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Oct 27, 2002, 8:43pm

I have sat on the sidelines long enough, and though I would point out to
whomever might read this at AWI.

Alpha Prime has historically been the world of introduction to building
and community.

I can understand AWI closing the other worlds that they currently own
to tourist .

These were privately owned by members we now make up AWI, but Alpha
Prime ... aka AW, was here before they were, and because of its place in
history, should be viewed by ALL, even the tourist.

Maybe if tourists could see what can has done, they might decide that
they want to add to what is there.

Should not be a problem for AWI to clear away everything built by a
tourist, the 1ST of each month :-)

Oct 27, 2002, 8:54pm

I agree 100%... Let tourists come back to Alpha!!! It's worth whatever
hassle a few might cause because most of them bring good things to this
community...

Oct 27, 2002, 9:02pm

I completely agree that Tourists should be allowed back into AW. We lost
some good upstanding citizens when that was changed. I miss Lara! *sniffs*

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Oct 27, 2002, 11:54pm

Personally i don't think it will work this time.
We have got them to bend on many occasions
but seeing as Prime is the main building world, the largest.
Letting tourists back in there, would just be like, well let's just get rid
of tourist restrictions all together, see my point?

On the business side it's just not logical.

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Brock - 308723
AW 3.4 Build: 435
Brock at iceflare.net

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Oct 28, 2002, 12:31am

Brock, banning tourists from all but a few worlds was never logical to
begin with, even from a business standpoint. It was simply a desperate
attempt to generate some cash flow. Whether or not it will be successful
in the long run remains to be seen.

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Goober King
Feels so good to be complaining about AWI again! :D
robrod at prism.net

Oct 28, 2002, 12:33am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] > I have sat on the sidelines long enough, and though I would point out to
> whomever might read this at AWI.

First of all, I doubt very seriously that ANYONE at AWI reads these NG's.
If AWI *did* have someone reading them, we'd all be logged into the
ActiveWorlds website and posting to some PHP based message board.

> Alpha Prime has historically been the world of introduction to building
> and community.
>
> I can understand AWI closing the other worlds that they currently own
> to tourist .
>
> These were privately owned by members we now make up AWI, but Alpha
> Prime ... aka AW, was here before they were, and because of its place in
> history, should be viewed by ALL, even the tourist.

VIEWED by all (including the tourist), but have you counted the number of
tourist and NAC objects that serve NO useful purpose lately??? Obviously
not.

In MY tours around AlphaWorld (of which there have been many), I have seen
elaborate builds created by tourists and I've also seen (and had to delete)
objects planted in places by tourists which serve NO useful purpose
WHATSOEVER. In fact, just recently while taking a journey up and down gutz
road, I delete one or two signs created by tourists which were rather
derrogatory in nature and, as such, had no useful purpose being in
existence.

It is for this very reason that AWI currently doesn't allow tourists on
AlphaWorld now, and it doesn't look like they're going to deviate from that
policy anytime soon.

Don't get me wrong I too happen to believe that tourists should be given
the PRIVLEDGE of VISITING AlphaWorld, but NOT to build there. If a tourist
wants to build, he/she can pony up the $$$ for a cit.

> Maybe if tourists could see what can has done, they might decide that
> they want to add to what is there.

Like I said, if they want to do this, they can pony up the $$$ for a cit. I
don't wanna have to be going through town deleting stuff left and right
because of some tourist with a beef against me or anyone else in my town.

I also don't wanna have to be going through town deleting useless stuff
simply because some tourist wants to be ass (or think he/she is doing
something that "cool"). I have better things to do with my time and so does
the GET.

> Should not be a problem for AWI to clear away everything built by a
> tourist, the 1ST of each month :-)

It's funny though, I'm STILL running into objects planted by tourists almost
every time I try to link parts my town with the rest of AlphaWorld. Some of
them I delete, whether it's because of derrogatory reasons, or whether it's
simply because I need to trim a section of some wall some tourist built to
make room for railroad tracks.. And then there are just some objects I
leave alone because they aren't defamatory in nature and I could really give
a rats moo if it's there or not.

The clear and bottom line of this is simple. IF a tourist wants to build on
AW, they can purchase a cit. Otherwise, they should only be allowed to
visit.

Just my opinion...Cheers for now :-)

PC Hamster

Oct 28, 2002, 12:36am

brock <Brock at iceflare.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3dbca6f9 at server1.Activeworlds.com...

> Letting tourists back in there, would just be like, well let's just get
rid
> of tourist restrictions all together, see my point?
>
> On the business side it's just not logical.
>
>
Yes! That is what should be done. Tourists should have access everywhere,
that way they could see the possibilities the software has. Tourists are
allowed in a few worlds at the moment, I do not think it give a wide enough
picture to anyone.
What AW should do is make becomming a citizen so much more attractaive that
ppl would be willing to upgrade to citizens from tourists. Maybe some
nagging irritating banners for tourists (which could bring money for AW),
limited features etc, but I just strongly feel that banning sucks.
These days if I want to show someone my worlds, I have to invite them to my
house and have them visit with my PC and my account, instead of just sending
an e-mail with a link to activeworlds.
So as I see it banning tourists are not at all logic from the business point
of view, and I feel sad seeing aw making suicide with bad marketing, while
the program could be something great and succesfull.

Drac

Oct 28, 2002, 12:40am

Hi everyone

[View Quote] > Personally i don't think it will work this time.
> We have got them to bend on many occasions
> but seeing as Prime is the main building world, the largest.
> Letting tourists back in there, would just be like, well let's just get rid
> of tourist restrictions all together, see my point?

I don't see it as getting rid of tourist restrictions. World Owners would still
maintain this.

> On the business side it's just not logical.

I also wouldn't agree here either as there's a way in AWI could let tourists
back onto AW, but do so WITHOUT giving them building privs. Problem is, AWI
just simply doesn't want to do it.

And because AWI *is* a business, they don't have to do it. It's not a question
of logic, Brock.

Just my opinion...Cheers for now everyone :-)

PC Hamster

Oct 28, 2002, 12:55am

The logic of survival, my friend, is the core of any sound business plan.
:) There are two types of tourists. Those who primarily build, and those
who primarily chat. Chat tourists are just as content to chat and not
build. So letting them in world without building privs is akin to just
letting them in world. I challenge you to find a solution to find a balance
that will benefit the company and allow Chat and Build tourists to
experience AW. I think AWI would have done it if they could.

SW Chris

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Oct 28, 2002, 2:00am

Ever visit AWGZ and see the "If you register to become a citizen" signs?
They are still there!! lmao, that show's how much AWI actually cares about
AW Prime.
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- Syntax -
http://www.swcity.net
http://forum.swcity.net <<< Updated!

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Oct 28, 2002, 9:25pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] > Ever visit AWGZ and see the "If you register to become a citizen" signs?
> They are still there!! lmao, that show's how much AWI actually cares about
> AW Prime.

I have a feeling that, as New AW is rolled out, AWI will eventually let
tourists back on the current AW. Hopefully it will be WITHOUT building
rights.....

Just my opinion....Cheers for now :-)

PC Hamster

Oct 28, 2002, 9:33pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] > The logic of survival, my friend, is the core of any sound business plan.
> :) There are two types of tourists. Those who primarily build, and those
> who primarily chat. Chat tourists are just as content to chat and not
> build. So letting them in world without building privs is akin to just
> letting them in world. I challenge you to find a solution to find a balance
> that will benefit the company and allow Chat and Build tourists to
> experience AW. I think AWI would have done it if they could.

Chris....I have a feeling this whole discussion will be moot once New AW and AW
3.4 is rolled out as AWI won't care about the current AW (see Syntax' post as as
example) because its so OUTDATED. Problem is, they simply can't move all our
cities and towns (at least not very easily) nor does anybody who posts to these
NGs want them destroyed either.

I look forward to seeing the New AW once 3.4 is officially rolled out. :-)

Just my opinion.....Cheers for now everyone :-)

PC Hamster

Oct 28, 2002, 9:56pm

Well, see, that's the crux. It was never intended as a world to move all
the aw former cities and towns to.

SW Chris

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Oct 31, 2002, 3:27pm

hehehehe. Will force AWI to add a minus rights feature to the world rights suc as -0,334303,1,2 etc

- Mark
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Nov 2, 2002, 8:44am

Force them into? It was one of the lowest voted on the vote to see what the
Users want on the next version of the browers.

- Your Favorite Troll

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Nov 2, 2002, 10:57am

And since when did AWI start listening to what the citizens wanted? Infact your post was completly ignorant of the fact that in a previous post it was said building rights would be taken away from just tourists.

- Mark
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Nov 2, 2002, 11:47am

thats because most people would prefer 3 axis object rotation and avatar
skinning, as to minus rights genius. doesnt mean its not wanted, just there
are things wanted more.

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Nov 2, 2002, 2:16pm

I know the feeling. I used to bring people to AW all the time. Now I pretty much feel that I can't. I don't want to invite my friends to someplace where they will feel unwelcome. There isn't even a way for tourists to see what worlds they can enter. It's like trial and error... which may be fine for an experienced AW user, but not for a person checking it out for the first time. I also think that at a minimum, Alpha World should alow tourists. I personally would recommend that much stronger measures than that also be taken to make tourists feel welcome. Even a person doesn't become a citizen, if you make them feel welcome enough to stay they will bring friends who may become citizens. We need to make AW a friendly, inviting place to be or some day it will just fail to bring in enough people to keep it around.

TechnoZeus

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