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Apr 13, 2003, 11:03am

"dion" <Dion at digevo.net> wrote in
news:3e98a7d5 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> If AW's technology was sufficiently upgraded, it would.

I don't think a lot of machines can handle 100k polys in a realtime
environment with a decent framerate. I think this may've been a bit of an
exageration, though. I have often complained about the lack of optimisation
in AW, as it is strangely slow even on powerfull systems that can handle
scenes with greater polycounts much better in other applications. It's no
wonder AW is lagging behind in graphics when you think about the number of
programmers working on it...

KAH

Apr 15, 2003, 1:10pm

"bastillion" <bastillion at charter.net> wrote in
news:3e9bf8ef at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> I have been using the pictwlkh.rwx with a picture saved on a geocities
> site, and it works fine with 3.3
>
> create picture geocities.com/basti_02/bastwalk.jpg
>
> Now, with 3.4.. I don't seem to be loading the picture onto the
> object.
>
> I am walking around The Bastion (world aw 1206.1N 7750.0W 0.4a 0) and
> finding that a LOT of the create picture
> commands are not loading with 3.4.
>
> Anyone else having this problem, or know of a fix?

You'll need to use some sort of proxying device to remove the Referer HTTP
header from AW's HTTP requests. If you ask me, it's not a good idea setting
the Referer header (yes, it's misspelled, but that's how the standard is)
since you can't produce a valid URL to identify the referring location
anyway. They should've invented their own custom header instead, so systems
designed for AW interface could still identify the browser. I believe a lot
of software firewalls also provide this sort of proxying functionality,
check your docs if you've got one.

KAH

Apr 21, 2003, 8:22pm

"defiance" <Defiance at micro$oft.com> wrote in news:3e9c41b4$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Use a PHP override script.

What do you mean? A server side script would have a helpfullness rate of
about 0.00%.

KAH

Apr 21, 2003, 8:35pm

"dion" <Dion at digevo.net> wrote in
news:3e9e0c2a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> I would hope the AW Server isn't running on Windows! :-P

Thank god, the tech guys over at AWI have the wits not to do that. The
high-load servers run on SUN MicroSys SOLARIX (SUN's variant of UNIX)
platforms. I remember E N Z O posted a link to the actual server model
product page a couple of years back when the mobo burnt out.

KAH

Apr 21, 2003, 8:41pm

"lady barbara" <barbeisner at msn.com> wrote in
news:3e9e3c9b at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Hi Tengel!
>
> Now I think we're starting to get somewhere. No, nothing has been
> muted. BUT, I found that the Midi control in the Soundblaster control
> panel is GREYED OUT!!!
>
> Now, things are starting to click inside my head. I recently went
> through some midi files on my computer and let *.mid be associated
> with the Windows Player. Is that the trouble? Should it have been
> associated with Creative's Midi player instead? Or what?
>
> Thanks to you and everybody else helping me with this little
> frustration of mine! :))

Problems with MIDI files won't have anything to do with it, as MIDI files
just give instrumentation for synths, and we're talking WAV files for the
sounds. Do you have anything that might be taking a sound resource (not
necesarily playing anything, but taking the resource anyway), and does your
sound card support full duplex? If not, that would be a clue.

KAH

Apr 25, 2003, 8:47am

"just in" <anon at no.spam..com> wrote in
news:3ea8a162 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Like others have said, I think unowned objects should have their
> fields greyed out, but you should still be able to copy the text in
> their fields. You should also be able to copy an object built by
> someone else (for seeding purposes).

Copying still works, and can be used as workaround for get the action and
description lines in worlds where you have build.

KAH

Apr 25, 2003, 9:01am

"whitestar" <bdale at woh.rr.com> wrote in
news:3ea8a9dd$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

><<snipped crap>>

Oh god, what you're saying makes absolutely no sense, and some parts are
obvious lies. If you've got a problem with Mr Bruce, Defiance or whoever,
deal with it *privately*! We don't want to know about any personal
conflicts, it's got absolutely *nothing* to do with the community, and does
not belong in this newsgroup. I suggest you investigate into the wonders of
email... But since you only seem to be here to make trouble I doubt you
will, since this conflict seems very made up.

Also, learn your capitalization rules, you don't capitalize regular nouns
in the middle of sentences like that (except in German).

KAH

Apr 27, 2003, 8:59am

"dion" <Dion at digevo.net> wrote in
news:3eab4823 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> You can't possibly be holding this against Active Worlds. If you're
> so cheap that you expect AW to spend $9000 plus the annual fee to keep
> the machine powered and hosted on a good server, you're crazy. There
> are tons of expenses AWI has to pay already. Haven't you noticed
> their stock figures? They haven't looked good at all in years.

The stock figures is a thing of the past, and does not have anything to do
with the current AWI. For all we know, things might have turned out very
well for them when they went private again.

KAH

Apr 27, 2003, 9:03am

"dion" <Dion at digevo.net> wrote in
news:3eab2d10$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Complain to the free servers that disallow this sort of thing. This
> is only happening because ActiveWorlds has finally gone to the
> standard that IE, NS, and just about every other browser on the planet
> uses.
>
> I'm sure AW didn't do this just because they wanted to piss you off.

There is absolutely no need for including the Referer header in any HTTP
request. It's an optional header, and since AW cannot really produce a
valid one, it was a mistake to add it to the requests. What they could do
would be to add a custom header (just pop X- in front of the name) with the
AW location so for example OP scripts could identify your location.

The workaround: use a firewall or proxy that lets you remove headers
(Norton, McAfee, the list goes on...).

KAH

Apr 28, 2003, 11:44am

"jerme" <JerMe at nc.rr.com> wrote in
news:3eabcd42$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> The referrer header is a part of the HTTP standard, just like any
> other standard on the net.
>
> There *is* a point for this header. It allows for more security (not
> fool-proof) by letting servers filter based on the referrer. It also
> allows for a little more intuitive log files, for those of use who
> like to analyze those.

You obviously haven't read the standard (like I have many times). It's an
*optional* header, and requires a *valid* URI as referrer. Even if you use
the teleport.cgi URI it still won't be valid, because the document was
*not* referred from a URI, but from an AW location.

Thus, AW is actually violating the standard.

KAH

Apr 27, 2003, 9:06am

"ubermonkey" <henry at wcalliance.com> wrote in news:3eab8b6f$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Oi!
> Here's an interesting one.
> In D3D, starting at 93FPS, still drops directly to 30 and sits there.
> Tried others between 60 and 100, still goes to exactly 30 fps.

Probably because of the setting to keep framerate above $foo FPS.

KAH

Apr 27, 2003, 9:10am

"maki" <maki at awgate.com> wrote in
news:3eab677b at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> just use one of those referer scripts, awtaz.net/p.php.

To still see old pics you'll need to use a proxying device and remove the
header locally. Also, I hope that site has a lot of transfer available :-))

KAH

Apr 27, 2003, 9:12am

"dion" <Dion at digevo.net> wrote in
news:3eab6f2a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Not all ISPs offer it and those that do are reluctant to give it to
> you. You must ask and most of the time, they'll refer you to a free
> server before giving you their space. When you do get a login, it's
> often extremely limited in space and bandwidth. I know I get space
> from Charter Cable but it's like 500k and there's less than 5mb of
> bandwidth. It's just utterly useless.

Over here you get something like 50MB and a fair amount of transfer from
most ISPs (you usually have to activate it, but they do that automatically
for you).

KAH

Apr 27, 2003, 9:21am

"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> wrote in news:3EAB9635.32EF8846 at oct31.de:

> The new HTTP header fields help to protect.
>
> They help to protect artwork on your own object path as well
> as use of free web space that is against the terms of usage
> of free web space providers. The idea for this HTTP referrer
> information even came from wishlist, from people who wanted
> more protection for their artwork, wanted to stop parasitic
> use of their object path or just wanted to send different
> informations depending on the world you're visiting.
>
> It is just good manner to identify yourself when you download
> stuff. Traffic causes costs.
>
> If you want to blame someone, blame the web space providers
> but AW did the correct thing by adding those informations.
> They do what every web browser does and adapted to the common
> standards.

I disagree with you, it was not the right thing to do. There is no way
the browser can generate a correct Referer header, as locations in AW
aren't URIs. The definition of the header is as follows:
Referer = "Referer" ":" ( absoluteURI | relativeURI )

How would AW generate a valid, real absolute or relative URI? Not
possible. So the choice of this header was wrong. Since no headers in the
standard applies to AW's case, they should've invented their own (X-AW-
location or whatnot).

You're still identifying yourself with your IP address, AW never hid it.

I want some way of identifying where the request came from (more
specifically the world, for the reasons you stated), but not in an
incorrect way that also destroys a lot of property from the last seven
years.

KAH

May 2, 2003, 10:27am

"ryan" <ryan_jacob at hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3eb1c918$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> I like the ESRB's
> ratings...http://esrb.org/esrbratings_guide.asp...would be fun to have
> the content discriptors for worlds too hehehehe
>
> *imagines a world rated EC (early childhood)* :)

I don't like them too much. The ESRB rates too strictly, personally I
prefer the ELSPA (European counterpart of the ESRB) ratings, they're simply
age based, and IMHO they rate more intelligently.

KAH

May 2, 2003, 10:36am

"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> wrote in news:3EB1C326.5915501B at oct31.de:

> The poll form seems not to work in Netscape 4.78, IE 5.0
> or Opera 5.0 . What are the requirements?

I noticed some invalid "class" attributes in the <input> tags, seems
related to CSS. Don't see why it's there, the people who make PostNuke
themes don't know their HTML well enough I guess. Reading the stylesheet I
guess it's to counter styling-stupidity in IE.

KAH

May 3, 2003, 9:14am

"goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in
news:3EB2BC7B.6090009 at utn.cjb.net:

> If you're talking about all the /> errors, that's standard PHP
> behavior. Not that I know why it's necessary, but I see it in PHP code
> all over the place. :P

/> is XHTML actually (HTML's mentally challenged cousin). The space in
front of the slash is added for compatibility with older browsers. It's
valid HTML 4.01, and not an error.

KAH

May 3, 2003, 9:21am

"pc hamster" <pchamster at attbi.com> wrote in
news:3eb3325f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Looks as though the Validator needs to be updated to reflect the way
> web pages and websites are made TODAY as opposed to back when IE and
> Netscape were still in 3.x and EVERYTHING was in 16 bit.....

I don't think you understand. HTML is defined by a standard. It's WRONG to
write HTML that doesn't respect the standard. You can make really cool and
great-looking pages while still being 100% standard-compliant. It's all
about skills, you see. Those people who make pages that only work in IE 5+
full of eyecandy are actually completely devoid of skill (except in
graphics).

KAH

May 3, 2003, 9:25am

"sw chris" <chrisw10 at skywalkeronline.net> wrote in
news:3eb2e181$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> The reason I don't do my pages in valid html is because making the
> html valid messes my tables up. :P I expect that it's the same way
> with a lot of other people too.

Uh, no. All the table tricks I use validate fine (some can break NS 4.x
though, but that's not my problem). If you use HTML 4.01 and CSS 2, you can
get some really neat designs that will (should) work in all standard-
compliant browsers. (IE has a tendency to mess some things up, though, but
I did say standard-compliant).

If you think you have skills in HTML authoring, then learn how to use
tables right.

KAH

May 3, 2003, 9:26am

"pc hamster" <pchamster at attbi.com> wrote in
news:3eb3333e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Uhh Wayne (I know 77 personally), I hate to break it to you, but
> there's really not an upgrade past Netscape 7.0 (thank god AOL has
> SOME mercy on our souls :-) *knocking on wood*). *LOL!*

He meant the people on NS4.x should upgrade to NS7 ;-) BTW the latest
version of NS is 7.02 :-D

KAH

May 3, 2003, 9:29am

"pc hamster" <pchamster at attbi.com> wrote in
news:3eb334b6$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Just curious Goober....If AWNews is YOUR OWN website, then HOW is it
> you DO NOT have any control over the registration issue??
>
> FWIW...I registered, but I'm curious...

Because it's powered by the PostNuke CMS. It's generally very easy to
configure, but some things aren't in the config, and trying to enter the
code and make a hack is absolute hell.

KAH

May 3, 2003, 9:32am

"pc hamster" <pchamster at attbi.com> wrote in
news:3eb33814 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> It just goes to show how QUICKLY AlphaWorld was practically abandoned
> at the Corporate level by the old AWCorp and was left that way when
> AWI took over last year.... :-(

There's no difference between the people who ran AW when the company that
owned it was called AWC and the people who run AW now, under the
companyname AWI. In a way, you could say that AWC was the outer shell of
AWI, and that AWI existed all along, inside AWC. What happened last year
was just that AWI "shedded" AWC.

KAH

May 3, 2003, 9:38am

"maki" <maki at awgate.com> wrote in news:3eb33132$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> uhh, have we forgotten that enzo himself has wasted bandwidth in here
> before? posting html, leaving long posts? i thought we had gotten over
> attempting to administrate the newsgroups.

Does that justify it? No!

KAH

May 4, 2003, 8:39am

"johnny b" <jbitt2 at juno.com> wrote in
news:3eb3dfb5$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Sheesh........ this is SUCH a ridiculously stupid, antiquated
> arguement..... if someone is gonna post in HTML, get over it
> everyone.....
>
> It's no worse than you opening a web browser and clicking the link for
> cripes sake......
>
> Enough already with this banality........
> Find something useful to post about people...... PLEASE ?

There is a big difference actually. A newsreader fetches news articles
over the NNTP protocol, and displays them according to standards
regarding news articles. A browser fetches webpages over the HTTP
protocol, and displays them according to HTML standards.

They shouldn't be mixed. NNTP is there for news articles, HTTP is there
for webpages. Neither are designed to do the job of the other.

Anyway, it's mostly MS OE and Netscape that even supports HTML, and
that's a good argument for not using HTML. Don't come here and tell me to
get a new/different newsreader because mine is obsolete, it's not. HTML
support is wrong, and bad, because if people observe that others actually
read their HTML posts they won't stop posting in HTML, and continue the
misuse of NNTP for transfering HTML.

Another good argument is that HTML bloats the post. For a one-line
message, the post becomes at least ten times larger in actual size when
posted in HTML. As Wing pointed out, that could take a long time on slow
connections, and is a waste of everyone's bandwidth.

See what you made me do now? ;-)) You're the one complaining about my
complaining, so don't complain :-D

KAH

May 4, 2003, 8:43am

"the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3eb42429 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> There are people that visit Active Worlds interested in the human
> condition. If these problems aren't addressed fairly and vigorously, I
> intend to find out who they represent and am going to send them all of
> these violations. Nobody should have to be a citizen under these
> conditions.

What? Now you lost me. You also seem to confuse citizen rights in the real
world, and "citizen" rights in AW.

KAH
PS. Please calm down, no need to start a thread every five minutes :-))

May 4, 2003, 8:44am

"defiance" <Defiance at micro$oft.com> wrote in
news:3eb46fd0$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Yeah, it's bottom, not top.

That depends entirely on how your newsreader displays and sorts messages.

KAH

May 4, 2003, 8:46am

"the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3eb42743 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> If I see that guy that talked about human conditions come back to the
> gate, I'm going to talk to him. You post your comments above mine to
> try to not allow my posts to be on top so that people won't read the
> Truth!

You know, it's normal that other people post in a newsgroup. I think you're
beginning to go a bit too far here, this isn't the TheLady newsgroup, it's
community. You haven't got any priority over anyone else in here, and you
do a very good job of flooding the group yourself with your posts every
five minutes.

KAH

May 4, 2003, 8:47am

"elyk" <kfoerst at sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:3eb4954f$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Her old name was Yanst

I doubt it, she hasn't said anything about China.

KAH

May 4, 2003, 4:32pm

"maki" <multi.forum.833647.maki at awgate.com> wrote in
news:3eb53485$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> umm, maybe that applies if you actually cancel your citizenship, but
> most times, your buildings will stay, and indeed will turn to <Not a
> citizen> after a good amount of time, if you do not renew, but i've
> renewed expired citizens months after they expire..

AFAIK there hasn't been a single NAC since 1997 or so.

KAH

May 7, 2003, 6:06pm

"e n z o" <enzo at activeworlds.com> wrote in
news:3eb8003c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> There have been numerous threads lately involving personal attacks on
> at least one of our citizens. While we might not agree with every
> opinion or even the length of posts (and some people may not be very
> "savvy" regarding nettiquete or AW issues/history) we should find
> other ways to ignore people (without attacking them). Look under
> TOOLS or OPTIONS or HELP in your newsreader.
>
> Personal attacks will not be tolerated and will be deleted when found.
>
> Please refrain?
>
> At least three late threads are now deleted... please do not start
> them up again or continue them. If this continues we may have no
> choice but to block posters or close the NG.

Can't say that I've made a personal attack at this person myself, but if
you ask me (and most of the NG crowd) she did pretty much attack the
newsgroup herself. It's important that everyone is treated equally, just
like in real life criminals still have rights. But honestly, please do ban
her or warn her severely, as she behaved very rudely and selfishly, in
addition to having flooded the newsgroup first.

KAH

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