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Feb 2, 2002, 9:31pm

Perhaps I'm missing something, but how is having Cy as a joker in bad
taste? *boggle*

[View Quote] > I like the playing cards being available; however, I feel the joker card
> being a Cy with a joker hat on is in bad taste. I think it should be
> changed to something different.
>
>
>


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Goober King
After all, he's the authority on bad taste...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 3, 2002, 5:13pm

Speak for yourself, sinew. Cy is an avatar, just like all the other
ones. The idea that it's somehow special and should be "revered" is just
lame. And frankly, all that silliness long ago about "stiff" Cy vs.
"moving" Cy was ridiculous as well.

As for your second point, it makes absolutely no sense. There's no
correlation at all between college sports (which I can only guess was
what you were referring to...) and playing cards. Methinks you could use
a big, fat reality check.

[View Quote] > LOL.
>
> well
>
> Point #1 AWCom should be representative for what is on their OP. We hold
> Cy in high reverance around here.
>
> Point #2 You wouldn't make a Bulldog mascot wear a cat suit at a ball game
> just because you decided it fit in with the theme of playing the Wildcats.
>
> No, in the game of cards, if you are going to use a Cy, take the hat off and
> let him be himself. Other things on the card (such as a background image)
> can define it as being a joker.
>
> In answer to questions about the remaining AW playing cards, none that I
> know of, other than Cy joker, are pictured using avatars.
>
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Goober King
Hands Moff a tissue box and says "Looks like you'll need it".
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 4, 2002, 6:55pm

Guess it really is time to cry, Moff...

Are you really so absorbed in AW that you insist on putting an avatar,
an inanimate string of data created by AWC only as a *prototype*, on a
pedestal?! I can understand if you see Cy as a sort of embodiment of
AW's history and origins, and that's fine with me. But the idea that
this thing is somehow sacred and should never be desecrated is just
stupid! Reality Check: It's just an avatar!!

Frankly, all this business surrounding Cy has just been retarded beyond
belief. First people protesting when COF wanted to take Cy off the av
list, then people protesting when COF wanted to give Cy gestures (The
fact that you even bothered to "correct" me about a trivial event that
occurred over 5 years ago proves how in need of a reality check you
are). And now *you* (note I didn't say "people") are protesting them
using it as a joke. Guess what? It's *their* av and they can do whatever
*they* want with it! Consider yourself lucky that they even bothered to
comply with all the protests back then just because you decided to make
it your idol.

So please, do us, and above all, your own sanity a favor and check out
Reality a little more often. You might be surprised at what you find
there...

[View Quote] > goober,
>
> If it were a cit that made the joker Cy card, uploaded it to his or her
> object path for their own use, that's their right. (Anyone can bring their
> own bulldog in a cat suit to the game playing the wildcats.) However, I
> don't feel it is appropriate for Activeworlds to put stuff on their OP, or
> produce in any other fashion anything that defaces Cy.
>
> Correct this in your memory bank, it was Bendy or Stiff. You're crazy to
> think I'll buy this type of back and forth banter for your amusement. To be
> pulling this out of your hat (notice I didn't say crown) is ridiculous.
>
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Goober King
Guess AW really *does* belong to the freaks...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 4, 2002, 6:59pm

It's this little thing we have in America called the "Super Bowl". One
of the teams playing in it was the "New England Patriots". Since AWC is
based in Massachusetts (not too far from Foxboro), which is part of New
England, AWC felt it had to act accordingly when the Pats won said Super
Bowl.

This has been your introduction to American Football. GO PATS!!!!!!!!!
*dances*

[View Quote] > What's with the signs and welcome msg in alpha world? And more to the
> point, what are the "patriots" ? Some sort of aw contest or something? I
> never heard of it.
>
>
>


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Goober King
Such a sad thing to not know Football...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 5, 2002, 2:26am

That was the joke, Trekker ;)

[View Quote] > Little??!?!?? The super bowl is huge in america! lol, a good 80% watch
> atleast some of the game, and almost all of them know who won, its also the
> top rated tv show in the US. (commercials cost upto a million dollars >:))
>
> --
> TrekkerX
> Commatron & Athnex
> Anti AOL Activist, and some other stuff...
> http://www.commatron.com
> http://www.athnex.com
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Goober King
*looks up* Guess he was little too...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 8, 2002, 2:56am

I highly doubt this will ever be an issue. <NAC> builds are accounts
that have already been wiped from the database, so you can't remove NAC
accounts. As for deleting property, that will never happen unless
someone requests it to GET. AlphaWorld is still only around %1 full of
objects, so it's not as if there's a land shortage. Besides, the amount
of man and bot hours it would take to remove every single <NAC> would be
a waste of AWC's time and resources. They've got more important things
to do (like marketing! :P).

Nothing to worry about! The <NAC>s aren't going anywhere! :)
[View Quote] > howdy
> What happens when AWcom decides to delete not a citizen and expired cit
> accounts property in aw world. and all public worlds. I know of many
> nice sites that would be lost forever. I know expired cits come back,
> but they could come back to not having any property. Example, a guy in
> the military fighting in the mid east, he comes home and learns AWcom
> deleted his stuff cause he expired. Many situations from this. What is
> everyones feeling on if AW decided to do this. How would it effect
> you. towns could have scattered vacent lots. Roads could be lost.
> Dreams could be lost. Lets hope this never happens, but the way things
> go here we know anything can happen. Have great day everyone :)
> Duskbat
>
>

--
Goober King
Unless, of course, you're the OHTV...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 15, 2002, 3:28am

Actually, as far as I know, Orcs are smaller than Ogres. I don't have a
D&D book handy to verify this, but I do know they're different. However,
I believe a Brownie is a subset of Fairy, could be wrong though.

As for some other races: Giant, Eagle, Berserker, Unicorn, Dragon,
Centaur, Demon, Vampire, Ghosts, and Ghouls should do nicely.

[View Quote] > hmm well an orc is actually the same thing as an ogre..
>
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Goober King
Been watching too many RPGs! :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 20, 2002, 3:27am

I must say, I always find it interesting the lengths to which Insanity
will go in order to plug his company. What is this, the fifth identity
you've conjured up now? It always seems like as soon as someone even
mentions the word "Heartfall", Insanity, in some form, is immediately on
their backs about it. Obviously, he truly lives up to his name...

[View Quote] > Since you know no factual data nornny why not just keep your mouth shut?
> Heartfall World Hosting is one of the largest most reliable hosting services
> around. http://worldhosting.heartfall.com It has been around for many years
> and hosts hundreds of extremely satisfied customers. The service they get is the
> the reason they refer so many of their friends. You just can't seem to help
> yourself from making comments can you? It's a shame you cannot post anything
> useful to readers other than those opinions. I posted replies because I was sick
> of the abusive nature people had in the world builders newsgroups. Kids like
> yourself who just like to flame rather than offer anything of value. If you wish
> to see the things that the Heartfall group does for users view some of these
> pages. http://www.heartfall.com/grounds/ http://www.heartfall.com/unicorns/
> http://www.heartfall.com/cobras/ http://www.heartfall.com/mechs/
> http://avatars.heartfall.com We spend our time making new and innovative ways
> for people to make unique worlds like A!!usion , SouI <cap i and Serenity To
> show users what they can do other than flat worlds. We are always helping
> people 7 days a week.
>
>
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<snip>


--
Goober King
At least this insane one can keep his name straight! :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 19, 2002, 3:35pm

Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. If you
think maintaining AW is a problem for AWC, imagine the fiasco that will
be created when you tell everyone that AW will be shut down and there is
mass propdumping in whatever world takes over. It would be a nightmare!

Not only that, but this new world would have to have objects that are at
least *very* similar to the ones in AW, otherwise your build would be
completely ruined. Therefore, you'd essentially have to make a copy of
the AW OP, which would defeat the purpose entirely!

I can understand where you're coming from, but it sounds to me like you
don't get out (in AW) much, no offense. Granted, the Ground Zero area is
definitely a mess and there are plenty of random, half-finished builds
scattered around the world, but it's still only %1 used up! It's not as
if we're running out of room any time soon. And there's plenty of
worthwhile builds all around AW that would take way too much effort to
try and preserve in a propdump. (SW City, anyone? :P)

While I do agree that the AW Universe could stand to see a new public
building world, it's obvious that AlphaWorld's popularity is far from
waning. AW has consistently been the #1 world on the Universe list since
it came into being all those years ago, and it's there for a reason.
Until AW starts to put up numbers like WildAW, I don't think AW needs to
go anywhere.

Besides, I've noticed that AWites tend to cling rather closely to their
virtual history and heritage. I doubt they'd let it go so easily...

[View Quote] > Has any one noticed how obsolete Alpha World is? It's avatars are tinny, the
> objects are a hodge podge of left-overs and the vast majority of the older
> builds are as good as destroyed by revisions to the browser.
>
> Has any one stopped to wonder, what sort of a drain on AWcorps resources
> this out of date world is? As you already know, further upgrades to the
> browser are made difficult as the developers attempt ( and don't always
> succeed) to make new compatible with the old. Lets face it, after 7 years
> Alpha is sad and tired and pulls down the general standard of the
> ActiveWorlds experience for newbies. And the life blood of any community AND
> company is newbies.
>
> As much as I love Alpha World and her many beautiful builds I firmly believe
> that it should pass on. With enough warning that citizens can transfer their
> builds and any others that are worth saving to a new world and make the
> necessary changes that it would take, only the unwanted rubbish would be
> left behind. It is important that any product keep up with the times in
> order to be a viable option as a marketable asset and our sentiment for old
> Alpha is going to destroy that and our community.
>
> I know ppl are going to be upset by this view but stop and think before you
> post a negative response. How many ppl see AW GZ as sadly in need of a
> refit? Compare Alpha World to many other worlds. The answer is obvious, the
> old girl has seen better days.
>
> We want this software to continue and grow , both for AW's good and our own.
> The more newbies that we can impress with the technology and with our
> community , the more chance we ALL have of staying in our virtual home away
> from home.
>
>
>


--
Goober King
Can't we all just let it go?
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 21, 2002, 11:56am

Think of AlphaWorld as a city: You've got your newly constructed office
skyscrapers with gleaming glass and funky designs, you've got newly
renovated warehouses-turned-office-complexes, you've got your run-down
apartments, back alleys, and lots that used to have a building on it,
but are now just collecting grass. Now tell me, would you uproot all the
old buildings just because their "old"? No, because they're a part of
that cities heritage and history, for better or worse.

If there's one thing I've learned about most cities, it's that they're
very reluctant to change. Who are we to decide what's worth saving and
what's not? Those three walls and a tree could prove to be very
sentimental to some pour soul who has since moved on. Whether they left
due to boredom, or they just couldn't afford it anymore, or they didn't
want to put up with AWC's antics anymore is not for us to determine.
Suppose this person comes back and finds that build wiped out. What
then? You can't rebuild history, even a virtual one.

As far as I'm concerned, AlphaWorld is an all-or-nothing proposition.
Either we keep it open (and there really is *no* reason it should *not*
be so), or close it to all further building and make the entire world a
giant museum. Otherwise, we'd be in for the worst logistics nightmare of
our lives.

[View Quote] > I think History is important. Very much so...... but lets face it, come on!
> Alpha is prehistoric! The good builds belong in a world specifically set
> aside for the purpose, NOT in the most popular world. The beautiful builds
> that i once wandered around and where in awe of, are dulled by new objects
> and commands. I remember when i saw Bobs Mountain for the first time.... and
> i was so impressed . Now......mmmm, why would any one use teleports when we
> have rocks? History belongs in a museum, where it can be appriciated as
> just that - HISTORY.
>
> Every newbie... ( and any one thats NEW is a newbie) wouldnt appriciate the
> imagination and love that went into a build like that.... they would just
> see it as a joke, a tepid joke, much like a overlapped ,scrappy NAC "three
> walls and a tree" build from '97.
>
> And thats what hurts me. The fact that the decaying few "old timers" are not
> enough to offset the "newbies" that we should be encoraging intio
> Activeworlds.....
>
> Stop and think.... perhaps we are preserving Alpha to spite our faces?
>
>
>
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
"Some who live deserve death, and some who die deserve life. Can you
give it to them, Frodo?"
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 22, 2002, 6:23pm

For the love of all that's holy, take this crap to worldbuilders! That's
what it's there for!

[View Quote] > Someone without world bot rights is using a bot in several
> worlds. I checked the logs of several unrelated worlds that
> have no bot rights entry in common, and all showed
>
> Wed 02/20/02 18:21:44 68.15.23.167:1725 -1 CONNECTED
> Wed 02/20/02 18:21:44 worldname 68.15.23.167:1725 -1 ENTER 30929 50
> Wed 02/20/02 18:21:44 worldname 68.15.23.167:1725 -1 IDENTIFIED '[Search Spider]' 0 1
> Wed 02/20/02 18:21:44 worldname 68.15.23.167:1725 1 EVENT MASK 0x0
> Wed 02/20/02 18:21:44 worldname 68.15.23.167:1725 1 DISCONNECTED
>
> It seems to have gone through the world list in alphabetical
> order and stayed in each world only for seconds.
>
> No "Not welcome" message, traceroute reveals nothing.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>


--
Goober King
And some of these people are the same ones who whine when *others* post
off-topic! :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 22, 2002, 11:58pm

If I really wanted to know how AW was screwing the world builders, then
I would visit... you guessed it! The worldbuilders newsgroup! This
little tiff of yours has absolutely nothing to do with anyone *but*
worldbuilders, therefore, it should stay *in* worldbuilders! How hard is
that to understand?

[View Quote] > It deals with the community and worldbuilders. The community deserves to
> know what AW's doing behind their backs.
>
> -Silenced
>
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
Don't you love it when other people decide what's important for you?
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 23, 2002, 6:15am

Now you're just being an idiot, Bowen. Frankly, I think you people are
getting stirred up over nothing, almost as if you *need* to be pissed
off about something, and so this seemed like a convenient topic. If the
thread had ended when 9 9 9 explained himself, then I wouldn't be
complaining. But instead, you people chose to drag it out into some sort
of long, draw-out argument over privacy. Therefore, if all you're going
to do is bicker endlessly, then take it to worldbuilders where people
might actually care.

This is hopefully the last time I'll have to point this out to you. I'm
not about to add any more to this retarded thread after this. Get a
grip, people!

[View Quote] > Well, worldbuilders and server runners are a tad bit different, some people
> who host servers don't necessarily own the worlds now do they? Ananas
> wanted to confirm what this was, the best way to do that was to post in the
> community newsgroup. Now, if you're in such a bad mood about it, quite
> simply, don't read it. Block the darn thread if you want, who cares? Since
> you feel the need to point out the moot, your post has nothing to do with
> the original point of the thread, it belongs in general dicussion, please
> post it in accordance.
>
> -Silenced
>
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
Worldbuilders: Rebels Without a Clue
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 26, 2002, 7:48am

Dude, I really gotta ask you something: We're you drunk when you went
through the NGs at 2:30 in the morning?! Most of the stuff you've put
out has been either pointless one-liners or incoherent babble such as
the post below. I *know* you can do better than this...

Going with the thrust of the thread, I'm not trying to "control" you.
Just wondering why there seems to be a decrease in coherency...

[View Quote] > ya know.. after reading parts of this in the reply, i have became interested
> in it and will go over the article, attempting to clrfy afof thfuzzy points,
> maybe give a bit of enlightenement to your theories..
> -
> "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted." --Hassan I Sabbah.
> -
> ..the other info you had here was just one mans interpertation of the above
> quote.. a very broad quote, at that, i read it to state that simply because
> nothing can be fully proven, it can not be slated as truth.. because nothing
> can be slated as truth, nothing can be fully proven. ..does that make sense?
> read between the lines..
> -
>
> Well, it's all the same. Law is law.
> -
> yes, obviously..
> -
>
> I am not a law student. In fact, I am not the smartest man you'll ever meet.
> Nope.
> -
> modesty.. i can see right through you.. you think we're all CrAzY! .. i
> can't blame you..
> -
>
> Lemme see... law.... laws are....
>
>
> Laws exist to the degree that they can be enforced. If it can't be enforced,
> it's not a law.
> -
> ok.. and..
> -
>
> Morality primarily deals with various flavors of the
> essential Golden Rule. Morality really has no interest in victimless crimes,
> but law loves that kind of stuff.
> -
> Morality and the golden rule.. hmm.. morality primarily deals in what we saw
> when we were raised, i.e. a white child in the south so many years ago sees
> no falsehood in the "morality" of slavery.. a christian brought up in a
> christian home sees no morality outside of their beliefs..
> The golden rule is a way we rationalize lies
> Victim is to transversal of a word, the grass is a victim of the lawn mower,
> and the lawn mower is the victim of the sticks in the yard.. we're all
> victims, we're all victimizers.. it's a tool for manipulation and sympothy
> -
>
> In RL, I can easily stick a toothpick into a sleeping person's eye. It's
> pretty easy. But not only is it illegal, it's just plain wrong. I have
> absolutely no desire to do such a thing, and I bet few people do.
> -
> I'de hope not.. but what if someone was raised that poking a sleeping person
> in the eye with a toothpick was a sign of upmost respect.. then would it be
> wrong? would it be illegal? ..would it still seem "so insane" .. it's all
> with how you were reaised and experienced certain things..
> -
>
> In software, on the other hand, the only things that are truly illegal are
> those things that are truly impossible. If you don't want me to copy the CD
> your music company pressed, you have to make it technically impossible for
> me to make a perfect copy. Sorry, you have to. Not only that, your customers
> may want to pay a little less for a copy-protected CD. Sorry.
> -
> it's not the perfect copy of the CD that's in question, it's what's on the
> cd.. the words, the sounds that it produces.. those are copyrighted and can
> not be copied, er "stolen" ..they shouldn't have to make it technologically
> impossible for you to break a law, to get you to follow it.. that is an
> oxymoron.. if there was no way to copy it, there wouldn't be a law and there
> wouldn't be a problem, therefor if they did make it impossible to copy, then
> they wouldn't need to, because their wouldn't be a problem, because their
> wouldn't be a law (does that make sense? again, read between the lines..
> don't focus on the words, but the words behind them)
> -
>
> In the world of software, not only is it absurd, it is rude to tell people
> that they should not do something that obviously, implicitly, they can
> easily do if they want to. User interfaces are not supposed to grant people
> power to do things that they are not supposed to do.
> -
> is it rude to tell a "drug dealer" not to sell drugs, that's somethign they
> can easily do if they want, and they make lots of profit.. it's convenient,
> and profitable.. yet it's not rude to send a drug dealer to jail.. sure they
> are on two different planes, but they are the exact same situation..
> -
>
> A great example of this is when I visit someone's world in AW... I try out
> some avatars and immediately someone snaps "Av Check". Or worse, someone
> snaps "That's a restricted avatar.".
>
> No, IT'S NOT!!!! If I can select it, IT'S NOT RESTRICTED.
> -
> i can steal a cop car. i can get the keys, start the ignition, and drive it
> away.. yet it's illegal, or as you like to put it, restricted..
> -
>
> This is not a moral debate, it's a matter of designing appropriate user
> interfaces. It is the software architect's responsibility to guide the user
> experience into polite, pleasant, and moral pathways. No one should ever be
> surprised or angered by what another person does with their software. If
> they are not happy with how it is used, they should change the software, not
> the users.
> -
> it's a debate on interpertation..
> the only reason that there is a debate on it.. is that there is a debate on
> it.. it's feeding off of itself because we are too distracted by the words
> to see.. the words..
> -
>
>
>


--
Goober King
Coherency is important in a world made of text...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 28, 2002, 5:48am

Blame Anduin Lothario for the name. I told him it was pretty stupid too
when he came up with it, but he went with it anyway.

The official name is "United States/World Federation" (note the / in
there). The "states" part refers to towns, and "world" to worlds. Add
that to the fact that "United" and "Federation" are pretty much
redundant (how many federations *aren't* united?!), and you can see it's
not exactly a straight-forward name.

Still, just because it says "United States" in there doesn't mean it's
just for Americans. Then again, that's part of the reason why the name
is so strange. :P

[View Quote] > Isn't it some sort of club of American world owners of the teen variety?
> Seems fairly straight forward.
>
>
>


--
Goober King
You *can* change the name, y'know!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 28, 2002, 7:35pm

I had suggested to Anduin the name of "World Economy Network", since it
seemed that, at the time, his main thrust was the banking system. But I
guess you've moved away from that. So, AWUC works, but it's a shame that
AWC forces all its "affiliates" to slap "AW" to the front of their names. :(

[View Quote] > Yeah, we were thinking of a name change to something like AWUC. AW United
> Communities This name would make more sense for the organization. What do
> you all think on this name?
>
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
This is AWGooberKing, signing off!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 28, 2002, 10:01pm

Yes. Apparently when you participate in AWC's "Citizen Project" deal,
part of it is that you have to attach "AW" to the front of your name.
They say this is so that people will know you're partnered with AWC, but
I don't see why people need to know this. :P

[View Quote] > Forces?
>
> SW Chris
>
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--
Goober King
"AWUTN" just scares him...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 2, 2002, 2:56am

Though the recent trend in here seems to be seeing who can bitch the
most, I continue to read these NGs, holding out the faint hope that
someone will actually post something that's meaningful, well
thought-out, and on-topic. Unfortunately, that seems to be the
exception, rather than the rule.

What people in here seem to forget is that one of the *benefits* of the
NGs is that you can take as much time as you want to think out your
responses. This isn't real-time chat, so you don't have to worry about
people thinking your "taking too long" and your responses will actually
make sense! But sadly, people seem to be more interested in writing
things off the cuff and spur-of-the-moment instead of actually *gasp*
THINKING!

I'd like to think that if everyone actually took the time to think out
what it is they were trying to get across, not only would discussions be
much more civil, but threads might actually be shorter, since people
could say all they need to say in one post, instead of stringing it
along in a bunch of short posts.

But alas, the track record in here shows that I doubt that will be the
case any time soon. Oh well, a guy can dream, can't he?

[View Quote] > Looking at this NG and seeing that once again a new comer enters and
> fills the posts with trash...
> Speaking rudely to a few of the people who have really contributed to
> the users...
> It would be nice to see civility return...
> Ananas simply made a suggestion of taking your fight off the NG so that
> all users were not abused by the flame war.
>
> Perhaps AW should limit the number of posts per month per citizen
> account. Personally I would hate to see it come to that but if it would
> help clean up the flaming trash I would vote for it!
>
> No need to flame this post... no need really to even reply to it... it's
> just a thought...
>
> Peace, health & healing to all...
>
> Filmkr & InSaNiTy
> http://worldhosting.heartfall.com
>
>
>
>


--
Goober King
Just once, wishes Eep would return to whip people into shape...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 2, 2002, 6:43am

Guilty conscience, SOS? Somehow, I figured you would be the one to reply
to my post. I guess you think I was talking about you. Well, for once,
you're right: I was (at least, you're one of them)! :)

Something you people don't seem to realize is that there's a serious
flaw in the "Don't like it, don't read it" argument. How can you know if
you will like a post or not until you read it? And if it turns out you
didn't like the post, you can't exactly un-read it, now can you?

The point is, the topics that get posted here are not what's at fault,
because if that was the case, then it would be very easy to ignore
topics that I don't like to read about. The problem is in each
individual post. And you can't know anything about the nature of a post
until you read it.

Granted, there are posters with a history of making "good" posts, and
those who consistently make "bad" posts. But I'd like to think that even
the worst, most inconsiderate poster in the world can come up with an
intelligent post now and then *cough*Eep*cough* (just as even the best
posters can get a little juvenile sometimes *cough*Bud*cough*). And I
eagerly await the moment you can prove to us that you have the sense to
post intelligently.

Until then, you will serve as wonderful entertainment. I always do enjoy
watching idiots make fools of themselves, especially if it requires very
little prodding on my part. :-D

And yes, I'm very judgmental. But unfortunately, I also tend to be right
about these sort of things. ;P When you've been around the NGs this
long, you tend to notice a lot of patterns...

[View Quote] > some what judgemental on your part wouldnt you say ?
>
> a) if you dont like the thread then you see the - on the right of the top
> level thread ? (i pressume that you are using a windows news reader) click
> it, and when it turns to a + never click that one again. This will prevent
> you having your dreams shattered in the future.
>
> b) Read through the posts, on the whole, alot of them are almost the same
> size to yours
>
> c) The majority of the posts are reponses, addressing the issues made in the
> sub thread of the top level thread. Therefore, as with most newsgroups, as
> the initial subject is disected further and becomes more to the point, the
> posts will becoming shorter and have less points in them. I think its
> called something along the lines of "organised discussion"
>
> I guess you are too busy judging others posts to THINK this through and
> realise how a newsgroup tends to break down a large set of abstract points
> in to specific particular points.
>
> Perhaps it's you who needs to do a spot of thinking before you post.
>
> lots of love and kisses
>
> kris[Sun.Of.Solaris.]
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
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Goober King
Just ONCE, can't he be WRONG?!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 2, 2002, 7:27pm

I think I'll have to reply to this one in piecemeal...

[View Quote] > "Until then, you will serve as wonderful entertainment. I always do enjoy
> watching idiots make fools of themselves, especially if it requires very
> little prodding on my part. :-D" sounds like an echo of BinaryBud
>
> Aren't you clever suspecting that i would be the one to reply to your post,
> a simple empirical observation wouldnt you think, being as i have replied to
> nearly all other posts, when they have been made in this thread concerning
> me.


If you actually read my original post in this, you were never mentioned
by name. I was commenting on the general trend of some people of
dragging things out longer than necessary, and I felt like filmkr's
thread was a good place to post it. The fact that you replied to it
means that you think you are one of those people. Am I wrong here?


> "Don't like it, don't read it" go and read the post i made, i said close the
> thread if you dont like the content of the thread. I think before you
> start slating a post of a thread, you should at least read EXACTLY what is
> said.


Talk about contradiction! How can I go read the posts you made when you
tell everyone to not read them?! As I said before, the topics of the
thread are not what's at fault. I have no problem reading about spy bots
or port scans or what-have-you. It's each individual post within those
topics that are "good" or "bad". And, as I pointed out before, you can't
know if you will like or dislike a post UNTIL you read it! What part of
this are you not getting?


> "Guilty conscience, SOS? " not at all, please explain what you beleive i
> have to be guilty about ? The reason i felt the urge to resposd was i
> can't stand the judgmental likes of you, who deems him self worthy of
> casting lack of worth upon others words/product. Which i might add is the
> only reason that this thread started in the first place. If "Bud" hadnt
> have deemed himself God and decided to have run down my abillity/creation
> then he would never have had the need to come here and try n flame me to the
> extent he has.


As stated above, guilty of being one who does not take the time to think
out his posts and drags discussions out longer than necessary. As for me
being judgmental, I have a right to be so. Worth is in the eye of the
beholder, and so if I believe you words aren't worth much, they will be
treated as such by me. Everyone else in this newsgroup follows the same
procedure. The reason you don't hear from them is that they deem your
words not even worthy of a reply.


> One more thing, you mention that newsgroups are wonderful in that there is
> no need for lots of small posting with minor points and that ppl dont need
> to rush in their responses. As I have already pointed out, the "minor
> postings" point is already incorrect. I would know also like to put it to
> you that newsgroups are often also referred to as "discussion" groups.
> Discussion involved conversation does it not ? how many conversation have
> you had where you say something, the others in your coversation say
> something, and thats it ? conversation over ? Not many i doubt. No wait
> you are Godly right ? You only have to speak once because your words can
> never be wrong ? You simply deem all others words to be worthless, hence
> only need for you to speak once. No i didnt think so. Its called
> discussion, and during discussion, other people's contributions will spark
> another point that you have to contribute to a conversation. Its an
> amazing tool discussion, i think you will find that some of the greatest
> ideas/inventions/creations in the modern world wouldnt have come about with
> discussion.


Once again, you completely missed my point. It's not the length of the
post or the thread that's the problem, it's quality of the content of
the posts in the thread. If we had a huge thread in here full of well
thought-out, intelligent posts on some AW-related topic, then I would be
ecstatic. But if you have a huge thread where it's mostly two people
going back and forth repeating themselves (as was the case with you and
Bud), then it's no longer a discussion and instead just petty bickering.
And I doubt you want to see an NG full of petty bickering any more than
I do.


> "And yes, I'm very judgmental. But unfortunately, I also tend to be right
> about these sort of things. ;P When you've been around the NGs this
> long, you tend to notice a lot of patterns..." - yet another echo of "Bud",
> you've been doing it for so long and no one else has huh ? Let me explain
> something my friend, i would hardly say my experience of the net is limited,
> and i have been about newsgroups for many years. In my experience it's ppl
> such as you that only wish to contribute whines about HOW other ppl post
> rather response relevant to the posts that degredates the whole ideal.
> Part of that ideal being freedom of speech.


I love how people try to use Freedom of Speech as an excuse to act like
a fool. While "Freedom of Speech" may or may not mean "I can say
whatever I want to" (depends on who you ask), it doesn't mean you
should. Would you start yelling and shouting in a library just because
you could, citing Freedom of Speech? I doubt it. There is an unwritten
protocol in NGs that allows for the best discussions (sometimes referred
to as 'Netiquette'). If you choose to follow that protocol, then you
will get the best and most worth-while discussions. If you don't, then
you will degenerate the discussions into worthless ranting and
bickering. Part of the idea of "think before you speak" is thinking how
other people will react to what you say.


> on that note, when you're a ng moderator then you have power to speak in the
> way you have, until then i suggest you start another thread entitled
> "Whines" so that i may exercise the simple and common sense approach of
> "Don't like, don't read it". thanks
>
> lots of love and kisses

>
> kris[Sun.Of.Solaris.]
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>


As an aside, I love how you always sign off with that "lots of love and
kisses" phrase, and yet you don't seem to be displaying too much love
here in these NGs. More proof that you're not really thinking things
over when you post...


>
>
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
Thinking is such a foreign concept to some...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 2, 2002, 6:49am

Methinks you're asking in the wrong place, since I don't think too many
non-AW universe owners prowl these newsgroups. Try posting it in
Outerworlds or Dreamland Park's NGs (assuming they have ones).

Another option you might consider is asking AWC to sponsor your plan as
a "Citizens Project". If you send them an outline of what you hope to
accomplish, and how you hope to accomplish it (as well as mention that
it could help boost membership), they could very well agree to sponsor
you with a world that will fit your needs. As long as you make it sound
good enough, they'll probably give you whatever you need (provided you
of course make sure to let people know AWC is sponsoring you :P).
Something to think about...

[View Quote] > I have started a new project. Some of you have heard about it, but most
> haven't. I am trying to keep it as secret as possible, so not much info is
> going to be directly posted, YET. I have worlds to test my bot and objects
> in, but no perminate world. The project is a new type of RPG. I have named
> it an RLF, Real-Life Fantasy. The new genre of games takes RPG games and
> puts them into your hands. These games include EverQuest, Ultima Online, and
> others. My game of course comes closer to the definition. :) One problem in
> it is that I need a BIG world to make it fun. It would be somewhat pointless
> in a small world. Not something i want my project to come to. I don't have
> money to pump into another world...or any world for that matter. And the
> kind of world I'm looking towards is a P-50 or P-100....like $1000+. So I
> have one option remaining. Sponsership. I need some kind hearted person, who
> also wants to attract vistors to their stuff :), to provide me with a world.
> I doubt that I will find such a world in AW, THUS I'm looking more towards
> an outside Universe for support. This accually helps tho. Becuase i believe
> this project will be interesting enough to attract citizens, thus boosting
> the Universes populatirty. And what does a universe owner have to provide?
> Little. Only a world, which costs them nothing, and strong hosting
> abilities, which the universe should already have. So in a buissness matter
> of things sponsering my project costs you nothing and gives you major
> results. There is little to lose.
>
> Short Version of message: I need a kind hearted universe owner to sponser
> my project. I need a P-50 or P-100 world with FULL hosting. Hosting needs to
> be as quick as flint to support my bot. The returns of hosting my project is
> User attraction. People will go to your universe looking to play my game and
> then will eventually begin to gain interest in the Universe that provided
> such kind help. Please assit.
>
> Thank you!
>
> P.S. If you ARE a universe owner and need more information you can contact
> me. Bill at vectracon.com but I will not give out very many details. This
> project is to be kept as undercover as possible.
>
>
>


--
Goober King
We could use some more fun around here...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 2, 2002, 10:38pm

And this is what I mean by being such a wonderful form of entertainment.
It takes a *lot* to piss off APB (I should know ;P), so I would not take
her lightly. And considering the kind of connections she has within AWC,
she's got the walk to back up the talk. The fact that you were
"shouting" and "spamming" during a meeting where you were told not to is
reason enough to eject anyone, welcomed or not welcomed.

This indeed should be fun to watch develop. The NGs as a spectator
sport; I love it! Anyone want some popcorn? :D

[View Quote] > and where in that log is the welcome you spoke of ? Would you like me to
> post the full transcript from the moment i came to the world to the moment
> you ejected me ?
>
> and everything in those grams i already quoted myself as saying in my
> previous post, so what was the point in the cut and paste ?
>
> i suggest you post that log to my isp, and please please be sure to cut and
> paste the response you get to this thread.
>
> Lots of love and kisses
>
> kris[SunOfSolaris]
>
> xxxxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
Shit's on!!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 3, 2002, 7:55pm

Then why don't you take your own advice: If you don't like it, don't
read it! If you never even visit the NGs in the first place, you'll
never have to hear people bashing you and you can code in peace!

[View Quote] > then why the need to even respond to the newsgroup concerning me any way ?
> for some one who doesnt care about me, well you have a funny way of showing
> it.
> And code something ? i am currently, and if you would all stop
> interrupting my by emailing/ng'ing bs about me m sure i would complete my
> project a whole heap quicker.
>
> cheers
>
> Sun
>
>
>
>


--
Goober King
A big ole Southern-fried DUH! to SoS
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 4, 2002, 6:45am

Whatever happened to "Just ignore him", Chris? :P

[View Quote] > You can turn around three times blindfolded and put your finger on one that
> fits that criteria.
>
> SW Chris
>
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
Practice what you preach...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 3, 2002, 8:38pm

I think it's safe to say that SoS is truly the definition of "Stone
Deaf", as Shred put it (See
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame78.html for what I'm talking
about). I think he's made it perfectly clear that he's not going to
budge or apologize to anyone or anything until everyone in these NGs
agrees with him. Until that time, he will continue to post and rant and
whine until he gets what he wants.

Therefore, I'm making a suggestion (or perhaps a plea) to the entire NG
community (Yes, even you Bud) to just completely ignore SoS. Don't reply
to anything he says, don't write anything about him directly, don't even
email him about something he posts in the NGs (If that means you have to
add him to your killfile, then so be it). Just let him rant and rave to
himself and eventually, once he sees that he's not getting the attention
that he's obviously starving for, he'll move on to "greener" pastures,
or until Flagg decides to forcefully remove him, whichever happens first.

[View Quote] > its one thing being immature in the NGs. it is yet another to email people
> regarding NGs. i like to keep anything in the NGs... in the NGs... and sun
> please dont be so immature and email people about ur problems with their
> posts. ill be nice and not sopy in here all the mean idiotic things u
> emailed me. if u wanna insult me do it here. :-)
>
>
>


--
Goober King
It takes two to tango, and SoS can dance all night...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 6, 2002, 5:05am

*poke poke*

Good, guess I'm still here too. Guess I haven't been stirring the ol'
pot too hard lately! ;)

[View Quote] > Just seeing if I'm still here...LOL
>
>
>


--
Goober King
Hey, you never know with these touchy AWC types ;P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 19, 2002, 2:34am

Part of the problem is that some of us have been helping keep AW above
water for years now, mostly without AWC even realizing it. Then they try
to raise prices, and everyone pretty much says "Screw you. You didn't
value me when I paid you $20 a year, and there's no evidence that it
will change if I pay $60 a year." Most of us are fed up with AWC's
shenanigans and this price increase is essentially the straw that broke
the camel's back.

I liken the situation to an abusive husband (AWC) beating his devoted
wife (the citizens). Even though the husband treats her like crap, she
still insists that she loves him and has been made to believe that it's
all her fault and that she needs to protect her husband from his
mistakes. Eventually it gets to the point where the husband feels he can
get away with anything and almost kills her. Some women are able to
break away from the denial and abuse and report him to the police before
it gets any worse. The question before all of us now is, do we want to
continue this cycle of abuse and stay in denial, or walk away from this
"relationship" for good before it gets any worse?

The point is, people don't want to support AW anymore until they see
some proof that AWC has finally learned its lesson and is taking steps
in the right direction to fix its mistakes. But until then, we've gotten
tired of having to "help AW stay afloat" and make up for AWC's mistakes,
and I, for one, am tired of holding this sinking ship up any longer. As
far as I'm concerned, they've got a year to prove themselves (cit runs
out on 4/03). If they last that long, and are actually *improving* the
situation, I'll renew. Otherwise, they'll have one less pair of hands to
help carry this ever-increasing load.

I love AW as much as the next guy, but there's a fine line between love
and masochism. Enough is enough.

[View Quote] > I agree zeo. My world Barsoom (and my current account along wth it) comes up
> for renewal in a few months, unless AW is a barren wasteland we will be not
> only renewing but upgrading yet again. If you love AW, then you have to try
> and help them stay afloat or lose them forever.
>
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
It's financial harassment, and we don't have to take it!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 23, 2002, 1:57am

You give me far too much credit, PC. Fact is, I've already argued this
point with Brant many times, and he is far from the newbie you seem to
be painting him as. That being said, I will agree with you that this is
a problem that goes well beyond January 2nd. Even when it seemed like
Rick & Co. were turning around and starting to listen to us (i.e. AW
3.3), they go and pull something like this, which only goes to show that
the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Frankly, I think the only reason that AW has lasted as long as it has is
*specifically* because of this community. If everyone was to actually
follow up with their threats of not renewing their citships, then this
place would go down the tubes faster than you can say "GZ frame rate",
Netbroadcaster.com or not. As far as I'm concerned, the future of AW is
now out of our hands. If Rick and JP can't wake up and realize that the
community is its biggest asset SOON, then it will be too little, too
late when they eventually DO.

[View Quote] > Hi everyone:
>
[View Quote]
<snip>


--
Goober King
Ponders starting another AWUniv course: AW History 101
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 27, 2002, 3:09pm

It helps if you read the rest of the thread :P

[View Quote] > Police station ? Town signs? What are you on about?
>
>
>

--
Goober King
It's a loooong story...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Apr 3, 2002, 7:31pm

Good lord, will you two go posture and strut somewhere else (preferably
in email)?! We've gone *way* off topic, and it's getting painful to read
long threads about nothing, not to mention all the bad typing! >_<

Sounds to me like you *both* need to grow up. Oy!

[View Quote] > aight, im 16 6"something, brown hair and eyes. libyan. male, still wanna
> know more bout me?
>
> and maybe we should talk bout why it was my first post to u was rude. cuz of
> how at first u might have been helping, but then it was just a sort of
> revenge, tring to make sonofsolarios look bad....
>
> and, please, tell me the people i was being disrespectful to, well atleast
> without reason....
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
And that's all he's got to say about that!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

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