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Jun 28, 2002, 2:54am

Yeah I'm not all with it today ;) excuse that. Three days of utter boredem
do that to you.

--Bowen--

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Jun 28, 2002, 2:55am

Maybe he studdied law in the US?

--Bowen--

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Jun 28, 2002, 2:58am

Perhaps if you read the post Rashal had made, many of these do fall under the hate post
category.

- YP

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(on holiday and posting via dial up(yuk) so cant reply as quick as before)


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Jun 28, 2002, 3:16am

Could I suggest that this situation might be resolved by the following ...

The two parties sit down in the same world and, politely, discuss their
differences one last time in a meeting presided by bitmaster (he seems to
have the support of both sides to a degree) and come to a resolution which
would involve some (partial) refund or deliverance of goods if found
appropriate.

Perhaps the community does need a person of balance and integrity to help
with small community disputes such as this in the interests of goodwill.
Perhaps the person could set up a kind of charter by which hosting
providers, avatar makers, model builders, etc would agree to and in return
get some little badge to put on their site which says they're a member of
that community charter (sort of like a baby industry standards group). A
newbie could see the badge and feel safe buying from that provider. You know
the sort of thing

Hopefully this will need to be the last thing I post ... I'll leave it to
the three parties above to discuss ... if you want my help I'll be happy to
give it.

Glitter

(on holiday and posting via dial up(yuk) so cant reply as quick as before)

Jun 28, 2002, 3:22am

Actually I used to run a very large server array and hosting in Dallas, TX
.... when you do that remotely and operate a business from outside of a
country you find yourself with sh*t loads of papaer work and legal
documentation. Its far easier for your consumer advocate to post you a copy
than it is for me to photocopy my stuff and send it all the way to the US
(no I dont have a working scanner atm).

I did not learn off a site. I learned from many years of business practice
with other countries . I did it the hard way. I have even at times had a
lawyer on staff (my last business prior to retirement)

Glitter

(on holiday and posting via dial up(yuk) so cant reply as quick as before)

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Jun 28, 2002, 3:27am

His post was very appropriate and in relevent context .... you cannot
interpret it outside of that context. While the desire may be there to do so
to argue a certain side, the interpretation must stay within the context of
examining the business practice of an individual as it moves to credibility.
That is due process ... not hate crime. For example I could say "Mr Smith is
a dick" ... without keeping that in the context of a discussion it could
mean anything and be open to all sorts of interpretations.

Mr Smiths first name could be Richard
Someone might 'hate' Mr Smith
The people using the statement could be doing so in mately jest

I think you get the point ... just because Mr Smith does not like what he is
reading does not mean its intent is a hate crime. The key phrase here is
"context toward intent" ;-)

Glitter

(on holiday and posting via dial up(yuk) so cant reply as quick as before)

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Jun 28, 2002, 3:27am

Maybe SHE watches too much LA Law or whats that other one on TV with the
arrogant DA now?

Nup niether ... just been subject to having to sign off on sooooooo much
consumer stuff having run a foriegn owned business. The laws travel even
beyond the shorelines of the good ol' US of A ;-)

Glitter

(on holiday and posting via dial up(yuk) so cant reply as quick as before)

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Jun 28, 2002, 6:02am

Not to appear rude by any means, but in my opinion a much better suggestion is
for you to mind your own business.
I am not the first to suggest this to you...
I say this because you started trash mouthing some of the leading members of the
AW community and showed them very little to no respect.
So when you mention things like the community needing something I cannot respect
your voice seeing how you have trashed what the community has decided as well as
it's leaders.
The only point I have been able to sum up from all of this is that you had a
personal vendetta to prove since you have ignored so many people who posted all
along this past week telling you to quiet your ranting.
Bear in mind that your ranting is solely based on gossip and an agenda fueled in
Hate to deliberately harm one person, their business and the community as well
in the process.

Had you wanted to come off looking level minded and intelligent, perhaps you
would have suggested that the disgruntle party not create herself a legal
quagmire but rather pick up the phone and politely resolve the issue with the
company's customer service representative. Instead, you ignored that person's
hysteria and merely added fuel to it offering nothing good to anyone whatsoever.

These have been my opinions... and compared to yours I feel they are by far,
more sound.




[View Quote] > Could I suggest that this situation might be resolved by the following ...
>
> The two parties sit down in the same world and, politely, discuss their
> differences one last time in a meeting presided by bitmaster (he seems to
> have the support of both sides to a degree) and come to a resolution which
> would involve some (partial) refund or deliverance of goods if found
> appropriate.
>
> Perhaps the community does need a person of balance and integrity to help
> with small community disputes such as this in the interests of goodwill.
> Perhaps the person could set up a kind of charter by which hosting
> providers, avatar makers, model builders, etc would agree to and in return
> get some little badge to put on their site which says they're a member of
> that community charter (sort of like a baby industry standards group). A
> newbie could see the badge and feel safe buying from that provider. You know
> the sort of thing
>
> Hopefully this will need to be the last thing I post ... I'll leave it to
> the three parties above to discuss ... if you want my help I'll be happy to
> give it.
>
> Glitter
>
> (on holiday and posting via dial up(yuk) so cant reply as quick as before)

Jun 28, 2002, 6:44am

[View Quote] I addressed a single concern and have maintained that throughout the thread
....

> So when you mention things like the community needing something I cannot
respect
> your voice seeing how you have trashed what the community has decided as
well as
> it's leaders.

I have not trashed anyone ... just asked questions relating to credibility.

> The only point I have been able to sum up from all of this is that you had
a
> personal vendetta to prove since you have ignored so many people who
posted all
> along this past week telling you to quiet your ranting.

if thats all you can gather then I suggest you reread the thread ... you
must have missed just about every key point from every participant.

> Bear in mind that your ranting is solely based on gossip and an agenda
fueled in
> Hate to deliberately harm one person, their business and the community as
well
> in the process.

It is not based on gossip ... it is based on both your and ambivalents
addmissions which are the very same ... you took payment for services not
delivered (you do not dispute this occured). Your arguement is that you have
some god declared right to do this. The law says you do not. Nobody is
arguing any of these facts ... you even called them facts yourself. YOU
did!! Do need me to quote your own post? I do not consider informing
consumers of their right under law to be a destruction of the community.
Public interest groups and the government do this every day. If you and your
supporters wish to suppress the rights of the individual to further any of
your causes then thats just peachy ... but expect that someone will
eventually call you to task for it. If you dont like criticism then stop
doing bad things.

>
> Had you wanted to come off looking level minded and intelligent, perhaps
you
> would have suggested that the disgruntle party not create herself a legal
> quagmire but rather pick up the phone and politely resolve the issue with
the
> company's customer service representative. Instead, you ignored that
person's
> hysteria and merely added fuel to it offering nothing good to anyone
whatsoever.

I don't particularly care how I am perceived, thats what you all seem to
have missed. I am doing that which I know to be right ... to call into
question in the public interest anything which may efect fair play in the
community ... I have constantly sought to assist members of the community
(not this one specifically) which matters of community interest. I have at
times taken protests right to the steps of parliament and have appeared on
television several times with regards to matters of community interest. I'm
no greenie or anything like that ... I just believe that evil prospers while
good men do nothing and that I can and have made a great deal of difference.

For example, whether this community likes my posts or not is irrelevnt. But
now they are aware of the laws regarding consumer protection and how to deal
with matters like your fraudulent activity ... I can say that because by
your admission of the facts alone and by law it amounts to clear fraud .. no
gossip or heresay involved. These are great contributions to the community
because they help people recognise what is fair and just ... even if YOU or
your supporters think that is unsupportive of your personal agendas.

> These have been my opinions... and compared to yours I feel they are by
far,
> more sound.

You are fully entitled to that opinion and I will support your right to it
even though I do not agree with it ... the difference between us is
philosophical. You think no one is entitled to an opinion unless it supports
your views. I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion and the right to
express it .. so flame on ... it wont bother me in the slightest ... just
when you do, recognise I have the right of reply :-)

I suggested a way for this to be admirably resolved and probably even gave
you an easy way out.Your desire to completely fail to resolve this matter is
now public record. I certainly hope you will reconsider.

A regular visitor to my own world was considering hosting a new world with
you (god only knows how he could consider it after all my comments) and
sought my opinion having read these posts ... I told him what I thought. It
is clear he wont host with you now ... how many others are there? How much
does your stubbornness cost you? Certainly has already cost you far far more
than the amount you defrauded from Ambivalent. Again ... I ask you, please
reconsider.

Glitter

(on holiday and posting via dial up(yuk) so cant reply as quick as before)

Jun 28, 2002, 10:20am

Are you a he or a she? I kinda got confused on that myself... sorry. Looks
like your name is "Sean Derson" in your E-mail and thats... kind of
masculine.

--Bowen--

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Jun 28, 2002, 10:41am

I'm a she :-) ... at least I was the last time I looked ... Anderson is my
surname ... my husband's name begins with S ... he's the one who bought the
local dsl account :-) ... a rarity in Australia until recent times

Glitter

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Jun 28, 2002, 10:46am

Umm, in case you haven't noticed, this entire thread has strayed
*entirely* off-topic from the get go! Can we just drop it please?! I
think everything that needs to have been said, has been said. Let's move
on, shall we?

[View Quote] > YP, what do you think they have in a court of law ?? one's word against another's
> thats called testimony, not hearsay....... hearsay would be if " I " for example posted :
>
> "Bowen told me, Ambivalent was ripped off"
>
> That IS clearly hearsay, as it did not come straight FROM Ambivalent, understand ?
>
> And YOU just stated below " when all you have is a first person account"
>
> There it is.... "first person account" your interpretation of the word is incorrect... a first
> person account is NOT hearsay..... what you think it would "seem" to be, is irrelevant... we're
> talking about the correct useage of the term, not your opinion on what YOU think sounds right.....
>
> Anyways.... Enough of the debate over a word.... we're getting a TAD off topic here
>
> JB
>
>
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--
Goober King
Make the hurting STOP!!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 28, 2002, 10:47am

I meant out of all the posts in this thread, and a/some thread(s) in worldbuilders as well

- YP

[View Quote] Mr Smiths first name could be Richard
Someone might 'hate' Mr Smith
The people using the statement could be doing so in mately jest

I think you get the point ... just because Mr Smith does not like what he is
reading does not mean its intent is a hate crime. The key phrase here is
"context toward intent" ;-)

Glitter

(on holiday and posting via dial up(yuk) so cant reply as quick as before)

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Jun 28, 2002, 10:50am

possible, but maybe she might be able to remember some numbers assiociated with such laws?

- YP

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Jun 28, 2002, 10:51am

well she capitalized "she" so she must have said it knowingly, maybe it means S. E. Anderson? :)

- YP

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Jun 28, 2002, 11:13am

I believe that's "S. E. Anderson," Bowen. Lots of ISP use the
first/middle initials-last name approach to account usernames.

Besides, how many self-respecting males do you know that would call
themselves "Glitter Kitty"? :P (no offense to the *other* GK ;))

[View Quote] > Are you a he or a she? I kinda got confused on that myself... sorry. Looks
> like your name is "Sean Derson" in your E-mail and thats... kind of
> masculine.
>
> --Bowen--
>
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Goober King
Gotta keep things light in here *somehow*!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 28, 2002, 11:45am

thats exactly correct on the initials.

.... then again as a friend remarked ... "how many self respecting _people_
would call themselves Glitter Kitty" ... hey what can I say? ;-)

That said ... over here a goober is something you dig out of your nose at
traffic lights :-) ... what does it mean over there?? :-)

regards

Glitter

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Jun 28, 2002, 12:06pm

LOL good one!!!!! humor saves the day...:) heheheheh


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Jun 28, 2002, 2:41pm

About the same :) Actually, some people consider it a wad of spit, or
another name for a peanut. Where I'm from, it's just another adjective
that equates to "dumbass". :P

[View Quote] > thats exactly correct on the initials.
>
> ... then again as a friend remarked ... "how many self respecting _people_
> would call themselves Glitter Kitty" ... hey what can I say? ;-)
>
> That said ... over here a goober is something you dig out of your nose at
> traffic lights :-) ... what does it mean over there?? :-)
>
> regards
>
> Glitter
>
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Goober King
What self-respecting person would name themselves Goober?!... Oh, wait...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 29, 2002, 6:47am

politics? AW has already pronounced the sentence and acted upon it.
NOTHING in AW will ever be non political, from Just In's dispute with
everything america and their dispute with him .... to Duskbats vandalism of
AW GZ and AWHS doctrines...... to whether you feel winning a CY award is
worth stepping up in front of a hundred ppl that feel someone else should
have won it ..... to all the other trivialities and the legitimate
grievences that ppl have sought to air ........how can any one that voices
an opinion remain neutral?

it all SUX

Jul 1, 2002, 8:31pm

Find an instance of me slewing "hate" towards ANYONE in here, other than perhaps you......... I make
no bones about it Lars...... I DON'T like you, and you know what ? That's my god given RIGHT.....
along with my god given right to EXPRESS my opinions......... Show me where it says I have to
believe what YOU say or think....... I personally think you are a liar....... plain and
simple...... wanna call that a "hate crime" be my guest...... regardless what your narrow minded
views are or what you seem to think you know so much about, I still don't have to like you......

And again....... go ahead..... find some post where I've "slewn hate" to any other person in AW,
I'm curious to see what you come up with.... Though I'm most assuredly confident you wont find a
thing....... again, you're blowing smoke......

You're not going to shift attention away from your misdeeds by attempting to make me a pariah, my
friend...... give it up

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