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The Problem With Tourists (Community)
The Problem With Tourists // CommunityyanstFeb 12, 2003, 12:22am
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It seems there is a serious problem in many worlds with tourists littering with pornography. One such place was in Alpha World at the NASA momument site. There are others. Thinking about a solution to this problem, I recall a few years ago that AW added a new feature to the program - a box for email addresses when you log in as a tourist. I think at the time the explanation given for this was it was going to be used for advertising. I could be wrong, but that's what I recall. Then, I thought about how it used to be, where non-citizens were issued a number like citizens after they gave their email address (and maybe some other information like their name). Tourists are worth bothering about, they make Alpha World alive and prosperous, along with other worlds. Tourists are the future of AW. I don't know of anyone who disagrees with that-if there are, please speak up. We need to find a way to keep them accountable and that's why I've posted here. I don't know much about programming, but I figure there has to be a way to use that email box, there has to be a way to have proper identity for tourists and information from the company emailed to them before they start their AW experience so that they are aware of the laws, rules, expectations, limitations, etc. I'm not sure how the pricing would work (trial period), or how the tourist numbering system would work, and it might be that you fix it so that tourists can only build within a certain coordinate range. (If you can fix it so citizens can't build within a certain range at gz then it should be able to be done at other coords). The main thing is this, people please post your ideas for a solution to this problem. The more people that post and the quicker we can come up with a good solution, the sooner we might see tourists again. : ) begin 666 mrtourist.jpg M_]C_X `02D9)1 at `!` at ```0`!``#_VP!#``$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$! 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yeah, AWTeen has the same problem... at the nasa sites as well -_- kinda
sickening... J [View Quote] linn ironhead@digitalpassage(dot)comFeb 12, 2003, 12:50am
how do you know its not a cit logged in as a tourist?
[View Quote] jstone2004Feb 12, 2003, 12:51am
linn ironhead@digitalpassage(dot)comFeb 12, 2003, 1:26am
ahh then we are talking bout the tourist "mode" not the tourists themselves
big difference if stated like that [View Quote] carlbanksFeb 12, 2003, 2:14am
linn ironhead@digitalpassage(dot)comFeb 12, 2003, 2:21am
poseidonFeb 12, 2003, 3:00am
In terms of the stuff at the memorial site for th Columbia... that incident
was not unique in AWTeen. We have been having a problem with a specific citizen posting that same pornography... I saw the very same citizen, posing as a tourist... posting the very same pornography. Considering it all happened in such a small time frame, its logical to think it was the same person.. ie a citizen posting both under their cit, and as a tourist. Most tourists who are serious about the program, are good people that show a true interest in learning the browser, and learning about the community. Tourists as a whole aren't bad - I would say its the citizens that enjoy posing AS tourists, that are the main problem. Poseidon [View Quote] lioness.Feb 12, 2003, 10:25am
Great idea hon but as many here can probably tell you, it IS possible to use
nobody at nowhere.com as an email address. My husband uses it once in a while and so do I. Cuts down on spam and is acceptable by most websites. If somebody wants to post porn, I don't think there is too much that can be done about it, unfortunately, cept maybe people constantly visiting the area and looking for any unusual signs, etc. Sad I know. ;-"< [View Quote] binarybudFeb 12, 2003, 1:08pm
Tell us the Cit name. Peer pressure does wonders in controlling kiddies.
Leo :) aka BinaryBud [View Quote] count draculaFeb 12, 2003, 2:22pm
Much easier to clean up shit after a tourist than a cit tho :)
What kind of porn was it btw? ( just wanted to make sure because some ppl refer to everything containing nudity as porn). It is a bit like calling Coca-Cola coffee. Drac yanst <ayansta at hotmail.com> kirjoitti viestissä:3e49afeb at server1.Activeworlds.com... > > > Help us! > > It seems there is a serious problem in many worlds with tourists littering > with pornography. One such place was in Alpha World at the NASA momument > site. There are others. > goober kingFeb 12, 2003, 3:02pm
The problem is that these morons do it just to get attention, and by
posting the cit names, that's exactly what they get. How do I know? Well, while I was at the AWTeen Memorial working on my AWNews article, the very same citizen who had put up the porn (which had since been cleaned up) suddenly showed up as a tourist and yelled out something to the effect of "goober, don't write anything about the porn or people will laugh at me!" and then immediately disappeared. Obviously, it was a sad attempt at reverse psychology, but since I had no intention of mentioning the porn in the first place, it only reinforced my reasons for not writing about it. The more attention these fools get, the more likely they'll keep doing what they're doing. If they get ignored, then they'll eventually move on to greener and more gullible pastures. [View Quote] -- Goober King Wouldn't want them feeling too important... binarybudFeb 12, 2003, 3:55pm
I totally disagree. They need a good "spanking". Letting their peers know what they are doing will help to curb it. Letting AWI know that you do not appreciate it also helps....and if you tell them(AWI) that AND supply names and numbers to them that will help also. we need to just NOT PUT UP WITH IT ANYMORE. Let them know they are ruining OUR fun time. and it's time for them to take responsibility for their actions. We also need to get rid of the annonimity of this software. "If you don't want US knowing WHO you are then we don't even want you in here" attitude is needed.
My 3 cents worth Leo :) aka BinaryBud [View Quote] bowenFeb 12, 2003, 4:37pm
I think this may have to do these tourists are modeled after Japanese tourists in
America (notice the big cameras and black hair). Oh wait, you hate the Chinese... sorry. --Bowen-- linn ironhead@digitalpassage(dot)comFeb 12, 2003, 5:50pm
I agree that all nudity isn't porn but url s in worlds to porn sites
would need to be cleaned up too but wait didn't SOMEONE give them an award for just that this is why AW (well another reason) is going downhill AW has rules but like some other organization they either don't enforce them or they change them to suit the occasion just plain bad business [View Quote] stecloudFeb 12, 2003, 6:13pm
But that's exactly what they want. Why else would they post it if not for
attention - risk getting their cit revoked for nothing? No, the only logical reason that they are doing it is for attention. They may have a friend round at their house. "Hey, look what I can do!" Then of course it causes an uproar wich excites them. If it was mentioned in a newsletter they would be laughing for weeks on end that something they did got so much publicity. Adopting the same psychology as one would with prank phone calls is what should be done here. Put the phone down, cut the problem at the source. Its no fun just to hear someone pick up a phone them put it back down again when they realise what you are doing. Its the same in this scenario - Stecloud [View Quote] e n z oFeb 12, 2003, 8:13pm
Bowen,
I understand you are being sarcastic, but please refrain from the ethnic kidding. I do not want to delete threads because of sarcasm. E [View Quote] bowenFeb 12, 2003, 8:38pm
jardineFeb 12, 2003, 8:47pm
I used to use this method of avoiding spam myself before a friend pointed
out that there is a www.nowhere.com and consequently the owner of the domain is probably receiving yours, mine and tens of thousands of other peoples spam! J > Great idea hon but as many here can probably tell you, it IS possible to use > nobody at nowhere.com as an email address. My husband uses it once in a while > and so do I. Cuts down on spam and is acceptable by most websites. If > somebody wants to post porn, I don't think there is too much that can be > done about it, unfortunately, cept maybe people constantly visiting the area > and looking for any unusual signs, etc. Sad I know. ;-"< > e n z oFeb 12, 2003, 9:31pm
Probably not to some...
Either way it falls under stuff that gets threads deleted... BTW tourist are modeled on the "black and whites" from "SnowCrash" Anyone using a public terminal was forced into a B&W av that was really low rez (and all tourists.. no matter what the country carry cameras) E [View Quote] bowenFeb 12, 2003, 9:32pm
king bluemaxFeb 12, 2003, 11:25pm
I never really lobbyed for or against tourists, I did pay the extra money to
allow then into my world figuring it was a reasonably priced option, but I have spent plenty of time policing and deleting offensive content exclusivly by touists and do find it distressing that it is almost impossible to identify who it is doing it or why. I always felt that as a tourist there is enough to do to help you decide whether or not you want to get a cit, and even if you wanted to try it you could get a cit for a month to see, its under 10 bucks. While many use it to discover others use it as a tool to hide their identity and wreak havok, its a difficult debate. One thing ive always assumed is the way it was set up before must have been costing AW instead of producing new cits, and the way they made it is more financially sound, and thats what is neccessary to keep the lights on. I could be wrong? I would bet though, that the people who do misuse the tourist mode are not new to aw and interested in becoming cits.They either are already cits or are more concerned with remaining anonomous. Too bad they ruin it for others and the people that have to clean it all up. Just my thoughts. Take Care, KBM linn ironhead@digitalpassage(dot)comFeb 12, 2003, 11:59pm
if this decision "keeps the lights on" why are cit numbers and worlds
dropping like flies ? no new faces ??? ahhh those were the tourists LOL [View Quote] poseidonFeb 13, 2003, 1:39am
I purposely didn't give the name for...well... the reasons stated by Goober.
The only people that need to know the persons name is AWI =) Otherwise, the problem is being taken care of in AWTeen... and if AWI takes care of it, well that's good enough. Giving people a good moral bashing in the public spot light doesn't usually affect people in the way you want it to. Often the person gains more self esteem through the trouble they cause, because it gets recognized... no matter how good or bad the recognition is. Poseidon [View Quote] sw chrisFeb 13, 2003, 4:19am
miksamFeb 13, 2003, 10:25am
I have snipped to only include the part of this post that I am commenting on
Why have the ability to change name?... Why do people find the need to change their chosen name? Tourist or Citizen Now, I can answer some of this; 1. such as two users sharing a computer.... solution: two installs... have the install program ask for the user to select their name prior to install and then have the program installed into a directory <c:\Activeworlds\Name> ... Can the name be picked up and put in the .ini or within the program? I have no idea, I am not a programmer. I am sure there are ways around this, but when it is found that a user is circumventing, then correct them. Lets work toward solving problems as they happen and make it so the Tourists and Citizen population can grow. 2. such as to get into mischief... Solution: Remove the ability to change name. A visiting Tourists gets known by the name they have chosen and would carry that name over into citizenship. Now, I know that there may be special times that a user may want to change their name upon registering or after they have registered ie: they discover they have chosen a name that can be duplicated like the L I 1 problem, so fix that by changing the chat window font or explain the problem during the name selecting process. Special name changing cases should be requested by the user and handled by AWI staff. In the real world most alias are used by those that want to hide, some for good reason but most for malicious reasons, why not prevent this practice from entering Virtual Reality? Any of the upstanding Citizens out there are well known by the names they use and would stand behind their names in a responsible fashion why not have the mischievous ones also carry their names around proudly? I am all for mischief and fun but this idea might prevent malicious damage and let the malicious users know they can and will be held accountable. MIKsam [View Quote] defianceFeb 13, 2003, 10:42am
> 2. such as to get into mischief... Solution: Remove the ability to change
name. > A visiting Tourists gets known by the name they have chosen and would carry that > name over into citizenship. Now, I know that there may be special times that a user may > want to change their name upon registering or after they have registered ie: they > discover they have chosen a name that can be duplicated like the L I 1 problem, > so fix that by changing the chat window font or explain the problem during the name > selecting process. Special name changing cases should be requested by the user and > handled by AWI staff. > > In the real world most alias are used by those that want to hide, some for good reason > but most for malicious reasons, why not prevent this practice from entering Virtual > Reality? Any of the upstanding Citizens out there are well known by the names they use > and would stand behind their names in a responsible fashion why not have the > mischievous ones also carry their names around proudly? I am all for mischief and fun > but this idea might prevent malicious damage and let the malicious users know they > can and will be held accountable. > MIKsam That's what cit numbers are there for, you can't change them. miksamFeb 13, 2003, 11:01am
Yes.. but Tourist do not have numbers.. If they are checking out the program,
why do they want to change their names? and once registered, why would a Citizen choose to log in as a tourist or even change their name? Do they do this to hide whom they are so they can not be held accountable? MIKsam [View Quote] |