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Dec 10, 2001, 11:53pm

December 10, 2001

As many of us may have heard, Brant fired XelNaga during an argument earlier
today. AWTeen's GZ has been debating the subject for hours since. Here's a
color coded record of the event. Also, all irrelevant conversation has been
removed. None of the original text has been edited, only some irrelevant
conversation removed. I may later add comments to this.



PARTICIPANTS

XelNaga

Brant

Scruff

Pc Maniak

Blasto



[12/10/01 12:17:55:] XelNaga: we started caring about people
[12/10/01 12:18:10:] XelNaga: and think, of from when core started caring
about people
[12/10/01 12:18:17:] XelNaga: who are the 2 core members still around?
[12/10/01 12:18:27:] XelNaga: and maybe youll realize the subtle
contribution
[12/10/01 12:18:45:] Brant: a while ago you said that it's better to have a
few people at events who actually participate
[12/10/01 12:18:52:] Brant: instead of drawing as many people as possible to
set records
[12/10/01 12:19:10:] Brant: well, it applies to the world as well - it's
better to have people with whom you can relate and have an intelligent
conversation
[12/10/01 12:19:24:] Brant: instead of 100 cursing newbies inhabiting the
world at any given time
[12/10/01 12:19:34:] XelNaga: youre stereotyping
[12/10/01 12:19:45:] Brant: you know what I mean
[12/10/01 12:19:55:] Scruff: The newbies will eventually become decent
people..I was a newbie once...lol
[12/10/01 12:19:57:] XelNaga: see folks this is a prime example of that all
so intresting word: "propaganda"
[12/10/01 12:20:02:] Brant: well, newbies wasn't a good word
[12/10/01 12:20:15:] Pc Maniak: you would never belive how much stereotyping
is built into society, like as someone sed, sex and swearing
[12/10/01 12:20:28:] Brant: yes - the stereotype is that teens have sex and
swear
[12/10/01 12:20:28:] Pc Maniak: i learn social science so i know a lot of
this stuff
[12/10/01 12:20:33:] Brant: well, let's tear down that stereotype
[12/10/01 12:20:33:] Scruff: Anyway, the newbies are never going
anywhere...they'll be here forever
[12/10/01 12:20:40:] XelNaga: no brant
[12/10/01 12:20:41:] Blasto: it's not always stereotyping but merely a way
to describe people
[12/10/01 12:20:48:] Pc Maniak: there are, however "Perfect" stereotypes
[12/10/01 12:20:48:] Brant: well scruff, I didn't mean newbies - I meant
more like troubmakers
[12/10/01 12:20:49:] Pc Maniak: almost
[12/10/01 12:20:58:] Scruff: well its the same with them Brant
[12/10/01 12:21:02:] Pc Maniak: like ppl that have their toungs peiced
[12/10/01 12:21:05:] XelNaga: the stereotype is that ONLY teens have sex and
swear, and that nobody else does
[12/10/01 12:21:12:] Brant: newbies can learn - troublemakers don't
[12/10/01 12:21:13:] Scruff: Whatever you do, there not going anyway
[12/10/01 12:21:19:] Pc Maniak: different round ere
[12/10/01 12:21:25:] XelNaga: i was a troublemaker once
[12/10/01 12:21:35:] Brant: no you weren't
[12/10/01 12:21:45:] Scruff: I bet Brant is really a troublemaker deep down
[12/10/01 12:21:47:] Brant: not like Nate007 and the others
[12/10/01 12:22:01:] XelNaga: we all just go about it in different ways
[12/10/01 12:22:07:] XelNaga: everyone wants to be known
[12/10/01 12:22:09:] Scruff: Brants got a dangerous side :-D
[12/10/01 12:22:17:] Brant: and your way is to allow everyone to curse and
carry on?
[12/10/01 12:22:18:] Brant: lol scruff
[12/10/01 12:22:36:] Brant: hey, nobody said you weren't doing a good job -
there's just some........ room for improvement :)
[12/10/01 12:23:27:] Blasto: Everyone's got room for improvement. You can
always improve and as core members you must all help eachother to improve to
the best of your ability
[12/10/01 12:23:28:] Scruff: Well, if he isn't doing a bad job, why not just
leave it that way?
[12/10/01 12:23:39:] XelNaga: who was it who said
[12/10/01 12:23:43:] Scruff: Why make an argument of it?
[12/10/01 12:23:45:] XelNaga: if it aint broke dont fix it
[12/10/01 12:24:01:] Scruff: Yeah, well said Eric, lol
[12/10/01 12:24:05:] Brant: well, in this case, it is broke
[12/10/01 12:24:16:] Blasto: Who was it who said: "Don't settle for less,
when you can have more"
[12/10/01 12:24:17:] Brant: come on Xel, I ejected sixteen people yesterday
during that meeting
[12/10/01 12:24:27:] XelNaga: and that is somehow my fault?
[12/10/01 12:24:27:] Brant: and you were embarassing AWTeen by bringing up
that rating dispute again
[12/10/01 12:24:36:] XelNaga: that wasnt me brant
[12/10/01 12:24:39:] Brant: no, but then again, the choice of topics wasn't
the best
[12/10/01 12:24:55:] Brant: but you allowed Mike Zimmer to continue
[12/10/01 12:24:57:] Pc Maniak: why is there so much rating and juding on
awteen when you have to be adult to vote?
[12/10/01 12:24:59:] Brant: and you're in charge of the PR committee
[12/10/01 12:24:59:] XelNaga: brant, i had no involvement in that meeting
besides making the announcement on how to sign up
[12/10/01 12:25:05:] XelNaga: it was his meeting
[12/10/01 12:25:13:] Brant: well, you're in charge of the PR committee
[12/10/01 12:25:18:] XelNaga: and im proud of it :)
[12/10/01 12:25:19:] Scruff: Yeah, to my memory Mike hosted the Public
meeting...lol
[12/10/01 12:25:19:] Brant: keep track of everyone under you
[12/10/01 12:25:30:] Pc Maniak: oh, nearly
[12/10/01 12:25:35:] Scruff: Brant, there was a lot of other people to worry
about at that meeting, as you pointed out
[12/10/01 12:25:55:] Scruff: Mike made a mistake by bringing that up, oh my
god, AWTeen has collapsed. *ahem*
[12/10/01 12:26:01:] Brant: I know, but still - Xel's getting off the
point - it wasn't that public meeting
[12/10/01 12:26:04:] Brant: you called people morons in the newsgroups
[12/10/01 12:26:07:] Brant: that was inappropriate
[12/10/01 12:26:11:] XelNaga: first off
[12/10/01 12:26:14:] Brant: no matter in what context
[12/10/01 12:26:15:] XelNaga: i never called him a moron
[12/10/01 12:26:23:] XelNaga: second off, i did apologize to him in private
[12/10/01 12:26:31:] XelNaga: even before all this stuff started happening
in core
[12/10/01 12:26:39:] Brant: you said his behavior was moronic, and that was
wrong
[12/10/01 12:26:53:] XelNaga: oh and saying "STRIP CLUB STRIP CLUB!"
[12/10/01 12:26:59:] XelNaga: "MAKE A FEDTISH HOTEL!"
[12/10/01 12:27:01:] XelNaga: isnt moronic?
[12/10/01 12:27:07:] Brant: you could have said that trekker "violatled
AWTeen guidelines", or something like that, but instead you called him a
moron and I got a lot of telegrams about it
[12/10/01 12:27:18:] Brant: I don't disagree that it is, but you shouldn't
have said it
[12/10/01 12:27:35:] XelNaga: and as i said, the opinions were mine and mine
alone
[12/10/01 12:27:40:] Brant: especially in the AW newsgroups
[12/10/01 12:27:49:] XelNaga: everyone fights in teh aw newsgroups
[12/10/01 12:27:50:] Brant: well, but you did eject him - you were handing
the situation
[12/10/01 12:27:55:] Brant: it doesn't matter what your opinion was
[12/10/01 12:28:00:] XelNaga: i wasnt even the one who ejected him
[12/10/01 12:28:07:] XelNaga: i mean yeah, i told someone to do it
[12/10/01 12:28:24:] XelNaga: so i took responsibility for it
[12/10/01 12:28:43:] Brant: well Xel, you have an answer for everything
[12/10/01 12:28:51:] Brant: but all of this reflects on me and MM, and it
has to stop
[12/10/01 12:29:00:] XelNaga: i dont think it does reflect on mm
[12/10/01 12:29:06:] Brant: yes, it does
[12/10/01 12:29:11:] XelNaga: because apart from you, nobody else seems to
know she runs the place
[12/10/01 12:29:15:] XelNaga: and frankly, she doesnt
[12/10/01 12:29:29:] Brant: yeah, because I'm the one who gets all the
telegrams
[12/10/01 12:29:38:] XelNaga: they think you run it
[12/10/01 12:29:43:] XelNaga: but not mm
[12/10/01 12:30:34:] Blasto: LOL, bad timing, but who is MM?
[12/10/01 12:30:36:] Brant: well, she's ultimately in charge
[12/10/01 12:30:50:] Scruff: lol, Blasto basically just proved Xel's point
[12/10/01 12:30:55:] Blasto: i know, heh
[12/10/01 12:30:58:] XelNaga: MM is MountainMyst, who along with Lucrezia
Borgia own this world (they both work for AWC)
[12/10/01 12:31:10:] Blasto: ooo, okies :)
[12/10/01 12:31:11:] XelNaga: they own it, we run it
[12/10/01 12:31:19:] Brant: and they set general guidelines
[12/10/01 12:31:26:] Blasto: well, I knew Brandt wasn't THE head guy here,
but i didnt know who was
[12/10/01 12:31:45:] Brant: and besides, even if Xel's right and I'm
completely in charge, then it's still not appropriate for you to go calling
people morons and cursing at public meetings
[12/10/01 12:31:56:] XelNaga: that wasnt my point
[12/10/01 12:32:01:] Brant: then what is?
[12/10/01 12:32:13:] XelNaga: that yeah it reflects bad on you, but not mm
[12/10/01 12:32:15:] Pc Maniak: carl
[12/10/01 12:32:17:] Pc Maniak: come look
[12/10/01 12:32:20:] Pc Maniak: its nearly done
[12/10/01 12:32:21:] XelNaga: and theres already plenty of things that
reflect bad on you
[12/10/01 12:32:25:] Brant: it reflects bad on both of us, so there - you
see my reasoning
[12/10/01 12:32:26:] Brant: such as?
[12/10/01 12:32:35:] Scruff: For gods sake...this argument is so stupid
[12/10/01 12:32:50:] Brant: I want to see what Xel thinks has reflected bad
on me
[12/10/01 12:32:51:] XelNaga: such as that, with the exception of a few
pockets a year, your always busy as hell
[12/10/01 12:33:17:] Brant: Xel, not everyone can be online 10 hours a day
like you
[12/10/01 12:33:19:] XelNaga: the fact that now, youre an adult, running a
teen world (rather strictly apparently)
[12/10/01 12:33:22:] XelNaga: i know that
[12/10/01 12:33:29:] XelNaga: but these are complaints i get
[12/10/01 12:33:48:] Brant: and I'm on at differnet times than you, so it
appears that I'm never on to you
[12/10/01 12:33:57:] Scruff: Brant, for a start, in my eyes your making too
much of a big thing about the moronic incident...its just making this
conversation drag on, its as if when Eric defends himself for one thing you
pick at another thing hes done wrong
[12/10/01 12:33:59:] Brant: but you're not usually on at 11am to 1pm vrt
[12/10/01 12:34:22:] XelNaga: you said yourself theres only usually 5 people
in the world at that time
[12/10/01 12:34:37:] Brant: also Xel, I don't trust that people have made
these complaints to you - if they were going to complain, they should do so
to me
[12/10/01 12:34:47:] XelNaga: ok from now on ill log all my comments ok?
[12/10/01 12:34:57:] Scruff: Well Brant, what if he doesn't trust whats
coming from you ;-)
[12/10/01 12:34:57:] XelNaga: they know you already get too many grams
[12/10/01 12:35:04:] XelNaga: and they wont email because they want to make
sure you get it
[12/10/01 12:35:05:] Blasto: I was going to say that
[12/10/01 12:35:21:] Brant: I don't get telegrams most of the time
[12/10/01 12:35:26:] Brant: but nobody sends E-Mails, which I always read
[12/10/01 12:35:30:] XelNaga: i talk to people brant
[12/10/01 12:35:35:] XelNaga: i get involved in coversations
[12/10/01 12:35:36:] Brant: I have too many computers with AW on them, so
telegrams get lost
[12/10/01 12:35:40:] XelNaga: i hear what goes on
[12/10/01 12:35:47:] Brant: so do I - your point?
[12/10/01 12:36:12:] Scruff: Oh yeah right you do Brant
[12/10/01 12:36:19:] Brant: come on Scruff
[12/10/01 12:36:25:] Brant: I was talking with people for hours just on
Saturday night
[12/10/01 12:36:25:] XelNaga: im not saying you dont, just saying, i tend to
know whats going around in the gossip circles
[12/10/01 12:36:39:] Scruff: You speak for like, 2 seconds then disappear
offline
[12/10/01 12:36:58:] Brant: as I said Scruff, I was talking with people for
hours on Saturday night - I didn't see you online at the time
[12/10/01 12:37:05:] Brant: and as I also explained to Xel before,
[12/10/01 12:37:16:] Brant: I do most of the tealking through E-Mails and
through other citizenships and as tourist to avoid telegrams
[12/10/01 12:37:37:] Brant: if I used this citizenship at peak time to do
all the talking, it would be impossible to get anything done becuase I would
appear rude not answering telegrams
[12/10/01 12:37:47:] Brant: 3.3, of course, will change that
[12/10/01 12:38:18:] XelNaga: brant
[12/10/01 12:38:21:] XelNaga: you cant silence people
[12/10/01 12:38:25:] XelNaga: and you lose them trying
[12/10/01 12:38:33:] Brant: I'm not sure what you mean by "silencing people"
[12/10/01 12:38:37:] Blasto: Well, I understand that you get millions of
grams and you can't answer most of them. It would take up all your time and
frankly you have better things to do. Which is why if/when I have a problem
I go to Xel or Pose
[12/10/01 12:38:53:] Brant: exactly blasto
[12/10/01 12:38:59:] XelNaga: thank you blasto :)
[12/10/01 12:39:02:] Brant: and I can talk to pepole on other citizenships
[12/10/01 12:39:14:] Brant: and I have no idea what you mean by "silencing
people" either Xel
[12/10/01 12:39:29:] Scruff: lol at how hes saying Xel and Pos have nothing
better to do
[12/10/01 12:39:41:] XelNaga: actually nic, thats my job lol
[12/10/01 12:39:48:] Scruff: yeah, but its the way he put it
[12/10/01 12:39:49:] Blasto: heh, they have more time, than Brandt. They
don't get nearly as many grams
[12/10/01 12:40:05:] Brant: I already acknowledged that, but I'm not sure
what silencing people means in this context
[12/10/01 12:40:21:] XelNaga: quick survey, how many people find the phrase
"god damn" offensive in general context?
[12/10/01 12:40:31:] XelNaga: *hand is not raised*
[12/10/01 12:40:32:] Scruff: Not me
[12/10/01 12:40:39:] Scruff: or hell
[12/10/01 12:40:40:] Scruff: or moron
[12/10/01 12:40:42:] Scruff: ;-)
[12/10/01 12:40:42:] Brant: Xel, it's not always possible for me to spend a
lot of time talking because I have to deal with people through E-Mails and
telegrams to aw staff members, etc
[12/10/01 12:40:47:] Brant: neither do I
[12/10/01 12:40:51:] Brant: but parents do, and so does MM
[12/10/01 12:40:56:] Brant: and I even said that that word could be removed
[12/10/01 12:40:59:] Blasto: I don't find it offensive but I don't use
things like "God damn" or "jesus christ" cause it can be extremely offensive
to people who are very religious
[12/10/01 12:41:07:] Brant: see Xel?
[12/10/01 12:41:09:] XelNaga: you dont have to use them
[12/10/01 12:41:10:] Scruff: If I said 'god damn' to my parents, they
wouldn't bat an eyelid
[12/10/01 12:41:14:] XelNaga: but religion is a choice
[12/10/01 12:41:20:] XelNaga: if i choose to be hardcore christian
[12/10/01 12:41:27:] XelNaga: then im choosing to be offended
[12/10/01 12:41:30:] Brant: Xel, the word "n!gger" isn't offensive to you
beause you're white
[12/10/01 12:41:33:] Blasto: hehe
[12/10/01 12:41:38:] Brant: but if you said that to someone black, watch out
[12/10/01 12:41:43:] Scruff: Brant, you're bringing race in to this
[12/10/01 12:41:43:] Brant: the asme is true with god damn
[12/10/01 12:41:47:] XelNaga: no brant
[12/10/01 12:41:57:] XelNaga: you cant choose to be black or white
[12/10/01 12:42:01:] XelNaga: you can choose to be christian
[12/10/01 12:42:29:] Brant: I don't care Xel - AWTeen shouldn't be a place
for people to be turned off because they're offended
[12/10/01 12:42:53:] Blasto: well honestly you dont just "choose" your
religion. It just is what you believe in. You can read up on 400 different
religions and whatever one fits what you believe most is it. You can't just
go *click* and your beliefs are changed
[12/10/01 12:43:11:] Scruff: But we all know thats b/s ;-)
[12/10/01 12:43:14:] Brant: I'm starving - I'm going to go eat lunch
[12/10/01 12:43:19:] XelNaga: go eat your lunch
[12/10/01 12:43:30:] XelNaga: and you know what, do it at god's expence
[12/10/01 12:43:35:] XelNaga: have a god damn good time :)
[12/10/01 12:43:58:] Scruff: Yeah, cause, hell! Not eating lunch would just
be moronic ;-)
[12/10/01 12:43:59:] Brant: Xel, you would do best to resign
[12/10/01 12:44:09:] XelNaga: brant, if you really want me gone
[12/10/01 12:44:13:] XelNaga: step right up and fire me
[12/10/01 12:44:18:] XelNaga:and see where it gets you
[12/10/01 12:44:33:] Brant: ok, then great - you're fired
[12/10/01 12:44:40:] Brant: I'll make a newsgroup post immediately
[12/10/01 12:44:51:] XelNaga: ok folks for all of you following along
[12/10/01 12:44:57:] Brant: Xel, that was just rude and that attitude is a
bad thing
[12/10/01 12:45:17:] XelNaga: he needs a vote in the ngs to fire me, unless
he has MM or Luc do it
[12/10/01 12:45:33:] Brant: do you think it will be that hard Xel?
[12/10/01 12:45:41:] Brant: I ASKED luc to keep you around
[12/10/01 12:45:45:] XelNaga: i know you wont get a vote passed
[12/10/01 12:45:52:] XelNaga: and i know luc or mm would do it in a second
[12/10/01 12:46:03:] XelNaga: but im just saying
[12/10/01 12:46:05:] Brant: great, then we'll see
[12/10/01 12:46:07:] XelNaga: if youre gonna fire me, do it right :P
[12/10/01 12:46:19:] Blasto: That won't go over too well with AWTeen's
members... :-/
[12/10/01 12:46:36:] Brant: personally, I don't care - Xel doesn't just go
to their faces and make fun of them and be extremely rude
[12/10/01 12:46:39:] Scruff: No Blasto, it won't, but Brant didn't think
about that
[12/10/01 12:46:54:] XelNaga: another quick poll, how many of you have i
been personally rude to?
[12/10/01 12:46:57:] Brant: of course I thought of that
[12/10/01 12:47:00:] XelNaga: with the exception of brant cause i know his
answer
[12/10/01 12:47:03:] Blasto: Something makes me wonder if he's "been"
thinking about it
[12/10/01 12:47:08:] Brant: I thought of it a lot over the past few days
[12/10/01 12:47:17:] Scruff: I dunno Eric, I've probably been personally
rude to you as a joke, but that doesn't count
[12/10/01 12:47:22:] Brant: and I came to the (wrong) conclusion that Xel
would change his ways
[12/10/01 12:47:31:] XelNaga: if it aint broke dont fix it
[12/10/01 12:47:32:] Brant: well, not as a joke scruff, lol - but he has
been rude
[12/10/01 12:47:38:] XelNaga: and if it aint broke, get the hell outta my
house
[12/10/01 12:47:53:] Scruff: Brant...just go eat lunch.
[12/10/01 12:48:19:] Blasto: Brandt, Xel, go eat lunch or something and calm
down and talk about it in an hour or two when the debate's not as heated
[12/10/01 12:48:21:] Brant: well, I've got to get a few newsgroup posts
made - I'll be back in a half hour
[12/10/01 12:48:37:] Scruff: Blasto, I doubt that'll work
[12/10/01 12:49:12:] Blasto: I didn't say it'd work, but people can make
rash decisions in a heated debate or somethin'. Better they calm down before
they blow eachother's heads off
[12/10/01 12:49:18:] Blasto: or is that too late? LOL
[12/10/01 12:50:17:] XelNaga: ok ill calm down
[12/10/01 12:50:32:] XelNaga: bbut what would you all think if brant went on
a tourist and started listening in on me?
[12/10/01 12:50:38:] XelNaga: how would that make you all feel?
[12/10/01 12:52:21:] XelNaga: oh hes changing ppws
[12/10/01 12:52:44:] XelNaga: its not like im gonna go on a rampage

Dec 11, 2001, 1:52am

Before taking sides on this incident, I urge you to look at
http://awteen.awlife.net/statement.txt. You'll see that the entire decision
was well within Core guidelines and that many considerations invisible to
the casual AWTeen visitor were taken into consideration.

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Dec 11, 2001, 2:22am

um, that document looks like Xel hacked into it & made sneering comments...

[View Quote] >Before taking sides on this incident, I urge you to look at
>http://awteen.awlife.net/statement.txt. You'll see that the entire decision
>was well within Core guidelines and that many considerations invisible to
>the casual AWTeen visitor were taken into consideration.
>

--
Tony M (fldmshl2013 at hotmail.com)
http://tonyhttp.s5.com

Dec 11, 2001, 2:27am

Tomorrow I'm going to move the website from awlife.net to awcommunity.org to
avoid such incidents. I re-uploaded the file to
www.awcommunity.org/awteen/statement.txt. Sorry about that - I'm going to
delete that file immediately.

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Dec 12, 2001, 8:24am

Ok, I havent had a chance to get to these newsgroups as soon as I'd like to
becuase my outlook express won't open, so I'm on my sister's computer.
Anyways I want to take the opprotunity to comment on this. My way of going
about my job was to just be myself, to not be some cheery corporate
spokesperson, to be someone the public could relate to, and work with. :)
And I did my job, which was to represent the public of awteen, as well as
anyone ever has, if not better. Most of you here don't know me, and dont
know of the work I do and my contributions to awteen. And I have always
been very strong in my personal opinions, despite my job. :P

Brant's decision went against everything core stood for. There was no vote,
all of core and the public's opinions were blatantly ignored. Even the
statement he released didnt get the approval of any core members. And in
that statement, frankly he lied. (also let me say that although I wrote the
"modified" statement, I didnt put it up on the site) I guess its my word
against his... but let me do a breakdown of his statement:

<
AWTeen Public Relations chairman XelNaga was released by AWTeen on Monday,
December 10, 2001. While many rumors have been floating about, this
statement is intended to clear up some of the confusion that has been
rampant throughout Activeworlds as to the reasons for the dismissal.

<because most everyone wanted me to stay>

XelNaga has been a controversial figure since he was first voted into
the Core by a narrow margin. With his animated personality, he was
the perfect person for the job at the time. Working with Poseidon,
he helped to establish regular public meetings where citizens could
voice their concerns.

<i had already been doing this job for some time as public representative,
and still did the job just as well now>

Unfortunately, as of late, several controversies have clouded the
world. XelNaga has not given AWTeen a good image to the rest of the
community. <who cares? its our own public that matters.> His use of foul
language and the attitude displayed toward
certain members of the public has prompted a variety of E-Mails
and telegrams from various concerned AW citizens and tourists
asking about XelNaga's position <bull, there was the trekker thing, then
maybe a few people who havent been nice to me that ive returned the favor>.
More recently, XelNaga
acted inappropriately by, instead of attempting to resolve the
situation, calling TrekkerX a moron on the public newsgroups <i apologized
to him later in private for the eject, but still thought he had acted like a
moron>. In addition, talking
negatively about other Core members behind their backs is not a
characteristic of a good
leader <the hell? i didnt talk about anyone behind their backs besides you>.
In order to protect Xel, the
exact nature of these incidents will not be revealed. <because they dont
exist>

Therefore, XelNaga was issued a warning on December 7, even though it did
not effect
his resignation and was met with resistance from several Core members <duh,
they all wanted me to stay>. This warning was in
addition to the numerous warnings that had been issued before, including one
issued
by the now obsolete Leadership committee in June 2001 setting XelNaga on a
"probation
period. <slap on the wrist>" After five days of talking to community
members <who?> and considering the firing of
XelNaga outright <which would go against everything core stands for, not
that you care>, he was instead given a "last chance,"
in a newsgroup post stating that any more infractions would be reason
for dismissal.

A Core vote in July, 2001 instituted a three-strikes rule, which stated
that any member of the Core caught using offensive language more than
three times would be removed from his or her position immediately <this was
proposed by brant, but if you ask any core member from then, they will tell
you the truth, that it was never voted on or passed>. This
vote was based on the principle that such behavior casts a negative image on
Brant and other AWTeen Core members. XelNaga has used such offensive
language many more
times than three throughout his career as public relations representative
<hey im me, and the public loved me for it :)>.

Furthermore, the original Committee charter includes a line stating that
Brant may remove any member who is not obeying guidelines as stated
by Mountain Myst and Lucrezia Borgia <this is not true, while luc and mm can
remove whoever they wish, brant cannot without passing a vote in core>.
While such a decision may not be popular,
not all decisions can be considered in a clear light by visitors to the
world <oh, and you have a clear view on everything? you are transparent as a
window>.
As many visitors to AWTeen must consider their parents' wishes before
logging in <people really ought to think for themselves, and i doubt
everyones parents are as strict as yours, plus most kids go online
unsupervised anyways>,
it is necessary to maintain an environment suitable to parents and teenagers
alike,
and legal considerations must be made by AWC <legal? rofl>.

In this case, XelNaga clearly violated
the three strikes rule and did not follow the guidelines set forth by AWC
<AWC set it now? heh, see above on this one>.
Therefore, Brant was simply enforcing rules that had been set forth
by the Core previously <bull, see above>. XelNaga's removal was completely
within articles of the Committee
system charter as set forth on June 26, 2001 and voted into effect <again
untrue, see above>.

XelNaga was removed after an offensive conversation (which will not be
released by AWTeen).
Therefore, Brant, invoking the three strikes rule and
the original Committee charter, and considering the reluctance
of several Core members to anger a friend as well as the many instances
in the past where XelNaga had been warned, removed him from his post,
effective immediately <do i need to say it again? this was never voted in>.
The action did not state whether or not XelNaga may remain on
committees or help out with the capital city <duh, you dont wanna be run
down by a mob>.

Mountain Myst, Lucrezia Borgia, Flagg, and at least three Core members
<who?> fully support the
decision that was arrived at today. While it was a difficult decision
to fire Xel from his position <suuuure>, and Xel has been a huge help in the
past <awteen wouldnt have made it this far without me>, the decision was
made
in the hopes of improving AWTeen in the future <thats all i ever did,
improve awteen, and thats all i ever will do>.
>

Well, I would state my opinions on brant's tyranny of sorts.. but I've
included it in an article (near the end) which i think anyone intrested in
awteen should read. It's got a true history of this year in core, plus my
thoughts on Brant and his plans. In fact, read it, its part of this post,
and don't respond unless you have.
http://awteen.disaxiom.net/stateofawteen2.htm :) But to summarize, brant,
immediately before my firing, placed into effect some previously undiscussed
and unvoted on edicts, which can be found at
http://awcommunity.org/awteen/corevotes.htm which totally go against
everything the current core, which he created, stands for. Pretty soon,
brant will have the core filled with those who agree with him on everything,
and look pretty in front of the general aw community. Anyways, thats all I
have to say, assuming youve read that article.

-Xel


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Dec 12, 2001, 8:28am

And read how I feel about all this in my previous post and see the true
history in core this year at http://awteen.disaxiom.net/stateofawteen2.htm.
Brant lied on some things, and seems to have plans that will ruin awteen,
read the article, I was there.

-Xel


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Dec 12, 2001, 4:07pm

god, and I that thought AWTeen wasn't just a bunch of powersick kids...
that's enough said I think

KAH

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Dec 12, 2001, 4:52pm

I think KAH sums up Xel's attitude in that one statement. Enough said.

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Dec 12, 2001, 5:11pm

And here I thought that one of the reasons AWTeen got it's own newsgroup
was so that they wouldn't have to pollute *these* newsgroups with their
inane bickering. We don't care about Teen politics, so just leave us out
of it, ok? If something happens in there that somehow affects the rest
of us, then fine, let us know. Otherwise, stick to people who might
actually give a rat's rear in the AWTeen NGs. Thank you.

[View Quote] > Ok, I havent had a chance to get to these newsgroups as soon as I'd like to
> becuase my outlook express won't open, so I'm on my sister's computer.
> Anyways I want to take the opprotunity to comment on this. My way of going
> about my job was to just be myself, to not be some cheery corporate
> spokesperson, to be someone the public could relate to, and work with. :)
> And I did my job, which was to represent the public of awteen, as well as
> anyone ever has, if not better. Most of you here don't know me, and dont
> know of the work I do and my contributions to awteen. And I have always
> been very strong in my personal opinions, despite my job. :P
>


<snip pointless ranting>



--
Goober King
When will these kids learn?!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 12, 2001, 5:57pm

Urg... if anybody believes Brant wants to ruin AWTeen, they're nuts. Who
would want to do that and why? There is no motive.

SW Chris
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Dec 12, 2001, 6:13pm

Well, Shorah and Chickengurl are trying their darned hardest, lol - never
stopped them :)

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Dec 12, 2001, 6:45pm

Nicely put

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Dec 12, 2001, 8:21pm

AW Teen got their own newsgroup??????????????
interesting
*wonders why some things are possible some of the time and for certain ppl*

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Dec 12, 2001, 8:36pm

It's located at news://news.andras.net/AW.AWTeen - go take a look :)

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Dec 12, 2001, 10:14pm

I think what brant did was good. Its kinda like high school president, it
dont really matter what he or she wants to do, just how popular they are.
Not if there good or bad... I wish people would be a bit more serice about
stuff

--


- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
TrekkerX
Commatron & Athnex
http://www.commatron.com
http://www.athnex.com
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Dec 13, 2001, 1:07am

Look how far they've gotten...

And really, why did you bring that up? :)

SW Chris

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Dec 13, 2001, 1:10am

Since AWNews.com is down *looks at Cybor* as it usually is when there's
breaking news, I'll be posting the newest Talking Points in the
General.Discussion group soon. XelNaga has been fired and half of AWTeen is
up in arms over the decision! What's up with that? Stay tuned.

--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html


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Dec 13, 2001, 4:58am

Hey, I didnt start it.


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Dec 13, 2001, 4:59am

I never said Brant wants to ruin awteen, hes got no intention to do that.
I'm just saying that if there is nobody to keep him in check, he will.



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Dec 13, 2001, 5:01am

Everyone is powersick everywhere, thats not the point. I don't want my job
back, I just don't wanna see awteen go spirling down.


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Dec 13, 2001, 5:05am

Also, youre proving another point of mine, you guys dont give a damn about
awteen, you never will, so why is brant so hellbent on impressing you guys?



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Dec 13, 2001, 3:03pm

..... like you?

SW Chris

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Dec 13, 2001, 3:30pm

Brant is not out to impress anyone, and he doesn't need to. The fact
that you people put him through so much crap, and yet he still cares
enough to stick around and make sure the world is still going is
impressive enough. All he was doing was releasing an official statement,
which was necessary to clear up confusion and is necessary for any
organization to explain its actions. It's *you* that decided to start
ranting here in these NGs about it, knowing full well that we could all
care less what you, or anyone else's opinion on the matter is. You
started it, and I'm ending it.

So please, take it back to the AWTeen NGs, and come back when you have
something *useful* to discuss.

[View Quote] > Also, youre proving another point of mine, you guys dont give a damn about
> awteen, you never will, so why is brant so hellbent on impressing you guys?
>
>
>
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--
Goober King
What part of "we don't care" don't you get?
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 13, 2001, 5:45pm

AWTeen has been goin down for a good 5 or 6 months now... the old AWTeen was
better...

--
TrekkerX
Commatron & Athnex
http://www.commatron.com
http://www.athnex.com
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Dec 13, 2001, 9:46pm

All i'll say is that my point was that parts of the statement released was
false, and that i was merely stating my opinion, whether you wish to listen
to it or not is up to you.



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Dec 14, 2001, 5:36am

The newest issue of Talking Points has been posted on AWnews.com. The site
reopened just in time. :) Besides, I didn't think Goober King would
appreciate me posting it here. :)

SW Chris

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Dec 14, 2001, 5:40am

His statement was entirely true if the parts you're referring to is the
Three Strikes rule. Talking Points has verified this. Go and comment
there.

SW Chris

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Dec 14, 2001, 8:02am

Did it verify? I thought you just said one of your sources told you it was
true. Ask me, poseidon, arcanis, nornny, anyone from back then.. it was
never voted in or passed.


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Dec 15, 2001, 12:57am

Ok, I'd just like to mention, that the "color coded record" of the log that
Traveler posted came off my site. And if you're interested in any other
news, please feel free to check it all out. My site is
http://novakovich.d2g.com/awnews/
Of course, not to say the log is mine, I got the full thing off another site
(can't remember the name), color coded it, and removed some irrelevant chat.
I just want to take credit for my color coding to make it easier to read.
^_^ Plus, I've got more news related to the XelNaga firing on my site,
check it out. It's basically all you heard in here, but feel free to spread
the word, not everyone uses the newsgroups.

--James Kirk


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Dec 16, 2001, 4:02am

Well if the source would let me reveal its name, it'd be beyond doubt,
simply because of their identity. Here's a riddle... whoever XelNaga
didn't mention that was on Core back in July is the source. Think about
that.

SW Chris

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