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Sep 1, 2002, 6:42am

alessa faith <alessa at cox.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3d6e5a7c at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Does anyone know where I could find the following objects? A doghouse...
A
> pick-up truck... A van.... a
> leggie dog (like a doberman) avatar... a convertible car... a realistic
> police car...a 2 door car... and a 4 door car.. ok, sci fi has some
> cars...but they are all futuristic and more or less icky.. (boy can I
> dream... )
>
>

Hi Alessa,

Contact me (Count Dracula) I might have some of the stuff, atleast the cars.

Drac

Oct 2, 2002, 7:13pm

Sheesh, get a life LOL

Drac
>

Oct 4, 2002, 7:35pm

Yes good to post it here so all that did not find the bloody sign could get
the link :-)
I just think it is so pathetic; someone finds one sign with a link to a
pornsite in the enormous Alphaworld. I know they are against the rules* of
activeworlds, but really..If someone wants porn, it is extremely easy to
open a webbrowser and do a search, I bet every imbesill is able to find porn
on the web if he/she wants, as a matter of fact one usually ends up on a
porn site sooner or later whatever one is looking for.
I just think this is soooo overreacted, a hell of fuss over one link to a
crappy pornsite (a sign that probably most pople would not even find,
nevertheless give a f*** about)

* not sure how much one should care about the rules of a company that do not
follow their own rules.

Drac
linn <ironhead at digitalpassage.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3d9c2c28 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> actually I think this is a good place to post it PK's DON'T always
delete
> those signs even if you can find one that's online :-) this is just a
> lil thing parents should not allow any child to come to THIS NG I think
> past posts prove this
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Oct 29, 2002, 11:09pm

The american in this way is not meant in a negative way towards the people
of USA. We just here usually laugh at warnings like " objects might be
closer than appear" or " warning, this coffee is hot and might burn you". I
also guess you are aware of the fact that all kind of warnings more or less
come from USA. Unfortunatly this warning hysteria has spread to Europe now
also and espeacilly since EU came in the picture, all kind of warnings has
started to appear everywhere. I am aware of that they are there to protect
custoners , manufactureres etc, but to me they give an impression that
goverment thinks people are so bloody stupid that they cannot think for
themselves. Like there need to be huge ugly warning texts on cigarette boxes
these days, one can hardly see what brand they are, there cannot say light
on a cigarette anymore etc. On a lot of things there are warnings like "do
not eat",,sure I was going to eat the plastic my new cam corder was packed
into, duh.

I guess what I am trying to say is; by putting stupid warnings up
everywhere, it takes out the effect of warnings, people simply get fed up at
all kind of warnings and ignore reading them; the danger in this is that
some important warning might get neglected. When one open up a manual for a
car these days, there is about 48 pages out of 50 what you are not allowed
to do, when in old days there was 48 pages out of 50 how you could fix it.
There are warnings, do not stick your finger here and there, do not open
this and that, do not pour oil in your neighbours trashcan, polishing your
car with your cat can casue scratches....I do not know, has people become so
much more stupid these days or is people pretending to be stupid in hope to
be able to sue some company.

But once again, this was not against the "american" people in general, it
was more wondering and critizicing the rules and regulations of USA. Feel
free to refer to my country as the taxmans paradise, where ppl are taxed to
death. We have many other weird things here also, just a small country has
not such great influence globally, but USA is a big country with a lot of
power, so whatever weirdness get a footplace there tend to spread out
worldwide. Now some people are planning an USE (United States of Europe). I
really hope it will never come through, I feel EU is discusting enough. It
is a powerfull enoungh "authority" that is destroying the differences within
regions in Europe. We are all supposed to be alike, same rules same
warnings; yet we are so different. What is good for a fisherman in greece,
might not be good for a raindeer breeder in Lapland. There are a lot things
I could say about EU, but I can leave it up to you:) Often easier to see
weirdness from a bit of distance.

Drac

carolann <carolannh at charter.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3dbef0fc at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Oct 28, 2002, 12:36am

brock <Brock at iceflare.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3dbca6f9 at server1.Activeworlds.com...

> Letting tourists back in there, would just be like, well let's just get
rid
> of tourist restrictions all together, see my point?
>
> On the business side it's just not logical.
>
>
Yes! That is what should be done. Tourists should have access everywhere,
that way they could see the possibilities the software has. Tourists are
allowed in a few worlds at the moment, I do not think it give a wide enough
picture to anyone.
What AW should do is make becomming a citizen so much more attractaive that
ppl would be willing to upgrade to citizens from tourists. Maybe some
nagging irritating banners for tourists (which could bring money for AW),
limited features etc, but I just strongly feel that banning sucks.
These days if I want to show someone my worlds, I have to invite them to my
house and have them visit with my PC and my account, instead of just sending
an e-mail with a link to activeworlds.
So as I see it banning tourists are not at all logic from the business point
of view, and I feel sad seeing aw making suicide with bad marketing, while
the program could be something great and succesfull.

Drac

Nov 2, 2002, 9:15pm

I am a person who has none interest in Cy awards. But now I have read about
100 postings about you accusing of something wrong has happened, 100
requaests to you to tell WHAT has been done wrong, so how about finally
telling us who has not followed the CYs and let us judge for ourselves? It
is getting boring to read everalsting posts you know-what?-you know
it-What?-I know you know-so tell me what?.

Drac

Nov 5, 2002, 4:41am

linn <ironhead at digitalpassage(dot)com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3dc773e4 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> OMG from bad to worse!!!!
>
Huh?

Nov 6, 2002, 3:37am

I am against closing the NGs down, because they actually can work as a
technical help in some occasions.
Thay are actually a apart of the support package when you buy a
world/universe.
What comes to the discussions in the community group, it is only "normal"
that now and then some bashing of some groups happens; has happened since I
started to read the NGs (beginning of 1999?). This way of communication
happens in most NGs I read.
I think it is good that there is a place where ppl can both be creative
(rare) and blow some steam about community issues.
I do not think we need monitoring; I also belive Flagg actually monitor this
NG, since some has been banned from here (I bet that is why he has been so
busy and not sent the world to me I won in Bingo over 2 months ago).

Drac
wizard myrddin <Hippyring at rdescape(DOT)co(DOT)uk> kirjoitti
viestissä:3dc868a5 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Personally the amount of trouble and allegations in these newsgroups which
> seem to have poping in over the last few weeks I would welcome the
> Newsgroups been totally closed down.
>
> The only information I ever see is the odd thread about something
> interesting, the rest is a set of "I think they did that" or your a bigot
> etc.
>
> What sort of example is this newsgroup showing people that might want to
> join Activeworlds and thought "Hey I read the newgroup to see what the
> members think"
>
>
> I think aw would now be a better place if these newsgroups closed as it is
> causing grief, upset, and people throwing false allegations.
>
>
>

Nov 9, 2002, 4:27pm

I have no respect for others?
I have respect for people, it is just stupid laws, religions, narrowmindness
etc I have no respect for.

Drac

Nov 7, 2002, 2:32pm

I am very sad to hear your worlds are expiring and you are leaving. I have
always admired you for what you have done; it is something I have dreamt of,
but never had the money (and guts) to do. I have not heard any critizism
against you or your worlds among the people I hang out with, the only thing
might be the funny names we have sometimes speculated over.

I admit I have not always thought the same about society, law, religion etc,
and if I have offeneded you with something I have said I apologize. I
actually respect people with different opinions, although I sometimes attack
or make fun of what they believe in, but here is nothing personal in it. I
do not actually know why I do it, probably because I am interested in what
people really belive in, and to get it out from them one needs to be a bit
provocative sometimes.


Drac

Nov 10, 2002, 5:18am

linn <ironhead at digitalpassage(dot)com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3dcd6209 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> just a question if this is true >>>>The results are 98% want the CY
> completely "G" rated. 2% want it "G" thru
> "X". then the browser change makes ppl think AW is now an adult site??
>
> asking this cause i have friends leaving right and left over this CY mess
>
Bye,bye, friends of Linn.
Some people take this CY "thingy" waaay to serious. To me CY is as important
as a bicycle for a fish.

I really do not see the problem with having various rated worlds represented
at the CY award. It is like, why could not Dumbo and Hannibal Lecter be in
the same category? If Dumbo wins everyone can go see it, if Hannibal, those
beeing old enough goes see it...this is so bloody simple, I really do not
understand how some people even bother making a problem out of it.

Calling AW an adult site is like calling Netscape a porn software.

Drac

Nov 10, 2002, 10:51am

linn <ironhead at digitalpassage(dot)com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3dce3fc5 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ash but these are hate wars now inside aw going on to the ppl 's
> friends who stood their ground BRO how you gonna love with that going
> on?? there are ppl in tears now over this

*hands a handkerchief to the whiners*

Drac

Nov 21, 2002, 5:37pm

ryan jacob <Padfoot at dog.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3ddaf823 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I think a balance between American parents and foreign visitors needs to
be
> made...I think the Customs Aide bot is a little too tough on cussing and
> does not even give a list of words that aren't allowed or any warnings.
>
> Ryan Jacob

LOL a list ? So it would give a list of all cussworlds, so that those not
familiar with them would learn them? It is like killing someone and then
say, you are not allowed to do this btw.

I was once asked to leave a world because I used the world "damn". I had
major problems understanding that it is a cussworld (and still have).

Drac

Nov 28, 2002, 11:45pm

Berilac Brandybuck of Buckland , seems a bit long for AW ;-)

Drac

Nov 28, 2002, 11:41pm

rossyboy <rossyboy at swcity.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3de63f26 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I don't really thing Goober's guide to the newsgroups is a waste of time;
> it's funny!
>
> Or maybe you were just mad about your entry:
> "SWE - Another Teener Troll with an apparent hard-on for all things
> Anti-American. I guess living in Libya, a country labelled by the US as
> harboring terrorists, will do that to you..."
>
Strange that I did not make the list; it seems I have a reputation to be the
most anti-US cit in AW. That is of course not true, I just dislike
authorities, telling us how we are supposed to think or act, telling us what
is apropiate or not etc..

Drac

Dec 12, 2002, 12:43am

Just for your and everyone elses information, it might come as a surprise
but one day HAS 24 hours not 12, not anything else either.
I think the 24 hour system is the most logic, we do not divide months into 2
either like 12th bm of March and 12th em of March (24th of March).

Drac
bowen <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> kirjoitti
viestissä:3df7cc0f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Dec 14, 2002, 3:02am

Yes I could say the 253nd day of the year, but since even a figure big as 24
seems to cause problems I doubt numbers going up to 365 would never work.
I am not saying that one system is the right one. Of course if both persons
are at the same place they probably know if it is day or night, but in an
international enviroment like AW where ppl come from various timezones a 24h
system is much more logic. A few times I have said when asked the time for
example it is 11. The time in US is about 1-3 am then. It is not at all
clear if my time is am or pm ( well it is for me but not the person who
ask).

Drac
zeo toxion <brandon at metrocast.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3df7f9b2 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I don't think it makes much of a difference. They're both logic. The day
is split into day and night and the
> months are split into weeks and days. That just goes to show that you
can't force everyone to go one way or the
> other it's a preference.
>
> And um...why would you divide months anyway. Days and months are two
seperate things you can't compare them.
> Why don't I say it's 252nd day of the year.
>
> --
> Zeo
>
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Dec 14, 2002, 3:08am

I know, and there was not even a year zero. I guess I was just trying to say
that using a 24h system in an enviroment with people from various timezones
is more logical, when again when talking locally the 12h sytem makes more
sense. When I talk with my granny I usully use the 12 h system, but when
having a person from OZ , Europe and Hawaii in the same chatroom 11 o´clock
is not so obvious anymore.

Drac
technozeus <TechnoZeus at techie.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3df80d82 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Well, they may not have slpit months, but most areas have split years into
either 2, 3, or 4 seasons and each of them seems to think for the most part
that their way is the best way. Also, you may have noticed that the numbers
used to represent the years split between 1 B.C., and 1 A.D., although
alternative initials are used in some places, but I personally think the
whole system has always been a mess and still is a mess. The number of days
in a month isn't something that's always been agreed on, and in fact after
many changes along the way we seem to have ended up with a system that only
vaguely resembles any sort of pattern. 24 hours in a day? Okay, so it's
nice that you can evenly divide that by 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, and 12, so when it
was put into effect I'm sure it made a lot of sense to the people who were
around at the time. The number of seconds in a minute, or minutes in an
hour can be evenly divided by 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, and 30, so
that's even more versatile... but who these days takes advantage of that?
The number systems based on 12 and 60 that were responsable for those
divisions are no longer in common usage, and the idea that we can split the
month up into 30 days was given up a long time ago because the moon simply
wouldn't cooperate. Want a system of time that makes sense? Get a bunch of
countries together and have them come up with one that makes sense to at
least most of them. How about something based on the Metric system?
There's something International for you. The 24 hour clock is arguably more
"international" than the 12 hour clock, but the fact that it can be so
readily argued either way proves that neither one really deserves the title.
Now, you may wonder if I'm nieve enough to think that a universal Metric
time system will be accepted world wide within my lifetime... I'm not, but
it's a nice thought.
>
> By the way, that would make me about 337.6 kh old, I think.
>
> TechnoZeus
>
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Dec 14, 2002, 3:10am

See above + It has nothing to do with elitistic, but with practicality.

Drac

>

Dec 15, 2002, 10:09am

True, telling the time what the clock show, be it 12 or 24 hour system, is
not very informatic. Actually I seldom look at the clock, I go to bed when I
am tired, I eat when I am hungry etc. For some people it seems to make a
difference what the local time is tho, and in a international chat-room I
think it make slightly more sense to use a 24h system; it will exclude the
morning/evening question, but not the day .
I think human beeings of today way too much look at the clock and the time;
should rather concentrate on what they are doing.
Paying attention to non-essential things can actually be dangerous. Like
when you are driving the car, if you stare at the tachometer all the time,
much that happenes on the road will be missed.

Another thing I find weird to ask in a chat room is age and sex. What
difference does it actually make? Well, the age maybe because all
conversations are probably not suited to all ageses, but sex, I really do
not see what difference it makes virtually.

Drac

technozeus <TechnoZeus at techie.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3dfac105$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> But that's not a fault in the system. That's just sloppy use of it. You
can do that with any system, but yes the 12 hour half day system does make
that particular situation a little more likely to happen. Even if you had
said specifically that it was 11pm, that still doesn't tell whether it's
early in the week or late in the week, because again information has been
left out... and if you said it was 23 O'clock on a Friday, that would still
not tell whether it's planting season, rainy season, or a snowy night with a
full moon out so there's plenty of light to see your way around outside
without having to bring a flashlight. Of course, if you throw the numbers
out of it completely and just give answers like "it's morning" or "it's
evening" then such ambiguities are much less likely than with either system,
but then you're not narrowing it down much and of course a shared language
becomes necessary. As an example of what I meant about numbers causing
ambiguity, in the summer time 6pm isn't evening here in Wisconsin, U.S.A.,
but in the winter it is. Okay, so maybe 6pm isn't a good example. Since
both the 12 hour and 24 hour system fail to make much sense to me I'm not
much good at either. To me the idea that changing where you're talking
about necessarily changes "when" you are talking about feels about the same
as I am guessing it would feel to most people if I tried to tell them that
changing "when" you are talking about necessarily changes "where" you are
talking about. When you ask someone how far away someplace is and they tell
you it's about 2 hours from where you are, do you sit back and expect to be
there in 2 hours? I don't mind the discussion about what time systems are
better for what reasons, but I really think in the case of the 12 and 24
hour systems it's more a case of what's more familliar than what's actually
"better" and that, unfortunately, will vary from person to person.
>
> TechnoZeus
>
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Dec 18, 2002, 11:09am

Yes we use it pretty much the same here (Finland).
I must say I have the excact same problem knowing which is noon, which
midnight. I think something that is excatly on a border is neither. Like
when people talk about temperature and use either -0 or +0, I find it really
strange, since as far as I know zero is neither. Maybe there should not be
any 12 am nor 12 pm but 12 d and 12 n.

We do not have a different he/she pronom in finnsih; both are hän. It seldom
cause any confusion. If it is essential to know which sex someone is and it
cannot be understood otherwise, we simple say it; otherwise everyone is just
hän.

Drac
ananas <vha at oct31.de> kirjoitti viestissä:3DFD9890.7AAD7610 at oct31.de...
> Here (germany) we actually use both. In normal speech, when you
> meet a person face to face, and it's clear that it can only be
> in the morning or evening, everyone uses the 12 hours system.
> Even without those modifiers "in the morning" or "evening".
>
> If it's in a letter or email, where the other person cannot ask
> at once, if something is not clear, we always use 24 hours, as
> misunderstandings are impossible then.
>
> In all 12-hour countries they use the 24 hours system too, for
> all kinds of official or technical time measurements.
>
> The only problem I have with converting to the British 12 hours
> system occurs at midnight and at noon. In our everyday language,
> 12°° at noon is not before or after something, it's just noon.
> That's why I'm often not sure, if the 12 am/pm means noon or
> midnight. Of course, the "a" in "am" is a little problem too, as
> _a_nte" does not mean _a_fter ;)
>
> These errors or misunderstandings are not possible in 24 hours.
> Plus it's easier to remember - you remember one number, instead
> of one number plus a modifier behind it.
>
> Those problems are a clear point for the 24 hours system in an
> international environment, in the exchange of time schedules.
>
> In chat I can ask if it isn't clear, so it's works if everyone uses
> his local system. In publishing a schedule, it's always better to
> use the official 24 hours system, as it allows no misunderstandings.
>
>
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Dec 19, 2002, 3:50pm

Yes I can understand that one want to indicate with the + or - , which is
more likely (or so). I was just thought at school, and the teacher pointed
it out often, that zero is zero not positive nor negative.
Maybe a more proper way would be < 0 and > 0 ?
The later sounds like some higher math, and math was never the subject I
enjoyed at school,,, as a matter of fact I do not remeber enjoying anything
in school; if something maybe biology and langauges to some point.

Drac
technozeus <TechnoZeus at techie.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3e019269 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> In the case of -0 and +0, what you are generally looking at is a number
that has been rounded off, with the sign indicating which side of zero the
actual value is on. There are also the infinitesimal number (+0) that I
like to call "potential zero" which is the multiplicative inverse of
potential infinity, and it's additive inverse, negative potential zero (-0),
but generallr if a quantity is that close to zero it is considered for all
practical purposes to be unsigned.
>
> TechnoZeus
>
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Dec 21, 2002, 2:25am

LOL. Since I am still at the level where I count fingers (and toes) these
examples in the end of your posting is something I do not understand,
however, I have many times wondered why one cannot divide with zero. I once
during school asked my math teacher and she gave some strange answer, from
which I got the impression that it was just a thing that had been decided.
I belive seeing tho that zero can be divided. I guess the problem with
dividing with zero would be that zero x (any number) cannot be anything else
than zero, that would result in that zero divided with zero would be 1,
which would be a bit strange tho. She told me that there is some way of
dividing with a number that aproches zero (but at that point I was so
confused that I decided I like biology better).
I guess math can be really facinating, unfortunatly I do not have enough
braincapacity to ever figure it out. It seems tho that I am not alone, but
atleast our tax-department have similar problems.

Drac
technozeus <TechnoZeus at techie.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3e022f3a at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Yep. I know what you mean. Unfortunately mathematics can be a difficult
subject due to the fact that so many educational institutions, text books,
and teachers tend to teach it in stages treating each stage as if the next
one doesn't exist. They start out, for example, by telling you that numbers
can be counted on your fingers. Then they tell you that you haven't got
enugh fingers to handle all of the numbers but if you gather enough objects
together you can count to any number by counting objects. Then they tell you
that you can count backward also but that when you get to 1 you run out of
numbers. Then they tell you that there's a number that represents no
objects, so suddenly you can count backward farther than they told you could
be done. Then they teach you how to add and subtract, and tell you that any
two numbers can be added in any order but you can't subtract a bigger number
from a smaller one. Then they teach you how to multiply and divide numbers,
and they tell you that you can multiply any two numbers, but that you can
only divide certain numbers. Then they tell you that you can divide numbers
that you were already told couldn't be divided, but that you'll end up with
something left over. Then they tell you that if you multiply the number you
divided by times the number that you got from the division you will get the
number that was divided. Then they tell you that if there was a number left
over when you divided you can't multiply the results of your division by the
divisor to find the dividend.
>
> Aafter all this, they tell you that there are numbers between the numbers
that you've been told all along had no numbers between them, and they show
you where they are on a number line. In fact, they generally go on to tell
you that "all" numbers are on the number line somewhere, but that they're
all between other numbers. Then try to teach you how to divide numbers that
you were told would always have something left over and get one of these new
numbers with nothing left over. Then they tell you that you can subtract a
bigger number from a smaller number afterall, and that you can count
backward beyond zero. Then they try to teach you how to add the new
fractional numbers that exist between the other numbers, and most people
find that very difficult because they're still having enough trouble just
dealing with the fact that their earlier education about numbers told them
there were no such numbers. Then they try to teach you how to subtact
fractional numbers, or "rational" numbers, and that turns out to be even
more of a challange. Then they tell you that there are numbers that can't
be represented by digits because they have unknown quantities. Then they
try to teach you how to add and subtract the new "negative" numbers that are
lower than zero and again the brain wants to reject either the old education
or the new education because they disagree with each other, and most people
find this part of mathematics to be unreasonably difficult.
>
> As if that isn't enough, then they go on to teach you how to multiply and
divide using negative numbers, and you have to deal with the fact that not
only do these negative numbers exist in spite of the fact that you had been
told otherwise but they don't behave like the numbers you've been dealing
with all along, so you have to learn that if you are multiplying a negative
number and a positive number together the results will be negative and that
the same is true of division, but that multiplying or dividing two numbers
with the same sign always gives you a positive number and never a negative
number. Then they teach you about exponents, first saying they are always
posative, then adding in that an exponent can be zero, then later adding in
that an exponent can also be fractional or "rational", and eventually
telling you that an exponent can even be negative. Somewhere around this
point they generally would tell you about square roots, but neglect to tell
you that there are other kinds of roots as well or that the square root of a
number is the same as that number given a fractional exponent of 1/2 or 0.5
and further confusing the issue by stating that negative numbers have no
square roots. Well, eventually that will have to be corrected also if you
take math far enough and you end up finding out that there's anothe number
line that intersects the first number line, and this one contains all of the
square roots of negative numbers, and as if that wasn't confusing enough
they call them "imaginary" numbers and generally don't bother to mention
that it's just a name and doesn't mean that there's no real use for them.
In fact, it turns out then, usually to a person's complete astonishment and
disbelief if they even understand it at all, that you can add the numbers on
this new number line to the numbers on the old number line and get numbers
that are not on the number line at all, and there are more of these
"complex" numbers than there are of the so called "real" and "imaginary"
numbers combined! Now, of course, at that point if you've managed to
survive the ordeal without deciding that you hate math and throwing in the
towel, they reassure you that the complex numbers are all there is.
Hehehe... well, don't believe that either because there are still
quaternions and octonions to deal with and really that's just the beginning.
>
> TechnoZeus
>
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Dec 21, 2002, 2:27am

We are not arguing lol

Drac
goober king <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> kirjoitti
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> Ok, this would be a perfect example of saying too much to say absolutely
> nothing (pun intended). You people are arguing over zero, fer COB's
> sake! Take it to general discussion if you must, or better yet, email.
> And get to the point! :P
>
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Dec 21, 2002, 2:33am

yes, actually a very interesting question: is zero something or nothing? If
zero is nothing what are then negative numbers? moore nothing? This would
mean that moore nothing x moore nothing = something; and the moore the
nothing multiplied with the othe more nothing is, the more something it will
be. Then again no matter how much moore nothing it is , if it is multiplied
with zero it will be zero (which must be either something or nothing?).
Moore nothing and something if multiplied will always result im more nothing
tho.
Ok I guess i better go and take some of those pills my shrink gave me...

Drac
technozeus <TechnoZeus at techie.com> kirjoitti
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> I wasn't arguing at all... and although I like your pun, I disagree about
it being nothing. As a matter of fact, it was about "almost nothing" which
is why +0 and -0 were used. :)
>
> TechnoZeus
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Dec 14, 2002, 2:47am

Christmas is actually not a christian holiday from the beginning, but whas
"adopted" by the christians so that the "pagan" folks could keep on
celebrating.
In Mesopotania (about 2000 BC) a very similar holiday as our christmas was
celebrated, and during history various culturus has celebrated "christmas"
as best fit into their culture. In Europe it had a "wicca" function, it was
the darkest time of the year and one was for example hanging up apples in
trees to remind oneself that spring will come. So christmas has taken many
forms during history, it become christian when no other rligions than
christianity was allowed. In these days it is a celebration of
commerciality,,, who knows what it is after 300 years, maybe we celebrate
the new koran or the birth of Ugrrl.

What I find very pathetic is that they have banned Santa Claus in
kindergartens in Australia, not to hurt the parents of the non-christian
children. As far as I know Santa is not a christian symbol, not a
reincarnation of Jesus or anything like that.
I know muslims who celebrate christmas. In the beginning I was not sure if I
should send them a christmas-card or not, so I sent them them a happy new
year card. I recived some christmas cards from them and a letter telling
about how they have been decorated for christmas, so now I send christmas
cards to them. I honestly doubt that anyone seriously could be hurt by
seeing Santa in the kindergarten . It is probably some naroowminded
wannabepolitically-correct bitch that has decided again what is good for
others. We could tho discuss if we should get rid of Santa in general as he
is one thing who increase commerciality and put presure on less fortunate
families during christmas.

Drac

facter <invurt at hotmail.com> kirjoitti
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Dec 14, 2002, 6:57am

Yes I kind of agree lol. In scandinavia it is still called Jul-Joulu (some
for of Yule). Santa used to be a man with the head of a goat here , that is
why he has a beard. I need to check up on the history better, but I am sure
we celebrated christmas before it become a religious holiday,, I somehow
have a feeling Jesus was not born in winter either but more like in summer
or autumn, I need to investigate a bit. i will come back to it later.

Like here Santa Claus is called joulupukki ( which means yule goat) in
swedish julbock meaning the same but also julgubbe is used (meaning
something like yule (old)man)

Drac
carolann <carolannh at charter.net> kirjoitti
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> Well, kind of, (IMHO). Christmas itself was never a pagan celebration
There
> was a winter solstice celebration around the same time of year as our
> present Christmas (December 21) also but pre-dating the birth of Jesus and
> not called Christmas....Christ Mass....celebration of a holy
birth....birth
> of a savior. Yuletide is a common name for these non-Christian
celebrations
> from the past and of course is still a term used today.
>
> They are related mainly by the time of year and may share some common
> customs of the days surrounding the holiday (Holy Day) but they do not
share
> the same roots.
>
> For too many, the real meaning of Christmas is out of their hands and into
> the pockets of commercialists.
>
> Saint Nicholas (say it 3 times fast)...Santa Claus...ring any
(Christmas:-)
> bells? He was the Bishop of a city in what is now Turkey noted for his
> kindness and generosity (and gift giving) to those in need, especially
> children, in the 4th century. His birthdate was December 6th. I really
doubt
> though if he ever waited in line at 6 in the morning at anything like our
> Sears or Walmart...he was before the time that Christmas lost it's meaning
> for some and became some nervous-breakdown producing shop-a-holic's
> nightmare (or heaven) for the benefit money making. So yes..Santa Claus IS
> (was) a real person. I agree, there is certainly nothing wrong with
letting
> kids (from religious backgrounds or not) enjoy the Santa Claus of myth
> either....the myth is not a bad one (unless it does get entirely and
> terribly commercial.) I know of no normal adults who have been caused harm
> by this.
>
>
>
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Dec 14, 2002, 7:00am

That is because they have decided to call it christmas in english. There is
another older word also Yule.

Drac
carlbanks <CarLBanks at insight.rr.com> kirjoitti
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> Your wrong. Christmas has Christ in it because it is celebrating the birth
> of Jesus Christ the best thing that happened to the world. It's not about
> the presents it's about celebrating the birthday.
>
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Jan 14, 2003, 11:53am

I tried to sign up also, but it seemed the minimum was 800Mhz ( which it
told me after I had applied). I do not understand why it simply could not
state it somewhere in the beginning so I would not have bothered filling in
the form.

CarolAnn seems to have double the minimum required, so that should be
enough.

Furthemore I think beta testers SHOULD be avarage people with not the
fastest and best computers. Enormous lag and slowness IS a bug in any
programm. A bug that people seem to ignore, assuming everyone has 2,4 GHz.
Any programm should run smoothly on the minimum requirements. Any programm
having 800 Mhz as minimum cannot reach the mass market in many years,
especially if it is slow and buggy upto 1,8Ghz(?) and even support only a
few 3d cards.

It is kind of sad that programm makers makes programs that use more and more
resources, instead of focusing on making the programms good and effective.
In a few years a normal minimum requirement for games will probably be 3Ghz,
so all those who next year spend 3000$/? on a new computer will need a new
one again.

Drac, stuck with my 333Mhz P II, ATI-Antique.

zeo toxion <zeo at activeworlds.com> kirjoitti
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> I didn't read most of the other replies but..
>
> Beta minimum requirements are often much higher then they will be intended
at public release. I guess it's
> easier to test when you don't have to worry about lagging or slowness?
You also won't have to worry about the
> testers having hardware problems or incompatibilities so they can focus on
actual bugs in the software.
>
> --
> Zeo
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Jan 15, 2003, 4:10am

Ahh come on Seija, I never saw the log, neither wish I see it. We all need
to blow some steam now and then, it is no big deal.

Drac
seiya faye <starbuilds at yahoo.com> kirjoitti
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> Now, I am very very sorry for what I said that night, I did not mean it, I
> was very angry , and I get very angry sometimes, and I just exploded on
the
> SW mayors. I have received many grams about how horrible I am, and it is
> true I am horrible, I received grams on about how I may have great
building
> skills, but without humbleness, it is nothing, that also is true. However,
I
> am not a monster so I ask for all of your forgiveness, I have overheard
the
> people wishing that i was banished from AW, due to my rotten behaviour,
that
> too is true, but please, forgive me, I have ah ard time with my anger and
> when it explodes, I regret everything.... If you care not to forgive me,
> then so be it, for I deserve it all.
> -love (try to at least)
> Seiya Faye
>
>

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