Cy Nominations Officially Open! (General Discussion)

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alphabit phalpha

Jun 22, 2002, 7:30pm
Hi Everyone:)
Yep it's that time again!
Nominations have officially opened and you can place your nominations at
www.awcommunity.org/cyawards then click on the nominations link.
You may nominate as many people or places as you wish, but please only
nominate once for each person you wish to be a Nominee in each category.
Please make sure you peruse the rules and procedures page also at the Cy
home page. There have been some additions.
Nominations will close next weekend, the 29th, so please don'r miss the
deadline.
After Nominations close, The Selection Committee (whom you voted for) will
view and place their votes during the next month.
You will then come back and vote on the top 5 selected in each category.
And now.....Your Cy Selection Committee Members!:)

Baro
Bille
BinaryBud
Daphne
Eric
Gamecube
Insanity
Nornny
Modred

Thank you for your tremendous support of your Cy Awards and good luck to
everyone!

Sincerely,

The Cy Team

CY's are CommunitY:)

glitter kitty

Jun 23, 2002, 1:51am
I'm curious ... considering the recent questions surrounding Insanity's
credibility/integrity, is it appropriate that he be on the committe? I'm not
arguing for or against, but I would find that those who felt against him
would feel less inclined to participate in the Awards ... and there were an
awful lot of people really upset with him ... hence his presence on the
commitee at the moment would be damaging to a fair awards process. Just a
little politics thought, not trying to drag anything up again. Perhaps he
would demonstrate his integrity and step down from the commitee?

regards

Glitter


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johnny b

Jun 23, 2002, 4:32am
Agreed Glitter........ there's a FEW judges who wouldn't exactly be impartial in MY eyes
either..... might be time to reconsider some new ones..... make the playing field a bit more
level.... can't hardly expect someone who doesn't like you to vote fairly..

Perhaps Alphabit might rethink this a bit...... maybe MORE judges even..... so one or two negative
votes wouldnt disqualify a deserving nominee...... if they weren't particularly liked by certain
judges....

alphabit phalpha

Jun 23, 2002, 9:39am
To those whom feel partial about any members in the Selection team for the
Cy Awards,

First of all, the Selection Team was decided by Community voting (your
voting).
There are very few people residing in Activeworlds that have not had a
confrontation with at least one person in their time spent here. We all are
human.
If the Cys were to take a majority vote and say "Oh no, this person is
wrong for this award", we would be totally disregarding the voting process,
YOUR votes.
There are 9 respected judges representing the Community in their
selections.
Had we taken any of the judges off the list based on confrontations with
others, then we would be stating who was right and who was wrong in each
scenario we see in the newsgroups.
The Cys are non biased and take no sides.
The Selection Team ranges from highly experianced AW Members in
technology and design, to people who are still learning. This range will
allow for a fair voting. The eyes of the experianced, and that of the fresh
new ones also.
From this post forward I ask that this topic not continue in thread, and
we respect and show appreciation to a group of Activeworlds Citizens who
will be investing a ton of their personal time to represent your Community
in thier votes.

Sincerely,

AlphaBit Phalpha

ambivalent

Jun 23, 2002, 9:56am
I swear just yesterday I saw the list of people on the Selection Committee
on the Cy Awards web site, and now I can't find it anywhere. Anybody have
the link?

thanks -
ambi



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glitter kitty

Jun 23, 2002, 10:38am
I certainly don't feel happy to nominate the people I wish to nominate
because I _KNOW_ beyond any doubt that they will not be considered fairly by
at least one of the judges. Whether you can justify the commitee or not is
irrelevant to the fact that _MANY_ people here will feel uncomfortable by
their presence (Insanity is the one I refer to in principle) ... people do
not forget as easily as you seem to .. or at least move forward so soon. If
I am the only one who feels this way then everything is just peachy ... it's
plainly obvious by recent events that I am not. In fact the Insanity
debarcle was undoubtedly the biggest issue the "community" has responded to
in here for a very long time. If you do not address this issue then you will
always mark this years awards as questionable.

> From this post forward I ask that this topic not continue in thread,
and
> we respect and show appreciation to a group of Activeworlds Citizens who
> will be investing a ton of their personal time to represent your Community
> in thier votes.

I accept without question that you are working very hard and I am grateful
for that. However I ask, as a member of the community you claim to
represent, you address this issue and not just sweep it under the carpet.
Please recognise that some of us feel strongly on this issue, and while it
is past, it still is not forgotten.

Consider for the moment a politician. If he is found to be corrupt or
particularly offensive to a large group then he is typically stood aside
until everyone is happy again or the problem is resolved. Imagine for a
moment how we questioned the french and russian skating judges at the winter
olympics ... if they had been allowed to continue then every points award
from then on would lack credibility and we'd all never really know who was
really the best. This is the same sort of thing.

Let's say I wanted to nominate the lovely Ambivalent for example. Are you
telling me that Insanity would fairly judge her contributions? Of course he
wouldn't. Please ask him to demonstrate some credibility and step down.

Anyone in favour of Insanity being removed from the commitee please say Aye!

regards

Glitter Kitty

alphabit phalpha

Jun 23, 2002, 10:44am
The Selection Committee Members will be added today. They have not been
placed on the Cy pages as of yet, due to time facters and getting the
nominations pages prepared and available.

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ambi



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alphabit phalpha

Jun 23, 2002, 11:03am
glitter kitty,


"If you do not address this issue then you will
always mark this years awards as questionable."

The Cys will not "take sides" in a dispute.

"I accept without question that you are working very hard and I am grateful
for that."

My comment was that the Selection Team will be working very hard giving
thier time to vote fairly.

"However I ask, as a member of the community you claim to
represent, you address this issue and not just sweep it under the carpet."

Nothing regarding the Cys is simply "swept under the carpet" sweetie:)

"Please recognise that some of us feel strongly on this issue, and while it
is past, it still is not forgotten."

"some".....majority votes prevail.

"Consider for the moment a politician. If he is found to be corrupt or
particularly offensive to a large group then he is typically stood aside
until everyone is happy again or the problem is resolved. Imagine for a
moment how we questioned the french and russian skating judges at the winter
olympics ... if they had been allowed to continue then every points award
from then on would lack credibility and we'd all never really know who was
really the best. This is the same sort of thing."

No...it is in no way similar.

"Please ask him to demonstrate some credibility and step down."

We will NOT do that based on a scenario that the Cys are not involved in.

Anyone in favour of Insanity being removed from the commitee please say Aye!

Attempting to do a fair voting process with only the use of this newsgroup
to get the word out, is totally unfair and ridiculous.
As I mentioned before, the Selection team was chosen by the Community
thru a fair voting and nominating process.

That attempt to have him removed will not even be considered.

From this point forward I will not reply to your concerns regarding this
matter.

Sincerely,

AlphaBit Phalpha

glitter kitty

Jun 23, 2002, 11:30am
> The Cys will not "take sides" in a dispute.

When the judges are on one side and the nominees are on the other then
whether you believe it or not then there ARE sides and they have been taken

> "However I ask, as a member of the community you claim to
> represent, you address this issue and not just sweep it under the carpet."
>
> Nothing regarding the Cys is simply "swept under the carpet" sweetie:)

Please do not patronise me with your overtones ... I don't appreciate it
"sweetie" ... if you fail to address the issue with anything other than
complete ignorance then it is being swept under the carpet whether you
believe it or not.

> "some".....majority votes prevail.

As far as I understand (though I could be wrong) nominations for comittee
closed before this issue ... so the past majority is no longer
representative.

>
> "Consider for the moment a politician. If he is found to be corrupt or
> particularly offensive to a large group then he is typically stood aside
> until everyone is happy again or the problem is resolved. Imagine for a
> moment how we questioned the french and russian skating judges at the
winter
> olympics ... if they had been allowed to continue then every points award
> from then on would lack credibility and we'd all never really know who was
> really the best. This is the same sort of thing."
>
> No...it is in no way similar.

It most certainly is ... do you think the average community member would
consider Insanity could fairly judge Ambivalent? Considering his very recent
treatment of her since this debarcle (not for me to provide details
unfortunately) it is very clear he is going out of his way to cause even
more harm still ... but I doubt you are privvy to that information or I
wouldnt be having this conversation with you.

>
> "Please ask him to demonstrate some credibility and step down."
>
> We will NOT do that based on a scenario that the Cys are not involved in.

They are having their credibility damaged ... that makes them involved ...
again whether you believe it or not

> Anyone in favour of Insanity being removed from the commitee please say
Aye!
>
> Attempting to do a fair voting process with only the use of this newsgroup
> to get the word out, is totally unfair and ridiculous.

Why is it unfair ... are we suddenly not entitled to express our opinion?
Perhaps if the community you claim to represent voiced similar opinions then
you might listen a little more ... I am but one voice speaking quietly.
Perhaps its true one person cannot make a difference. I however believe they
can ... or I wouldnt be asking Insanity/Filmkr to step down. I do notice hat
he has so far not made a response.

> As I mentioned before, the Selection team was chosen by the Community
> thru a fair voting and nominating process.

So were the russian and french judges ... until they were shown to be
biased. Do you think Insanity has such an unbiased credible reputation? I
certainly don't. But hey they are your awards ... not the community's
anymore.

>
> That attempt to have him removed will not even be considered.

As I said.... your choice to sweep it under the carpet is your choice.

> From this point forward I will not reply to your concerns regarding this
> matter.

I thought only emus hid their head in the sand? Sorry Alphabit but I am not
a sheep that can be herded into the corner and trampled into silence. God
gave me a voice and the right to use it.

Glitter

johnny b

Jun 23, 2002, 11:54am
Again, Glitter put it quite correctly.

Alphabit, we KNOW you work quite dilligently on the CY's ( lord knows this is NO small undertaking )
and I also, can appreciate your devotion and hard work. BUT, you must admit, there ARE quite a few
instances in which certain judges ( and I'm not just referring to insanity ) would be "tainted" so
to speak.

As we all can see in the newsgroups, and perhaps NOT see in the actual day to day "in world"
happenings, There've been many more instances than any reasonable person would accept as just your
definition of "confrontations" We're not talking about every day disagreements here. We're talking
about protracted, continuous, deep seated issues here. How can you expect someone to get a fair
shake, when a judge clearly and unequivocally has a demonstrated dislike or prejudice for a nominee
? This is considered a conflict of interest. In the real world any judge who had connections of
such sort with a person under scrutiny, would be asked to recuse themselves from such a position.
Or, at least, they'd have the foresight and wisdom to do so BEFORE being asked. Though that would
require great maturity and moral character. ( but that's why they ARE judges, right ? )
Unfortunately, there are a few in this "community" who lack such blessings..... and this is the
reason I must question the validity of some judges and the correctness in leaving them in position
despite previous knowledge OF such prejudices and/or conflicts. This is precisely WHY in the real
world, we have inquires and confirmation hearings BEFORE a judge is put in a position of power......
and WHY in a juried legal case they also have hearings and interviews as to the credibility or
prejudice of the jurors involved.

Again, I reiterate, this is NOT a questioning of YOUR devotion and hard work. Rather a concern over
a very basic idea that if someone doesn't LIKE you, basically, you're not going to be judged fairly
and impartially. I too can think of certain persons I would consider very worthy of nomination for a
CY but am quite hesitant do DO so, because of just such reasons...... I am quite sure there are
many here with a similar view of this.

In my opinion, If you've been elected a judge and you have had any conflicts, serious disagreements,
or negatively biased altercations with a nominee, recuse yourself from voting ....... Do the
mature and correct thing. Do not taint the credibility of the CY's for personal glory, self-serving
aggrandizement, or whatever reason.

johnny b

Jun 23, 2002, 12:36pm
My thoughts below.....

> "However I ask, as a member of the community you claim to
> represent, you address this issue and not just sweep it under the carpet."
>
> Nothing regarding the Cys is simply "swept under the carpet" sweetie:)

Is this not JUST what you're doing ?? No disrespect intended but when you turn a blind eye to
mitigating factors and continue on nonetheless, is this NOT considered "sweeping it under the
carpet" ??? I think you'd be hard pressed to prove otherwise... and the "sweetie" comment was
wholly unnecessary... can easily be recognised as being patronizing and condescending..... not a
nice thing


> "Consider for the moment a politician. If he is found to be corrupt or
> particularly offensive to a large group then he is typically stood aside
> until everyone is happy again or the problem is resolved. Imagine for a
> moment how we questioned the french and russian skating judges at the winter
> olympics ... if they had been allowed to continue then every points award
> from then on would lack credibility and we'd all never really know who was
> really the best. This is the same sort of thing."
>
> No...it is in no way similar.

Well, this is EXACTLY the same thing........ this is a credibility issue...... can you not (or
won't) see that ??


>
> "Please ask him to demonstrate some credibility and step down."
>
>We will NOT do that based on a scenario that the Cys are not involved in.

This is EXACTLY what the CY's are involved in...... this IS the community....... and any situation
CONCERNING the community, MUST be addressed, to do otherwise is just plain irresponsible.... Think
of it this way...... If say, I was a judge, and I had to vote for say, Eep, in a category...
someone who attacks others regularly and visciously, due to my general distaste for his personality
and repulsive manners, would you NOT question my fairness in such a vote ?? If you DIDN'T, You'd
be hard pressed to maintain YOUR credibility.... see my point ?


>
> Anyone in favour of Insanity being removed from the commitee please say Aye!


I think perhaps a more correct way to resolve this dispute, would be to elect one or more
"alternate" judges and have them "stand in" for any judges who have a demonstrated, personal affront
to the nominee at hand, for that particular vote, no need to remove them from ALL voting
instances......

I feel this a fair and responsible compromise.....

>
> Attempting to do a fair voting process with only the use of this newsgroup
> to get the word out, is totally unfair and ridiculous.
> As I mentioned before, the Selection team was chosen by the Community
> thru a fair voting and nominating process.
>
> That attempt to have him removed will not even be considered.
>
> From this point forward I will not reply to your concerns regarding this
> matter.

Pretty smug here....... dismissing someone's opinion so arrogantly does not show wisdom and
maturity..... Might want to reconsider the way you reply to people..... Glitter has a VALID
concern, which she voiced maturely, responsibly and respectably ( without profanity, nastiness or
starting a "flame war" ) and you respond with condescension ?? :O/ not nice

>
> Sincerely,
>
> AlphaBit Phalpha
>
>

bowen

Jun 23, 2002, 2:07pm
I agree with GK, in my opinion, Filmkr/Insanity wouldn't be unbiased. I
have also heard what he's been doing to ambivalent. *expects a chime in
soon from our new friendly neighborhood troll*

--Bowen--

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ambivalent

Jun 23, 2002, 2:08pm
Here's the real rub for me. There are people in AW who are extremely
talented and hard working, and very much deserving of community-wide
recognition for that talent and hard work. Many of these people are friends
of mine, and/or have supported me throughout Insanity's recent harrassment
etc of me. Insanity knows that many of these people are my
friends/supporters. He's shown himself to be unethical, hostile, and
seemingly unable to separate paranoid fantasies from reality. I say this
not as an insult, but most sincerely as a serious fact to be considered.
This is certainly strong evidence that he will likewise be unable to
separate his same problems from his responsibilities as a member of the
selection committee.

Insanity was voted by the community onto the selection committee. But,
unfortunately, voting took place (June 1) before people became aware of the
incidents taking place with me (I didn't post till June 5). Posts that
occurred during the voting period were only for a few days at the end of
voting, so people probably voted before they knew what was happening. Posts
were only to the worldbuilders newsgroup, so the community at large (the
majority) probably to this day don't know what Insanity did (and continues
to do) to me. So you have people voting completely unaware of his immoral
character. Then you have people who voted while aware of the situation, but
before enough information was made available that they could make an
informed decision.

Based on all that, in retrospect, I would think that a sizable number of
people, quite possibly the majority, would at this point vote differently.

I'm not pleading for myself -- I neither need nor want an award -- but for
the hardworking, talented artists and technologists in AW, who deserve
community-wide recognition. They deserve a fair chance at the recognition
they've earned.

I plead for a re-vote on the selection committee. I'm sorry, Johnny, but I
don't think alternates would work, because there really is no way to know
who Insanity knows, let alone who he thinks in his paranoiac fantasies, is a
friend/supporter of mine.

If the CY awards are governed by the community, let the community speak, be
heard, and decide.

johnny b

Jun 23, 2002, 2:27pm
Sure he isn't having some more "SERIOUS CARDIAC SURGERY" with a curiously short hospital stay there
after ?? :O/

Better take it easy....... don't wanna KILL the guy this time......
he might need ANOTHER name to post with.... and someone who, quite interestingly, writes replies a
little TOO similar to him ( while he's supposedly in the hospital )

New Cits are expensive nowadays ;O)

JB

johnny b

Jun 23, 2002, 11:59pm
Still waiting for a reply...... How can you expect people to take you seriously when you run and
hide if someone brings up points contrary to YOUR opinions.... Guess we know who the CY's are
really all about..... :O/

There goes the notion of "Community" ........ Pretty disappointing

goober king

Jun 24, 2002, 2:02am
Rather than reply to everyone individually, I'll post to the original
thread...

Whatever Insanity did to Ambivalent (I'm not a subscriber to the
worldbuilders NG) obviously ruffled a few feathers. And given Insanity's
past track record regarding such things, (to which I have personally
been witness) I would be inclined to agree that Insanity cannot be
trusted for an unbiased opinion.

However, it's precisely *because* of Insanity's past track record that I
feel I must side with Alphabit on this one. I think it's safe to say
that Insanity's methods of dealing with his customers and with other
people is no secret. Yet despite his long, well-documented history, he
still managed to get enough of the popular vote to get on the committee.
Obviously, the majority felt it either wasn't important, or didn't
have anything to do with nomination selections. Whatever the reasons, he
got on the committee via democratic process, fair and square, deal with it.

You people talk about alternate judges and such and comparing this to a
court judge, but you have to remember three things: 1) This is the CY
Awards, not a trial. The decision Insanity hands down on a nomination is
not life or death, 2) It's all subjective anyway and, 3) there are
*eight* other judges that assist in making the nomination decisions.
They could all easily vote against what Insanity decides and the person
will get nominated anyway. And while Insanity may not be above trying to
sway the opinions of other members, I sincerely doubt he has enough pull
to sway the majority of the committee.

So there you have it. Insanity's in the committee and I'm sure this will
make the nomination process interesting, to say the least. However, I'm
sure that AlphaBit, along with the rest of the committee, can recognize
bias when they see it, and act accordingly. Only time will tell if
Insanity can truly put aside his differences and work for the greater
good...

[View Quote] > Hi Everyone:)
> Yep it's that time again!
> Nominations have officially opened and you can place your nominations at
> www.awcommunity.org/cyawards then click on the nominations link.
> You may nominate as many people or places as you wish, but please only
> nominate once for each person you wish to be a Nominee in each category.
> Please make sure you peruse the rules and procedures page also at the Cy
> home page. There have been some additions.
> Nominations will close next weekend, the 29th, so please don'r miss the
> deadline.
> After Nominations close, The Selection Committee (whom you voted for) will
> view and place their votes during the next month.
> You will then come back and vote on the top 5 selected in each category.
> And now.....Your Cy Selection Committee Members!:)
>
> Baro
> Bille
> BinaryBud
> Daphne
> Eric
> Gamecube
> Insanity
> Nornny
> Modred
>
> Thank you for your tremendous support of your Cy Awards and good luck to
> everyone!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Cy Team
>
> CY's are CommunitY:)
>
>
>


--
Goober King
Leave it to a Goober to be the voice of reason...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

glitter kitty

Jun 24, 2002, 2:23am
> Obviously, the majority felt it either wasn't important, or didn't
> have anything to do with nomination selections. Whatever the reasons, he
> got on the committee via democratic process, fair and square, deal with
it.

That's probably more the point ... only a very small percentage of ppl
actually voted for ppl to be nominated ... thats why as democratic as it is,
it still is very misrepresentative. It's important for Insanity to sit on
the committee because he uses that as leverage to convince people that his
rip off company is trustworthy by the community when it clearly isnt. He
doesnt sit on this for helping the committee .... he sits to further his own
selfish cause. Did ambilvalent ever get her refund that he said in here that
his company would give? Or did he lie yet again to line his own pockets?
Remember that a committe is only as credible as its members ... its this the
credibility of the Cyawads? I was hoping it would be a little more upfront,
rather than trying to sweep it under the carpet so quickly ... while I hate
to even suggest it, I'm starting to wonder what Alpha is getting from
Insanity to let him get away with this? It's probably innocent and above
board but to me it smells fishy ... maybe I'm just paranoid but you cant
help think it.

> So there you have it. Insanity's in the committee and I'm sure this will
> make the nomination process interesting, to say the least. However, I'm
> sure that AlphaBit, along with the rest of the committee, can recognize
> bias when they see it, and act accordingly. Only time will tell if
> Insanity can truly put aside his differences and work for the greater
> good...

This is just the point again ... Alpha only seems to see what she wants to
see ... she will never see bias because she cant accept that it might be
possible or has some other incentive to ignore it. These awards, as you
highlightled, will be the opinions of just a few people and forever after
the results will be tainted ... it wont make the process interesting ... jus
t very much abandoned by a disillusioned bunch of people who once believed
Alpha had the integrity to make the community stuff balanced

Glitter

alphabit phalpha

Jun 24, 2002, 2:46am
Ok glitter kitty,

You continued to gram me even after I requested you don't and warned you
I would block your grams, which I did:) Dang I love that feature!
Anyways.....one very important gram I would like to copy and paste in
here to prove my point.
Actually I only need to quote you on 6 words in that gram.
"I have no fight with insanity"
After the above post, I rest my case:)

glitter kitty

Jun 24, 2002, 2:50am
Something interesting on the Cyawards is that it is sponsered by Goober's
news site and that another sponser (http://abn.ablivion.net/) carries
Insanity's advertising on it ... not trying to accuse anyone of anything,
only highlighting some associations. You know it makes me wonder how
insanity got those past CYawards ... kinda like the US govt ... best
decisions money can buy!

Glitter

glitter kitty

Jun 24, 2002, 3:02am
You never ever requested me not to gram you ... it seems you are a liar as
well? You did say you would block me after I asked you a question and you
did ... while continuing to send me threatening telegrams ... I don't
understand why you would do such a thing if there was no problem as far as
you were concerned. Why are you so massively defensive about this? What are
you hiding?

Your quote is only a partial quote and out of context also .... I said that
my problem was not with insanity but in how his presence affected the
appearance of the cyawards in its entirity ... i believe all my posts to
date have reinforced this.

You also said you had filtered out my address from newsgroups and that you
no longer wanted to see any of my posts ... other than being very very
childish you are shown to be lying yet again as you continue to read my
posts ... well I assume you read them because you said the issue was closed
as here you are responding again! What is the matter with you? You are
proving to be more of a liar than Insanity!! This is such a pity ... I used
to hold you in such a high regard ... all I wanted was that you reconsider
the appointment of someone who may compromise the validity of the awards ...
had you just said "hmmm I'll consider it" then later said "no" I would have
been happy. Seems Insanity's bias is not the only thing in question anymore
....

..... so how much is he paying you to get a vote?

Glitter

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eric

Jun 24, 2002, 9:10am
I don't get all this paranoia, but I just want you to rest assured that I,
(and I think I speak for everyone when I say) as well as the other members
of the committee (i know a few of them), are in nobody's pocket. I for one
will vote based on which entries I find most deserving by my standards and
by the standards set by the cy awards.. _not_ because someone whom I don't
know starts trying to get me to dislike people. I would greatly appreciate
it if you could, please, sum up this discussion because it seems that
everything there is to be said has already been said, and anything further
would just be flaming.

No offense intended,
Eric


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ambivalent

Jun 24, 2002, 9:11am
> selfish cause. Did ambilvalent ever get her refund that he said in here
that
> his company would give? Or did he lie yet again to line his own pockets?

No, Kitty, Insanity has emailed me more than once to state emphatically that
not only will will he not refund my money for hosting services, but that he
also will neither refund the $160 I paid him for avatars, nor will he
deliver the avatars. I'm sure most of you know that taking money in return
for goods, and then not delivering those goods, is fraud.

Insanity has further, just this past week, given away one of the custom avs
I bought from him for exclusive use in my world.

Not only have I been subjected to his theft, fraud, and license violations,
but he continues to barrage me with abusive and threatening emails.

The man is among the worst of what humanity can sink to.

glitter kitty

Jun 24, 2002, 9:34am
> Insanity has further, just this past week, given away one of the custom
avs
> I bought from him for exclusive use in my world.
>
> Not only have I been subjected to his theft, fraud, and license
violations,
> but he continues to barrage me with abusive and threatening emails.
>
> The man is among the worst of what humanity can sink to.

.... and this is the man whom Alpha thinks is appropirate to judge the
standards of the community

As they say ... you spend enought time around sh*t and you start to smell
like it. ;-|

Glitter

johnny b

Jun 24, 2002, 9:45am
Amazing he hasn't had more "SERIOUS CARDIAC SURGERIES" over this ...... Very interesting
indeed........ you'd think all this controversy woulda killed the poor guy by now........ well,
hell, I guess that two day bed rest patched him right up :O/ I need HIS doctor... guy performs
outright MIRACLES....

Now he's back to his little intimidation games again, huh ? Figures........ Real tough guy you are
there Insanity....... fighting for your life yet you STILL have plenty of strength a couple days
later to fire off some abusive emails, huh ? will you EVER learn ?? lying and cheating ppl just
ISN'T nice and isn't just forgotten.........

absolutely disgusting.......

alphabit phalpha

Jun 24, 2002, 10:16am
Hi Eric:)

Sorry this whole mess had to involve you.
Thank you for statements in your post here.
They are true , however there is no way to convince closed minds.
It seems the bitterness that exists in this scenario will just continue,
while attempting to pull the Cy Awards in with it.
Once again, we will not let that happen.
As much as I "personally" would love to have a go at this thread, since
I represent the Cy Awards, I will have to bite my lip....ouch!:)
I will ask that this thread have no effect on the upcoming voting
process, when the Community places their votes.
I don't think people realize that negativity like this effects ALL
involved.

Thanks again:)

Bit:)

bowen

Jun 24, 2002, 1:16pm
I don't remember seeing a voting option or being told I could vote on these
people.. prehaps that might've chaned the outcome just a tad.

--Bowen--

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ananas

Jun 24, 2002, 2:57pm
It has been there for about a week, on a link "Voting" that
went to http://www.awcommunity.org/cyawards/voting.html

Maybe not the best name for this link, because it could be
easily confused with the voting for nominated entries.


I think it would be a good idea for the next time, to split
the links list to the left into sections, like

Current Awards
==============
Calendar
Sponsors
Procedures
Rules
Forum
Contact

Committee
=========
Nominations
Voting
Members

Entries
=======
Nominations
Voting
Results

Past Awards
===========
History
Receipients
Album


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bitmaster

Jun 24, 2002, 8:26pm
Hi Glitter Kitty and those concerned,

I have been silent up until now. Your ranting of conspiracy is far from
the truth and therefore makes me wonder who should be in question here.
I have heard many things and I will not defend nor will I push out what has
already been done and knowing more about backgrounds than you can ever
imagine, I do believe you are stepping out of bounds.
I am however truly sorry that people cannot trust in those that are
willing to NOT take sides on personal issues that should NOT concern them as
a whole. We cannot play judge in a matter of personal dispute until the
person in question directly shows the Cy Committee that they are not
qualified upon their actions on the Committee. So far I have only seen a
few people that have been directly involved posting in protest against an
individual for reasons that I cannot base a persons expectations in a
position that has already been voted in by the community by those that have
been keeping up with it. If we were to respond to every protest that one
individual or small party has against another individual, we would probably
run out of candidates really quick.
I do appreciate your concerns in this matter and am truly sorry that you
have conflict with one of the judge members, but we cannot base a handful of
people as being the representatives of an entire community. I wish there is
something I could do to make this easier for all parties concerned, but I
cannot find anything in my pocket to remedy this.
I know I have not said anything to change your thoughts, but I do hope
that you understand that I do trust in AlphaBit even if at times she might
get a bit frustrated and respond on a personal level.. I guess she's human
too..
Now here is something I wasn't going to share with you and the rest, but
thought it only fair to you and AlphaBit that I did. She DID ask me for my
thoughts on this subject for she was concerned for the very reasons that has
happened here in the NG's. I basically said, "Oh well. We'll see what
happens. It should be interesting. " With that statement, I merely meant,
what is done is done and we can't let the personal feelings of a few
interfere with the outcome. This doesn't mean we won't keep a watchful eye
though. ;)

Thank you for reading.
Bits

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goober king

Jun 24, 2002, 8:47pm
Now I'm starting to wonder about *your* sanity level, Glitter. Grasping
at straws, are we? Well, to put your paranoid mind at rest, I'll have
you know that I've been at odds with APB just as often as I've supported
her. Not only that, but, if I recall correctly, she's been at odds with
Insanity before as well. I'm sure she knows full well what she's dealing
with and can handle it.

And as for all this talk about "sweeping it under the rug", the only
reason she doesn't want to talk about is because you people have already
said your piece. She has heard your arguments, considered them, and said
"No, Insanity's staying." Since these NGs are not a real-time
communication system, she's had plenty of time to consider your
arguments before replying to your post. It would seem that it is *you*
who are having the problem with dealing with that decision.

If you want to have some silly boycott or whatever of the CYs because of
this, fine, that's your business. But to somehow imply that she is not
only trying to cover-up some sort of conspiracy (as well as implicating
others in this "cover-up"), but also taking bribes/kickbacks/whatever
from Insanity, is not only false, but borders on libel and slander,
which easily puts you in the same camp as Insanity. I don't think you'd
want that, now would you?

[View Quote] > Something interesting on the Cyawards is that it is sponsered by Goober's
> news site and that another sponser (http://abn.ablivion.net/) carries
> Insanity's advertising on it ... not trying to accuse anyone of anything,
> only highlighting some associations. You know it makes me wonder how
> insanity got those past CYawards ... kinda like the US govt ... best
> decisions money can buy!
>
> Glitter
>
>
>


--
Goober King
He's rolling in the irony right now...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

johnny b

Jun 24, 2002, 8:49pm
Bitmaster,

Well, it doesn't change my views on the situation but I'd like to thank you for telling the whole
story...... had that been done before, this might have followed a different course....... I
personally feel that a tainted or prejudiced judge should be removed from the particular vote in
question. Especially considering how seriously many in here take the CY's, AVVY's and such....... I
mean, if it came down to a 1 vote difference, and there was a question regarding ANY judge having
had problems with the nominee, I think you can see my point........

Anyways, as you put so well, there IS no easy solution.......... I just hope those who deserve to
win, do.......

JB

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