metaphor to
enforce your point, and over-using it so that the whole post just seems like
an attack, you'll appreciate.


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Jun 12, 2003, 8:01am

I am sure no one is condoning this guy's actions if thats what you are
thinking.


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Jun 12, 2003, 9:44am

Good job, Bruce. You managed to totally miss my point.

For those of you who weren't paying attention, my point was that you
didn't even have to bring up *anything* about the Whitestar situation.
You could have easily discussed the topic without any mention of your
personal experience. But the fact that you did changed the topic of the
post, whether you meant to or not, from immature adults to Whitestar
himself.

I don't recall anyone asking for proof. We're all well aware that adults
can be just as immature as kids, so your example doesn't add anything to
the discussion, except to demonstrate that you have a lot of personal
issues with Whitestar that you need to resolve *outside* of these NGs.

And what does being a journalist have to do with anything? I understood
your point just fine: There are immature adults in the world. Now, can
you understand mine? :P

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Reading between the lines
awnews at awnews.org

Jun 12, 2003, 3:50pm

I believe it is DIVORCED
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Jun 12, 2003, 5:13pm

Sorry about that Goob, I guess since I was being telegrammed so much about
who it was and if I had proof, then I should make everyone aware who it is,
so everyone can watch out for him, I later decided to do so, he's been at
this for a while now, moderaters at the AWGate have sent me IP addresses of
a tourist who sits at the AWGate doing what I posted earlier, the IP sadly
matchs his IP which we have records of when he was a CT in one of my worlds,
he also got the surprise of his life when he logged into my world as a
tourist named "The One" shortly after AW disabled his cit and I snuck up on
him on an invisible avatar.
Defiance: "The ONe" = white
Defiance: u there? It's White's IP he's at 2n 35e IP:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
(Teleports to 2n 35e)
MrBruce: its ok the name will be different soon whitestar
MrBruce: no mrbruce sucks in A!!CT
"The One": jackass
(ejects "The One")
I wont post his IP address here, but it was a perfect match, to the one sent
to me for this trouble maker at the AWGate and hes been exsposed and needs
to get a life! Because it's not me hes hurting with his conduct.


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