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count dracula // User Searchagreeing with the GK's is badApr 22, 2003, 6:33pm
bowen <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> kirjoitti
viestissä:3ea57b23 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > [View Quote] I did not say anything about Iraq, I just tried to make you apriciate your ejection. But since you brought it up, what proofs ? LOL I have seen yet not even one proof that Iraq was planning to attack USA, nor have I seen even one mass-destruction or chemical weapon in Iraq :-Þ. It seems tho that USA will not allow UN to search for them, but they will do it only by themselves, sheesh that is just so reliable and unparty LOL Drac > > --Bowen-- > > agreeing with the GK's is badApr 23, 2003, 12:08pm
I did not bring up the Iraq issue. I simply tried to teach Bowen how to
apriciate and even be thankfull for his ejection. The GK on duty might have heard or someone might have told him/her that Bowen knows other than G-rated language and therefore is a threat to a G-rated enviroment. He might have other proof also, but may not want to present them to protect the GKs way of obtaining information. I am just trying to use "US" logic in this case. Drac goober king <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> kirjoitti viestissä:3EA5A5D4.9060201 at utn.cjb.net... > For COB's sake, Bowen, don't encourage him! The last thing we need in > here is yet *another* derailed war thread. It's obvious Drac has trouble > letting go of his "issues" with the war, so let's just let him wallow in > his own perceived notions of the real world and you go about your > business, ok? > [View Quote] agreeing with the GK's is badApr 23, 2003, 12:09pm
Don´t worry. I am not interested in discussing Iraq in here. The damage is
done, no use anymore. Drac bowen <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> kirjoitti viestissä:3ea5a693 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > [View Quote] agreeing with the GK's is badApr 23, 2003, 12:16pm
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> I have NEVER in my life heard anyone chastised for saying "crap." I have, > however, heard school teachers, clergy, and politicians use it publicly. > > - > Wing > Citizen 305004 > World: WingCorp (Currently down due to extensive hardware failures) > I have been asked to leave because I said " damn, tomorrow my citizenship will expire". I was wondering why. I was told not to cuss. It took my quite a while to figure out at which point I had cussed . I even presented the ethymology behind damn, but nothing helped... I guess it is impossible to be around narrowminded hypocrats LOL Drac agreeing with the GK's is badApr 24, 2003, 12:18pm
*watches Gober giving Rossy a pre-emptive smack and rolls on floor lauging
his g-rated ass off* Drac goober king <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> kirjoitti viestissä:3EA70B10.1050701 at utn.cjb.net... > *smacks Rossy* What did I tell Bowen *not* to do? :P > [View Quote] agreeing with the GK's is badApr 26, 2003, 6:29am
maki <maki at awgate.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3ea990a7$3 at server1.Activeworlds.com... [View Quote] Just a typical republican.... Drac agreeing with the GK's is badApr 26, 2003, 6:58am
bowen <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> kirjoitti
viestissä:3ea9d78d at server1.Activeworlds.com... > [View Quote] World power and education are 2 different things. I think it has been proven that even an imbesill can run a country. Good education do not equal to which country has the most money to spend on weapons. In the PISA research in which 31 countries took part, US students ranked : reading 15th, math 19th and science 14th. The countries doing best were Finland, Japan and Korea. http://www.conway.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm ) Drac Yes Mr. Bruce will shutdown A!!CT Again (Mr. Bruce grow up)Apr 26, 2003, 7:08am
I think we will need a news.activeworlds.com a!!ct , where all these A!!CT
stuff could be, so that ppl having interest in this world could find these threads, and we who are not involved with A!!CT could avoid them. Drac whitestar <bdale at woh.rr.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3ea8a9dd$3 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > By Whitestar > > > > Mr. Bruce has banned me from A!!CT I felt it neccary to let every on know <snap> GKs and their PerksJul 2, 2003, 1:00pm
I doubt the small benefits the GKs get is the reason they become GKs. I know
some people work really hard to help out and I think it is fair they get some kind of reward, however, since there seems to be some GKs that eject people out of personal reasons or because of lack in knowldge, I would suggest there was a " group" that would monitor the actions of GKs. It should be people who has a sense of fairness and common sense. This only because AW (the company) seems to not take any interest in the fact that quite a few people are upset with these "bad" GKs. Drac 77 <n0zoa at attbi.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3eaf0c21$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > I you ask a GK why they do what they do it is always because they like to > help people, or at least that is what they say, I wonder how many Gks would > still be GKs if they took all the perks like 50% off AW purchases and > citizen extensions and make Gking Completely voluntary with no perks ( I > wonder how many would stick around). There should be a board in the gate > telling what gatekeeper is suppose to be on duty for all to see witch ones > don't show up for their shift and I think if they do not show up for their > shift after certain amount of days should have their cit extensions revoked > and have to pay to renew it, because after all that is what they get that > perk for and they should be doing what they get those perks for > > Someone REALLY lost the plotMay 3, 2003, 7:25am
Sunds like part of this pre-emtive hysteria going on "over ther". Since
users has the capability of typing and most likely know others than G-rated words, they become a threat to a G-rated enviroment. Even if the users are using only G-rated words it is safer to eject him/her before he/she might say something "bad" ( like Bowen in gate). A good reason for banning people is also if they use words that you do not understand; like foreign foods might be some cover up antrax anyway) , chicken breasts ( might offend vegetarians) etc. Yes, better warn everyone. Dont trust anyone. The potential evilness is lurking everywhere. "God bless OUR country ( screw the others) and long live paranoia! Drac strike rapier <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> kirjoitti viestissä:3eb2a890 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Okay I have no idea who did this but someone really really REALLY lost the > plot BIG TIME with this welcome message. Its ridiculous, no offence to > whoever did it but its absolutely stupidity. > > Are you trying to loose the majority of the customer base? You have no way > of even checking if someone has permission, this does nothing but makes > everyone run, Im trying my best to develop AWTeen, idiotic messages like > this completely wreck my efforts. > > Will someone please find whoever wrote this, tie them to a chair and learn > what an initial disclaimer is for and WHAT IN GODS NAME IS GOOD FOR > BUSINESS!!! > > Immigration Officer: Welcome to Active Worlds. Most of the content in Active > Worlds is user generated and may not be suitable for person's under the age > of 18, parent's permission MUST be obtained before visiting Active Worlds. > We welcome you to the AWGateway : ) > > FIX IT!!! > > - Mark > Why am I surrounded by fools? Yes no doubt this phrase was possibly put up > by a good friend in AWC, sorry if it is you will just have to take the flack > this time :( > > Someone REALLY lost the plotMay 9, 2003, 8:12am
"suitable for all ages". That is pretty much a cultural thing. Does it
actually mean " suitable for all ages in USA" ? Drac alphabit phalpha <alphabit at swbell.net> kirjoitti viestissä:3eb525b4$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Any participating and awarded world must be suitable for all ages. > A person who owns or plays in higher rated worlds is NOT disqualified, but > their entry must be in a world rated for all ages. > For instance, if a person created an avater or object in an adult rated > world that was suitable for all ages, they could place that avatar in a > friends world or we could possibly see about getting a "display" world to > place it, or have a world owner out there donate some of thier area for > displaying avs or objects....(oooooo idea!....exposure for a world owner!). > If ya'll need some explanations as to why...please holler:) > > > [View Quote] Someone REALLY lost the plotMay 9, 2003, 8:14am
Kind of funny. I know people who are 17 and married and even has a child of
their own. I guess they are suppoed to ask permission from mom if they can go to AW and chat *G* Drac strike rapier <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> kirjoitti viestissä:3eb2a890 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Okay I have no idea who did this but someone really really REALLY lost the > plot BIG TIME with this welcome message. Its ridiculous, no offence to > whoever did it but its absolutely stupidity. > > Are you trying to loose the majority of the customer base? You have no way > of even checking if someone has permission, this does nothing but makes > everyone run, Im trying my best to develop AWTeen, idiotic messages like > this completely wreck my efforts. > > Will someone please find whoever wrote this, tie them to a chair and learn > what an initial disclaimer is for and WHAT IN GODS NAME IS GOOD FOR > BUSINESS!!! > > Immigration Officer: Welcome to Active Worlds. Most of the content in Active > Worlds is user generated and may not be suitable for person's under the age > of 18, parent's permission MUST be obtained before visiting Active Worlds. > We welcome you to the AWGateway : ) > > FIX IT!!! > > - Mark > Why am I surrounded by fools? Yes no doubt this phrase was possibly put up > by a good friend in AWC, sorry if it is you will just have to take the flack > this time :( > > Someone REALLY lost the plotMay 10, 2003, 6:34am
Yep, just what I meant. There is nothing such as "suitable for all ages"
that would be international. Guess we can be glad AW is not an Iranian company, but only hosted in about the second most "srict" part of the world; it will atleast not make us cover up the faces of the avatars, only some other, in my opinion, innocent parts of the "body". I guess nobody will ever be able to give me a logical explanation why we are supposed to cover up genitals, and even worst breasts. Funny thing is also that men are allowed to be topless but not female. I think this is something that feminists should start bitching about. It cannot be right that women are not given the same " rights" as men? The funny part is that for example the nipples on a man and a woman are basically the same. When an unborn baby is developed all get the same nipples, and only after that the sex is determinated; that is the reason why men has nipples in the first place. ( Everyone actually starts as female). I wonder how for example shemales are are considered. They are legally men but have breasts; are they allowed to walk around topless without getting in problem with the law? Can I have a topless shemale in my G-rated world? Drac alphabit phalpha <alphabit at swbell.net> kirjoitti viestissä:3ebbb5b1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Well...seeing's how AW AND myself are in the USA, we need to follow USA laws > and regulations. > Working on the new cy pages now and I'll have more info on the rules page. > They should be up by then end of the weekend:) > BTW....they will be rated "F" for Fun!.....idea gratis Binary Bud:) > [View Quote] Someone REALLY lost the plotMay 10, 2003, 3:28pm
Well they would if they was pro equality for sexes ;-)
I have neither heard them ever complain of how relativly small amount of women are involved in the garbage collecting system, the car repairing business; neither do I hear any complains that there are to less men as beauticians. Drac swe <swe at swe-e.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3ebcbba2 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > lol! would be nice if the feminists start bitchin about being allowed to > walk around topless wouldn't it? :D > > -SWE > [View Quote] Someone REALLY lost the plotMay 10, 2003, 3:32pm
Yes it is funny that is has to be some weird carneval to be allowed to do a
natural thing. Yeah, lets play Mardi Gras, turn on your webcam and show me your tits and I will throw candy at the screen.... Drac alphabit phalpha <alphabit at swbell.net> kirjoitti viestissä:3ebce3b7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Ummm...they have here in Austin during Mardi Gras:) > And...they won:) > It's a tradition that gals bare there top part of their bodies in exchange > for colorful plastic bead necklaces. > Sheesh...and all this time I have been getting gratis from restaurants:) > > Someone REALLY lost the plotJul 2, 2003, 1:07pm
elyk <kfoerst at sbcglobal.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3eb36444$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > In fear that the children might stumble into the CY-Award winning, yet > pervertely disturbing DS Worlds.....*rolls eyes* > I really wish that someone would be able to define "pervert" to me some day. I belive it is like the word "good" or "beautiful", it totally depends whom you ask. What I might consider perfectly normal, some other might find perverted ( and the other way around) Drac careful hereMay 20, 2003, 3:46pm
I am getting a deja vu here now *g* ( a while ago about CYs)
-You know what I am talking about -what? -you know! -could you tell me ? -yes I could, but I will not....etc I guess the trend of today is " We have proofs , but we will not show them" Drac linn <ironhead at digitalpassage(dot)com> kirjoitti viestissä:3ec0f80f at server1.Activeworlds.com... > cause if pushed any further i "could" post the proof i speak of and i dont > think AW or anyone involved wants that i think its time you cool off > and crawl back under your rock!!!! > > Did Active Worlds Inc drop the ball here?Jun 13, 2003, 8:53am
bastillion <bastillion at charter.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3ee7d92e at server1.Activeworlds.com... <snip> > > BUT THEN: I was looking through the listings, and I happened to find both > "Second Life" AND "There.com" listed! > > OOPS! What a shame that these other two chat programs happened to be > recognized by this very Popular Game Magazine, and Active Worlds wasn't even > mentioned! <snip> Don't you know that AW is one of the best kept secrets on the net. It is only meant for a few selected one, who has accidentally run into their page. One is not to advertise AW, that might cause more customers; no, in AW one just want to keep a few people and rise the prices instead of having many customers and lower price. One should also try to make joining AW as hard as possible, by banning tourists. If some worldowner would like to have visitors in his/her world against the company will, it is possible if you pay a 50$ fine. AW do not want people to visit our worlds, god knows , they might even get hooked on AW, and that is not acceptable.... Drac Bots need a more reasonable language filter.Jul 2, 2003, 1:15pm
This is one reason I hate bots, they cannot see the context. If I said " i
skall ha en prick över sig" I would be ejected, and probably have no idea why. For example I do not recall seeing anywhere when entering the gate that only some specific languages are allowed. I guess bots could have a list of "offensive" words that do not have any other meaning that beeing "offensive", but should definetly not have words that has a "not-offensive" meaning also. Drac binarybud <leo at realPANTStourvision.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3f02e572$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Don't be so stupid.....now that you've been ejected...... did you learn anything? Don't say "prick" and you'll get along just fine...lesson learned....no big deal unless you want to make one out of it....:) see how easy that was to resolve? no committees deciding who is right and who is wrong...no debates to decide if "prick" is a good word or bad word...(that was already decided by AWI....remember THEY OWN this software) So basically, try and learn your lessons quicker, and not be such a crybaby about it. > > and "prick my finger" should have been warned and ejected if he/she did not change their name....WHY? you ask..... > Because nobody could address this person if they typed their name and the GK would recognize this and ask for the name change. > "prick my finger" was IMO up to no good with this choice of names anyhow. > > flame on > Leo :) > > > > > [View Quote] Attension programmersJul 16, 2003, 3:33pm
I would need a simple "proxy" that runs on Unix.
It should be a program that would forward only to one place. For example if I set in proxy options myserver.com/proxy1 it would connect to activeworlds port 5690, regardless what the ini says. If I connect to myserver.com/proxy2 it would connect to activeworlds port 5691 regardless what the ini file says etc This way I would not need to edit the ini file and would not become a terrible criminal. Just out of principe and common sense I am not going to install 20 browsers on my HD. Drac TestJul 16, 2003, 9:56pm
I guess it is against the mysterious everchanging EULA to tell about the
contraversial actions of AWI staff. I honestly did not see any "bad words" or personal attacks in the thread, yet it was closed. I guess this prooves again how AWI handle things. Someone dares to critizise the company for having contravercial policy ( read : do as they please and never have to show you what their decissions are based on) and they close the thread. I guess AW cannot do anything to vandals who clutter up places, cheat to get peoples passwords or delete others world, so they choose to attack people who they might have a personal reason for not liking; comming up with new rules, saying one thing, later claiming to have meant something else. Drac bowen <Bowen at andras.net> kirjoitti viestissä:3f15ae64$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... [View Quote] out of control gk botJul 20, 2003, 12:23pm
Lesson number one: forget logic and common sence whem dealing with AW.
At this point AWI should be aware of how GKs eject because of lack of understanding or out of personal reasons. The bots are probably scripted by these same persons who do not know the difference between Arsole and Arshole. What do AWI choose to do? Nothing, since it seems be their policy not to want prople to join AW and especially not find other universes. Drac crazy pills <chris101d at comcast.net> kirjoitti viestissä:3f1773f6$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > i was in awgate cuz alaskan shadow told me a tourist was looking for me and > he was posing as a diff name but was actually "confederate" i said the > following; > > out of control gk botJul 21, 2003, 12:21pm
I somehow find this way of thinking disturbing. One is not supposed to
change things that is wrong ? As a paying citizen, I one has to get some rights to ask for a justice practice. Many people invest a lot in AW, not always directly, but alwso inderectly buy buying webspace, hosting, software and models. If AW suddenly shut down all my worlds, without a reason, I would find it disturbing. I wonder how you would feel about it ? Same with these random ejections from worlds owned by AWI. I can understand that people may do as they wish in worlds they own, but the worlds owned by AWI, is like the face of AW. When a tourist enter for the first time and experience an unjustified ejection, it will probably piss him off that much, he will never register etc I think we should never accept unfairness, no matter how meaningless the thing might seem, because if you give the little finger, it will take the whole hand, as they say. Drac ..duo. <ncommons at comcast.net> kirjoitti viestissä:3f1bc02e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > I find it funny how you always speak up when I talk about kids. yup > *rolls eyes* there ya are. > > "kids" > > whats outta control is the punk-ass kids raising hell at others expense with > no respect for anyone. Seems like a simple and easy way to hassle them bask > to me. SWE,.... keep in mind that they can eject on the letters "SWE" also > and you can't do a damn thing about it get over it. Instead of waisting > your time critisizing AWI .....why not HELP AWI figure out a way to > combat/control these net abusers? > > Come up with this solution and your a HERO in AWL :) > > Leo :) > > PS; I's not an unsolvable thing.....they just need to focus on it...:) > > "punk-ass kids" [View Quote] out of control gk botJul 22, 2003, 10:34am
Well, the point here is not who you was ejected by, a bot or a person, but
the fact that people are ejected out of no reason. I have also stated before that I belive that most GKs do an excellent job, but as always if even one in a group acts badly the whole group gets easily bashed. Drac truetome2 <TrueToMe2 at my.activeworlds.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3f1c411e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Very well put Mauz and if everyone would just calm down they could see that > it was CA who did the ejecting not the on duty GK. As gatekeepers we are in > gate to help the new user not sit around ejecting everyone for whatever > reason, AWI has implemented the CA Bot to help filter out such words that > may be harmful to others, CA is a tool to aid the GK so they can be free to > help newcomers. Being a team leader in the GK organization I can say that we > have very high standards when it comes to ejecting folks and if you feel you > have ever been ejected "BY the GK" then file a complaint with the ETL's > (Executive Team Leaders) at gatekeepers at activeworlds.com > > By coming into the NGs and posting you are only exhausting a negative image > of the Gatekeeper and it's not fair if in fact you were not ejected wrongly > or by the GK on duty. I understand your concerns about censorship, but > sometimes there are other reasons for things being handled the way they are > and if you are in doubt of something, you can always write to the > perspective group and ask questions. I have never heard of anyone being told > "that's none of your business". > > My Best to you all, > TL-TrueToMe2 > AWGatekeepers > Team TruBluXers > [View Quote] out of control gk botJul 22, 2003, 10:36am
I have not been ejected for a while now, so I have forgotten; do it tell you
who you are ejected by ? People HAS asked AWI to do something about this, but they have choosen not to listen ( as usual). Drac truetome2 <TrueToMe2 at my.activeworlds.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3f1c4906$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Bowen we do not have control over the words that are added to CA, she is the > sole responsibility of AWI, so praytell if you have a complaint about the > filtered words of CA take them to AWI yourself.... We the GK's are doing our > jobs, so please give us a break!! > > TrueToMe2 > [View Quote] out of control gk botJul 22, 2003, 2:06pm
It is more a matter of principes. If we are going to tolerate a small
portion of wrongness, next we will have a bigger. Maybe if somepne would spank you only 5 minutes per day, you should not complain; next time they will do it for 5 minutes twice per day, maybe you shall not complain yet. If you will be spanked a bit more every week; when would you think is the apropiate time to say : no! ? Drac ryan <awngs.5.ryanjacob at spamgourmet.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3f1d5283$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > The world caretaker can see who ejected who, however the Customs Aide > only ejects for 5 minutes. My best advice would be to not complain over > a 5 minute ejection as it's extremely trivial to do so (by the time your > complaint letter is done, your ejection has expired anyway.) > > Ryan > [View Quote] out of control gk botJul 22, 2003, 3:24pm
People like you make life easy for dictators and such; you are always
prepred to take shit from others . I do not bloody care if an ejection is for 5 minutes or 5 months, if it is wrong it is wrong. Getting ejected is something I feel ashamed over, it is a punishment for doing somewthing wrong. It is like if the cops starts to give you small tickets now and then randomly; just small tickets. My policy is, I do not take shit from anyone, not even a little, unless I deserve it ( then it is ok). Drac binarybud <leo at realPANTStourvision.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3f1d6294 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > I think it's time to say NO to you! enough is enough....stop your petty whining. > It's a 5 minute time-out ...... much needed if you ask me....and totally harmless if not. > [View Quote] Another 2nd Life ArticleJul 22, 2003, 12:09pm
Shhh! AWI do not want any press/media attention ;-)
Drac imagine <imagines at joimail.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3f1c3a49 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Do the people who wrote that artical know about AW? I expect they probably > do, but If not, maybe you should introduce AW to them. > > Imagine > [View Quote] LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT RIGHT NOW!!!!!Jul 22, 2003, 10:20am
Oh well, I do not see how your OP service would differ from that provided my
Heartfall or myself. I guess they have to sue us all then :) As I see it, in my case, I charge a bit for the empty space and bandwith I provide. The OP I have gathered from regular AW stuff, freebies, scratchmade and converted stuff is like an extra. To save people from having to upload the same stuff and fill u their space with "regular" stuff. I do not see the logic of having for exaple pp01.rwx in 40 different places on the same server. So calm down now Bruce, it is not good for ones bloospressure to shout like that :) Let people sue if they think they have a case and most of all if they think it is worth it; until then relax. Drac mrbruce <a1ctworld at aol.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3f1cc0d5$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > There appears to be alot of grams spread around right after Kol threatend me > and my path.Lets get this staright people right now before lawsuits get > imposed on the guilty parties!!!!! > A!!CT nor does A1CTPATHSERVICES SELL OR OFFER ANY OBJECTS FOR SALE!!!!!!!!! > IT IS CLEARLY ON OUR WEBSITE ON BOLD FUC*ING LETTERS FOR ANY MORON TO READ > THAT CAN READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > WE HAVE A RIGHT LIKE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE IN AW TO OFFER OUR PATH AT BAND-WIDTH > USAGE ONLY...WE PAY FOR THAT BANDWIDTH AND ARE NOT A CHARITY SERVICE, ITS > NOT ENOUGH WE AT OUR COST OFFER A WORLD TO BE FREELY USED BY THIS > COMMUNITY!!!!!! > ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO FORWARD TELEGRAMS LIKE THIS WILL BE REPORTED > TO AW IMMEDAITLY AND THOSE WHO POST WILL BE LIABLE FOR SLANDER!!!! > A1CTPATHSERVICES.HTM DOES NOT OFFER ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO US FOR > SALE, ANY OBJECTS ON OUR PATH ARE NOT THE PRODUCT FOR SALE BY US AND ARE > PASSWORDED AGAINST THEFT. > PEOPLE BETTER GET THIS SHIT STRAIGHT OR FIND YOURSELVES ACTIVELY ON A CIVIL > COURT DOCKET FOR SLANDER AND I'M NOT FUC*KING AROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > NOW CUT THE BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT RIGHT NOW!!!!!Jul 22, 2003, 12:07pm
LOL :-Þ , not in middleaged men ;-)
Drac alphabit phalpha <alphabitphalpha at activeworlds.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3f1d441f at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Why Count......I would think you would enjoy a bit of a blood pressure > rise:) > > |