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Apr 24, 2003, 8:06pm

And yes, both allow crap. :p

Chris

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Apr 24, 2003, 10:43pm

Ehm. Speaking as an official "Young person" - yeah, 75% of us do in some way
or another, but the great majority of us get it all out bitching about
teachers and such at lunch. Then, there are crazies like me who think the
only solution to the world's problems is to take over and destroy them by
force.

--Wing
Future Dictator of the World

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Apr 25, 2003, 9:07am

"binarybud" <leo at realPANTStourvision.com> wrote in
news:3ea7de43$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Your generalizing GK's are not ALWAYS bad judges. Yes there are
> some that have no right to judge anyone and others are quite
> professional in what they do and offer. It's just like
> society.....we got a little of everything...:)
>
> as I see it the main problem is the majority of the people visiting
> the gate are in the "young crowd" category...and most of them do not
> like to be disciplined.....they are not into the "authority figures"
> and that is what a GK is....and they have to remember that the only
> tool a GK has to discipline in the Gate is to send that person to
> their room(eject) not really that harmful if you ask me...maybe a
> shot to their ego's....but no harm no foul...:)

Great, BinaryBud is back on his "I'm old and wise, everyone else is young
and clueless" egotrip. Isn't it time they put you in a coffin, gramps?

KAH

Apr 25, 2003, 10:52am

it's your right to disagree with me KAH but when you start knocking my opinions with cuts to my age well that just shows your ignorance. if you would like to argue my comments then i have no problem with that otherwise go fuck your childish, hen pecking attitude dude.

Leo :)


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Apr 25, 2003, 5:46pm

[View Quote] you worry me.

maki

Apr 25, 2003, 6:25pm

Ditto....

Chris

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Apr 25, 2003, 6:27pm

I'm not one to label, but really... watch you're language or it will be yet
another case of black pots and kettles.

Chris

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Apr 25, 2003, 7:00pm

[View Quote] OK, so let me get this straight. It's ok for you to 'knock' peoples' age if they're
younger, but it's not ok for KAH to 'knock' yours?

--Bowen--

Apr 25, 2003, 9:54pm

[Going crazy off-topic here, but this is general.discussion]

One day there will be no reason to worry. WingCorp will have risen, crime,
discrimination, hatred and lemmingism crushed with unstoppable force (Read:
Military action commanded directly by the great Wingian thinkers), the world
united under a single flag, selective education - those not recieving a C or
better average in a modification of the current all-around education will be
forced into the "grunt" labor force, those above a C will choose the field
that they wish to work in and be trained in it for the remainder of their
education, and those with a failing average in the all-around portion of
their education will be... Disposed of.

New diseases that aren't immediately treatable will result in the
extermination of anyone who's infected as soon as it's known that they're
infected (Except a few research specimens) until a cure is developed. Things
such as HIV that cause mass contamination of the population will also,
unfortunately, be dealt with in the same manner, as it is much simpler to
eradicate it than to contain it, especially with human beings being so damn
stupid.

Under the Wingian government, social order and the sciences will be
stressed - and the public given full freedom to do whatever they want so
long as they do not A) Disrupt the scientific process in any way or B) Place
another human being in harm's way. The lengthy process of justice will be
shortened to just a few quick snaps. Regrettably, this will from time to
time result in the execution of an innocent, but ultimately NO criminal will
walk.

The world's communication lines will be restructured and governmentalized -
private corperations simply cannot handle the Internet effectively, and have
failed miserably at integrating today's competing standards.

At birth, every person will be issued three things: An IP address (WingIP
protocol, which calls for a far more secure system based around human DNA -
you have to lick your computer to log on), a WingIP enabled personal
computer (Periodic computer upgrades will be issued for free by the
government, and "Performance" upgrades made purchaseable at a low cost,
although the very upper tier of hardware will be reserved for government
employees and systems), and a voiceprint-activated 9mm handgun (As well as a
government-installed child-proofed security cabinet and firearms training as
a part of the school curriculum). All gun calibers larger than 9mm will be
restricted to government employees and organizations, as will will all
automatic rifles and "other" firearms, and 1-2 shot hunting rifles and
shotguns will be license only. Materials key to making explosives will be
outlawed, except to government institutions. Entertainment will be
regulated - but not for censorship reasons - in fact, anti-Wingian
entertainment will be eligible for government funding (Hollywood always
comes up with novel ways of doing things, and as such, we may find a hole in
the system by watching a movie). The purpose of entertainment regulation is
to prevent a resurgence in lemmingism - shows like "Entertainment Tonight"
will be shut down, entertainment companies will not be allowed to fabricate
musical groups and actors, and entertainment media must be provided
affordably.

Taxation will not exist, as the government will gain money like any private
corperation - except that it will possess every scientific industry and a
large number of production and service industries exclusively.

Money, as we know it will be abolished. Every citizen's universal ID card
will be tagged with a unique code which will correspond to an entry in the
WingCorp databases. Companies will purchase 3 types of credit from the
government to issue to their employees, and minimum purchases will be
established based upon the number of employees - serving as a form of
minimum wage. These credits are for life necessities (food, shelter),
entertainment and licensing (The two are grouped together) and material
possessions (Cars, more than the standard government issue computer, etc.

These credits will then be spent at independent companies or government
institutions, and then the companies will be allowed to either cash them in
or return them to the government for credit. Copmany credit will serve two
purposes - to provide for inter-business commerce and to provide a gauge for
a company's success. It can also be used to purchase services from the
government, as well as the credits to be paid to their employees.

And that's only the tip of the iceburg...

--
Wing
Future Dictator of the World

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Apr 25, 2003, 10:04pm

You're a genius. :)

--Bowen--

Apr 25, 2003, 10:15pm

I don't think there's much the GKs really need to improve on in general.
I think its important they get accross the idea that AWGate is only so
heavily censored because it's the entrance world.

I also think they need better training... one GK I saw wasn't even
prepared when a tourist asked how to change worlds.

Little incidents (e.g. Shiitake Mushrooms) can't be avoided. GKs are
after all only human. They should just keep in mind that this is giving
an impression to every newbie in the room. This is why I think it's
important newbies understand why AWGate is so heavily censored - so that
they don't think AW has a "conversation police force" all over the place.

"elyk" <kfoerst at sbcglobal.net> wrote this
(news:3ea5fcb7 at server1.Activeworlds.com) in general.discussion on 23 Apr
2003:

> Truetome2,
> I remember a while back when there was a GK on duty and another
> tourist was being sexually harrassed, yet the GK was doing nothing
> about it....he/she was constantly AFK which I feel that a GK on duty
> should not have to constantly do unless it is in means of using the
> bathroom. When you are on duty, you must watch for EVERYTHING.....and
> what this specific person was doing was VERY noticable to me and
> several other citizens online that day. As a Co-leader for the
> AWNewbie WK's.....we also enforce that our WK's be strict and that
> they are at GZ at all times....yet we lighten the rules a bit......a
> slip up here and there isn't a definite means for ejection and NONE of
> our WK's verbally harrass citizens or tourists as one of the GK's was
> said to do by calling someone an "idiot." I agree with Bowen and the
> rest on here as they DO have a point. The GK system needs to be
> improved just a bit.

Apr 25, 2003, 10:31pm

What made you choose a C? Is it YOUR average grade?

Why the American education system? I hear people all the time saying that
American schools SUCK. We in Scotland have a good education system...


And what about cats? Will they be brought up to the same level as dogs in
the law? Currently if you run over a dog you HAVE to report it but if you
run over a cat you don't. So unfair. And will cat owners have to be
legally responsible for what their pet does?


How will you dispose of the... disposed? Will you also erase their past,
like in Nineteen Eighty-Four? Will you BURN THEM ALIIIIIVEEE? Or you
could put them in a huge white room and get a guy to chase after them
with a poison dart gun, and broadcast it live on national TV?

"wing" <wing at transedge.com> wrote this
(news:3ea9cacb at server1.Activeworlds.com) in general.discussion on 26 Apr
2003:

> [Going crazy off-topic here, but this is general.discussion]
>
> One day there will be no reason to worry. WingCorp will have risen,
> crime, discrimination, hatred and lemmingism crushed with unstoppable
> force (Read: Military action commanded directly by the great Wingian
> thinkers), the world united under a single flag, selective education -
> those not recieving a C or better average blah blah blah...

Apr 25, 2003, 10:32pm

Yes! RESPECT YOUR DAMN ELDERS.

"bowen" <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> wrote this
(news:3ea9a201 at server1.Activeworlds.com) in general.discussion on 25 Apr
2003:

>
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Apr 25, 2003, 10:49pm

[View Quote] That was a little weird.

> Why the American education system? I hear people all the time saying that
> American schools SUCK. We in Scotland have a good education system...

Yeah and where is Scotland in the terms of world power. ;)

> And what about cats? Will they be brought up to the same level as dogs in
> the law? Currently if you run over a dog you HAVE to report it but if you
> run over a cat you don't. So unfair. And will cat owners have to be
> legally responsible for what their pet does?

Says who? I don't remember ever having to report running over any animal.

> How will you dispose of the... disposed? Will you also erase their past,
> like in Nineteen Eighty-Four? Will you BURN THEM ALIIIIIVEEE? Or you
> could put them in a huge white room and get a guy to chase after them
> with a poison dart gun, and broadcast it live on national TV?

Nuclear Fusion.

--Bowen--

Apr 25, 2003, 10:51pm

[View Quote] What's your proof KAH isn't older? Just because people are older does not mean they
have any more sophistication... in fact the chances of someone younger being more
mature than someone older is pretty high. Compare AWTeen to A!CT or whatever it's
called, or let's compare AWTeen to any world at this moment; AWTeen has the most
citizen participation of any world I've seen so far.

--Bowen--

Apr 25, 2003, 11:50pm

[View Quote] Actually, my current grade is a C, but back at the cutoff age I'm talking
about, I was an A student.

> Why the American education system? I hear people all the time saying that
> American schools SUCK. We in Scotland have a good education system...

The early American educational system uses an excellent, well rounded
subject matter. It's just the method that's all messed up, and it's the
method that will be changed. Decentralization of early education into the
private home, with classes conducted over the Internet will solve all the
logistical problems involved in the current educational system, but
introduce another. Social skills must be developed, and this will take the
form of one month of classroom learning per year, therefore allowing us to
use 1/12th of the resources neccessary to educate everybody using today's
system.

> And what about cats? Will they be brought up to the same level as dogs in
> the law? Currently if you run over a dog you HAVE to report it but if you
> run over a cat you don't. So unfair. And will cat owners have to be
> legally responsible for what their pet does?

Legally, any living thing incapable of breeding with a human (i.e. not a
homo sapien) will be considered an inanimate object and property of whomever
owns it. The owner will have exactly the same rights to it as any of his
other property, and will be considered responsible for any damage his
property does.

> How will you dispose of the... disposed? Will you also erase their past,
> like in Nineteen Eighty-Four? Will you BURN THEM ALIIIIIVEEE? Or you
> could put them in a huge white room and get a guy to chase after them
> with a poison dart gun, and broadcast it live on national TV?

Special executions will be webcast - TV will be taken offline. Criminal
kills will be shipped to a disposal facility, incinerated, and then
eventually the ashes seperated into their individual elemental makeup,
bottled and distributed to scientific facilities. Special cases will be made
for bodies that havn't been totally annhilated by gunfire and they will be
provided to med students as cadavars. Those executed because they are
infected with a disease will have one of two things done to them. They will
either be irradiated and then incinerated, or shipped to a lab to assist in
finding a cure.

Erasure of personal history will take place to a certain extent - their
current records on the WingCorp systems will be deleted, and their accounts
credited 50% back to the government, 50% back to their current employer.
Their government issued property will be located, confiscated and in the
case of the firearm and computer, reissued.

However, massive data vaults will still maintain their records for 10 years
(Unless they are flagged as a special person to the storage systems, then
that data will be stored until 10 years after that flag is cleared).

--
Wing
Future Dictator of the World

> "wing" <wing at transedge.com> wrote this
> (news:3ea9cacb at server1.Activeworlds.com) in general.discussion on 26 Apr
> 2003:
<snip>

Apr 26, 2003, 6:29am

maki <maki at awgate.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3ea990a7$3 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
[View Quote] Just a typical republican....

Drac

Apr 26, 2003, 6:58am

bowen <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> kirjoitti
viestissä:3ea9d78d at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
[View Quote] World power and education are 2 different things. I think it has been proven
that even an imbesill can run a country.
Good education do not equal to which country has the most money to spend on
weapons.
In the PISA research in which 31 countries took part, US students ranked :
reading 15th, math 19th and science 14th.
The countries doing best were Finland, Japan and Korea.
http://www.conway.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm )

Drac

Apr 26, 2003, 10:48am

Now look what ya done, you went and pissed in Leo's cornflakes...... hehehe
High *5's Leo you tell them!!!
You guys go from one bitch session to another in here, someone writes a post
for interest and next thing ya know everyone is attacking it. What's up with
that, have you ever heard the expression "opinions are like asswholes
everyone has them"?
Why beat a dead dog or cat? Just think about this, something my father
always told me..."Believe half of what you see and nothing you hear."

I will admit you guys crack me up, all the way from the crazies to whiners.

No offence meant towards anyone in particular...

My Best,
True

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Apr 26, 2003, 9:37pm

Why have human Gatekeepers at all ? A well programed bot could
probably help newbies more efficiently anyway. Have the volunteer
(with no eject privs) there to aid the really incompetent.






On 24 Apr 2003 13:10:28 -0400, "binarybud"
[View Quote] >I needed to clearify this statement: "AWI needs to figure out how to actually eject/ban someone from a world first...:)"
>this is referring to the technical aspects of an eject. There are ways to actually keep people out once you've ejected and AWI needs to get this figured out. Once this happens eject will become a good tool....
>
>Leo :)
>
>
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Apr 26, 2003, 9:50pm

Because a lot of people are put off by having to talk to a robot.
Never had someone hang up on your voice mail or answering machine?

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Apr 26, 2003, 10:25pm

[View Quote] They can run the country, that doesn't mean they're doing it well. As you duely
noted, booksmarts are not street smarts. It's better to educate with those of the
street than that of the books; unless your goal is to build the most efficient
nuclear reactor.

--Bowen--

Apr 27, 2003, 1:02am

Wing... I never got around to asking... but are these Wingian thinkers...
are they right or left? :P

Chris

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Apr 27, 2003, 1:05am

Oh God... That's frighteningly horrid. You know what's even more scary?
That you took the time to think of it.

SW Chris

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Apr 27, 2003, 1:09am

> AWTeen has the most
> citizen participation of any world I've seen so far

Another reason for SW City to have moved to AWTeen. :)

Chris

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Apr 27, 2003, 3:09am

Not only that the time it took to think of that, but the time it took to
type it!


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Apr 27, 2003, 3:57am

best way to resolve this is for the average cit that gets tired of GKs
behavior is to hang out at the AW GZ then maybe it will become more popular
for grownups to come and not have to worry about power tripy GKs. That is
one reason why I hardly ever go there anymore, and according to a post by
tru2me2 us cits cant help people anyway. Besides that is what the gate is
for isn't it?, is for newbies to come and check it out and i dont see any
reason why a cit that has been here awhile would want to hang out where most
of the time there are nothing but rude tourists or power tripy GKs.
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Apr 27, 2003, 9:26am

"truetome2" <TrueToMe2 at my.activeworlds.com> wrote in
news:3eaa8017 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Now look what ya done, you went and pissed in Leo's cornflakes......
> hehehe High *5's Leo you tell them!!!
> You guys go from one bitch session to another in here, someone writes
> a post for interest and next thing ya know everyone is attacking it.
> What's up with that, have you ever heard the expression "opinions are
> like asswholes everyone has them"?
> Why beat a dead dog or cat? Just think about this, something my father
> always told me..."Believe half of what you see and nothing you hear."
>
> I will admit you guys crack me up, all the way from the crazies to
> whiners.
>
> No offence meant towards anyone in particular...

I don't have a habit of pissing in people's cornflakes :-P

Anyway, I'm just fed up with BB's attitude that older people are much wiser
and generally better than young people. He's shown this several times in
different contexts, and it's just plain ridiculous. So I let him have a bit
of his own medicine, I didn't feel like reiterating my arguments yet
another time, he's heard them before and couldn't care less.

KAH

Apr 27, 2003, 2:06pm

Haven't posted much here in some time, but I'd have to agree with KAH..... Bud / Leo's posts in this thread support exactly what
KAH is saying about generalizing and being negative towards the younger crowd here.

Unfortunately this is far from the first time I've seen this here. Being one of the "older" crowd here myself, I'll say I've met
more young people who are far more enthusiastic, helpful, and eager than most of the adults I see in here on a regular basis........
so this immature kiddie attitude Bud has is quite out of line and downright disrespectful......

These crappy, holier than thou attitudes just don't get anyone anywhere.......



>
> I don't have a habit of pissing in people's cornflakes :-P
>
> Anyway, I'm just fed up with BB's attitude that older people are much wiser
> and generally better than young people. He's shown this several times in
> different contexts, and it's just plain ridiculous. So I let him have a bit
> of his own medicine, I didn't feel like reiterating my arguments yet
> another time, he's heard them before and couldn't care less.
>
> KAH

Apr 27, 2003, 2:53pm

Must be nice to be young and know everything.

Last I checked, participation does not equal maturity. And I don't know
where you got that statistic from, but it's about as far from the truth
as you can get. Older people, by definition, are far more mature than
younger folk simply because they've been around longer and have seen and
learned more than them. Granted, there are some rather immature adults,
but they are far outnumbered by "idiot kids". Just listen in on an
AWTeen GZ discussion or watch A!!CT politics and you'll see what I mean. :P

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Goober King
Old fart
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

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