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Mar 9, 2001, 8:29pm

[View Quote] ah, just like windows 95? I'll believe it when I see it :-)

> No more 9x versions.

That's what Microsoft wants. MS wants you to pay $much every thime they
release a new version. Ultimately they don't even want you to buy it
anymore, they'll rent it to you and you'll pay a monthly fee.

There will be many people who don't want to pay that much for yet another
upgrade, and will stick with older versions.

> There
> will be a "Personal" version for former 9x users with no support for
> dual processors etc but it's still the same OS as "Professional" and
> "Server" etc.

I doubt it will be the same. For example, why not include multi cpu support
in the standard version? It's not as if it makes it slower or something when
running on only one cpu. The standard version will lack a bunch of things
the pro version has, and the pro version will cost much more.

> There are new functions to trick applications that they are running in
> older versions. I have played games for 9x in XP beta (Whistler) with no
> problems after configuring them to believe they are running in W95.
> Since XP is meant for everybody from newbie to master the interface of
> course has a lot of fluff for the advanced user. The first thing a
> normal user will do after installation is turning off a lot of stuff.
> Not uncommon even today

yup... one of the first things I do is turn off all the stupid animations.

rolu

Mar 11, 2001, 12:25pm

[View Quote] Agreed.

(for the ones wondering: AW is not subscription software. You pay for the
right to be a citizen and use AW's servers as such.)

rolu

Feb 23, 2001, 10:12am

[View Quote] Only the stupid ones

the ones that think people using a certain language won't talk to people
using another language

usually the Microsoft ones.

If you reply to an English group, use Re:, not some foreign stuff.

rolu

Feb 23, 2001, 5:21pm

[View Quote] hm, that's even worse (but that wouldn't be different if it used "Reply:").

By the way - it isn't my OLX, it's made by Microsoft.

> IMO this is missing in the protocols, it should have a flag that makes
> the email/news reader show (not add!) the country-specific version of
> this abbreviation.

Why not use Re: everywhere?

> As the protocol is quite old and will not be changed,
> it would be good if the developers of these clients would come to a
> common abbreviation, strip it from the subject line and replace it by
> the language dependant version for display / replace the language
> version by this common one on sending.
>
> But I'm afraid this will not happen in the next 100 years.

quite so.

> Everyone here accepts english as the language that all can understand, I
> think it isn't necessary to constantly complain about concept problems
> in a multilingual world, especially as they are not caused by the people
> who post.

We all use English as a common language, so let's use it everywhere and not
add foreign pieces here and there.

And whether or not it is directly caused by the people who post doesn't
matter - in the end they are responsible for it.

rolu

Feb 23, 2001, 6:09pm

[View Quote] yes, there you have a problem. That's why I like customization - being able
to tell your news reader to use Re: when around here, and SV or something in
foreign groups. And for the mail reader - to be able to set a standard, and
then being able to override this standard for specific people if needed. For
this you won't need a universal agreement with everybody who makes news and
mail clients, you just have to have one program and use that.

Think of what will happen when the German company wants to do business with
some people in America.

> I had one customer (small company) who sure will make you laugh, but
> also see the problem :
> The boss looked at the program source (!) and complained about all the
> english words, not only the inline comments but the source code as well.
> Off course he accepted my explanation but he checked all dialogs and
> other texts that the program produced. There was one abbreviation that I
> used that was not german (incl. instead of inkl.) and I had to fix that
> although his own personal profile contained the english form of this
> abbreviation.

That's the problem. Some people like to see things in their own language,
and don't accept foreign stuff. I don't mind seeing foreign stuff - but I
like to see a certain standard in places. A standard like "this is a German
language server, so use the German language" "this is an English language
server, so use the English language". Imagine what happens when someone from
Japan or Russia uses local settings for things like this. It would become
totally unreadable. I don't like it when software doesn't give you the
choice.

rolu

Feb 23, 2001, 10:15am

[View Quote] I bet XP will suck too. It will look fancy and great and all, but under the
hood, it will suck. Just like every other MS OS.

rolu

Feb 23, 2001, 10:20am

[View Quote] eh, sure...

you like getting attention, don't you?

Now get lost.

oh, and if that buddy of yours is as stupid as you are, I think you both
will be hounded.

rolu

Feb 23, 2001, 12:31pm

[View Quote] Actually, from that page I get the idea those are the people Lanezeri wants
to thank. That doesn't necessarily mean those are L's friends.

> Either filter
> Lanezeri or get an attitude adjustment, SW Comit. Hopefully you were
> just kidding in this post also, SW Comit. I find this unacceptable for
> the mayor of SW City and President of the Community Linkage Commission.

And what does *that* have to do with it?

anyway, people who come here to whine about leaving AW deserve it. Either
leave or stay, but don't bother us with it. Lanezeri practically asked for
such a reaction.

rolu

Feb 23, 2001, 8:10pm

[View Quote] that's me

> did I ever whine?

yes you did

> Nope.. I came to tell you.. cuz I wanted to see the happy comments..

somebody posting something stupid just to get a discussion, eh?

Troll

rolu

Feb 23, 2001, 11:16am

[View Quote] big deal

now what?

rolu

Feb 23, 2001, 5:25pm

[View Quote] http://biz.yahoo.com/t/in/a/awld.html shows Gardner has about 500k, while
Rick and JP have 2.5M. That's about 1/5th of either one of them, or 1/10th
of the amount Rick and JP have together. Or did I overlook something?

rolu

Feb 25, 2001, 5:00pm

[View Quote] the "just like yourself" part goes with "using", not with "another person",
and (assuming you are not talking about a bot) since both of you are using
aw this is can be seen as correct. Of course you *can* argue that the other
person probably isn't using it exactly the way you do.

rolu

Feb 27, 2001, 8:46pm

[View Quote] You are talking about http://www.activeworlds.com/conduct.html, I think? If
you have something to complain about, please at least get your facts
straight.

Let's see.

"Please do not insult other tourists or citizens by use of inflammatory or
offensive statements or images. We ask that you refrain from expressions of
bigotry, racism, hatred, or profanity. Please do not harass other users,
including verbal abuse or personal attacks."

Now look at the "Please do not harass..." line. It's quite possible to see
cloning someone's name as harassing.

"AWCOM or its associates reserve the right to enforce compliance with these
guidelines, which may include temporary ejection from the world."

So, if you don't do what they say in the guidelines, they may eject you.

Combined: if you harass someone (for example by cloning their name) someone
from, or associated with AWCOM may eject you. And so they did. You seem to
have been wrong, now go cry somewhere else and grow up.

Oh, and something else:

**WE DON'T CARE!!!!** Next time you have a problem with someone, just solve
it with that person. Dont't get it into the ng's like this. This is just
utterly lame. We have had a lot of false flames already, just because twits
like you ran into trouble with someone else, and then tried to get back on
them by making them look bad here. You did not post an (unedited!) chat log,
you did not post the specifics about how this happened, you did not post
whether you already tried to mail or telegram sea swallow, you posted
nothing but "I think cloning someone's name is no reason to eject someone,
and I want an apology from sea swallow". How the heck do you think we are
supposed to see who is right and who is wrong?

You know what you can do with that apology?

Stick it up your ass, so far that it ends up in the vacuum where normal
people have a brain. It might even give you a clue next time something
forces you to think.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Yours annoyedly,

Rolu.

Feb 27, 2001, 9:07pm

[View Quote] Shut up yourself.

And no, I'm not a moron.

> that is not harrassing them..

It is, see below.

> harrassing someone is telling
> them they are dumb..

Harassing is annoying or scaring someone in a rather serious way, among
others. Stealing names *is* harassing. And judging from your overall
behavior in these newsgroups, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the only
thing you did.

> or saying you are a moron.. that is harrassment..

No, that's name calling. If you keep doing it again and again on every
occasion you have, it would become harassing.

> and
> it is true

Nope, not true.

What's the matter with you anyway? You really can't handle the truth, can
you?

I asked for some proof or evidence in my reply. But you don't give it,
instead you resort to some weak form of name calling. So, you don't really
seem to have anything to reply... could it be that you know you are guilty
for your ejection too?

> so not considered harrassment

False again... not surprisingly, since you haven't made a single intelligent
remark in these newsgroups the last week or so (try it anyway, it might work
if you are lucky).

But anyway, you can harass someone with the truth, as you will see if you
consider it for a brief moment.

rolu

Feb 28, 2001, 8:42am

[View Quote] Go find a server connected to Usenet. Tens of thousands of newsgroups,
several millions of users. Everything you want. Most ISP's provide such a
server, if yours doesn't go find a free one.

rolu

Mar 1, 2001, 11:13am

[View Quote] No, you don't get it! It was COF! They changed it on the server!

rolu

Mar 1, 2001, 5:35pm

[View Quote] that long?

assuming 1100 worlds going for a year, that's 3 a day. I don't think there
are 1100 worlds, but on the other hand some of them will renew more often
than once a year. So, on average you'll have 9 or so renewals to do on
monday. If everybody deceides to renew in the weekend, it might even be 15
or so. You surely can process 15 or so world renewals in one day, can't you?

(correct my assumptions if they are wrong)

rolu

Mar 2, 2001, 9:15am

[View Quote] Hey, I know you have a lot of things to do. However, since every job coming
in needs to be done eventually, you will have to process them faster than
they come in, or they will pile up. If you work slower (or not) at some
times (weekend), you'll get a temporary pile. And if the temporary pile of
the weekend requires up to 48 hours to be done, you are in serious need of
more people.

The standard for customer support is to reply within about 24 hours (except
for in the weekend of course). The standard for buying something is to reply
instantaneously, since this can be largely automated.

The processing of standard things - buying games online, buying worlds
online, whatever you want - only takes long in understaffed underautomated
companies. This does NOT mean the current staff is incompetent. If someone
buys a world it should be up and running within a minute, 24h a day, 7 days
a week, if hosted on one of your servers. Or if the customer wants to host
it himself, he should have the password data mailed immediately, and be able
to make it run within 5 mins or so anyway. Simply because the complete
process can be automated. And if it's automated, you don't have to do it
anymore, freeing more time for tasks that do need human interaction - such
as tech support.

rolu

Mar 2, 2001, 1:21pm

[View Quote] If you have to manually check cc transactions, if someone buys a world just
skip that part and let one of your servers automatically set up the world
and everything else needed, assuming for the moment that it's ok, and let it
put the cc check somewhere in your que. Later on, when you have time, check
the cc transaction. If it's ok, everything is ok and you can go on. If it's
not ok, you can either mail the owner about it, or close down the world
(which should require no more than 1 or 2 commands either). The good part is
that someone who buys a world can start working on it immediately, which
looks good (buy a world now, start building in 5 minutes! 24h/day,
7days/week!). The worst thing which could happen to you is that you give
someone a free world for one or two days.

rolu

Mar 2, 2001, 4:56pm

[View Quote] oky, now automate everything else :-)

Have you ever been on Seagate's website? They have a kind of online trouble
shooter, and encourage you to use it before you actually mail tech support.
As a reward, if you follow this trouble shooter and still can't get your
problem solved, it gets a priority status. It asks you a question, and you
can answer it by clicking buttons. It seems to filter out quite a few easy
to solve problems. It's more intuitive and easier to use than a faq.

rolu

Mar 2, 2001, 9:30am

[View Quote] There is. It's even in AW, and it's called AWGate. Or AW GZ.

rolu

Mar 2, 2001, 9:31pm

[View Quote] We have whisper for that now. But it works for one to one chat only. So we
need multi person whisper and then can remove the chat limit.

rolu

Mar 2, 2001, 10:31pm

[View Quote] Multiple beacons, if possible. In multiple worlds. Kinda like a phone bot.
Drop one at every world and place you want to talk or keep an eye on. And be
able to set the range of the beacon.

rolu

Mar 3, 2001, 6:19pm

[View Quote] ah... and you don't let them in in person either, I assume?

> And I will be the first to start a group against it if it's made possible
to
> do so without the world owners permission.
> As for dropping beacons to listen in other worlds, well I don't know that
I
> would want to visit the other worlds knowing that some one in another
world
> could hear my conversations, perhaps without my knowing. This is called
> spying. I am against this idea totally.

It's only spying if you use a dumb implementation. The beacon would be
clearly visible for everyone around, with a special av. It will show up in
the whisper list. The only real difference: the person isn't actually there.
It's not like a microphone hidden in a bush somewhere.

If you whisper something, the beacon will not hear it (unless you whisper to
the beacon). You can kick beacons if you can kick people. The beacon will
have the name of it's owner on it. So, what's the difference with the owner
of the beacon actually being at the place of the beacon? Nothing.

> If james w wants to chat while he builds, he can call his friends in to
chat
> with him.

And what if those friends want to build somewhere else at the same time?

> There is no need to listen in on other peoples conversations.

Oh, there is. You need to listen to be able to participate. The beacons
aren't one way - you can send chat back to it.

> As for wisper, it's fine for short comments in private, but it is a real
> pain when trying to carry on an entire conversation.

Could be solved by making a better implementation of whisper.

rolu

Mar 4, 2001, 3:04pm

[View Quote] And that's where the beacon comes in. It is a representation of someone, so
he doesn't have to be there in person.

in
> there.
>
> I don't really think going to the trouble to make a beacon is necessary
> anyway because there are bots that can already do that.

You can have only a few bot instances - what if you want to use them for
something else already? Also, you'd have to run an external program, as
opposed to the beacons, which are used inside the AW browser.

> A friend of mine
> sometimes sends his bot to my world to talk to me while he works
elsewhere.
> I don't mind that, if I know the bot was sent. What I do mind, is when
some
> one I don't know sends a bot to listen in on what's going on in my world.

The beacon is not meant as a listening device but as a way to participate in
a discussion. Being able to listen is a part of that, but certainly not the
only thing.

> You are right they can be ejected if I know they are there. They will show
> on my wisper list, but I dont' always scan my list to see who is on it, so
I
> will miss a bot comeing in at times.

To drop a beacon, you'd have to come in in person anyway. And if you don't
check who is around, you can easily miss someone who is in your world in
person as well as a beacon. Both can hear what you say. If you don't check
who is around, it's your problem.

> That is when my conversations are being
> spied on.

Yeah, so? What you mentioned can be done as well without the beacon, so I
don't really see a problem there. If you don't want to be heard, go to a
place where nobody is - neither people nor beacons - or use whisper.

> Useing a bot should be enough since every cit num can run up to 3
> bots at a time.

Bots are annoying for that. I want all the chat in one place - in the AW
browser, where it belongs. On IRC you can enter as many channels as you
want, this should be possible in AW too.

> I don't see why or how anyone would handle more
> conversations then that.

oh, that's easy. Yourself at awbingo, one beacon at AW GZ, one beacon at
tech talk, one beacon at AWGate, one beacon in a friends world, etc etc etc.

> So, I don't see a need for a beacon.

Hope you do now.

rolu

Mar 4, 2001, 8:05pm

[View Quote] Still would have to switch between AWbrowser and the bot.

> If they do put a beacon option on the aw browser, I hope they also put a
> world owner option that would disallow the use of it in the world without
> permission.

hmm... prolly.

rolu

Mar 4, 2001, 7:53pm

[View Quote] so what?

rolu

Mar 4, 2001, 7:55pm

[View Quote] And couldn't you just snip those 30kb of question marks??

rolu

Mar 4, 2001, 7:57pm

[View Quote] Go find someone with a frying pan. Ask him to hit you with it. Hard.

*why* on *earth* did you had to put in 30kb of question marks?

rolu

Mar 5, 2001, 3:06pm

[View Quote] Next time, SNIP those question marks. You are even worse than IA if you
don't snip his rubbish. You had 3 new lines in your post (about 200 bytes),
yet it was 42 kilobytes (about 43000 bytes), of which almost everything was
junk. That gives your post a 200 to 1 junk ratio.

rolu

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