1  |   Order by index

Mar 1, 2002, 6:12pm

Looking at this NG and seeing that once again a new comer enters and
fills the posts with trash...
Speaking rudely to a few of the people who have really contributed to
the users...
It would be nice to see civility return...
Ananas simply made a suggestion of taking your fight off the NG so that
all users were not abused by the flame war.

Perhaps AW should limit the number of posts per month per citizen
account. Personally I would hate to see it come to that but if it would
help clean up the flaming trash I would vote for it!

No need to flame this post... no need really to even reply to it... it's
just a thought...

Peace, health & healing to all...

Filmkr & InSaNiTy
http://worldhosting.heartfall.com

Mar 1, 2002, 6:14pm

Move it to wishlist then ;). It's really a wish.. I don't see it happening
though.

-Silenced

[View Quote]

Mar 1, 2002, 6:17pm

yeah nice thought
how ever i dont sit still when there are ppl flaming me


[View Quote]

Mar 1, 2002, 6:24pm

I don't either ... but a limit to posts would have ended the long trash war to
a simple post and then a reply with one's defensive facts. It would keep the
peanut gallery from chiming in and remove the brawl to a chat room or e-mail
debate. It would brighten the news group up so that users felt good about
using this place. I know of more than 100 people who will not post here
because of all the allowed flames. I speak for their benefit. They pay the
same amount of money for their AW use. In fact, most of them own worlds and
have spent considerably more... Sad that they can't have a clean
community... remember, making a better community starts with one person and
then it grows...


[View Quote] > yeah nice thought
> how ever i dont sit still when there are ppl flaming me
>
[View Quote]

Mar 1, 2002, 6:44pm

well advise your friend "Bud" to cease his flaming of me
if you read my posts, i am merely defending myself against his accussations
on the most part


[View Quote]

Mar 1, 2002, 8:14pm

do you really have to create so many new posts just to tell other people to
stop flaming you (or other people)? I'm not justifing flaming but seriusly,
you create just as much trash too, keep your arguments in the same posts.

[View Quote]

Mar 1, 2002, 8:20pm

if that was directed at me, i suggest you take a look at who is starting new
"top level threads"(i think this is what you meant) I think you will find
that not one of them have i started.

lots of love n kisses

kris[SunOfSolaris]

xxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxx


[View Quote]

Mar 1, 2002, 8:55pm

why not just create a new group called "arguments"?

Its still a NewsGroup, they should be happy :D

[View Quote]

Mar 1, 2002, 10:51pm

I'd have to disagree, simply on principle...and I hope this doesn't come
across as something even close to a flame :-)

I try to post with comments, tips, or opinions that I believe will help
people in their AW endeavors. I also enjoy participating in some of the
lively yet on-topic threads that (once in a blue moon) appear in these
groups. Sometimes I post once a week, sometimes several times per day...not
that anyone ever really pays any attention to me, but I make the posts
anyway ;-)

The scenario I can foresee, is that I will have reached reach my
pre-programmed post limit at just the point in time that I have a definitive
answer to someone's question...or I will have exceeded my limit by
participating in a thread that's generating useful and helpful information
as it progresses, and I can no longer be a part of it other than as an
observer.

Usenet is what you make of it...what everyone has to remember, is that this
is all 0's and 1's...words on a screen...if a thread or a message does not
interest you, don't read it. If someone says something you disagree with
simply on a personal level, let it go - resist the urge to flame the person.
It's not that hard to exercise restraint if you take a quick "step back" and
think about the big picture - or more importantly, how the post in question
will affect that big picture, if at all.

I could go on for days, but I won't. Keep posting permissions as they are,
and let AW handle the curtailing of abusive posters.

A few heated threads consisting of people seeing who can pee the farthest do
not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, and general practices of the
rest of the community ;-)

[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 12:33am

as you can see, filmkr started the post and i was directly repling to him,
so the obvius asumption would be i was directing it at him.... he seems to
make a new post every time an argument breaks out, its going to happen
wether we like it or not, itd be ok if he did it once but he ddoesnt have to
do it every time an argument occurs.

[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 12:45am

perhaps he wants to be a God to, just like "Bud", thats what i have been
told any way

kris[Sun.Of.Solaris.]


[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 2:56am

Though the recent trend in here seems to be seeing who can bitch the
most, I continue to read these NGs, holding out the faint hope that
someone will actually post something that's meaningful, well
thought-out, and on-topic. Unfortunately, that seems to be the
exception, rather than the rule.

What people in here seem to forget is that one of the *benefits* of the
NGs is that you can take as much time as you want to think out your
responses. This isn't real-time chat, so you don't have to worry about
people thinking your "taking too long" and your responses will actually
make sense! But sadly, people seem to be more interested in writing
things off the cuff and spur-of-the-moment instead of actually *gasp*
THINKING!

I'd like to think that if everyone actually took the time to think out
what it is they were trying to get across, not only would discussions be
much more civil, but threads might actually be shorter, since people
could say all they need to say in one post, instead of stringing it
along in a bunch of short posts.

But alas, the track record in here shows that I doubt that will be the
case any time soon. Oh well, a guy can dream, can't he?

[View Quote] > Looking at this NG and seeing that once again a new comer enters and
> fills the posts with trash...
> Speaking rudely to a few of the people who have really contributed to
> the users...
> It would be nice to see civility return...
> Ananas simply made a suggestion of taking your fight off the NG so that
> all users were not abused by the flame war.
>
> Perhaps AW should limit the number of posts per month per citizen
> account. Personally I would hate to see it come to that but if it would
> help clean up the flaming trash I would vote for it!
>
> No need to flame this post... no need really to even reply to it... it's
> just a thought...
>
> Peace, health & healing to all...
>
> Filmkr & InSaNiTy
> http://worldhosting.heartfall.com
>
>
>
>


--
Goober King
Just once, wishes Eep would return to whip people into shape...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 2, 2002, 3:25am

some what judgemental on your part wouldnt you say ?

a) if you dont like the thread then you see the - on the right of the top
level thread ? (i pressume that you are using a windows news reader) click
it, and when it turns to a + never click that one again. This will prevent
you having your dreams shattered in the future.

b) Read through the posts, on the whole, alot of them are almost the same
size to yours

c) The majority of the posts are reponses, addressing the issues made in the
sub thread of the top level thread. Therefore, as with most newsgroups, as
the initial subject is disected further and becomes more to the point, the
posts will becoming shorter and have less points in them. I think its
called something along the lines of "organised discussion"

I guess you are too busy judging others posts to THINK this through and
realise how a newsgroup tends to break down a large set of abstract points
in to specific particular points.

Perhaps it's you who needs to do a spot of thinking before you post.

lots of love and kisses

kris[Sun.Of.Solaris.]

xxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxx




[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 6:43am

Guilty conscience, SOS? Somehow, I figured you would be the one to reply
to my post. I guess you think I was talking about you. Well, for once,
you're right: I was (at least, you're one of them)! :)

Something you people don't seem to realize is that there's a serious
flaw in the "Don't like it, don't read it" argument. How can you know if
you will like a post or not until you read it? And if it turns out you
didn't like the post, you can't exactly un-read it, now can you?

The point is, the topics that get posted here are not what's at fault,
because if that was the case, then it would be very easy to ignore
topics that I don't like to read about. The problem is in each
individual post. And you can't know anything about the nature of a post
until you read it.

Granted, there are posters with a history of making "good" posts, and
those who consistently make "bad" posts. But I'd like to think that even
the worst, most inconsiderate poster in the world can come up with an
intelligent post now and then *cough*Eep*cough* (just as even the best
posters can get a little juvenile sometimes *cough*Bud*cough*). And I
eagerly await the moment you can prove to us that you have the sense to
post intelligently.

Until then, you will serve as wonderful entertainment. I always do enjoy
watching idiots make fools of themselves, especially if it requires very
little prodding on my part. :-D

And yes, I'm very judgmental. But unfortunately, I also tend to be right
about these sort of things. ;P When you've been around the NGs this
long, you tend to notice a lot of patterns...

[View Quote] > some what judgemental on your part wouldnt you say ?
>
> a) if you dont like the thread then you see the - on the right of the top
> level thread ? (i pressume that you are using a windows news reader) click
> it, and when it turns to a + never click that one again. This will prevent
> you having your dreams shattered in the future.
>
> b) Read through the posts, on the whole, alot of them are almost the same
> size to yours
>
> c) The majority of the posts are reponses, addressing the issues made in the
> sub thread of the top level thread. Therefore, as with most newsgroups, as
> the initial subject is disected further and becomes more to the point, the
> posts will becoming shorter and have less points in them. I think its
> called something along the lines of "organised discussion"
>
> I guess you are too busy judging others posts to THINK this through and
> realise how a newsgroup tends to break down a large set of abstract points
> in to specific particular points.
>
> Perhaps it's you who needs to do a spot of thinking before you post.
>
> lots of love and kisses
>
> kris[Sun.Of.Solaris.]
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
Just ONCE, can't he be WRONG?!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 2, 2002, 6:52am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Hey Kris - This goes BOTH ways, ya know.... :-)

I, for one, happen to think that Goober is probably one of the most
objective (if not *the* most objective person on these NGs (that's a
compliment BTW Goober :-)). I mean think about it. Filmkr has said some
numbskulled, knuckleheaded, blockheaded, and most definately moronic things
on these NG's lately and he's been raked over the coals each and every time
by me and several other people.

However Goober hasn't done any coal raking (at least when it comes to
Filmkr). He's raked *me* over the coals a few times (if I recall right)
when I first started out, but those weren't via the NG's (at least I don't
believe. Goober's memory may be more accurate :-)).

I'm one who's all for *civil* discussion on topics related to AW (afterall
that *is* why you're here, right?) as we should feel free to indicate that
we disagree with something *without* the use of foul language (believe it or
not, there *are* communities on the 'net that follow this philosophy), but
to outright flame someone (especially with the use of foul language) doesn't
accomplish anything but make *you* a target.

Arrogance and constant spamming (which Filmkr has been accused of many
times) also makes you a target as was demonstrated in the latest Filmkr
thread in the world builders group RE: World Builders Purpose).

Anyway, my brain is a giant mushroom, but I think you get the point I'm
trying to make here. If not, lemme sum it up this way.

We CAN have our disagreements and *still* remain civil. I've seen it. I've
been a partisan to it. And Goober has no doubt seen it in here (perhaps
more than I have). Look at what we can accomplish by remaining Cool...Calm
& Collected. It's an amazing approach, isn't???

Cheers for now everyone :-)

Patrick Cook (who also has hope for this community)
Mayor - Hamsterville Residential District (better known as Pub 102X)
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado
Come see our new developing AlphaWorld build at 5000N 275E. Feel free to
stop on by and watch me work on the main part of town :-)

Mar 2, 2002, 9:14am

"Until then, you will serve as wonderful entertainment. I always do enjoy
watching idiots make fools of themselves, especially if it requires very
little prodding on my part. :-D" sounds like an echo of BinaryBud

Aren't you clever suspecting that i would be the one to reply to your post,
a simple empirical observation wouldnt you think, being as i have replied to
nearly all other posts, when they have been made in this thread concerning
me.

"Don't like it, don't read it" go and read the post i made, i said close the
thread if you dont like the content of the thread. I think before you
start slating a post of a thread, you should at least read EXACTLY what is
said.

"Guilty conscience, SOS? " not at all, please explain what you beleive i
have to be guilty about ? The reason i felt the urge to resposd was i
can't stand the judgmental likes of you, who deems him self worthy of
casting lack of worth upon others words/product. Which i might add is the
only reason that this thread started in the first place. If "Bud" hadnt
have deemed himself God and decided to have run down my abillity/creation
then he would never have had the need to come here and try n flame me to the
extent he has.

One more thing, you mention that newsgroups are wonderful in that there is
no need for lots of small posting with minor points and that ppl dont need
to rush in their responses. As I have already pointed out, the "minor
postings" point is already incorrect. I would know also like to put it to
you that newsgroups are often also referred to as "discussion" groups.
Discussion involved conversation does it not ? how many conversation have
you had where you say something, the others in your coversation say
something, and thats it ? conversation over ? Not many i doubt. No wait
you are Godly right ? You only have to speak once because your words can
never be wrong ? You simply deem all others words to be worthless, hence
only need for you to speak once. No i didnt think so. Its called
discussion, and during discussion, other people's contributions will spark
another point that you have to contribute to a conversation. Its an
amazing tool discussion, i think you will find that some of the greatest
ideas/inventions/creations in the modern world wouldnt have come about with
discussion.

"And yes, I'm very judgmental. But unfortunately, I also tend to be right
about these sort of things. ;P When you've been around the NGs this
long, you tend to notice a lot of patterns..." - yet another echo of "Bud",
you've been doing it for so long and no one else has huh ? Let me explain
something my friend, i would hardly say my experience of the net is limited,
and i have been about newsgroups for many years. In my experience it's ppl
such as you that only wish to contribute whines about HOW other ppl post
rather response relevant to the posts that degredates the whole ideal.
Part of that ideal being freedom of speech.

on that note, when you're a ng moderator then you have power to speak in the
way you have, until then i suggest you start another thread entitled
"Whines" so that i may exercise the simple and common sense approach of
"Don't like, don't read it". thanks

lots of love and kisses

kris[Sun.Of.Solaris.]

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx




[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 9:23am

Hamster

read my posts please, i have refrained from bad language on the whole, on
the most part you will see that the bad language only appears in the
telegrams that i sent to BinaryBud, and even then you will see it is at a
minimal in comparison to the abuse he sent me.

I agree the cool approach does work. Afterall i think its been proved
here, "Bud" doesnt appear to be posting much. It would seem that with out
any need for me to loose my cool or temper and flame him in return, that he
has exposed himself for what he really is.

I am just tired of reading the posts by ppl that simply want to whine about
other ppls points, rather than make any contribution in returning a response
to the points. It's highly judgemental, and not only that, there are
probably a whole heep of HIGHLY intelligent ppl that want to make a post but
are now to scared to posted for fear of someone whining about it and TRYING
to make them look at fool. If you have something to say that is relevant
to a thread, then say it, dont worry about some judgemental self esteem
ridden fool like "goober king" trying his "i think i own the ng because i
have been here years and think i have power" tactics. I think most ppl
normally get about a 1/3 of the way through that type of post and realise
"ooops whiner, next post".

any way said my piece YET AGAIN

lots of love and kisses

kris[Sun.Of.Solaris.]

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx





[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 7:27pm

I think I'll have to reply to this one in piecemeal...

[View Quote] > "Until then, you will serve as wonderful entertainment. I always do enjoy
> watching idiots make fools of themselves, especially if it requires very
> little prodding on my part. :-D" sounds like an echo of BinaryBud
>
> Aren't you clever suspecting that i would be the one to reply to your post,
> a simple empirical observation wouldnt you think, being as i have replied to
> nearly all other posts, when they have been made in this thread concerning
> me.


If you actually read my original post in this, you were never mentioned
by name. I was commenting on the general trend of some people of
dragging things out longer than necessary, and I felt like filmkr's
thread was a good place to post it. The fact that you replied to it
means that you think you are one of those people. Am I wrong here?


> "Don't like it, don't read it" go and read the post i made, i said close the
> thread if you dont like the content of the thread. I think before you
> start slating a post of a thread, you should at least read EXACTLY what is
> said.


Talk about contradiction! How can I go read the posts you made when you
tell everyone to not read them?! As I said before, the topics of the
thread are not what's at fault. I have no problem reading about spy bots
or port scans or what-have-you. It's each individual post within those
topics that are "good" or "bad". And, as I pointed out before, you can't
know if you will like or dislike a post UNTIL you read it! What part of
this are you not getting?


> "Guilty conscience, SOS? " not at all, please explain what you beleive i
> have to be guilty about ? The reason i felt the urge to resposd was i
> can't stand the judgmental likes of you, who deems him self worthy of
> casting lack of worth upon others words/product. Which i might add is the
> only reason that this thread started in the first place. If "Bud" hadnt
> have deemed himself God and decided to have run down my abillity/creation
> then he would never have had the need to come here and try n flame me to the
> extent he has.


As stated above, guilty of being one who does not take the time to think
out his posts and drags discussions out longer than necessary. As for me
being judgmental, I have a right to be so. Worth is in the eye of the
beholder, and so if I believe you words aren't worth much, they will be
treated as such by me. Everyone else in this newsgroup follows the same
procedure. The reason you don't hear from them is that they deem your
words not even worthy of a reply.


> One more thing, you mention that newsgroups are wonderful in that there is
> no need for lots of small posting with minor points and that ppl dont need
> to rush in their responses. As I have already pointed out, the "minor
> postings" point is already incorrect. I would know also like to put it to
> you that newsgroups are often also referred to as "discussion" groups.
> Discussion involved conversation does it not ? how many conversation have
> you had where you say something, the others in your coversation say
> something, and thats it ? conversation over ? Not many i doubt. No wait
> you are Godly right ? You only have to speak once because your words can
> never be wrong ? You simply deem all others words to be worthless, hence
> only need for you to speak once. No i didnt think so. Its called
> discussion, and during discussion, other people's contributions will spark
> another point that you have to contribute to a conversation. Its an
> amazing tool discussion, i think you will find that some of the greatest
> ideas/inventions/creations in the modern world wouldnt have come about with
> discussion.


Once again, you completely missed my point. It's not the length of the
post or the thread that's the problem, it's quality of the content of
the posts in the thread. If we had a huge thread in here full of well
thought-out, intelligent posts on some AW-related topic, then I would be
ecstatic. But if you have a huge thread where it's mostly two people
going back and forth repeating themselves (as was the case with you and
Bud), then it's no longer a discussion and instead just petty bickering.
And I doubt you want to see an NG full of petty bickering any more than
I do.


> "And yes, I'm very judgmental. But unfortunately, I also tend to be right
> about these sort of things. ;P When you've been around the NGs this
> long, you tend to notice a lot of patterns..." - yet another echo of "Bud",
> you've been doing it for so long and no one else has huh ? Let me explain
> something my friend, i would hardly say my experience of the net is limited,
> and i have been about newsgroups for many years. In my experience it's ppl
> such as you that only wish to contribute whines about HOW other ppl post
> rather response relevant to the posts that degredates the whole ideal.
> Part of that ideal being freedom of speech.


I love how people try to use Freedom of Speech as an excuse to act like
a fool. While "Freedom of Speech" may or may not mean "I can say
whatever I want to" (depends on who you ask), it doesn't mean you
should. Would you start yelling and shouting in a library just because
you could, citing Freedom of Speech? I doubt it. There is an unwritten
protocol in NGs that allows for the best discussions (sometimes referred
to as 'Netiquette'). If you choose to follow that protocol, then you
will get the best and most worth-while discussions. If you don't, then
you will degenerate the discussions into worthless ranting and
bickering. Part of the idea of "think before you speak" is thinking how
other people will react to what you say.


> on that note, when you're a ng moderator then you have power to speak in the
> way you have, until then i suggest you start another thread entitled
> "Whines" so that i may exercise the simple and common sense approach of
> "Don't like, don't read it". thanks
>
> lots of love and kisses

>
> kris[Sun.Of.Solaris.]
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>


As an aside, I love how you always sign off with that "lots of love and
kisses" phrase, and yet you don't seem to be displaying too much love
here in these NGs. More proof that you're not really thinking things
over when you post...


>
>
[View Quote]
--
Goober King
Thinking is such a foreign concept to some...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 2, 2002, 7:54pm

You're right on in your first part. But instead of initiating a post limit,
just ban the suckers who are causing the trouble.

SW Chris

[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 7:55pm

If AWC didn't let flaming go on, they'd be accused of censorship. So either
way these NGs are screwed.

SW Chris

[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 8:00pm

not wat your personal email to me said ;)


[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 8:04pm

But your words Goober King are worthy of a reply. Let's say we skip the
entertainment this time and go right to Tribal Council? Tell me, who here
wants to vote SonofSolaris out of the newsgroup? In other words, who wants
Flagg to ban him?

If he doesn't straighten up soon, like by the next time I read these ngs,
I'm voting for his removal.

SW Chris

[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 8:09pm

:)

this WILL be entertainment

lots of love and kisses

kris[SunOfSolaris]

xxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxx

[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 8:10pm

yuh good plan, like the flaming post initiators
do you really thing i would be bothering with this if "Bud" hadnt have
decided he wanted to try n slur/insult me in public ?

wake up

lots of love and kisses

kris[SunOfSolaris]

xxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxx

[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 8:23pm

[View Quote] E-mail sent to tom at activeworlds.com

Mar 2, 2002, 8:43pm

Bud's been quiet for a while decided to be that way sure has made you
mad for some reason
And thanx for showing everyone what your really like.
Leo :)
Don't bother responding i'm back in quiet mode for a bit hehehehe


[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 9:42pm

lmao, me show every one what i'm really like ? Do you have any idea how
many ppl i have come to my world, despite your attempt to slur it, and tell
me they never knew you were the way you have shown in this thread ?

omg, and how childish to say my exact same words , from about 50 posts ago,
at me

*yawn*

bud, you've been shown to be full of bs and a sore sorry loser, give up

& Bud do you suppose your friend High Flying Flag(citno : 282575 just incase
he decides he wants to use SunOfSolaris as his name for a while again) is
going to scare me to ? lol just like you didnt ? Wonder who its going to
be next that you try to get come try scare tactics with me Bud ? give up,
it doesnt work

lots of love and kisses

kris[SunOfSolaris]

xxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxx


[View Quote]

Mar 2, 2002, 11:46pm

least he takes it to e-mail.

SW Chris

[View Quote]

1  |   Order by index