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Mar 3, 2002, 6:13pm

I wasn't aware until looking it up that "click" was an accepted
alternate. I am a traditionalist though:
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From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:

Clique \Clique\, n. [F., fr. OF. cliquer to click. See Click,
v. i.]
A narrow circle of persons associated by common interests or
for the accomplishment of a common purpose; -- generally used
in a bad sense.

From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (13 Mar 01) [foldoc]:

clique

<mathematics> A maximal totally connected subgraph.
Given a graph with nodes N, a clique C is a subset of N
where every node in C is directly connected to every other
node in C (i.e. C is totally connected), and C contains all
such nodes (C is maximal). In other words, a clique contains
all, and only, those nodes which are directly connected to all
other nodes in the clique.

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I use the term as a pejorative. There is nothing in the definition
though that says you are not a member of a clique unless you set out to
be.

In another group that I read we are having a discussion about the RIGHT
way to maintain a healthy community. About all that we have agreed on
so far is that it is hard work. There are those of us that want to
simply exclude anyone who doesn't "fit" and others of us who want to
include everyone, or pretty close to everyone. To do either requires
constant attention.

The last few hundred posts (or so it seems) remind me of two drunks
getting into an argument at a bar. Neither one REALLY wants to get into
a fight, so they just shout insults and threats at each other. If
either of them have friends present, they general move in to calm the
situation.

Not here in OUR community though! We do nothing but spur them on! The
community of AW has proven itself inferior to the real world so often
and in so many ways. "You don't like the way we do things? Then GO!"

Is there surprise that there might be someone so cowed by the AW
community that they stay isolated in their own world? Look at the
worlds list. There must be dozens from what I see. I feel sorry for
people, possibly so afraid of what goes on in the real world that they
would seek refuge here in AW only to be met with something worse.

We do indeed have cliques within the AW community. We ARE a clique, and
within our clique are cliques within cliques. None of us can credibly
deny this to anyone who comes here from outside.

If you don't SEE the problem, then you ARE the problem.

Look at the mathematical definition. It talks about connectedness.
Doesn't it seem obvious that a new user of AW would have trouble
connecting? All the social organizations in AW are fully staffed with
people who know somebody who knows somebody who knows ENZO.

What happened to the democracy we were promised? More importantly, what
has ANYONE done to shake up those institutions that have a stranglehold
on what we call our community here?

Last night I visited a tiny build I did a few years ago. It was the
closest thing I could find to GZ. I made a little office building.
Later I tore it down as a joke and made a "ruins" out of it. I was so
sick of seeing the ruins surrounding it. So sick of waiting for the
AWHS to clean things up. Now all the junk in the area has AWHS for
IDs! The trash, abandoned builds, vandalism, at some point became
"historical". And yet, when my ID expires this summer I am told all of
my things will be deleted. I wasn't a member of the right clique I guess.

The AW community should stop gloating about how fair minded, forgiving,
understanding and caring they are. The recent posts make a mockery of
those concepts and not one of the participants, even those who advised
"thinking out of the box" attempted to actually do so themselves.

Wake up AW community, your days are numbered.

Mar 3, 2002, 6:16pm

at least you are intelligent enough for contextual implication though :)

there are some here then :)

cheers

Sun

p.s. if that was suppost to be sarcasm at my expense, well only needs to be
said that Bud's english and grammar is MILES from elementary school level ;)
But i wasnt going to mention that, language use being proported to content
value, in my opinion, is a little patethetic and childish.

Mar 3, 2002, 6:18pm

> p.s. if that was suppost to be sarcasm at my expense, well only needs to
be
> said that Bud's english and grammar is MILES from elementary school level
;)
> But i wasnt going to mention that, language use being proported to content
> value, in my opinion, is a little patethetic and childish.

;) Capitalize your I's and use periods! Couldn't help myself. :)
"Pathetic," you mean right?

-Silenced

Mar 3, 2002, 6:37pm

Yes "pathetic" i meant, with a lower case P as a matter of fact.

I am guessing here but "Capitalize" is actually spelt with "Capitalise" in
an English dictionary :) However, if you are claiming that my american
pseudo-english is possibly a litte on the flaky side, well i would incline
to agree with you. I prefer to speak my native language, English, being
that i am English.

What do you mean use "Periods" ? You want me to get some girl's monthly
discharges and do something with them ???? Hmmmmm, let me think. How
about i creatively photograph them and post them to this group ?

Sorry if the poor american pseudo-english offends along with a few
puntuation mistakes, but i must say it is difficult in keeping up with the
amount of bs that is going on with in this group.

One last thing man, if you really do proport language use to content value,
which i dont think you do, but if you do then i have an apology to make
also. I'm sorry for mistaking you for intelligent. I hope you will
accept this apology, if of course, it is required.

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 6:45pm

> Yes "pathetic" i meant, with a lower case P as a matter of fact.

It was capitalized because it was the beginning of a sentence.

> I am guessing here but "Capitalize" is actually spelt with "Capitalise" in
> an English dictionary :) However, if you are claiming that my american
> pseudo-english is possibly a litte on the flaky side, well i would incline
> to agree with you. I prefer to speak my native language, English, being
> that i am English.

American English is not fake, it's very much real. There's almost no
difference in the "actual" language, besides some spelling differences. I'm
not talking about the slang either, like petro being gas and the rest. I is
still "capitalised." Each country that speaks English has it's own
variations on your "nonpseudo-English."

> What do you mean use "Periods" ? You want me to get some girl's monthly
> discharges and do something with them ???? Hmmmmm, let me think. How
> about i creatively photograph them and post them to this group ?

No, that is slang. Periods are a punctuation mark denoting an ending.

> Sorry if the poor american pseudo-english offends along with a few
> puntuation mistakes, but i must say it is difficult in keeping up with the
> amount of bs that is going on with in this group.

I never said that it was violating American English, but periods and
capitlizing your I's is in violation of both.

> One last thing man, if you really do proport language use to content
value,
> which i dont think you do, but if you do then i have an apology to make
> also. I'm sorry for mistaking you for intelligent. I hope you will
> accept this apology, if of course, it is required.

This was never meant as an attack, just pointing out that your grammar isn't
the best either. Please don't blame me for your mistakes, at least I
realize that your grammar wasn't the best when you pointed out that binary
bud's wasn't. Don't attempt to think that my logic was flawed in that
assumption, or that I'm less intelligent than I really am. This was
originally meant as a joke, but seeing as you're taking it out of context,
say whatever you wish.

-Silenced

Mar 3, 2002, 6:50pm

OK - some 120+ posts later, over an interval of 3-4 days, this "citizen" has
gone a little bit too far. His posts are completely off topic,
argumentative, in questionable taste, and subverting what miniscule useful
content still exists in these news groups. Any possibility you can pull this
guys posting right, or introduce him to the NGs charter? It's obvious, on
his own, he has absolutely no self control. Thanks, Mongo

[View Quote] > What do you mean use "Periods" ? You want me to get some girl's monthly
> discharges and do something with them ???? Hmmmmm, let me think. How
> about i creatively photograph them and post them to this group ?

Mar 3, 2002, 6:51pm

I think flagg is sick with the flu :\

-Silenced

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Mar 3, 2002, 7:21pm

[View Quote] "is a little pathetic ", how on earth is that the beggining of a sentance
???

>
in
incline
being
>
> American English is not fake, it's very much real. There's almost no
> difference in the "actual" language, besides some spelling differences.
I'm
> not talking about the slang either, like petro being gas and the rest. I
is
> still "capitalised." Each country that speaks English has it's own
> variations on your "nonpseudo-English."
>

Not saying that Pseudo American English isnt real, and please get the
context perfect on the phrase "pseudo american english" before responding to
this. All i was saying is, that you all claim you speak good "english",
you dont, you speak good "pseudo american english".

monthly
>
> No, that is slang. Periods are a punctuation mark denoting an ending.

Not in the English langauge, perhaps so in American Psuedo English ;)

>
the
>
> I never said that it was violating American English, but periods and
> capitlizing your I's is in violation of both.

sorry if you read it that way, who said any thing about violation ? Its an
apology if the misuse of **ENGLISH** offended.

>
> value,
>
> This was never meant as an attack, just pointing out that your grammar
isn't
> the best either. Please don't blame me for your mistakes, at least I
> realize that your grammar wasn't the best when you pointed out that binary
> bud's wasn't. Don't attempt to think that my logic was flawed in that
> assumption, or that I'm less intelligent than I really am. This was
> originally meant as a joke, but seeing as you're taking it out of context,
> say whatever you wish.

read what i said in my initial response, i claimed it to be pathetic(ok i
spelt it "patathetic" in my original post) to proport language use to
content worth. Which kind of implies, i accept that i may spell
incorrectly now and again, and use poor punctuation, how ever i feel the
content of your words, so long as it is legible, counts so much more.
Which i had pointed out before your post and already accepted the point.

>
> -Silenced
>
>

Cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 7:25pm

would you care to highlight where my posts in this thread match any of your
state criteria ?

a) the topic is me and my bot you fool and supposedly how i am here to hack
you all.
b) the mention of hitler, how is that in questionable taste ? a comparison
made to a number of this group and hitler. Did i mention any atrocity
details ?
c) how does clearing my name of lies and accussation not come under the
category of "useful", may not be to you, but to me it is.

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 7:34pm

>
> "is a little pathetic ", how on earth is that the beggining of a sentance
> ???

Reread my post, when I corrected your spelling, it was the beginning of a
sentence.

> I'm
I
> is
>
> Not saying that Pseudo American English isnt real, and please get the
> context perfect on the phrase "pseudo american english" before responding
to
> this. All i was saying is, that you all claim you speak good "english",
> you dont, you speak good "pseudo american english".

Pseudo means false. My English is fine. My grammar and spelling are
oriented around American English. American English and UK English are two
different entities along the lines of dialect. Don't call my language
false, your language is "pseudo German," if we're going to base it on it's
origins then.

>
> Not in the English langauge, perhaps so in American Psuedo English ;)

I thought you were speaking your native English? Period is slang for a
woman's menstrual cycle. Even in UK English.

>
> sorry if you read it that way, who said any thing about violation ? Its
an
> apology if the misuse of **ENGLISH** offended.

Then you agree all forms of English are equally important in their basis of
grammar? Offend and violation are near synonymous. Your use of English
might offend me, just like binary's offends you. Sorry if mine offends you
so much that you need to call me less inteligent for it.

> isn't
binary
context,
>
> read what i said in my initial response, i claimed it to be pathetic(ok i
> spelt it "patathetic" in my original post) to proport language use to
> content worth. Which kind of implies, i accept that i may spell
> incorrectly now and again, and use poor punctuation, how ever i feel the
> content of your words, so long as it is legible, counts so much more.
> Which i had pointed out before your post and already accepted the point.

Now and again would be putting it lightly. Even so, claiming I'm less
intelligent because I pointed out your spelling and grammar mistakes has no
value, nor should you have included it inside your post. If you didn't want
a critique, then you shouldn't have pointed out that binary's English wasn't
the best either.

-Silenced

Mar 3, 2002, 7:57pm

i think u need to be looking up the use of quotes ;)

no justification for capitalisation with in quotes, unless it is the
beginning of a sentance which you are quoting. You are quoting and
correcting my spelling, therefore no capital, unless its not my words that
you are correcting. If you want the capital, then drop the quotes if it's
my words to which you are referring ;)

Yes and Pseudo is what your english is, its an american version of the
English language, and there for not the TRUE english language. If you
wanted to be real piccy you could correct me and claim you speak Pseudo
English, as strictly speaking Pseudo American English would be invalid.
American English = Pseudo English.

No, period, is not slang.

I agree that all forms of language are important in *communication*, how
ever i feel it a little petty and childish to point out when some one
doesn't strictly adhere to all rules of a specific language, when, the
communication is equally as intelligible as if it had been written
perfectly.

I didnt point out you were not intelligent, i pointed out that i believe you
to be unintelligent, if you really beleive that the value of the content in
a piece of literature is directly proportional to the level of adhering to
language rules. A little expanded there, but just to me precise.

Cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 8:07pm

> i think u need to be looking up the use of quotes ;)
>
> no justification for capitalisation with in quotes, unless it is the
> beginning of a sentance which you are quoting. You are quoting and
> correcting my spelling, therefore no capital, unless its not my words that
> you are correcting. If you want the capital, then drop the quotes if
it's
> my words to which you are referring ;)

What the hell are you rambling about now? When I capitalized inside my
quotes it was the beginning of a new sentence in my post. I was quoting it
because it was from your original documentation, but not meant to cite you.
I used it to point out something, which is a legal use of the quotation
marks.

> Yes and Pseudo is what your english is, its an american version of the
> English language, and there for not the TRUE english language. If you
> wanted to be real piccy you could correct me and claim you speak Pseudo
> English, as strictly speaking Pseudo American English would be invalid.
> American English = Pseudo English.

There is no "true" English. It's a matter of dialect and formation of new
dialects. German was the original English with some Latin mixed in. Thus
your language is a pseudo German. It's picky, not piccy. UK English =
pseudo German.

> No, period, is not slang.

Period is slang. It's accepted but is a deviant of the true definition of a
period.

> I agree that all forms of language are important in *communication*, how
> ever i feel it a little petty and childish to point out when some one
> doesn't strictly adhere to all rules of a specific language, when, the
> communication is equally as intelligible as if it had been written
> perfectly.

If it's petty and childish, why did you do it? Or why are you continuing
with this thread. The way you used it wasn't intelligible, if you had done
it in an English class, either American or in the UK, you would've been
failed. It's acceptable on the internet, not in the real world.

> I didnt point out you were not intelligent, i pointed out that i believe
you
> to be unintelligent, if you really beleive that the value of the content
in
> a piece of literature is directly proportional to the level of adhering to
> language rules. A little expanded there, but just to me precise.

I'm sorry I hold English standards in high regards and you do not. If there
was a book wrote that did not follow the conforms of standard written
English, do you think the publisher would publish it? No, you must follow
all grammatical rules when writing. Although it's accepted on the net to
not do that.

May I ask why you are continiously arguing an unambigious point? If you
don't like what I have to say hit the little - and don't hit the plus and
you'll never have to read it again. If you can't handle my critique of your
writing abilities, why did you point out that binary bud's was poor? If
you're going to dish out, you better be able to handle it being dished back
in.

-Silenced

Mar 3, 2002, 8:27pm

but u were quoting my mistake, if you hadnt used the quotes you would be
correct. And yes a legal use of quotations, so long as you leave the words
you quote inside with in their context, i.e; the middle of a sentance

You TOTAL moron, i am ENGLISH, i live in and was born in ENGLAND, making me
ENGLISH, the language i speak is ENGLISH, TRUE ENGLISH, the fvkkin language
was named after my nation you spastik

Period is american english for full stop. Period is also another term here
used for "on the rag" or the *period* with in each month that a female
bleeds her womb lining out of her cunt.

I do see it as petty and childish as i first said when i returned a response
to some one pointing it out. I also seem it pretty stupid to argue my own
language that i have been speaking for the last 30 years, in comparison to
your own which is a psuedo form of english.

"? If you don't like what I have to say hit the little - and don't hit the
plus and you'll never have to read it again. " - oh that is sad , lowering
your self to the levels of BinaryBud, *trying* to use my own words against
me, go read the posts again ;) I am quite happy to read and respond to
your posts, do you see me whining any place telling you u shouldnt be
posting ? You may see me disagreeing, but not telling you not to post
because i dont want to read it. So really my words that you try to,
'cleverly', use against me, bear little value in this context.

jesus

you people truly are the most sorry sad bunch of retarded morons i have ever
had the sad misfortune of ever encountering.

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 8:41pm

> but u were quoting my mistake, if you hadnt used the quotes you would be
> correct. And yes a legal use of quotations, so long as you leave the
words
> you quote inside with in their context, i.e; the middle of a sentance

No, I was highlighting a word. Not to be confused with citing it, which is
what you're claiming.

> You TOTAL moron, i am ENGLISH, i live in and was born in ENGLAND, making
me
> ENGLISH, the language i speak is ENGLISH, TRUE ENGLISH, the fvkkin
language
> was named after my nation you spastik

No, try again, the "fvkkin" language you speak was named after the Angles,
which was one of the Germanic tribes that settled in future England after
the collapse of the Roman Empire. Anglish - > Inglish - > English. Which
progressed from German (Anglish) -> Old English (Inglish) - > Middle English
(Inglish) - > Present day English (English).

> Period is american english for full stop. Period is also another term
here
> used for "on the rag" or the *period* with in each month that a female
> bleeds her womb lining out of her cunt.

No a period is a set of time, not a full stop, nor have I ever seen or heard
it's use as a full stop. Period is slang for the menstral cycle, as you
just pointed out. Please watch your language. Go read webster and you'll
see what I mean. It'll state period is slang for the female menstral cycle.

> I do see it as petty and childish as i first said when i returned a
response
> to some one pointing it out. I also seem it pretty stupid to argue my
own
> language that i have been speaking for the last 30 years, in comparison to
> your own which is a psuedo form of english.

No you've been speaking a pseudo form of German. You don't seem very good
at following the standard written English rules. Perhaps you should go back
to school until you can learn that and argue a feasible point that way? If
you're going to tell me my English is wrong, at least learn to
type/read/speak/spell yours.

> "? If you don't like what I have to say hit the little - and don't hit
the
> plus and you'll never have to read it again. " - oh that is sad , lowering
> your self to the levels of BinaryBud, *trying* to use my own words against
> me, go read the posts again ;) I am quite happy to read and respond to
> your posts, do you see me whining any place telling you u shouldnt be
> posting ? You may see me disagreeing, but not telling you not to post
> because i dont want to read it. So really my words that you try to,
> 'cleverly', use against me, bear little value in this context.

Well if you're going to say them, why be a hypocrit and not follow them? I
see you whining that my language is a false form of yours. A bear is an
animal. If you're going to claim someone else has a poor grammar then you
better have some pretty good grammar yourself.

> you people truly are the most sorry sad bunch of retarded morons i have
ever
> had the sad misfortune of ever encountering.

Then don't come here and read, just leave like you planed on doing. It's
your own misfortune for staying here, not ours. If we apphaul you so much,
leave the NG and never return. I'm not to heartbroken by it.

-Silenced

Mar 4, 2002, 2:15am

And yet another possibly good discussion goes into the proverbial trash can.
Mac, you are right.

SW Chris

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Mar 4, 2002, 2:17am

You can turn around three times blindfolded and put your finger on one that
fits that criteria.

SW Chris

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Mar 4, 2002, 2:54am

so, put on your blindfold, turn around 3 times, put your finger on one and
point it out to me, then do that a few more times, and show me where my
posts match the criteria.

not being funny towards you sw chris, i read some posts of today, and you
seem to see some sense at least, but a trend i am noticing very rapidly in
this newsgroup is, when a point is made, or a fact pointed out here, instead
of coming back with a sensible answer or the requested information, all that
most are capable of its a supposedly "witty" or sarcastic reply, containing
little or no content at all. I apologise to the few who have come back
with content filled response.

cheers

SUN

Mar 4, 2002, 6:45am

Whatever happened to "Just ignore him", Chris? :P

[View Quote] > You can turn around three times blindfolded and put your finger on one that
> fits that criteria.
>
> SW Chris
>
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--
Goober King
Practice what you preach...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Mar 4, 2002, 3:57pm

I posted this message before I posted that one. *grin*

SW Chris

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