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the lady // User Search
the lady // User Search
Jul 20, 2003, 11:27pm
I understand that there will always be a certain degree of non-privacy in
AW. I'm not asking for encrypted software. I'm asking for world owners to,
out of courtesy and respect for the need of non-worldwide broadcasted
conversation, to post their bot settings regarding their world chat so that
vistors are informed.
[View Quote]"xelag" <xelag at digitalspace.com> wrote in message
news:87amhv8biil6mhvl5sv63c9qs7pfl21kf3 at 4ax.com...
> To explain this a bit more. Since 1998/1999, when bots were created,
> they have the ability to receive chat, and to receive whispers
> adressed to them (and only those ones addressed to them), and receive
> all other AW events. This is because they use the AW SDK. But bots
> don't only use the AW SDK, they have their own code to handle what
> they do with this. It depends on the bot maker what sort of code they
> add (and they MUST add code, otherwise bots would do nothing). They
> could be adding code to send the owner's password to someone, or the
> whole chat to the CIA...
>
> First rule: use bots from trusted makers.
>
> Second rule: NEVER expect that people or bots will do what you want.
> You have, in your own world, the right to select which people and
> which bots you allow in. You do NOT have that right in other worlds.
>
> Whispers seem safe to me. World servers do not log them, and they do
> not go thru the universe server. Telegrams are dangerous: the
> universe server has an option to LOG ALL TELEGRAMS. Chat is open to
> everone: it can be privately logged, sent world wide , published on
> CNN, there is no way to control that.
>
> I'm not trying to put you off, I'm just trying to show you our limits.
>
> Alex
> XelaG - bot maker
>
> On 20 Jul 2003 19:41:36 -0400, "xelag" <xelag at digitalspace.com> wrote:
>
visitors
welcome
on
throughout
are
visiting
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Jul 21, 2003, 9:00am
No traumatic experience, just one of those wake up calls after the fact.
[View Quote]"tony m" <tony at homeunix.uni.cc> wrote in message
news:3f1b77fc at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I concur. By default, my bot comes configured with a welcome message
explicitly stating it is in action, and where users can get more information
on it. Whether or not worldowners change it is something I can't control;
it's up to them to make sure users know where they can find information
about my bot and what it does.
>
> Public chat is just that -- "public". They may be intercepted, modified,
and rebroadcasted by anything that knows how to -- the CRB, another
relay-type bot, and basically anything else out there.
>
> If The Lady has had any traumatic experiences with a CRB, I invite her to
either email me about it or respond to this thread :)
>
> strike rapier wrote:
>
your chat cannot be 'spied' upon in AWI public worlds appart from by AWI if
they feel something is amiss.
TheLady? It would seem to best fit what you are refering to...
decide exactly how the worlds chat system should run... I know in the main
world I program for in AWEdu we use the ChatRelayBot for relaying everything
all over the world because we want to be able to communicate, there really
is nothing to hide that cannot be done in whispers or telegrams if needed,
and the occasional time that we do, we can take down the ChatRelayBot and
put up the Zeus beta to restict the outgoing communications from a chat
zone. We have never had any other complaints, heck what the hell do you
think is happening to your chat when it comes out bright pink on the chat
window? :)
>
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Jul 21, 2003, 8:58pm
Telegram from "anonymous", sent Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:24 PM:
i will fight with all my mite to the death to stop u and ur Declaration of
Independence u now have a war on ur hands
--------------------------------------
Ya'll declared war on me. I don't even have an army. Guess I'd better get
one.
Aug 4, 2003, 4:04pm
I think AW should have their own democracy. I don't like seeing one man and
lady teams doing almost everything. I think it's wrong. I sure don't have
all the answers, but I'm going to send out as many telegrams as I can to try
to gather some people up to draw up something on voting, elections, whatever
it is that the people want and think is fair for them and AW.
Investors, please cheer for that. : )
Aug 9, 2003, 3:39am
August 16, 2003 9PM VRT You are invited to attend a Meeting- Setting up an
AW democracy-Be prepared to share your ideas.-198.50N 239.55E 0.00a 271
Alpha World. Pass it along.
In hopes we can set up a democracy and voting.
I am not looking to be elected for anything. I just would like to somehow
begin the progress of beginning a democracy that works for and benefits
everyone. The people have suffered enough.
Everyone is invited; however, please keep in mind if you are one of those
hindering freedom in any way for people in AW, better you have a change of
heart; otherwise, please don't impede progress.
Aug 11, 2003, 6:28pm
Everyone has my attention......always. : )
[View Quote]"binarybud" <leo at realPANTStourvision.com> wrote in message
news:3f379a2b$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I suggest that The Lady cannot read these newsgroups....only can
post....this is the only explanation I can come up with .
>
> Leo :)
>
>
> .
> "kah" <kah at kahnews.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:Xns93D28D0AB44B4kahatkahnewsdotcjbdo at 64.94.241.201...
rule
The
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Aug 10, 2003, 3:56pm
Any here? Any reading this ng as citizens? If so, fess up.
Now.
<pushes "Send">
Aug 17, 2003, 8:17pm
August 30, 2003 9PM VRT You are invited to attend a Meeting- Setting up an
AW democracy-Be prepared to share your ideas.-198.50N 239.55E 0.00a 271
Alpha World. Pass it along.
In hopes we can set up a democracy and voting.
I am not looking to be elected for anything. I just would like to somehow
begin the progress of beginning a democracy that works for and benefits
everyone. The people have suffered enough, many in extreme painful silence.
I do not agree with the current way moral standards are enforced in Active
Worlds.
Everyone is invited; however, please keep in mind if you are one of those
hindering freedom in any way for people in AW, better you have a change of
heart; otherwise, please don't impede progress.
Aug 20, 2003, 9:55am
Any power in place that seeks to judge and condemn a people for immoral
actions by way of mental or physical torture should be routed out, disbanded
and left powerless.
There is a very diverse culture here. Each person comes here with their own
unique personal situation. Noone should be tortured here. Instead,
influencing a good quality of life, moral actions and taking an interest in
meeting the needs of the people is what the focus should be.
Aug 21, 2003, 8:33am
Joeman, AW has always been a self-policing world. There have always been
key people involved in how AW is governed. Nothing is new about my idea of
forming a democracy. We already have certain powers in place, we have from
the beginning. However, what we don't have is the ability for all citizens
to make their wishes count in the form of a vote. AW seems to have (or
allow) certain powers to control immoral actions; however, it is cruel,
severe, and could be damaging to the citizens. What we need to understand
is judging and taking action on undesirable actions without allowing them
the opportunity to defend themselves is nothing less than allowing the most
severe form of a dictatorship in power. Coupled with no solid
foundation/group in place to meet the needs of the citizens, it leaves them
traumatized with no place to go. All of us have an obligation to invest in
the future of AW. The process has begun.
[View Quote]"joeman" <john at fakeplastic.com> wrote in message
news:3f437024$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> . . . I seriously don't know how to comment... I... eh... ug... eh...
ble...
> ....
>
> You've really gone nutters with this whole democracy/free the people idea.
> But, you just don't get it... AWCom is a company, they own the universe
> software, as well as the browser you use to get to it. What you're doing,
> is like building a house on someone else's land while they're living
there,
> and disregarding the owners, and the police because you're doing what's
> "fair" and "right". AWCom doesn't need to meet anyone's needs! You cant
> "free the people", you're not some missionary, to tame the wilds of AWCom
> and bring civilization to it.
>
> Also, where are these devices of torture? I don't see anyone being
tortured
> here. If someone doesn't like how they're being treated, they can leave;
> that is, unless they're a masochist. People normally don't walk willingly
> into the spinning blades of airplanes, or shoot themselves in the face, so
> why would they accept this, "torture"?
>
> Really... Is you're native language not English like good ole' hotbar, or
am
> I just missing something?
>
> -Joe
>
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4361c7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> disbanded
> own
> in
>
>
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Aug 21, 2003, 8:59am
It is no secret, especially to the leadership of AW (which includes you)
that there is a power in place to get and maintain control of the citizens.
However, your post skims that fact and instead seems to center on a peer
pressure or bullying type focus.
There is a huge difference between being under the power of bullies versus
being bullied by people that have no power of you. Shall I name some?
Unfair job opportunities
Mishandling of private and personal information
Favoritism
Invasion of Privacy
Mishandling or Abuse of funds/royalties/perks
and more.......
[View Quote]"daphne" <Daphne at notup2par.com> wrote in message
news:3f437517 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> If you are doing or saying things that the diverse cultures of the world
> consider to be immoral and doing them where people can view or know of
them,
> then why shouldn't you be "judged", "condemned" or mentally "tortured" by
> those same people that you are offending???
>
> That's how the world works, ya know...
>
> "If you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen."
>
>
> the lady <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4361c7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> disbanded
> <snip>
>
>
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Aug 21, 2003, 9:19am
mod, I play Ms. Pac-Man. "Every man needs a good woman by his side and Ms
Pac-Man is just that woman"
As I stated in an earlier post, AW has always had leadership in place in one
form or another, independent of the local area in which we live. Has always
been a self-policing world. It lacks allowing its' citizens voting power.
It lacks a strong organized effort by way of core people in place who's job
is meeting the needs of the people, influencing moral behavior, spiritual
issues, health issues and many more.
http://www.basementarcade.com/arcade/mspacman/msmain.html
[View Quote]"mod" <mod at darkbirdie.com> wrote in message
news:3f43bc8c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The lady just for my own personal amusement when you play pac-man do you
> email the creaters saying, pacman should be a democracy, where ghosts and
> pac-men work together, and it is my right to declare my independance from
> the game, blah blah blah. Basically, see how stupid that sounds? Its the
> same thing here, I used to just sit back and chuckle at the silly posts of
> yours, but one can only chuckle so much O_O
>
> -Mod
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4361c7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> disbanded
> own
> in
>
>
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Aug 21, 2003, 9:42am
In response to your questions:
How is physical torture inflicted over the internet?
And what about mental torture?
Indirectly maybe. However, that statement was made to impress the fact that
physical and mental torture go together. In other words, both are
abhorrible acts against a people. One can be just as bad as the other.
Mental torture, although you can't see it, feel it, touch it, is just as
serious as physical torture. One shouldn't be more impressed upon than the
other.
Can't you just leave the place on the internet your in?
Yes. However, AW is a real community, with real people, real friends, real
relationships. It isn't within the scope of being humane to ask someone to
leave their realm of community to allow mental torture to persist plaguing
innocent people.
What torture?
When immoral acts are committed in AW, an organized effort by a group of
people mentally torture them. This not only happens for immoral acts, it
happens for other things, too.
How do you influence a good quility of life from activeworlds?
As I stated in an earlier post, by forming a core group of key people to
oversee meeting the needs of the community - spiritually, physical health,
mental health, morality, and other important issues concerning the people.
[View Quote]".duo." <ncommons at comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3f441e91 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Usually I'm nice to you, but this is just so incredibly stupid that I feel
> like I'm gonna explode... anyway, I have no real idea what your talking
> about or why it fits into an AW newsgroup. How is physical torture
inflicted
> over the internet? And what about mental torture? Can't you just leave the
> place on the internet your in?
>
> "There is a very diverse culture here. Each person comes here with their
> own
> unique personal situation. Noone should be tortured here. Instead,
> influencing a good quality of life, moral actions and taking an interest
in
> meeting the needs of the people is what the focus should be."
>
> WHAT THE HELL? WHERE? WHAT TORTURE? HOW DO YOU INFLUENCE A GOOD QUALITY OF
> LIFE FROM ACTIVE WORLDS? Oh crag-monkeys... my heads goona explode...
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4361c7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> disbanded
> own
> in
>
>
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Aug 22, 2003, 3:19pm
You said, "How do you expect any one to take you seriously now, about
equality in AW, when in the past you have been so one sided and prejudice in
your own right?"
Answer:
If you feel I am prejudiced, you are certainly welcome to that opinion. The
plan I have in mind does not center around my beliefs, my convictions, my
personal opinions regarding how a culture should live their lives. To allow
one person to have power over overseeing the needs all means limiting the
quality of life of your people and the growth of your country. My plan is to
have trusted people from each group or community step up and make a solid
commitment to a leadership roll. Those leaders setting up a doctrine that
everyone can come to terms with and agree upon which will include helping to
meet the needs of their people, of their community, of their spirituality,
of their quality of life, whatever the needs of the people may be. A
brother and sisterhood of people to keep each other in check and check on
each other.
Also the people need to be given the right to vote. They need to be given
their freedom! They need the freedom to make the choice of who will be
their leader.
You said, "I am wondering who would be allowed in your democrisy"
Answer:
I have not said nor have I ever implied that any new democracy would be
mine.
You said, "We have heard from you in the past about how, if you aren't a
good little christian, you are evil."
Answer:
I have not made that statement. That is false.
You said, "People in AW have been called evil by you in the past because
they don't believe exactly as you do."
Answer:
I have not said people in AW are evil because they do not believe in what I
believe. That is false.
[View Quote]"imagine" <imagines at joimail.com> wrote in message
news:3f44e1b9 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> We have heard from you in the past about how, if you aren't a good little
> christian, you are evil. For you, it seemed to be one or the other. You
are
> right, there are a diverse group of people in AW and not all are
Christian.
> I am wondering who would be allowed in your democrisy ( please excuse any
> bad spelling, it's early and I am not going to use a spell check) People
in
> AW have been called evil by you in the past because they don't believe
> exactly as you do. I am not trying to turn this into a religous thing.
Just
> useing this as an example of your frame of mind. How do you expect any one
> to take you seriously now, about equality in AW, when in the past you have
> been so one sided and prejudice in your own right?
>
> I said before, that it could make a nice little AW wide RPG.
>
> Imagine
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f44b041 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> that
> the
> real
> to
plaguing
it
health,
people.
> feel
talking
> the
> their
interest
QUALITY
> OF
> immoral
> their
> interest
>
>
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Aug 22, 2003, 3:29pm
One of the most frustrating and difficult things about overcoming problems
in AW is not having someone you can relate to in your local area to
understand. AW is not to take the place of our local living, but for the
most very serious AW problems, it takes more than our local community can
help us with - it takes the help of another AW citizen or group of citizens.
You said, "But, of course, you have never addressed your problem with why
you can't just leave. Are you handcuffed to the computer with no way of
communicating except AW?"
Answer:
There was a time when I felt the people wanted me to leave. I felt I had
exhausted all ways I could come up why they didn't want me here. As I said
earlier, the citizens here have been through a lot. I left as a citizen for
awhile, but came around as a tourist. I communicate in my local area and I
communicate in AW. I try to have just as good quality of life in my local
area as I do AW.
[View Quote]"ferruccio" <startrek3 at earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3f45b1ee$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> "> How is physical torture inflicted over the internet?
> that
> the
> real
> to
plaguing
it
health,
people.
> <snip>
>
> Okay I am just gonna post this for my own personal amusement (I don't
expect
> the lady to comprehend any of this)
>
> physical health? mental health? spiritually? this is just a CHAT program
> using renderware. if you are having a physical health problem, there is no
> surgeon.rwx with an "create animate me healing. 1 1 0" command on it that
> magically heals you. Spirituality? Go to a nearby church in the real
> world. Mental health? go somewhere in RL and contact a psychologist or
(if
> you are in school) the school counselor. What you have completely
forgotten
> is that there is something called RL. Every post you have made implies
that
> we are somehow trapped in this AW program. Like people have said a
thousand
> times before, if you don't like it, simply unsubscribe. But, of course,
you
> have never addressed your problem with why you can't just leave. Are you
> handcuffed to the computer with no way of communicating except AW? But
> seriously, you should sell your computer and take a walk outside. Go
hiking
> or something.
>
> wow.. Eep would really enjoy threads like this
>
>
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Aug 22, 2003, 3:40pm
JStone,
"by not cruelly criticizing how AW runs, constructive criticism is one
thing, but many people just flame :-) that doesn't do much, now does it?"
A few years ago I tried to fix the gap between AW company and the citizens.
I stood on top of the CofMeta building. I felt I did so in a manner that
was respectful to the company as well as the people. I feel I have really
been very careful about not slashing the company AW in the newsgroup. For
no other reason really, than feeling as if Cryonics and ENZO are just as
much a part of my family as anyone else. They've been through rough times
as well as the citizens, probably some we will never know about. If anyone
has suffered in complete silence, it is them. On the other hand, my
patience is wearing thin, not so much with how I've been treated, but I
think the turning point was when I found out others had been treated badly
(and still are treated badly). Somebody had to start the process of human
relief for the citizens.
[View Quote]"jstone2004" <j at jlife.net> wrote in message
news:3f458b83$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I, as well as many many others are already investing in the future of AW
:-)
> we don't need a democracy to invest in the future of AW, there are little
> things that we can do every day that keep AW going :-) for instance, like
> not starting giant flame wars in the newsgroups :-) or go and try to get
> ejected by a PK or GK :-) also, by not cruelly criticizing how AW runs,
> constructive criticism is one thing, but many people just flame :-) that
> doesn't do much, now does it?
>
> J
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f44a015 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
been
> of
> from
> citizens
understand
them
> most
> them
> in
> idea.
universe
> doing,
what's
> cant
> AWCom
> leave;
> willingly
face,
> so
> or
> immoral
> their
> interest
>
>
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Aug 22, 2003, 4:37pm
If you are not interested in anything other than your good time here in AW
away from your local life, why do you question my religious beliefs, read
newsgroups, or take such an interest in reading my postings?
I believe it was you that made a comment in the now deleted part of the
community newsgroup that said you didn't want AW voting. I question why you
don't want AW voting.
Either we, as a community, get with the program and support each other, free
ourselves, or we remain under the hostility of a dictatorship that torments
our citizens.
[View Quote]"imagine" <imagines at joimail.com> wrote in message
news:3f465b83 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> brother and sisterhood of people to keep each other in check and check on
> each other.<<<
>
> I don't want people keeping me in check. I also don't want to be checking
up
> on others to make sure they are kept in check. I don't think any one wants
> that in their AW lives. I don't come here so that other people can be
> getting all in my business. And what other people do is their business.
> Right now, if some one dose something that is completely out of line,
there
> are always people around who will do what they can to try and correct the
> situation. And, that is fine. But I do not want people checking up on me,
as
> a rule, to make sure I am kept in check. If I'm not mistaken, don't think
> anybody wants that.
>
> I for one, come here to leave the real life garbage behind for the few
hours
> I am on line. If you want polotics there are plenty of places to find them
> in the real world. For me in AW, it's a live and let live situation. So
far,
> for the last 6 years, that has worked out well for me.
>
> I don't know anything about your AW life, since I haven't run into you in
> the worlds yet. But from what I have read in the news groups, I am
assumeing
> that you don't own a world. I sugest that if you buy a small world, and
made
> it a non public build world, then learned to model, so you could fill your
> world with what ever makes you happy, you would have a much better time in
> AW. REALLY!!! You should try that. Right now it seems that in AW you are
> detached and are looking for attention. You should stop looking for
> attention and just settle down. And building your own world would be a
> perfict way to do that. I REALLY think you would be happy as the ruler of
> your own world.
>
> If you should deside to take my advice, and want to learn to model. I
would
> be more then happy to teach you how to use wings3d, accutrans, modeler,
> rwxmod, and photoshop :) to help you get started. Heck, I would also be
> willing to help you get your world set up and running. I REALLY think you
> just need a sence of belonging and importance. A world of your own would
> give you that.
>
> Imagine
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4650b8$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
prejudice
> in
> The
my
> allow
the
is
> to
solid
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helping
> to
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> have
> fact
> other.
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> someone
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> of
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> to
that
> I
> leave
with
Instead,
> explode...
out,
with
> Instead,
>
>
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Aug 22, 2003, 8:28pm
Question - "And you are not feeling this right now?"
Answer - I don't have an opinion or insight into that one way or the other.
[View Quote]"ferruccio" <startrek3 at earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3f469791 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4652df$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> <snip>
> <snip>
>
> And you are not feeling this right now? O_o
>
>
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Aug 22, 2003, 8:38pm
Everyone is telling you that, why do you persist?
Answer: Faith, Hope, Love.
[View Quote]"ferruccio" <startrek3 at earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3f4699da$2 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4662ff at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> <snip>
> why do you... take such an interest in reading my postings?
> <snip>
>
> It's entertaining for most people here to read your philosophies. We seek
> out your posts for personal amusement. It's a fact, don't be offended.
Why
> are we so amused? Because, your posts don't use any logic at all.
Remember,
> AW is a company, and we are not citizens of AW. We are subscribers, who
> have a right to simply leave if we don't like it here. Your idea that
> customers should have equal power as the owner is absolutely ludicrous.
The
> owner is the one who is pouring in so much money to keep AW running for
us.
> Your idea will not work at all. Everyone is telling you that, why do you
> persist?
>
>
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Aug 22, 2003, 8:49pm
It was a one line reply. Check again. I've changed harddrives since that
time.
[View Quote]"imagine" <imagines at joimail.com> wrote in message
news:3f469d93 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
the
> community newsgroup that said you didn't want AW voting. I question why
you
> don't want AW voting.<<<<
>
> Excuse me? I just went into my sent files and reread all of my replies to
> your posts. Not a single one mentions me saying that I don't want AW
voting.
> In fact, in one of my replies I actually wished you luck in your endeavors
> on this subject, and not in a sarcastic way. What I have been saying is
that
> to make your democracy work, you would need AWI on board backing up your
> endeavors in any way they can. Without them on board you can make all the
AW
> laws you want, but it will be a rough road ahead trying to enforce them.
> I also said that it would make for a nice little AW wide RPG. And since
I'm
> not into RPG's I wouldn't be joining your democracy. Not once did I say I
> didn't want AW voting. The people in AW are quite capable of forming their
> own opinions and choosing what they want to do. If they want this, that's
up
> to them. But from what I've seen in the replies to the posts, now a whole
> lot of people want this. Do you ever consider the over all opinion of the
> responses to your posts?
>
> At first I thought you were confused. Then I thought you were lost and
> troubled. Now I think you are a deliberate instigator. I think you post
just
> anything that you think will get the biggest uprising. Then you pick out
> certain replies, and reply to them with what you think will get yet
another
> big uprising. And it continues. After this whole democracy thing dies out,
I
> 'm wondering what nonsense you will come up with to start yet another
> uprising.
>
other,
> free
> ourselves, or we remain under the hostility of a dictatorship that
torments
> our citizens.<<<<
>
> You know what? There are people in the real world who really do need to be
> freed from hostility and dictatorship. There are people in the real world
> who are dieing cause of these things. I really think that instead of
causing
> so much trouble in the virtual world by spouting off about such things in
> the virtual world that it would be best if you just joined a group
somewhere
> that is actually trying to do some good in the real world where these
things
> are concerned. Try helping people who really need the help.
>
in
> AW
> away from your local life, why do you question my religious beliefs, read
> newsgroups, or take such an interest in reading my postings?<<<<
>
> My good time here? I am a part of this AW community and have been for a
> number of years. I have helped in this community for a number of years. I
> teach modeling, and animation. And I ask nothing in return. I help in
> peoples world when I can. I have recently offered my assistance in another
> universe to help get it up and running. And until right now, I have done
> this with out asking for any kind of recognition. I do this because this
is
> what a community is about, the lady. It's not about getting on your soap
box
> and spouting off nonsense that no one really wants to hear. It's not about
> standing there in the middle of every one yelling, LOOK AT ME I'M GOING TO
> START A DEMOCRACY. It's about being there when you are needed, doing what
> you can and moving on without asking recognition in return. It's about
being
> there for every one, not just for ourselves.
>
> I just posted offering you help in any way to start your own world and to
> get you started as a modeler. It was a genuine offer. What did I get in
> return? A nasty reply accusing me of something I didn't do. If I were in
the
> market for a democracy, I would not pick one that you had anything to do
> with. I didn't say it before, but I'm saying it now. I think any one who
has
> any thing to do with your democracy is nuts. But no one here is as nuts as
> you.
>
> You want to know why I read your posts? I read them just to see what kind
of
> stupidity you come up with next.
>
> BTW if you ever decide to get a world, the offer is now off.
>
> Have a good life you loony
>
> Imagine
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4662ff at server1.Activeworlds.com...
AW
read
> you
> free
> torments
> on
> checking
> wants
business.
> the
> me,
> think
> them
So
> in
and
> your
time
> in
are
> of
modeler,
be
> you
would
about
> opinion.
convictions,
To
limiting
plan
doctrine
A
check
> be
> be
aren't
> a
> because
other.
> excuse
> believe
> thing.
> any
> you
the
are
upon
persist
physical
the
your
> torture
just
an
GOOD
> for
routed
here
> an
>
>
|
Aug 22, 2003, 9:07pm
I will keep referring back to the issue.
AW needs to allow voting for it's citizens.
The power in place which seeks to torment and destroy the community needs to
be confronted, disbanded and left powerless forever.
AW needs to become their own independent democracy.
[View Quote]"imagine" <imagines at joimail.com> wrote in message
news:3f469d93 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
the
> community newsgroup that said you didn't want AW voting. I question why
you
> don't want AW voting.<<<<
>
> Excuse me? I just went into my sent files and reread all of my replies to
> your posts. Not a single one mentions me saying that I don't want AW
voting.
> In fact, in one of my replies I actually wished you luck in your endeavors
> on this subject, and not in a sarcastic way. What I have been saying is
that
> to make your democracy work, you would need AWI on board backing up your
> endeavors in any way they can. Without them on board you can make all the
AW
> laws you want, but it will be a rough road ahead trying to enforce them.
> I also said that it would make for a nice little AW wide RPG. And since
I'm
> not into RPG's I wouldn't be joining your democracy. Not once did I say I
> didn't want AW voting. The people in AW are quite capable of forming their
> own opinions and choosing what they want to do. If they want this, that's
up
> to them. But from what I've seen in the replies to the posts, now a whole
> lot of people want this. Do you ever consider the over all opinion of the
> responses to your posts?
>
> At first I thought you were confused. Then I thought you were lost and
> troubled. Now I think you are a deliberate instigator. I think you post
just
> anything that you think will get the biggest uprising. Then you pick out
> certain replies, and reply to them with what you think will get yet
another
> big uprising. And it continues. After this whole democracy thing dies out,
I
> 'm wondering what nonsense you will come up with to start yet another
> uprising.
>
other,
> free
> ourselves, or we remain under the hostility of a dictatorship that
torments
> our citizens.<<<<
>
> You know what? There are people in the real world who really do need to be
> freed from hostility and dictatorship. There are people in the real world
> who are dieing cause of these things. I really think that instead of
causing
> so much trouble in the virtual world by spouting off about such things in
> the virtual world that it would be best if you just joined a group
somewhere
> that is actually trying to do some good in the real world where these
things
> are concerned. Try helping people who really need the help.
>
in
> AW
> away from your local life, why do you question my religious beliefs, read
> newsgroups, or take such an interest in reading my postings?<<<<
>
> My good time here? I am a part of this AW community and have been for a
> number of years. I have helped in this community for a number of years. I
> teach modeling, and animation. And I ask nothing in return. I help in
> peoples world when I can. I have recently offered my assistance in another
> universe to help get it up and running. And until right now, I have done
> this with out asking for any kind of recognition. I do this because this
is
> what a community is about, the lady. It's not about getting on your soap
box
> and spouting off nonsense that no one really wants to hear. It's not about
> standing there in the middle of every one yelling, LOOK AT ME I'M GOING TO
> START A DEMOCRACY. It's about being there when you are needed, doing what
> you can and moving on without asking recognition in return. It's about
being
> there for every one, not just for ourselves.
>
> I just posted offering you help in any way to start your own world and to
> get you started as a modeler. It was a genuine offer. What did I get in
> return? A nasty reply accusing me of something I didn't do. If I were in
the
> market for a democracy, I would not pick one that you had anything to do
> with. I didn't say it before, but I'm saying it now. I think any one who
has
> any thing to do with your democracy is nuts. But no one here is as nuts as
> you.
>
> You want to know why I read your posts? I read them just to see what kind
of
> stupidity you come up with next.
>
> BTW if you ever decide to get a world, the offer is now off.
>
> Have a good life you loony
>
> Imagine
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4662ff at server1.Activeworlds.com...
AW
read
> you
> free
> torments
> on
> checking
> wants
business.
> the
> me,
> think
> them
So
> in
and
> your
time
> in
are
> of
modeler,
be
> you
would
about
> opinion.
convictions,
To
limiting
plan
doctrine
A
check
> be
> be
aren't
> a
> because
other.
> excuse
> believe
> thing.
> any
> you
the
are
upon
persist
physical
the
your
> torture
just
an
GOOD
> for
routed
here
> an
>
>
|
Aug 23, 2003, 11:00am
You are one of the few I know of that don't allow more than one person to
talk through your citizen name (unless I am badly mistaken). You are one of
the few that has kept the same citizen name since I've known you. I can
think of only very few others, Binary Bud, Princess Leia.
Why do other citizens, Pk's, and other leaders (supposedly people that
should have integrity) put people in so much pain allowing no telling who to
sign onto their citizen names. Especially when you think you are having a
very private conversation with someone you think you know? It is probably
one of the worst kinds of deceit that I can think of, and it does not help
to build and maintain trust in the community.
[View Quote]"ananas" <ananas at oct31.de> wrote in message
news:3f470f8a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> It goes on as long as people open new hate branches in
> those threads.
>
> The Lady does no harm so where's the freedom of speach?
> She does not attack individuals, doesn't use foul language
> doesn't attach huge files or use HTML so there is not any
> reason to delete her threads.
>
> Her opinions are quite extreme for AW of course - but if you
> dig in the history, you will find people who had extreme
> thoughts, have been killed or banned or laughed about and
> are heroes today.
>
> ActiveWorlds is maybe not the right place - but there is an
> Internet Parliament now for the online community and I bet
> that the first ones who asked for it has been laughed about.
> It has no power yet and only few privateers are members -
> but it is a start and would not exist if there were no ppl.
> with "strange" ideas.
>
> There's definitely _no_ reason to delete The Lady's threads.
>
>
> daphne wrote:
>
|
Aug 23, 2003, 1:03pm
> OK. I sat here long enough trying not to reply to these posts because I
know deep in your heart, The Lady, you are trying to improve what you see as
a problem.<
To be truthful, I am going further than that. I am voicing that AW needs to
give the power to the citizens by allowing them fair free elections with
absolutely no hint of fraud, coersion, voting twice, money laundering, money
given to special interests, power corporations coming in and using funds to
coerce our citizens for their own "special interests", etc. To be truthful,
I feel gratuities granted for special favors should be "AW Illegal".
I am also voicing the community needs to strengthen itself and one way to do
that is in small or medium sized groups of like minded people with a common
link that bonds them together. (Sometimes it isn't a common link, some like
variety.) Within that group there needs to be a leader, a code of ethics,
provisions that address the needs of the people. That leader needs to be
able to have the ability to link with other group leaders without prejudice,
indifference, counter-productive agenda, etc. They must have the gift of
open mindedness to work for the good (and I emphasize good) for all of AW.
>Nobody is there to form more governments or committees.<
I'm glad you are enjoying your online AW experience. There is already an
unauthorized by the people of AW, not voted for by the people of AW
dictatorship in place. It persuades many people to do very cruel acts of
punishment against citizens when they have done something wrong, immoral or
what a few people might think is not right in their eyes. I am voicing
quite clearly that this is not humane. I am seeking to relieve this
situation for those who are experiencing problems. It is your right to not
participate and continue with building and conversing with friends.
I have heard a few voice their opinions that they want their freedom back.
Some do want a democracy, I have seen it with my own eyes at gz.
>You seem to be the first and only person I've ever met who is interested in
making our virtual life more complex. Why cant' we just keep it simple???<
I am asking people to understand that there are citizens here who have been
treated inhumanely. I feel I have a moral obligation to try to help people
that are not being treated fairly. To do so under a oppressive regime is
like trying to swim against a tidal wave. In order for there to be total
reform, it must start from the top and work its' way down in order for
cruelties done to the citizens to cease. Enough is enough.
[View Quote]"lioness." <nobody at nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3f46d608$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> OK. I sat here long enough trying not to reply to these posts because I
know
> deep in your heart, The Lady, you are trying to improve what you see as a
> problem. Many people have tried in vain to explain to you that they are
> satisfied with their virtual lives and don't want more political mental
> baggage than in their own real worlds. Like Imagine, I go to AW as a
virtual
> escape. I made some really terrific friends there and I continue making
> friends. True, I spend more time socializing than creating, but at least I
> don't have to worry about anyone "supervising" me there. My friends in AW
> are a second family to me, but I enjoy NOT having to supervise anyone
there
> or doing more paperwork. AW is mostly a creative outlet for those people
who
> love to create virtual reality things and share them with others. The
people
> who are not into the building scene are there for the socialization.
Nobody
> is there to form more governments or committees. You seem to be the first
> and only person I've ever met who is interested in making our virtual life
> more complex. Why cant' we just keep it simple??? True there are some
jerks
> there that could use a good swift kick now and then.
>
> But I ask you..... what did you mean by "mishandling of funds"??? There
> are so many volunteers in AW. I don't believe anyone's getting paid real
> money.
>
> You also said:
> "Either we, as a community, get with the program and support each other,
> free ourselves, or we remain under the hostility of a dictatorship that
> torments our citizens."
>
> Huh???? What _hostility_? I don't see gangs of people beating upon each
> other and turning faces into pulp. Its VIRTUAL reality!!!! What
> dictatorship??? Did Musselini return from the dead??? Or Idi Amin?? What
> Torment??? Sure there are disagreements among us regarding different
> matters, and some people get out of hand, but that has NOTHING to do with
> AWI.
>
> I AM a free person. I don't need any "freeing" thank you. I am able to
> explore anything I like within a public world. When I registered as a
> citizen, I read the rules. Nobody OWNS me or bosses me around. I do my own
> thing. I thought THAT was the object of belonging to a virtual community.
I
> try to be polite to everyone, even if they offend me or annoy me. I may
get
> a bit sarcastic at times, but it is meant in good humor. I try to help out
> as best I can in different situations and try to keep the peace whenever
> possible.
>
> Also, I for one am not tormented. The worlds are rated to show us what is
> allowed to be discussed in public. If someone feels the need to go beyond
> that, then they need to look for a higher rated world. We can't and
> _shouldn't_ be coerced into changing all the world ratings to G or PG to
> suit a small population. (THAT would be "dictatorship"!!!) The real world
> doesn't work that way and you have to realize AW has visitors and citizens
> from all over the world. You mentioned something in an earlier post about
> physical torture. Scuse me???? As far as _I_ knew, all those karate and
> kickboxing sequences were not programmed to injure the human user of the
AW
> program. Or are some people having splinters forced under their nails as
> they type???
>
> I have no objections to any "spirituality" groups that enjoy meeting or
> socializing within AW. I'm sure nobody would object to that. If they do,
> they're insensitive dolts. If you want to organize a spirituality group,
> please do so with my blessing. However please don't depend on me to join
> you. I don't plan my real life schedule around AW. Its the other way
around.
> I fit in AW when I can, in my spare time like most other people there.
> Please also keep in mind that there are a LOT of spiritual "leaders" and
> wannabes online. I, personally, don't want to entrust my spirituality in
> someone who isnt' properly trained in the form of spirituality I want to
> persue. (does that make sense?) In other words, I already have a pastor in
> RL. I try to be a good Christian. I don't need an online "spirituality
> leader" or one who "claims" to be one or tries to be one. TYVM. ;-")
>
> Morality..... hmmmmmm. Speaking of "diverse". How can you POSSIBLY think
you
> can lump all morals into one bunch of people to "dictate" to everyone
> else???????? That one really perplexes me. I believe most people that go
to
> AW have good morals, even if some of them are perverts. Heh!! But who is
to
> say "his" morals are better than "hers"??? Let me repeat, the AW
population
> comes from different countries AROUND the world. Not just your little neck
o
> the woods hon. Visiting AW is like visiting a big city like New York. Feel
> free to explore and become active and social. But beware the dangers. Be
> aware of your surroundings and the people you talk to. Not everywhere or
> everyone is safe. "What if" you recruited a person in your little
"morality"
> group who claims to you to be a preacher of the highest standings????
"What
> if" that person you thought was one of the most moral people around was
> lying to you, or worse yet, perving on little kids online or in real
life???
> Is THAT the chance you want to take in your effort to organize groups
> online??? These days anyone can create a college degree looking form or
> certificate on their computer and there aren't too many people out there
who
> are qualified to know whether it is a real degree or not. So without
seeing
> their official and real "resume" and qualifications, you are putting
others
> at risk. Hmmm..... the name Charles Manson comes to mind for some reason.
> (Heh!! so does Marilyn Manson. <shudders>)
>
> As far as physical health and mental health issues go..... how do you
> propose to do that???? Put a virtual bandaid on everyone who jumps off a
> cliff.rwx???? Lets face it hon, there will ALWAYS be people who are more
> sensitive than others. They are the ones who fly off the handle at the
> littlest things. They are the ones who get offended too easily. They are
the
> ones who cry if they cuss and get booted from a world. There will ALWAYS
be
> people who throw a tantrum and vandalize builds or display signs with
> offensive material on it just to make someone embarrassed. Do you plan on
> going around, polling people to see who is licensed (in the real world) to
> give out health and/or mental health advice??? And what if you DO find
> someone like that?? You gonna keep bugging them till they bend to your
will
> and become the official AW Dr or Psychiatrist?? You planning on opening a
> virtual clinic??? Boy, talk about touchy issues there!! THAT would
> definately be an ethics problem and these days with the new HEPA law in
> effect in the USA, YOU could (and probably would) find YOURSELF in a huge
> lawsuit hon!! Not to mention the poor sap who dispenses that advice. AW
> would be shut down permentantly and also fined heavily. I know you don't
> want that to happen.
>
> Your "plan" and the description (or lack of it) is starting to sound to me
> and to a lot of other people here, like you are insisting on all these
> "changes" or we will all suffer something awful. Hmmmmm... aren't those
> lines also used by bureacrat wannabes and dictators??? From what I've
read
> so far, you are not going to find many people willing to commit to all
this.
> There are too many unanswered questions about your fantasy of how AW
should
> be "run". And I wouldn't count on many people turning up at your meeting.
> Its nice that you want to improve some things, but if you want democracy
> like you CLAIM you do, you'll allow us to use our FREEDOM to choose our
own
> paths and live our OWN virtual lives FREE of a big brother breathing down
> our virtual necks or having to vote on every little thing. But.... if you
> feel the need to be in control.... you should seriously take Imagine's
> advice and use AW as a creative tool, NOT a power tool. ;-")
>
>
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4662ff at server1.Activeworlds.com...
AW
read
> you
> free
> torments
> on
> checking
> wants
business.
> the
> me,
> think
> them
So
> in
and
> your
time
> in
are
> of
modeler,
be
> you
would
about
> opinion.
convictions,
To
limiting
plan
doctrine
A
check
> be
> be
aren't
> a
> because
other.
> excuse
> believe
> thing.
> any
> you
the
are
upon
persist
physical
the
your
> torture
just
an
GOOD
> for
routed
here
> an
>
>
|
Aug 23, 2003, 3:56pm
> FOR THELADY'S INFORMATION:::
Daphne, I have not ever personally experienced more than one person on your
citizen name while talking with you.
But I have with other people.
[View Quote]"daphne" <Daphne at notup2par.com> wrote in message
news:3f478c90 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Hello Kah...
>
> You are not wrong, or at least as far as I know you aren't... If you
share
> an account with someone, unless that someone else is implicitely trusted
by
> the PK Core, you will not be considered for a PK position... At least
> that's the way it used to be.. I can't say with any certainty any
more...
>
>
> FOR THELADY'S INFORMATION:::
> I can tell you that I have had this name almost since I began AW 6 years
ago
> and I don't share it with anyone... Only 2 ppl have my priv pw and they
are
> trusted implicitly by me and would never think to abuse the trust... If
you
> are talking to "Daphne" in AW then it is ME and no one else as I have
never
> shared my cit account password... I do have an account or 2 that I use to
> "disappear" in when I have some work that needs to be done and the
telegrams
> won't stop coming but I use them only rarely... I do have another account
> that I keep to allow me to share building projects with others under... I
> have paid for quite a few more accounts than those 3 but have given them
> entirely to other ppl that needed accounts...
>
>
> kah <kah at kahnews.cjb.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns93E0AA0C1331kahatkahnewsdotcjbdo at 64.94.241.201...
others
> cits
>
>
|
Aug 24, 2003, 10:25pm
speaking of chiCks, stay tuned.........
: D
[View Quote]"joeman" <john at fakeplastic.com> wrote in message
news:3f492fd9$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Ok, if your a chick, you've got problems of your own in a "ghetto", if
your
> a dude, who's not "built", you're going to get robbed by some random
> crackhead. If you're a female built like a linebacker, errr.... No
comment.
>
> -Joe
>
> "lioness." <nobody at nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:3f484ccc$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
to
alone
might
in
>
>
|
Aug 21, 2003, 9:07am
In response to No.1)
I read responses, sometimes not right away, but I usually do so within a
reasonable amount of time (about 2 days).
In response to No.2)
That is true.
[View Quote]"mrbruce" <A1CTWorld at aol.com> wrote in message
news:3f442ac1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> When the hell are you all going to learn 2 basic things?
> No.1) TheLady never reads anything you guys post, she posts and forgets
> about it.
> No.2) Nothing you guys say here is gonna make her stop posting.
> Conclusion: Why do you guys even bother reading her posts in the first
place
> if they annoy you? Curiosity? Looking for something to do to kill boredom?
> It's strange how you are all drawn to her posts soon after shes posts
them.
> This is a new forum, is AW that boring that you spend all your time
> chatting here in this forum?
> NOTE:SINCE YOU ARE ALL STUCK ON IGNOREING ME IN OTHER PEOPLE'S THREADS
> BABBLING MERE NONSENSE, I POSTED MY OWN THREAD :P
>
>
|
Aug 28, 2003, 12:21am
There are many worlds hosted in Active Worlds, a lot with 0 persons
occupying them. The list keeps growing, yet, average citizens logged in has
seen no significant increase. Where does the money come from to host all
the worlds?
Sep 3, 2003, 8:32pm
Hope you reconsider, baron, but if you don't hope everything goes well with
you.
[View Quote]"baron sweetman" <petrossadeletethis at msn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93EBE3309573petrossa at 64.94.241.201...
> I also take the step to quit AW. I wasn't here for long (about 1.5 years)
> but i see really nothing to keep me here.
> Chazbot will be supported and further developed, at least in the
> foreseeable future i see no reason to stop that.
>
> I have here a p10 paid up till may 2004, anyone seriously interested and
> can prove he/she is a Chazbot user can get caretaker rights. Send me an
> email if you are interested.It will be empty from today.
>
> Have fun,
>
> BaronS
>
>
>
> --
> If polluting the Environment is against the law it follows that human
> procreation should be outlawed
|
Sep 3, 2003, 9:36pm
Does error reporting actually get sent to AWI?
The box that pops up and gives us a choice of sending the error report or
not when AW shuts down - illegal error?
Would a technical person please answer. Citizens send those reports thinking
they are going to AWI. Are they?
Is the best policy to continue emailing support at activeworlds.com when there
is a problem?
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