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Oct 19, 2001, 10:57pm

Jumanji Pavilion - AW 16954.7N 8213.7E

[View Quote] > The New World Times http://www.synergycorp.com/nwt/uz/uz0p3.htm reported and
> photographed a very ornate home belonging to Smiling Hacker in their
> December 15, 1995 Under Ground Zero newsletter issue. However, there is no
> teleport noted. There is a clue, however, and that is it is close to the
> old Jumani build. I would like to find and explore Smiling Hacker's house.
> If anyone can provide the coords to Jumani, it would be very helpful.
>
>
>
> smhack.gif
>
> Content-Type:
>
> image/gif
> Content-Encoding:
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> x-uuencode
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Goober King
Not sure *why* he kept that lying around...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Oct 28, 2001, 11:10pm

Oh yeah, SWE... *real* effective! Tell him not to swear at people by
using more swear words in one post than IA has in one thread! What are
you going to do next? Yell at him for bad typing? :P

[View Quote] > Listen u sorry ass dumb shit so of a bitch! u dont wanna fucking see it,u
> dont fucking have to,so fuck of u stupid pathetic sad lonely twat! poor
> little assholes like u been avoided there whole life so come to Activeworlds
> and try to get attention by swearing at people,get a life u pathetic loser!
>
> SWE(327320)
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Goober King
Makes you wonder if people even read their own posts...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 12, 2001, 5:11pm

And here I thought that one of the reasons AWTeen got it's own newsgroup
was so that they wouldn't have to pollute *these* newsgroups with their
inane bickering. We don't care about Teen politics, so just leave us out
of it, ok? If something happens in there that somehow affects the rest
of us, then fine, let us know. Otherwise, stick to people who might
actually give a rat's rear in the AWTeen NGs. Thank you.

[View Quote] > Ok, I havent had a chance to get to these newsgroups as soon as I'd like to
> becuase my outlook express won't open, so I'm on my sister's computer.
> Anyways I want to take the opprotunity to comment on this. My way of going
> about my job was to just be myself, to not be some cheery corporate
> spokesperson, to be someone the public could relate to, and work with. :)
> And I did my job, which was to represent the public of awteen, as well as
> anyone ever has, if not better. Most of you here don't know me, and dont
> know of the work I do and my contributions to awteen. And I have always
> been very strong in my personal opinions, despite my job. :P
>


<snip pointless ranting>



--
Goober King
When will these kids learn?!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 13, 2001, 3:30pm

Brant is not out to impress anyone, and he doesn't need to. The fact
that you people put him through so much crap, and yet he still cares
enough to stick around and make sure the world is still going is
impressive enough. All he was doing was releasing an official statement,
which was necessary to clear up confusion and is necessary for any
organization to explain its actions. It's *you* that decided to start
ranting here in these NGs about it, knowing full well that we could all
care less what you, or anyone else's opinion on the matter is. You
started it, and I'm ending it.

So please, take it back to the AWTeen NGs, and come back when you have
something *useful* to discuss.

[View Quote] > Also, youre proving another point of mine, you guys dont give a damn about
> awteen, you never will, so why is brant so hellbent on impressing you guys?
>
>
>
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Goober King
What part of "we don't care" don't you get?
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 13, 2001, 12:57am

And I'll tell you the same thing I told Xel: KEEP IT IN AWTEEN! AWTeen's
problems are solely up to AWTeen residents and doesn't affect anyone
else. PLEASE leave it in the AWTeen newsgroups! Is it really that hard?

[View Quote] > "AWTeen needs a new caretaker, a new governing body, a new generation.
> AWTeen needs to move on, break out of the past, break out of Brant's
> increasingly tyrannical grip. Many have called Brant a tyrant, but I have
> never thought it true until now. " - XelNaga
>
>
> Well I dont know if anybody else agrees with me but I think the people
> would be best represented if the main CT (brants position) was elected
> instead of appointed. I also think that elections would be really fun :-D.
> It should be set up so every cit in AW gets a single vote. And I know some
> of you are saying "WELL WHAT ABOUT THOSE WITH MORE THAN ONE CIT?!?!". Well
> the truth of the matter is if they invest more into the AW Company dont you
> think they should have a little more say in what goes on? Well it might be
> a good idea or it might be rubbish so post back and ill make changes as you
> guys find errors. So far I really like this idea.
>
> My three cents,
> TheTraveler
>
>
>


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Goober King
Obviously it's going to take more than just asking nicely...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 14, 2001, 4:26am

Since I can't tell who it is you're directing your comments to, I'll
just have to assume it was directed at me, since I seem to be one of the
few people who brought it up in the first place...

This has nothing to do with age or being "shoved out". I never said that
"children", as you call them (yes, I was a teenager once too, and if
there's one thing we disliked more than anything, it was being
considered "children"), could never post here. I simply said they can't
post about things which only pertain to one small sector of the
community (AWTeen). I would give the same response if someone,
regardless of age, posted about some internal Gor squabble or SW City
argument or (heaven forbid) another NewYork/Broadway slap-fight. The
point is, this whole event has been contained within a singular place
(in this case, AWTeen). If this was something else that affected the
*entire* AW community (i.e. What if Facter was fired under the same
conditions as XelNaga?), or if something happened in AWTeen that could
potentially affect the rest of the community (for instance, the
vandalism of AWTeen GZ), *then* it would be suitable for this newsgroup.
However, because this was strictly a PR issue internal to AWTeen, it has
no bearing whatsoever on the rest of the community and should not be in
the community NG.

AWTeen is fortunate in that it has its own newsgroup where people can
discuss AWTeen topics. One of the benefits of this is that things that
only concern AWTeen will be seen by those who want to see it, and other
people who don't want to see it will know what to stay away from. But
when it starts leaking into other unrelated NGs, that's when things get
out of hand. This whole thing would be fine in General Discussion, but
not in community, since it doesn't pertain to the entire community. Read
the Community Newsgroup Charter, it's in there. (Where's Tony M when you
need him? :P)

[View Quote] > When I was young, my sister and I had to eat our Christmas dinner at a fold
> out card table in the kitchen. We were told when we got older, we could sit
> with the adults. We felt left out and couldn't wait until the time when we
> could sit with our mom, dad, grandmother, uncle and aunt-the adults. It
> would be sort of a day of acceptance and growth when that happened.
>
> Before I was grown, my parents divorced and my mother moved us across the
> country. Now, I eat Christmas dinner without my mother, father, sister,
> aunt and uncle and my grandmother is dead. My sister and I never saw the
> day when we were together eating with the adults.
>
> I will not TOLERATE children being pushed out of this community newsgroup
> for the reason that their problems are separate from here, do not matter or
> belong to be aired in a different newsgroup-whatever technical label you've
> put on shoving them out of here or out of your hair. We accept them and
> listen to their problems-after all, we were once them. If you don't agree,
> quite frankly, you need to re-evaluate your definition of what community
> really is.
>
>
>

--
Goober King
Yes, we were them once, but how many remember what that means?
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 18, 2001, 2:41am

You just might be on to something, my friend. Might even finally give me
an excuse to get a world for UTN... *rubs hands and cackles* This should
be interesting :)

[View Quote] > Basicly the world would be more about towns than individual builders.
> That's the basic premise. And they would be very well supported. So if a
> town wants to be an rpg town and needs bot rights and some special obejcts,
> they'd get them. Or if two towns want to build a railway between eachother
> but there are a few other builds in the way, the world, the towns, and the
> indivudual builders could work something out.
>
> heck, maybe make the whole thing a big town building "game". Have prizes
> every couple months for best town gz or most active community or highest
> population in the form of new objects or special rights or what not.
>
>
>


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Goober King
Did someone say "town"?!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 18, 2001, 7:17pm

Just tell me what ya need, chief, and I'll see what I can do! :) Better
continue this in email, though. Wouldn't want to pollute the NGs or
anything :P

[View Quote] > Well tell you guys what, if anyone is interested in helping with AWtowns
> let me know. I could use someone with some basic rwx abilities (ie able to
> change texture callouts and lighting, just basic stuff like that) and
> someone who's had some experiance making registries. Maybe a builder or two
> and SOMEONE with some connection to existing town-based communities
> *coughgoobercoughking*.
>
>
>


--
Goober King
He practices what he preaches... usually.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 18, 2001, 4:00am

It doesn't take a psychology major to see why there's such a vast divide
between the "older" and "younger" clientele of AW. It's simply a matter
of perceptions and maturity. The older crowd sees the younger group as
"idiot kids", running around doing whatever fancies them until their
attention wanders somewhere else (And hey, it's their prerogative to be
that way). Meanwhile, the younger crowd sees the older group as a bunch
of no-life old fogies who are way too anal about AW and need to "lighten
up" (Hell, they may be right on some instances). As long as these
perceptions persist, then this divide will only continue to grow.

Unfortunately, there's only two ways to fix this: 1) The older folks
"dumb down" to the younger level or 2) the younger folks "grow up" to
the older level. Of course, both sides are too set in their ways (and in
some cases aren't even capable of changing even if they wanted to) to
bring about this change.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not real crazy about the younger
clientele, myself, but years of experience with said clientele haven't
exactly made the best of impressions on me. I've been in AW for over 5
years now, and of those five years, I've been running UTN for almost 3.
In that time, I've seen tons of towns, worlds, and orgs come and go in
the blink of an eye. Why? Lack of commitment. Who? On the whole, the
majority of them were the younger citizens (the "12 yr olds", as I call
them). The basic reasoning was that either a) They didn't become popular
fast enough, b) it stopped being "fun" or became "boring" or c) they
just plain forgot about it and moved on to something else (blame it on
short attention span if you must).

There's a large difference between taking an interest in the community
(e.g. AWTeen-ers wanting a new government) and actually committing to
it. Tell me, of the people who are clammoring for a new government, how
many of them are willing to actually be a part of it (besides
participating in votes)? How many of them are willing to take the time
to commit to a job such as the one Core does? I predict not that many
(Note: I said "commit" to the job, not just wanting to sign up for it).

Granted, there have been exceptions to the rule (SW City, KAH's
operation, and ABN come to mind), but unfortunately, they have been in
the minority. Until the younger generation can prove that it's willing
to step up and be an active, *committed* part of the community, the
older crowd will continue to scoff at them, because in the back of their
heads, they automatically assume they will fail. At the same time, the
younger ones see the old ones "wasting" all their time in AW being busy
with who-knows-what and are therefore percieved as "uncool", rarely
realizing that if it wasn't for all the old people running around,
they'd have nothing to do in the first place.

So what's the solution to all this? I don't claim to have the answers,
but I'd like to think a little education goes along way. Perhaps if the
younger ones knew *how* exactly to get involved in the community, then
perhaps we'd see more successful, younger orgs and communities (As an
example, Cosmo saying he wants to model, but doesn't know how. There are
ways to learn, y'know!). Of course, in order to do that, the younger
generation needs to display a willingness to learn, and the older
generation needs to bridge the gap and let the younger ones know that
help is at hand.

It's what I tried to start with the Community Building dept in AWUniv,
but unfortunately, due to lack of participation, it as so far gone
under-utilized. If any of you older folks want to see this divide
shortened, then why not help out? Help teach a course, or even start one
of your own! Let me or kellee know and we'll set you up pronto!

Sorry for the plug, but until anyone else comes up with a better
solution, that's all I can think of. Now the question is, how willing is
the older crowd to step up and break out of the "anal" shell? C'mon,
folks. I know a lot of you guys have plenty of talents to offer, but
have just been "too busy" or "can't be bothered". Frankly, I'm
predicting that I won't get much of a response, regardless of what I
say. Still, if you people are so worried about this "divide", then I
challenge you to prove me wrong.

[View Quote] > I disagree with this statement - the community isn't going downhill; it's
> becoming divided. Everything changes with time. Just because many
of the
> 90s organizations are becoming inactive doesn't mean that there
aren't newer
> community groups sprouting up to replace them.
>
> The reason these groups aren't being heard is because Activeworlds is
> attracting a different clientell nowadays. Whereas AW used to be
mainly for
> the older crowd, many members of the younger generation are now
joining AW.
> Whether you personally feel that that's good or bad is up to you, but the
> average age in AW has dropped and is still falling.
>
> The problem with this trend is that there are many chronologically gifted
> members of the community who look down upon the younger crowd for some
> reason or another. If someone who's 30 or even 20 starts an
organization,
> then it's perceived as legitimate, while a similar group that's led by
> someone age 15 or 16 is shunned. Similarly, the younger crowd for some
> reason or another shuns organizations that are led by middle-aged
citizens,
> and those organizations fall apart due to lack of interest. Thus, both
> groups are set against each other, even if it's not a conscious battle.
> Everyone has expressed this opinion at one time or another. Newbies are
> affected by a similar disdain: people look down upon newbies because
many
> of them, in their inexperience, appear childish and juvenile.
>

> <snip Brant rant>



--
Goober King
He DOUBLE dares you, so nyah! :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 21, 2001, 2:28am

If it has nothing to do with AW, then put it in General Discussion.
That's what it's there for.

[View Quote] > his has nothing to do with aw but i gotta shout it out :D
>
> earlier today i went bowling and bowled my FIRST 300! lol if u dont know,
> its the highest game u can get, 12 striokes in a row... was nervous on last
> ball nearly blew it but still got it! just wanted to say that
>
> btw is there anyone here that bowls too? ive never found anyone else who
> does
>
>
>


--
Goober King
He keeps telling them and telling them...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 22, 2001, 12:44am

Nornny, I love ya like a brother and everything, but I gotta ask you
something: Are you on crack?!

I'm sorry, but the community does not *need* Eep, nor people like him.
Humans are perfectly capable of debating a topic civilized-like, and
there does not need to be someone tossing insults and pointless ranting
around. The newsgroups are supposed to be for information sharing and
discussion, not a form of entertainment. As Ananas suggested, if you
*really* are masochistic, read his other posts in other NGs.

You say he offers a different perspective, but both you and I know
that's a load of beetle dung. Eep has had the same perspective for the
5+ years he's been in AW: "Make AW more game-like! AWC's incompetent!
You're a twit!" (If you want Eep back so bad, just make a bot that runs
those three lines on an endless loop and *poof*, instant Eep. :P) He
never *ever* reneged on anything he ever said, regardless of how false
it was; never had a change of heart (or mind), and consistently stuck
his foot in his oversized mouth. And, if you recall, some of the longest
threads in these NGs were when everyone else was trying to knock some
sense into Eep after he jumped down the throat of some helpless newbie.
And you say you want that all *back*?! Truly, you are mad.

And as for sinew, it sounds like you're both hitting off the same pipe.
First you think we're discriminating against "kids", and now you want
Eep back. I'm guessing next you'll want Chucks Party and JFK2 reinstated
as well. I wouldn't wish such torture on even my worst enemies.

[View Quote] > I dunno, I kinda liked the guy. He's definately disgruntled, there's no
> doubt about that, but he definately brought a different perspective on
> things. I mean, taking a look at posts in the past few weeks, I can't say
> that there's been any good discussions or fights here, except a discussion
> on generations, but even then, everyone just agrees. It's always good in a
> family to have that crazy uncle who curses off the world, who's probably WAY
> too ahead of its time for the rest of the family members, but does provide
> tremendous insight to certain things, even if it is 99% of the time. Every
> newsgroup I've ever been to has one.
>
> Eep is actually fairly tame, to tell you the truth. He offends, but I figure
> we're just as much to blame for giving those stupid comments the light of
> day. I mean, yeah, he's pretty narrow minded, but he sure knows how to drill
> in repetition in a good debate (or flame war when someone gets mad that he
> called them a twit). Anywho, the guy thinks I'm fairly stupid too, don't get
> me wrong, but I can respect what he does and doesn't do. Some people are
> just put into this newsgroup to break the rules. As a family or community, a
> certain respect has got to be made for that for the sake of that in the
> future, maybe the rules will be remade for the better, you know?
>
> However, I must say I'd enjoy no-Eep for the holidays, even I can only take
> so much from his bantering. Maybe next year. :)
>
> Nornny
>
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Goober King
Proof that Goobers ARE as dumb as they look.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 3, 2002, 3:08pm

.... that the new payment plan is only for *NEW* citizenships? You can
still renew you existing citizenship at the same $20/year fee. I just
renewed my citizenship and tacked on another year to it for $20! Now I
don't have to renew again until April 2003! :) And those of you who
don't have to renew until Sept or later will wind up getting almost 2
years out of the deal!

So act fast, before February rolls around and AWC changes everything
completely! No need to panic and head for the hills yet!

--
Goober King
But it may already be too late for some people...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 3, 2002, 8:58pm

Shit! I must have just gotten in under the gun, because their
Citizenship page is all covered with the new pricing plan, and there's
no mention of renewal whatsoever! This is it then, the moment of truth...

[View Quote] [View Quote]
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Goober King
At least he can sit back and watch the show...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 3, 2002, 9:23pm

If I read that correctly, all it means is if you get a new citship and
then cancel it before you have to start paying, then everything you've
built with that citship will get deleted after 30 days. But if you
cancel after you start paying, then you don't have to worry about anything.

At least, I *hope* that's what it means...

[View Quote] > I didn't know what to think about this plan before, but I read the
> "citizenship cancellation" help page now, and look what's written there:
>
> "If you change your mind and would like to renew your citizenship, you may
> do so for up to 30 days after cancellation. After 30 days, your citizen ID
> and any properties built with that ID will be permanently deleted."
>
> I guess that means Roland is going to purge the AlphaWorld database
> periodically, which is bad news for all the historic buildings that people
> have worked so hard on. Better back up AW's history now.
>
> Perhaps I'm just misinterpreting this statement - can anyone clarify this?
>
>
>


--
Goober King
They couldn't possibly be *that* stupid.... could they?!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 5, 2002, 5:30pm

I think that's just for the first month.

[View Quote] > Interesting...
>
> If you go to the active worlds web page to become a citizen and click on the
> "Don't have a credit card?" link, a pop-up window says you can send a check
> for $9.50 (???) to register a citizenship by mail.
>
>
>


--
Goober King
Connoisseur of fine print and fine wine...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 10, 2002, 12:53am

Yeesh! I think you both need to:

a) Read some quantum physics books

b) Move this to general.discussion

And I thought *I* was a geek :P

[View Quote] > LoL calm down with the shouting.
>
>
>
> No telescope is that powerful, not even hubble, nor our radio telescope
> arrays.
>
>
> force
>
>
> So then if I were to hold it there for a long time I could crush your neck.
> Since it's constant.
>
>
> constant
>
> are
>
>
> There's more then black holes at the center, there's proto-suns, and there's
> white holes as well. Proto-suns emit energy at such a high rate it pushes
> mass away. So do white holes.
>
>
> other..
>
>
>
> you
>
> and
>
>
> Gravity? No, that's acceleration.
>
>
> orbit,
>
> to
>
> things
>
> IN
>
>
> I never said the marbles were orbitting originally ;). I just implied they
> were moving in space. Perhaps they're commets and they've flow by numerous
> solar systems. In the middle of their orbit? No they can be anywhere to
> propel them in some direction.. if the mass is greater then that of the
> object, but not too strong, then it'll orbit. There's solar systems with 2
> suns.. how do you think they orbit? Complete circular path? More like a
> figure 8 ;)
>
>
> a
>
> the
>
>
> LoL yes galaxies do rotate. Our solar system is rotating around a galaxy
> that theoretically has a small proto-sun in the middle. I never said what
> the marbles represented though. Galaxies can move in more then spirals..
> the move on all 3 of spaces' axes.
>
>
> the
>
> the
>
> Gravity
>
> tho
>
>
> You said they were moving closer together which implied they were
> collapsing. Magnetic fields have as finite a reach as gravity does, it's
> based on the charge of the object, like gravity is based on mass. An
> internal force can exert external forces.. it's called an explosion :).
> Lifting the chair is possible while you're standing on it, but you can't
> keep it up. That has to do with the Earth's gravity rather then the gravity
> of the two objects. Gravity is both internal and external. I'm exerting
> it, and you're exerting it, yours acts on me, mine acts on you. :) LoL
> does this have anything to do with free objects anymore? :)


--
Goober King
But being a geek would require they knew what they were talking about...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 10, 2002, 12:16pm

Gah! What part of "Move it to general discussion" don't you get?!

[View Quote] >
> Yes, our radio telescope arrays are the most powerful telescopes, they can
> see about a 10,000 light years distance away from earth. If I'm assuming
> you are too. It's all theories from below this point.
>
<snip>


--
Goober King
There's a reason this newsgroup is called "community"...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Apr 17, 2002, 6:18pm

Way to go, IHNK; posting a pointless message to a 4 month old thread. If
that wasn't a pointless post, I don't know what is. ('cept maybe mine :P)

[View Quote] > argh
[View Quote] <snip>

--
Goober King
Has "pointless" down to a science.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 8, 2002, 10:34pm

Methinks both of you need a heavy dose of reality (not the virtual kind). :P

As other people have pointed out about the so-called World Closing
boycott, not logging in to AW won't mean diddly to AWC. In fact, they
are probably expecting this to happen, as people who can't afford to pay
the higher prices let their citships run out. The only thing that a
boycott will affect is the AW community by making it stagnant and
boring. Now ask yourself this: Is it really worth sacrificing the
lifeblood of the AW community in some vain attempt at getting AWC to
reverse its policies (something that has *never* happened in AWC's
history)? I think not.

And as for you, SWE, comparing AW to Microsoft is like comparing a leaky
dinghy to the USS Roosevelt. Microsoft has never even been close to
filing for bankruptcy, and has almost never been in a position where it
*had* to make massive amounts of money quickly. Besides, it's not as if
they jack up prices spontaneously. Generally, once a price is set on
their product, it stays that way (or goes lower). It's not as if they
charged $50 for Windows 95 and then jacked up the price to $200 last
month. :P

And I don't care how old you are, but you really could stand to start
taking some English classes. Hell, Kathrine's English is better than
yours, and its not even her native language!

[View Quote] > Ok, im not no aw lover. but there running a buissness, and so they wont give
> a flyinf f*** about no pention or anything like that lol. i mean,do u goto
> microsoft and complain but the price of there products? i mean like windows
> ME, the onlything it had more then win 98 is windows media player
> pre-installed and lots of bugs. And do u think they accieved being able to
> sell that by listening to pentions? cuz i dont.
> another thing,aint no one in aw gonna boycot aw, believe me :)
>
> SWE
> PS.please dont no one go flaming me. i repeat,aint no AW managment lover or
> ass kisser!
>
[View Quote]
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Goober King
What are they teaching kids these days?!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 9, 2002, 12:12pm

I never said it was *solely* our responsibility to keep the company
above water. I'm sure AWC has some sort of plan (after all, you can't
expect them to put on marketing campaigns and hire ad execs if they
don't have any money, now can you? :P), and I'll continue to support
them until I'm the last man standing. I've invested over five years of
time and effort in this community and I'm not going to see it die just
because a few panic-happy people are killing off their part of the
community.

Look at it this way (using your French world example): Where did the
first French people come from? Whoever got the French portion of the AW
community going obviously wasn't put off by the fact that there were no
other French people. So just because a bunch of French worlds shut down
does not mean that other French people won't come and pay.

What do you think will happen? "Oh no!" Rick exclaims, "Three more
worlds have gone red! Whatever shall we do?!" Get real, Brant. AWC has
already gotten all the money it's going to get out of those worlds
(until next year, at least), so why should they care if they close down?
The only people who would care are the people who frequently visit that
world, and I doubt they'd be very happy if the world owner shut it down
simply because of a futile protest. Who do you think all the kiddies
would blame if you decided to shut down AWTeen in protest, hmm?

Do you expect Valve to create and maintain all the Halflife and Team
Fortress clans? Do you expect the Everquest guys to run all the auctions
for their in-game items? Do you think all the video game companies
should be running IGN? The only responsibility AWC has is to the
product, and to make sure it's the best damn product they can make. It's
not their fault a community decided to spring up around their product.
Don't get me wrong, they should still listen to us, since we use their
product, but it's not as if I think they should be expected to run
ComReg, AWHS, and everything else in the AW community. Simply put, AWC
gets people to come here, the community *keeps* people coming here.
That's how it's always been, and that's how it will always be.

[View Quote] > I'm sorry, Goober, but I'm getting tired of people continuing to rattle on
> about how we need to "keep the community going," and that we "should
> perserve in the face of difficulties," and similar things. Since when is it
> solely our responsibility to keep AW running? If AW wants to raise the
> prices, then they should keep the community going.
>
> It's contridictory to disagree with the price raise, and then state that you
> will stick with AW "until the end." If you don't like AW, then leave - it's
> not your responsibility to maintain the community.
>
> Closing worlds WILL have an impact on AW, even if it's not immediately
> apparent. Unlike online games where the company pays people to design the
> game and you simply play through it, in AW citizens are the ones who create
> the content. Thus, by closing all of the French speaking worlds in the
> universe, perhaps a few French speakers will decide that AW simply isn't
> worth the money because nobody is around speaking French. In this regard, I
> find it ridiculous that AW management will be charging citizens these
> exorbitant fees to create content for their universe. Volunteering with no
> exchange of money is fine, and a minimal fee like the $20.00 a year is still
> acceptable, but is paying $10.00 a month to help out their business? Media
> executives pay people big bucks to do the sort of things that you do every
> day :)
>
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Goober King
Vainly trying to hold back the tide of chaos with his pinky...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 9, 2002, 3:44pm

Last I checked, friends were allowed disagree on things. Maybe it's
different in your neck of the woods, eh? :P

And for the record, I wasn't just complaining about your spelling. :P

[View Quote] > Ya Goob. You tell him! Lol. Weren't you two best friends or something?
>
>
> Well anyway AW. has over 800 worlds which were bought,so why would they care
> bout 3? You people have to realize that this isn't your fancy USA democracy
> crap no more. This is AW! Where protests don't matter :).
> And another thing, you can't expect AW to somehow make this universe work
> without any input from the community. We all have to get up, stop nagging,
> and help the community by telling your friends about AW, or advertising on
> your, and you friend's websites, or even street corner. Maybe even get your
> school to check out AW, and they can use it in computer classes, or for art
> and architecture and other stuff.
>
> SWE
> Nothing but a 15 year old. :)
>
>
> PS. hope u like my spelling Goob. Puncuated and spelt everything properly
> just for you. :) know stop complaining bout my spelling!!!
>
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Goober King
With friends like these...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 9, 2002, 8:57pm

I was complaining about your English, which includes all aspects of the
language, including grammar, punctuation, spelling, and sentence
structure. I guess I need to complain about your reading comprehension
skills too! ;P

[View Quote] > ooh \:| and what else where u complaining bout?
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Goober King
Wow... That was an Eep moment...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 10, 2002, 12:58am

Umm, yea he is...

And if it was a truly Eepesque attack, I'd be attacking Katerine, not
SWE. It's one thing if you don't speak the language, it's another thing
entirely when you are perfectly capable of speaking the language
properly, but you just can't be bothered. :P

[View Quote] > Now that's an eepesque attack, he isn't even a native english speaker...
>
> Fox Mc Cloud
>
> "goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> a écrit dans le message news: 3C3CC960.4030108 at acsu.buffalo.edu...
>
>
>


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Goober King
It's common to mistake 12-yr-old speak as a non-native English speaker...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 10, 2002, 1:41am

He may have been born in Libya, but it sounds to me as if he's been
growing up in an English-speaking environment for most of his life.
Trust me, it takes a "native" English speaker to glom the language
*that* badly (I'm sure you can tell the difference between someone
trying to speak French and a French-speaking person who just doesn't
speak properly).

[View Quote] > Well, what about "lol well anyway its not my native language!i am libyan" that he posted in reply to you a few posts up in this
> thread ? :)
>
> Fox Mc Cloud
>
> "goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> a écrit dans le message news: 3C3D020D.6000908 at acsu.buffalo.edu...
>
>
>


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Goober King
At least the non-native people *try* to make themselves understood...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 15, 2002, 11:39am

Just because they said they didn't know doesn't mean they lied to you.
It could be that they honestly didn't know (and given AWC's past
examples of incompetence, I wouldn't put it past them)! And just because
they never said it was under a world doesn't mean it was never under a
world. Like I said, if they truly didn't know whose it was, how are they
supposed to know if it was under a world or not?

[View Quote] > Don't need to, it already hurt them a small bit for them 2 years.
> Its just funny how its under a world now, but it was not under any world for
> 2 years
>
>
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Goober King
Proof that Goobers ARE as dumb as they look.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 14, 2002, 9:39pm

Haven't we already been over this? All protests and boycotts do is hurt
the community! AWC could care less if you close your worlds or not;
they'll figure it's the AWC-sponsored worlds that draw in visitors, not
yours.

Besides, if this is for all world owners, then why isn't this in the
worldbuilders NG?

[View Quote] > If you want to protest against new AW's politics, please read :
> http://caretakers.alterlinks.com
>
>
>
>
> Thank you for joining us in this protest !
> Best regards,
> Niki
>


--
Goober King
When will they take the hint?!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 15, 2002, 9:44pm

Ugh, you got his drivel too? He must've sent that to every person who's
ever posted in the NGs.

As for what was actually said, he once again has demonstrated his
amazing talent to say a lot about nothing. I think we've long since come
to the conclusion that the so-called problems with 3.2 are on the user's
end, not AWC's, and as for his porn site comparisons, well, let's just
say apparently some things never change. :P

The main problem with his entire argument (if you can call it that) is
that he, along with a lot of other people who have similar arguments,
seem to like lumping AW in with other things (i.e. Sims, Everquest, and
now apparently porn sites *boggle*).

Newsflash, people: AW is not The Sims. AW is not Everquest. AW is like
nothing else out there. Some call it a chat room, some call it a
platform for artistic expression, and some call it an entire
sub-culture. The great thing about AW is that it's all of those things,
and then some. There's no end to the possibilities that can be
accomplished with the AW idea, which makes it a unique beast in today's
3D market.

Now, whether that uniqueness is worth entering a credit card number in
order to try it out remains to be seen. While I do agree that entering a
CC number isn't exactly the most inviting way to great potential
customers, I do understand that it's just about the only way AWC can
guarantee that people don't try and leech off them (i.e. stay a tourist
forever). So rather than piss and moan about how much AWC sucks and
throw a fit saying "I'm leaving and AWC better care about it!!", why not
try to do something constructive and come up with *reasonable* solutions
to these problems. I'd like to think AWC would be more willing to listen
to those than the endless string of complaints...

[View Quote] > I just got this e-mail. Not sure if he wants me to post it or what but
> iether way, it is well thought out. Take a gander:
>
> AWC removed my right to post in this NG, I have sat and read every post tho
> and now I have something
> to say.
>
>
> Tourists: How does AW propose it's going to get new members without them? In
> the past few weeks I
> have asked that question, no one seems to have an answer. I compared it to
> you needing a credit card
> to get into one of those porn sites, most people won't go in and keep
> looking for the free pics no
> matter how good the advertisement looks. 100% of the people I spoke to said
> they wouldn't have
> entered AW before knowing about it if they had to use a credit card.
>
> 3.2: A complete and utter disaster and if this is what AWC is claiming we
> need to pay more for I can
> see now why people are upset. I had nothing but problems with it from the
> get go and it hasn't
> stopped since. Even one of the so called new objects a ctable1 & 2 they
> offered up to us as some
> kind of resolution to all this when I put it near a wall the glass top made
> it so I could see right
> thru my wall all the way down to the color of the backdrop. Masked objects
> and transparent objects
> are a builders nightmare now. I don't think we ever had that problem in 3.1.
> Lighting is splotchy at
> best and makes zbuffering even on overlaped textures now prominent when
> there was no zbuffer before
> when the textures were aligned properly and brightness simply means I want
> to turn every untextured
> object in the area white. Speaking of white any objects that were not
> texture mapped when they were
> made also now have a problem, for example the chess pieces we all loved to
> use in our builds can no
> longer be textured in gold for example because the object simply turns
> white. The glass objects with
> the black border and the doorway objects with the black border, same problem
> turns white.
>
> New Pricing Scheme: Couldn't have named it better actually since one of it's
> deffinitions is a
> secret plan or plot, a plot deffinitely one thikening quite well but is
> going to cost AW alot of
> money in the long run from what I see.
>
> So in conclusion, I don't understand the way AWC does things, seems to be
> one stupid mistake or idea
> after the other with absolutely no planning whatsoever. The Sims another
> major online 3D service
> which is free btw when you buy the software and add-ons in the store atleast
> has a marketable
> product and if they put objects or textures with the same names on them
> people would most likely try
> to return it saying it is worthless when all the files are named the same.
> See you all think that
> because AWC gives you something you haven't paid for it, quite contrary if
> you look at it from The
> Sims perspective, we have paid for it, many years of it for some and paid
> for it when we buy a world
> too. It has been paid for, problem is what we are getting from AWC is pure
> crap now. Not worth the
> packaging it comes in. Paying to get in to see the fine builds we have with
> a credit card is like
> trying to get more porno from one of the many porn sites with a credit card
> now. But who is going to
> give out their credit card for something like this, no one. And if 3.2 is
> any indication of what's
> to come I don't want to pay those programmers saleries because for me 3.2
> has been a complete
> nightmare and still is and no one has offered any solutions to the many
> problems I have stated. So
> for me I will be renewing my world and changing over to this account perhaps
> and as far as my many
> builds in AW, ohwell I guess I build some more to replace them but I will
> not spend $114 dollars a
> year for something that doesn't even work right and increase the salaries of
> programmers that messed
> up a good thing when we had it with 3.1. I can goto the store tomorrow and
> spend $114 on The Sims
> and 1 add-on and then use it free forever. What makes AWC think they have
> something better to offer
> here that you can't get anywhere else for the same money and not have to pay
> again? Well all I can
> say is the people running this circus act are a bunch of clowns to think
> people are so gullible. And
> I am personally insulted that AWC has stooped to such a low. That's all I
> have to say now, and I
> believe everything I have said to be true. Later, Chucks Party :)
>
>
>


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Goober King
Guess we'll never truly be rid of him...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 10, 2002, 5:42pm

In case *you* didn't notice, AWC revised their pricing plan based on
*our* constructive criticism. I'd say that's a good indication that
their willing to listen to our ideas more than our complaints.

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Goober King
Sometimes stating the obvious gets tiring...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 15, 2002, 9:52pm

Umm, what are you talking about? More than half the people who post in
these NGs disagree (even vehemently so) with AWC's policies, and yet
they're still here. Just because a few people got banned doesn't mean
that AWC is out to get anyone who utters a discouraging word and stifle
free speech. The people who have been banned were banned for other
reasons (i.e. turning arguments into personal attacks, unnecessary
flaming, etc)

[View Quote] > Hey all,
>
> This propensity to ban citizens with whom AW disagrees from these Newsgroups
> seems desperate and sad to me. Honestly, much of this discussion feels as
> artificial and contrived as any pro wrestling match.
>
> If the AWC-folk have decided that they must gut AW, then they should just go
> ahead and do it; nothing any of us can say will stop them anyway. I only
> ask that they don't insult our intelligence by trying to make us believe
> that most of us are pleased with this development.
>
> jcolbert


--
Goober King
Must be the new guy...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 24, 2002, 3:50am

He seems to be the only other person (apart from Rick and JP themselves)
who is doing anything with AW stock...

[View Quote] > He is a 10% share holder. See the link below. But why?
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/t/30/5882.html
>
> Kit
>
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Goober King
No wonder it's so cheap!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

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