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May 23, 2003, 1:38am

All this GK talk reminded me of something that really bugs me about PKs. My
experience with them over the years have been positive.

Except their lack of power!

It really burns me up. SW City has held dozens of events over the years,
but with all the attention brings trouble makers (especially being in a
public world). Granted, we call a PK, and everytime they're powerless to
help. Whether it be not able to eject (for some the PKs anyway) or not
being able to stop vandal (with bugged encroachable objects) and of course
BOT FLOODING. Well you can basically call the event as crashed after all
that. SW City's 4th birthday bash went to hell this year around cause of
this - after weeks of planning.

This is basically the reason why SWC doesn't hold many events, which is
shame for community health.

I know a good number of people that complain about PK abuse too, similar to
GKs. Though I think it's half due to PKs frustrations as they don't have
good enough tools to help them do their job fairly (hint hint AWI)...which
falls into AW's security development which has been mostly ignored for a
long time *ppw monitoring comes to mind*. Come on AWI, you need a good
community to grow, which is seriously being hindered by stuff like this.

- SW Comit

May 23, 2003, 1:50am

Meh you just need to know how to do it... My plan of attack...

Echelon appears
Echelon pops up target screens
Echelon fires 5 independantly targeted warp spheres
Echelon keeps firing
Echelon fades...
Mark goes for a vodka and orange with Skyzack

- Mark

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May 23, 2003, 2:56am

If your talking about bump warps, that really doesn't help in a community
area where you only own a fraction of the land. Besides, it only helps for
a limited time, useless against bots, only makes them "madder", and your
risk cross-fire.


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May 23, 2003, 3:33am

Might I add to my rant that even though we had all the evidence in the world
about the worse case trouble maker at our last event (hours of flooding,
vandel, extreme vulgarity), and that he had a past record with the PKs, very
little justice was served. He was back in Alphaworld the next day. It was
just like a slap on the wrist basically. Happens all the time, grr >_<

May 23, 2003, 7:00am

i still dont get how people would find doing shit like that fun. how low
must you have to be to get pleasure out of ruining things for others....

-SWE
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May 23, 2003, 3:05pm

yes but that gives the PK an excuse to blast em ;)

- Mark

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May 25, 2003, 7:48pm

I've never been able to figure it out, only that they must be people who
have very low self esteem, or self respect

J

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Jun 4, 2003, 11:37pm

And I'm banned from the universe from swearing a few times >:-P isn't it
funny how things work around here?

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Jun 5, 2003, 4:27am

It all depends on how you define 'few'.

If it was once or twice, you can argue that in previous past actions.
Persons had not been banned from the Universe... however....

If this once or twice was like 10 or 11 times at an AwInc world GZ then you
are liable for universe ejection under the content guidlines.

- Mark

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Jun 8, 2003, 11:24am

Doesn't matter how many times, if you don't get warnings it isn't fair. Also
it isn't fair if they don't show you what you did. For all I know, I
could've done nothing... I just said swearing because did do it a few times
(over the course of the 1 3/4 years I've been on AW). By few I meant 3-5
times. If I was banned for swearing, then it was not justified. Let's break
down the rule which most likely applies to my case (even though there is no
way to know), and possibly others to prove my point. I'll start by saying
that none of these are specific or straight forward enough to enforce
anything.

"Please do not engage in racial, religious, ethnic, or sexual slurs, lewd
comments, or generally disruptive behaviour in public areas." First off,
that is completely unspecific. There are no examples of things which apply.
It says "racial, religious, ethnic, or sexual slurs, lewd comments, or
generally disruptive behavior in public areas." It doesn't say "racial,
religious, ethnic, or sexual slurs SUCH AS calling someone a derrogitory
word." They should list them out (I didn't because I refuse to say them).
This part of the rule happens to be the most straightforward one, so most
people understand how to correctly comply; however, once I had to tell
someone that j.. was a racial slur, which is an example of why this part of
the rule is not specific enough. The next part of the rule simply says "lewd
comments." It doesn't say "lewd comments SUCH AS comments on reproductive
organs" and don't say lewd is straight forward, because even within the USA
what is considered obscene, vulgar, evil, and/or wicked is different in the
mind of each person (and many AW users are outside the US which makes the
differences greater). I don't even consider evil to exist. The most vague,
least specific statement is "disruptive behavior." It doesn't say
"disruptive behavior SUCH AS swearing." For all I know, disruptive behavior
could just be spamming and nothing else. It doesn't say what it is, and what
is considered disruptive varies from person to person as well as culture to
culture and sub-culture to sub-culture. Everything is relative. You might as
well tell a room full of high, middle, and low economical class people that
they have to give a lot of money to you, and expect nearly the same amount
from each person. Its absolutely stupid.

Second off, when writing rules, you should ALWAYS give a specific punishment
for each rule. That's how it is for laws, so thats the way it should be for
rules (and is in most cases). For all I know, lewd comments could be an
instant ban, while insults could NEVER result in a ban. They could all have
the same punishment for all I know, which is completely stupid because slurs
are clearly much more severe than shouting or simple disruption.

Third off, you have almost no idea what this can mean: "Activeworlds Inc. or
its associates reserve the right to enforce compliance with these
guidelines, which may include temporary ejection from the world." It isn't
specific at all. All you know is that you can be temporarily ejected. There
should be a table of punishments instead of a vague statement. There is
nothing in that even hints "if you violate these rules 10 or 11 times at an
AwInc world GZ then you are liable for universe ejection under the conduct
guidelines."

The content guidelines don't matter in this case, because that has to do
with builds, welcome messages, and other things like that. Those are
reasonably straight forward and specific, and its unfortunate that the
conduct guidlines are not the same.

Under the conduct guidelines of that page, I can have almost no idea what
could be against the rules, as well as almost no idea of what can happen to
me for violating them.

Definition of lewd (http://www.webster.com):

Main Entry: lewd
Pronunciation: 'lüd
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English lewed vulgar, from Old English l[AE]wede laical,
ignorant
Date: 14th century
1 obsolete : EVIL, WICKED
2 a : sexually unchaste or licentious b : OBSCENE, VULGAR
- lewd·ly adverb
- lewd·ness noun

Complete conduct guidelines
(http://www.activeworlds.com/community/conduct.asp):
"The following constitute the general rules of behaviour while visiting
Active Worlds in Public meeting areas (areas within 400 meters of ground
zero). Please read these thoroughly.
a.. Please do not insult other tourists or citizens by use of inflammatory
or offensive statements or images. We ask that you refrain from expressions
of bigotry, racism, hatred, or profanity. Please do not harass other users,
including verbal abuse or personal attacks.
b.. Please do not engage in racial, religious, ethnic, or sexual slurs,
lewd comments, or generally disruptive behaviour in public areas.
c.. Public meeting areas are not appropriate spaces for cyber-sexual
behaviour, sexual orientation discussions or activity.
d.. The use of all caps is considered shouting, please refrain from using
caps unless you are intending to shout. Please refrain from flooding
(continuous posting of repetitive text)as this can be annoying to users.
e.. Activeworlds Inc. or its associates reserve the right to enforce
compliance with these guidelines, which may include temporary ejection from
the world."

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Jun 9, 2003, 11:29am

This is nothing more than cheap entertainment.....LOL
Hows about just rolling with the flow instead of always bucking the system?
You'd be amazed how easy life really is.



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Jun 9, 2003, 4:37pm

You shouldn't be nasty, it isn't a good habit.
>:-P sorry, I'd rather not conform and not be a normal person (or user in
this case).
If life is easy, why live?
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Jun 9, 2003, 4:47pm

ME? NASTY? hardly kiddo. I don't get ejected.
oh and here's a warning for you to bank....."your gonna be ejected" sooner or later...i can tell....there are ya happy?

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Jun 10, 2003, 10:35am

"This is nothing more than cheap entertainment.....LOL" - Nasty thing to say

"Hows about just rolling with the flow instead of always bucking the system?
You'd be amazed how easy life really is." - Also nasty

"ME? NASTY? hardly kiddo. I don't get ejected." - Also a nasty thing to
say.

I was ejected for swearing, not being nasty like you are. All of those are
quite nasty things to say, and you clearly don't understand anything. I'm
almost 100% sure I was banned for swearing. If they banned for attacks and
nastiness of the boards, you'd be gone by now. Clearly you critisize me
because I question authority, because I don't conform 100%. Good luck
'trying' to change me (and that's a nasty thing to say right there >:-P).

"oh and here's a warning for you to bank....."your gonna be ejected"
sooner or later...i can tell....there are ya happy?" = another nasty way to
say something

No, I will stay away from public worlds, because I like to voice my opinion,
and it drives me crazy if I can't. If I want to hang out in a world with a
lot of people, I'll do it in A!!CT where they don't care if you voice your
opinion, and in fact start an intelligent conversation out of it instead of
dismissing it and telling you to go to AWDebate which is ALWAYS empty (and
thats nasty there too, but its the truth).

Ok, now I'm going to say something nasty >:-P. Please DO NOT take the time
to respond to my post if it is just going to be like the other ones. Making
nasty little posts that have no point and don't back up what they say in any
way shouldn't be posted. All it will do is result in arguements, dislike,
and other bad things.

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Jun 10, 2003, 12:13pm

ok here as nice as i can say...your a troublemaker.....:) you think swearing is cool just cause you have the right to.
You have very little respect for others but demand respect from others.
Now for the nasty stuff...
Have a nice day twit.
Leo :)

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Jun 11, 2003, 10:31am

"ok here as nice as i can say...your a troublemaker.....:) you think
swearing is cool just cause you have the right to."

Not really. I was banned from swearing every few months. I have high blood
pressure and I get angry very quickly, and it slips out.

"You have very little respect for others but demand respect from others."

True sometimes, but mostly I disrespect others when they disrespect me or
someone else. In fact, I even pointed out where I was disrespectful >:-P.

"Now for the nasty stuff...
Have a nice day twit.
Leo :)"

Nah, you did a better job before.

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Jun 11, 2003, 10:43am

Now see, I have a hard time believing in the whole "slipped out" theory.
In real world conversation, you can easily inadvertently say something
you didn't mean. But here in a text based environment, you actually have
to take time to type out what you want to say before hitting Enter. In
that amount of time, you could easily reconsider what it is you're
typing and change what you want to say. No one is going to fault you for
taking more than 2 seconds to come up with a response. :P

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Slipped out into the world
awnews at awnews.org

Jun 11, 2003, 11:57am

Yes, but just like in real life - sometimes you just don't care what you're
saying. If you are very angry, you can be swearing and just not care or
realise your doing it. The same thing can happen through any medium with
enough emotion.

I'm not sure if I explained that well, tell me if you don't understand what
I mean.


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Jun 11, 2003, 2:50pm

I understand, but therein also lies another advantage to text-based
communication. If you're so angry or frustrated that you just can't
think straight, you can always just stand up and step away from the
keyboard until you calm down.

My point, as far as duo is concerned, is that he really has no room to
complaining about being disciplined for something that he could have
easily prevented himself from doing. Based on his posts here, he sounds
like he knows how to control himself, so it shouldn't be that hard for
him to control himself in chat either.

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Goober King
Another form of control
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

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