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Jun 12, 2003, 5:45pm

The problem, the lady, is that while you are sifting through the posts,
looking for the keepers, you are only looking for people who think and act
like you do.

Since I have no answers from you to the questions I have asked you in past
posts, I expect I am one of the evil people you seem to need to ignore. You
dont' seem to be willing, or able, to discuss a subject with any one but the
people who think and act like you do.

Personally from what i've seen of your posts, I am thinking that you are an
instagator. And, when you don't get the caotic reaction you are looking for
in one post, you think up another subject to instagate. Take MrBruce's post
for instance, you seem to comizorate with him on his problems. So, he is the
only one you seem to be willing to talk directly to at this time. Why are
you not willing to respond to people who don't share your opinions? That is
what conversation is; shareing opinions and ideas even if they don't really
agree with your own. No offence MrBruce, I am trying to stay out of your
personal buisness.

I personally consider any one who would try to get people to go around
pointing fingers at other people without really giveing detail as to who or
why, and then not responding to them when asked who or why, a coward.

I don't expect a responce from you, the lady, because I am sure you consider
me one of those evil people who need to be ignored just because I don't
share the same opinion as you. And I know you are not willing to open your
narrow mind enough to even think about, or maybe even accept, that some one
elses opinion may be worth considering.

For the record, the lady, I think that some of your ideas are very good
ones. But, you don't seem to want to give details or a sugestions on how you
think the problems you see could be solved. Instead you bring your personal
beliefs in and alienate the readers by preaching and calling people you
dont' agree with evil and not worth associateing with. And when asked for
details and sugestions, it is ignored.

Also you don't seem to be able to seperate the real world community problems
from online community problems. That is also one of the problems you keep
running into. Problems in the online community can not be solved the same
way as in real life. For instance, you seem to like preaching, I still don't
know what religeon you are. And in here you are dealing with a whole lot of
religeons, not just yours. I expect in what ever town you are in, you are
able to get away with the they are evil, we are not, kind of thing, because
you are in a community of your own religeon. One of the things I like about
Aw is that it dosn't matter what religeon you are, it dosn't matter what
color your skin is, it dosnt' matter if you are handycap, and it dosnt'
matter what politicol beliefs you have. What matters here is we are all
human beings, we are the same.

I would really like to get that point across to you so that maybe you will
stop thinking about every one in AW as, me and them, good and evil. Untill
you do get that point, and start leaveing the me and them, good and evil out
of you posts, you will always run into problems getting your point and ideas
across, because just pointing a finger here and thre and saying they are
evil people, or there is a problem cause evil has crept into the community,
will not be accepted here as a valid arguement. Or, at least for me, it
won't be accepted as a valid reason to ignore other people.

Sorry every one that this is so long.

Also sorry about the bad spelling.

Ok, who will be the first to attack this post. Waiting :)






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Jun 12, 2003, 9:25pm

You are right, you did answer that question. And somehow I overlooked your
answer. Just read back through the posts and found it unread. I apologize.

another, I've had trouble maintaining being involved in community oriented
things myself. And I've wondered whether the things I think would help me
would also help someone who attempts to destroy the community. I'm not sure
what the answer is to that question. Maybe it is something similar to what
they did to me after I couldn't get a job in Active Worlds doing anything
because of the problem with my bad reputation. They gave me a lot of
responsibility somewhere else, sole responsibility, not shared
responsibility. There's a big difference. When you have sole
responsibility of something, it gives you much more hope in eventually being
included and accepted by peers that already have shown leadership
capabilities; whereas, shared responsibility still leaves some doubt within
you. Also, It all boils down to what you think of yourself. If you are
solely responsible for your job, there's absolutely no doubt when you've
accomplished it or if it becomes very successful that you did it yourself.
Take that to the next step, when you know you've accomplished something on
your own, what you think of yourself is much more positive than if the
responsibility was shared. The important thing to remember is if this is
done, it must be in a setting where the leader is very trustworthy. Usually
people that have a problem wrecking a community and are not able to feel
included have a very big problem in putting their full trust in leaders,
either because they've been treated unfairly by them in the past, felt put
in compromising situations, or even abused. That leader also must have
flexibility in the ability to allow the troubled person to experiment with
the things that best help them to get their job done. I'm very fortunate in
that the last job I had, no one came and told me I couldn't do this or that
when it came down to how I felt I could best get the job done. Nor was the
leader someone that smashed the law down over our heads. Also, the leader
was vey trustworthy, just right for the job. Regarding negative behaviors
that might arise, there are craftier ways to divert them other than direct
confrontation. Always maintaining positiveness and friendliness upfront,
allowing flexibility to experiment with different ways in getting the job
done, negative behaviors diverted in indirect ways might even help to turn
the punishment into a regular job. The ultimate goal for them is inclusion
and feeling accepted. Then hopefully, the negative behaviors will
cease.<<<<<<<

You are right, in some cases being nice or giveing responsibility to a
trouble maker sometimes dose help. I do practice that option my self. But,
it dosn't help in all cases, and if you are not a world owner there are not
a lot of community jobs to hand out even if that would help.

I'm glad the job they gave you worked out :)

wants to
hear. I used to work for someone when I was younger, that I realize now had
the most wisdom of anyone I'll probably ever meet. Whenever there would be
a new law that affected the business we were in, he'd always say, "It's
probably because someone found a way to abuse the privilege."
Unfortunately, as much as we love our freedom of speech, freedom to change
screen names, etc., it also gives way for us to use that privilege in an
abusive way, unmoral way, a way of avoiding responsibility for our actions,
generally..........in a way to fool someone, the ones we love, the ones we
dislike, those we want to hurt, those we want to get revenge on. But what
we must remember about this online community, is there is a double whammy
involved when we do that. There are always going to be those that have the
ability to watch these actions (by hacking, etc) and use them as evil means.
If we are to survive and flourish as a community, BOTH of these realities
must be taken into consideration, because, unfortunately, if it is not, what
the community is really saying is, "Go ahead evil, you are allowed to rule
this place I love." And what the company is really saying is, "Go ahead
evil, we'll allow you to wreck our business." As a community, WE must
decide the balance.<<<<<<<<,

I do think that you need to stop seeing evil everywhere you turn. It seems
like an obsession. It's not healthy. Most of the stuff you call evil is in
reality normal every day occurances. Most people just deal with it.

But,
was that going too far?<<<<<<<<

Protect it's citizens from what? We were all tourists at one time or another
and I know that no one needed protecting from me :) So, Yes, if that was the
reason the tourists were banned, I think they went to far. I dont' think
that was the actual reason for banning them tho. Either way it went to far.
Without the tourists to continue the groth of the community, the community
will stagnate and eventually die out.

actions,<<<<

What do you consider sever actions?
In a free building world, such as Alpha World, your builds should be safe if
you built as a citizen. If you don't like the conversations people around
you are haveing, you can always leave for a little while till they leave. Or
maybe call a PK. I don't usually hang out in Alpha World but when I was
there I didn't see any sign of anything as bad as, sever actions, so you
will have to clearify that for me, sorry.

community should be given some options,<<<<<<<<

As for a private world we have, as world owners, been given the option to
eject trouble makers. If you are haveing problems in a private world, you
should talk to the world owner.

then ability to vote.<<<<<<<<<

Vote on what? The only vote that would help as far as I can tell is the
ability to vote some ones cit privileges to be revoket to stop the trouble.
For that to happen you would have to get AWI on board with it. I dont' see
that happening. But you can try.

I and a whole lot of other citizens seem to be getting along ok in AW. We
have our share of trouble makers to deal with on occasion. But we seem to
handle it and come out of it ok. It's dwelling on it that dosnt' help. It
just makes the problem seem larger then it really is. I'm not saying that
there aren't problems in AW, i'm saying learn to deal with it and get past
it without starting an uprise over it. If something extreamly serious
happens, then you can always call AWI and talk to them and see if you can
come to a solution with them.

Imagine

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Jun 12, 2003, 9:32pm

We could start a evil people's club. The only restriction to get in is, you
have to be deemed evil by the lady :) Oh what evil we could do if only the
lady would deem us so. lol

Imagine

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Jun 12, 2003, 11:08pm

ok, just for you. If she deems you ungodly, you can squeeze in. :)

Imagine

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Jun 13, 2003, 2:30am

[View Quote] I think you should report hacking to the authoreties. If you can prove a
citizen of AW is hacking, then show your proof to AWI and i'm sure they
would probably stop the cit account of the hacker.
>
> Protecting the citizens from what? AWI said that one of the reasons they
> would not open the worlds to tourists is because they build and leave
> pornography. I would call that a protecting the citizens measure.>

In a publick building worlds like Alpha Worlds, right click and delete when
you see trourist porno. You can do that as a cit. I have seen citizen builds
with porno in them. It isn't just the tourists. If that was one of the
reasons they gave, it was more of an excuse then a reason.

> Regarding the ability to vote. Everyone in public AWI worlds should have
> the ability to vote and have the outcomes implemented. Everyone! >>

Like I said, you would need to get AWI on board with the voteing thing. So
you will have to talk to them about it. Personaly, I think that if we start
voteing on things then sooner or later we would end up voteing on who is
worth being a citizen and world owner. If you don't like the person or
world, then vote it out. No, voteing isn't the way.

This
> place has challenged the rights of free men, women and children!
> Absolutely! Positively!
>
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Jun 13, 2003, 2:17pm

This is why I don't join clubs. They get so complicated :P
[View Quote] This is why only people who the lady deems evil can join. It would be what
ever the lady considers evil.

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> test of everyone wanting to join, and the result would show how many
percent
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> certain percentage would be accepted. Then again people change their
> opinions so the test should be renewed on a regular basis. It would also
be
> possible thet The Lady changed her opinion, that would cause an instant
test
> according to the new standards of evil; it might even result in a
suspension
> of a majority in the club....<<<

Let's hope the lady dose change her opinion. I agree with you that people
aren't 100% evil.
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Jun 23, 2003, 1:47pm

Don't know why it looks crooked. Poor design on the designers part I would
guess. But that line going threw it, is actually part of the blue rectangle
that is in the image. The top of the rectangle is centered in the center of
the AW. Again, just poor design.

Now that your mystery is cleared up, I would like to ask you a few
questions. Why is the poor design of some small image at the bottom of some
help file somewhere so darnd important to you? And if it was that important,
why didn't you just email some one at AWI and ask about it? I have seen that
image before and it didn't really bother me. Why dose it bother you? Don't
you have anything more important going on in your vertual life then to
nitpick over some bad graphic on the bottom of some help page that no one
else but you really cares about?

Imagine :)


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Jun 23, 2003, 9:25pm

Why is this a problem for you? Dose it get in your way while reading the
page? Or are you just focused on it and obsessing over it?
If it dosn't get in your way while viewing the page, then just leave it
alone and move on? :)

Imagine

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Jul 3, 2003, 10:56pm

How do you cross post?

Imagine

Jul 4, 2003, 3:36am

Thanks :)

I'll remember that for next time.

Imagine

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Jul 3, 2003, 10:56pm

I have added a objects page to my site. Right now there is no link to it on
my main site so I will give the url for both my main site and my object site
:)

Here is the url for my objects pages.
http://www.geocities.com/nawehcrafts/index.html

If you have any problems with them I apologize, I just today started useing
the geocities site and have no idea what it will do to the page.

Here is my main site. http://www.naweh.artshost.com/index.html

Imagine

Jul 9, 2003, 11:02pm

Thank you CP :)

Imagine

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Jul 10, 2003, 4:38pm

My world is Image. You are welcome to stop by any time :)

Imagine

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Jul 6, 2003, 3:10am

So, did the community find something discustingly new to dicust you with? Or
is it just the same old discusting stuff you are tired of?

Imagine

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Jul 12, 2003, 7:18pm

I have recently begun to make wicker objects. My first wicker objects are on
my objects page at http://www.geocities.com/nawehcrafts/index.html

Take a quick look :) Follow the links to the page with the wicker.

I am planning to make sets. Like, bedroom and dinning room sets, and even
more ods and ends than are on the page now. I will also considering doing
custom wicker objects or sets. To find out more about that email me at
imagines at joimail.com or tele me when you see me in AW :)

Keep checking back to my objects page for more wicker. I hope to have more
on there by the end of next week :)

Thanks

Imagine

Jul 14, 2003, 1:49pm

Thank you for pointing that out. I'll be changeing the name shortly :)

And, thank you about the chest :)

Imagine <===== Spelled right lol

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Jul 15, 2003, 3:09pm

Yes, I know. I don't usually work with web pages so I just threw an object
page together. I have some one slowely working on a better site for me. It
will be a while before its up.

Thank you for the compliment on the objects :)

Imagine

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Jul 13, 2003, 1:30am

Ok, no prob :)) Lower case it is :)

Imagine

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Jul 20, 2003, 9:00pm

Can we declair independence from the lady?

Imagine

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Jul 25, 2003, 8:25pm

I think AW needs to give an option of being able to turn the murky
underwater off and on. I also think they need to bring the use of specular
lighting back :)

Just my unoficial answers :)

Imagine
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Jul 27, 2003, 3:31pm

Hi echomencer :)

I sent 2 emails to the email link in the post you made for your friend. Both
emails came back. Here is what it said.

When trying to deliver your message, the mail server at ispsnet.net
encountered
permanent problems with the following address:
For <support at spiralmatix.com>, could not look up destination domain
(spiralmatix.com), invalid domain name

I will send you an email with my reply to your friend. Please deliver it for
me :)

Imagine


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Jul 28, 2003, 12:17am

To find the downloadable setup.exe go to http://www.spiralmatrix.com
Then, products, activate, and at the end of the first paragraph on the right
click the HERE link. then scroll down to, here for the 2.8MB setup.exe.
That is the download

Imagine



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Jul 30, 2003, 2:36pm

It looks like the full set is on the site. All you need to do is right click
on each one and do a save picture as, and save it in a folder. :)

Imagine


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Aug 5, 2003, 6:15pm

All the BBB will do is take your complaint and post it on their web site for
people to see if they check out aw. I doubt they take people to court.
Unless you are willing to pay for the procedings.

Imagine

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Aug 5, 2003, 6:04pm

If she is so determind to have her own democracy, then she should be
determind enough to buy her own universe.

Imagine


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Aug 9, 2003, 2:33pm

I wish you all the luck in starting your democracy The Lady :)

They are right, you would have to buy into AWI to be able to get them to
make any real world changes if you did vote on anything. So as far as
getting AWI to go along with your plan I think you are a bit DOOMED.

However; on the bright side :) It could just turn out to be a pretty nifty
AW wide RPG for those world owners who wish to participate :) I don't see
many participateing tho. Well, maybe a few who like to try new things. I
won't of course, cause I am not into RPG. But if an AW wide RPG is what
blows up your skirt, then GO FOR IT :)

Good luck

Imagine


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Aug 12, 2003, 9:24pm

Hi :) I have nopaths, and the nofall1 and a ton of ntnl objects, The ntnl
objects are tunnel parts. I'm not sure but I think they are also nomads.
It's been so long since I got the objects. I also have a ton of textures
for them.

If you would like to come to Image when I am here, I will show you some of
what I have. If it's what you are looking for I will send them to you.

Imagine

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Aug 14, 2003, 5:04pm

Why yes, yes you did :)

Imaigne

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Aug 14, 2003, 3:31pm

Thank you for trying to make the news groups safer for all of us E N Z O :)

Imagine

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Aug 17, 2003, 6:05am

How old is it? My cit there is 30, and I got it a couple weeks ago. Seems
new enough to me :)

Imagine

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