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Jul 22, 1999, 2:45am

[View Quote] [View Quote] Because 8 bits = 1 byte
1 kilobyte does not equal 1 kilobit
1 kilobyte = 1,024 bytes x 8 bits = 8,192 bits
1 kilobit = 1,024 bits / 8 bits = 128 bytes

I think that's right. Anyway, this is more confusing to me, especially when trying to figure out how fast modems (measured in bits per second) and other network transmission speeds are in relation to how much kilobytes per second they send. I think in kilobytes, not bits or bytes. Most file sizes are represented by kilobytes.

Jul 24, 1999, 7:47pm

Added to http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/improve.html :)

[View Quote] > Being able to scale an object's width, length and heigth inside AW.
> Should include negative values to mirror the object. Should also
> multiply the uv-values. Perhaps add a maximum value so we don't get
> really, really huge objects.

Jul 25, 1999, 5:00pm

Last time I checked, Blaxxun, Cosmo, and Sony's Community Place, they were using RW, which can render through Direct3D. Of course it's been a year or 2 since I've tried these again...

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Jul 25, 1999, 6:04pm

I can't seem to get the color command to change named objects. For example, I have a button object with: "activate animate 1 wood 1 1 0" and a bunch of objects with "create name 1", but if I change the button to "activate color me brown" or some variation, it doesn't work. The color command should be able to work for named objects, just like every other command. Consistency please.

Jul 26, 1999, 4:01pm

Well, yes I do (the less cell data, the faster things load) but this problem would make changing multiple objects' colors much easier.

[View Quote] > You just to love to save cell space
>
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Jul 29, 1999, 4:06pm

That was initially tried (i.e. the "some variation" part), which didn't work either for what I'm trying to do. Read more carefully before you post next time.

[View Quote] > One thing that might help is that it is create color brown, not create me
> color brown.
>
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Jul 30, 1999, 9:45pm

Hmm, yes, that's it, but it's inconsistent with the current name commands (like "create animate <name> texture 1 1 0") which don't require "name=<name>". Ah well. Thanks for clarifying.

[View Quote] > the color command has an optional name tag
> for your example you would use "activate color brown name=1"
>
> is this what you mean?
>
> for further reference........
>
> http://www.activeworlds.com/help/color_command.html
> http://www.activeworlds.com/help/name_command.html
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Jul 29, 1999, 8:20pm

And how is this committee supposed to make us listened to any more? AWCI doesn't give a shit about what we, the users/citizens, want because AWCI has its own agenda. Just go to the source of AWCI: E N Z O (Rick), Cryonics (JP), Roland, and now Hamfon.

[View Quote] > We aren't being listened to. We should go along with Modrd's idea of forming
> a comitee, and I would like to be the first one to say so. Those in favor of
> doing something about the wishlist whisper "I" and e-mail me.
> tamealy at n-m-n.net.

Jul 30, 1999, 9:48pm

Unfortunately, supposedly under Delaware Corporation Law (where AWCI was incorporated), companies incorporated under this law cannot be controlled by the majority of stockholders so AWCI stock is essentially worthless and only worth buying if you want to make a fast buck (assuming it ever goes up again).

[View Quote] > Well, you can always form a loosely knit corporation and all of the bitchers, whiners and complainers could contribute a couple of grand each, buy up the AW stock and take control of the corp. Then you all can bitch, whine and complain about who is going to play boss this week. But then again, youi all might be able to force the company personel to get off their duffs and get what you want done, done.
>
> Just a thought.
>
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Aug 2, 1999, 2:01am

Ah but that's just it...supposedly money from citizens is nothing compared to universe/galaxy server sales and other sales.

[View Quote] > Would they listen if they thought they would loose a bunch of money if they
> didn't?
>
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Aug 4, 1999, 2:37am

Who knows, Rolu... I think when AWCI (then COF) initially charged for cit=
izenships it may have helped them out a bit (and still some to a relative=
ly small degree compared to galaxy/universe servers and custom world desi=
gn--like with The 13th Floor, etc), but I think it will really hinder AW'=
s popularity instead of helping.

Everquest and Ultima Online (which charge something like around $15/month=
or so) only have around a few thousand subscribers or so, but the compan=
ies behind these on-line games have the funding to take such losses; AW, =
on the other hand, does not.

I'm just waiting for some 3D game company to get a clue and release an on=
-/off-line, multi-user, real-time, interactive, level editor that lets pe=
ople CREATE the level as they PLAY it--changing, manipulating, adding/del=
eting to it as they're immersed in it. AW allows this to some degree, but=
most current 3D game level editors allow MUCH more realism in terms of l=
ighting and special effects. Real-time interaction is the key, and AW nee=
ds to GREATLY improve on this because it is a VERY static environment, wh=
ich gets boring quick. The more like a game environment AW becomes, I thi=
nk the more popular it will be. For example, game replayability is MUCH h=
igher with a level editor than without. People are more likely to play le=
vels made by other people and groups of people long after the original ga=
me levels have been played to death. Duke Nukem 3D, Quake, Half-Life, etc=
are good 3D game examples of this effect and non-3D games like Civlizati=
on, SimCity, WarCraft, etc also prove this. Multiplayer just makes a game=
even MORE popular.

A game/program that merges both of these aspects is a definite hit. It's =
just that for some reason no company has put the 2 together. Well, I thin=
k it's LONG overdue for such a program! I keep hoping AWCI gets that clue=
=2E I've tried getting Eidos/Core (publisher/developer of Tomb Raider) to=
do it but they just don't get it. Protagonist knows what I want, but of =
course he's gone from AWCI now...so then there's GEL, which may result in=
what I want, but who knows...

[View Quote] > then why don't they make the citizenships free? That would result in mu=
ch
> more citizens (also ONLINE citizens you can directly see in the world t=
ab),
> and AW known by more people, wich could translate into another 1 or 2 s=
old
> galaxy servers if some company has some money left for PR.
>
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Aug 5, 1999, 4:42am

Eh, shut up. Damn kid...

[View Quote] > I will eventually create a game much like the one you described, it wil=
l be a 3d RPG where the maps constantly change ever so slightly, and you =
can build a house, and well, a bunch of cool stuff, and it's gongi to be =
a big realm where it seems like anythign can hapen, and kick at $$ AI, and a=
ll that stuff... but right now it's all just in my head :( to get it out=
, I'll need 629 extreamly smart people, a bunch of good computers with C+=
+, and about 6 lifetimes of programming experience... yeah, that should =
just about do it... hmmm...
>
> That reminds me, Eep, you should learn C/C++ you would be very good at =
it, and probably end up taking over earth :-)
>
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Aug 5, 1999, 8:31am

Yea right...and then you woke up. Come back to reality, sport.

[View Quote] > Kid?! I'm 35!
>
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Aug 6, 1999, 2:59am

Yea, gee, how'd you guess? Perhaps it was my lack of coherent sentence st=
ructure and typing skills? Or maybe my thumb-sucking gave it away. Golly.=
=2E.<blink>

Reality...come back to it, champ...

[View Quote] > And so your what? 2 or 3 years old?
>
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Aug 6, 1999, 4:17am

Oh please...age is no excuse for being lame. And considering the communic=
ation medium we're using here (text), coherent sentence structure, typing=
skills, etc ARE important. Duh. Putz...

[View Quote] > Relax Eep, I'm just fooling around...
>
> hehe plus, once you become my age, you'll realize that 'coherent senten=
ce structure', 'typing skills', and many other things are not nearly as i=
mportant. After all, it's the way someone says soemthing, not the way so=
mething was said that makes saying things important. :-)
>
> Relax a little,
>
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Jul 31, 1999, 8:20pm

Uh, perhaps you don't know how to use the "Print Screen" key? Try it with the "Alt" key and be amazed. Check the clipboard. Paste into any graphics-capable app. Knock yourself out. Wee...

[View Quote] > I think it would be cool if in aw you could press a button and it would
> capture the current browser screen as an image. Just press a hotkey and a
> message will come up asking what format you want and Voila instant screen
> shot. Trivial compared to most things (rotating on z axis) but still cool.

Aug 3, 1999, 7:01am

A VERY old request that will probably never be implemented until the world database system is rewritten to accomodate true 3D rotation. In other words, don't expect it to be added anytime soon...it's obvious AWCI doesn't want to stay on top of (or even anywhere NEAR) the 3D gaming industry in terms of technology and innovation...I'm just waiting for the right level editor to be released from a multi-player 3D game where I can TRULY create immersive environments, and not these AW wanna-be mockups of 3D environments...

[View Quote] > I've got this tourist friend (Yes I actually made friends with a tourist)
> who would swear on his life that he's seen someone pitch an object forward
> (for all u morons out there, rotate the object from a horizontal plane to an
> incline closer to vertical [Hehe, If you don't understand that, why are you
> even using aw]). I'd like to see this in a future version of aw. It would
> make those evil things called ceilings easier (you don't need to hunt for an
> object that doesn't fit the building anyway) as you could just flip over a
> normal walk. It would also get him to stop asking me that question.

Aug 21, 1999, 8:43pm

That shouldn't matter since everytime you move, every single object (whether "pitched" or not) has to be recalculated. This is called real-time rendering, which is what RenderWare, AW's rendering engine, does.

For z-axis object rotation (what you're referring to by "pitching") to work, the cell database structure needs to be rewritten to allow for this, as currently it only stores object x-/y-axis rotation.

Why this wasn't included initially in AW I don't understand, as it's a fairly basic concept in 3D (but AW is missing a LOT of fairly "basic" 3D concepts anyway, so...). It's obvious Ron Britvich (AW's originator) didn't code AW for modularity and easy upgradability (not to mention he didn't think about AW's design well enough initially). He (before he left COF) paid for it when improving AW, and Roland (and now Hamfon) are paying for it now...

[View Quote] > Another thing to think about with objewct pitching is that it also might
> reduce frame rate, because everytime you move it has to recalculate the
> rotated object...

Aug 7, 1999, 4:57am

If the world has no registry, and an "illegal" object is created, there won't BE any error message since there is no registry to refer to. Andras is correct.

[View Quote] > Actually, with ED rights, I've seen it black triangle illegal objects but
> not delete or notify you

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Aug 9, 1999, 5:21am

[View Quote] > FYI: You can't disable messages... you can make them look like this:
>
> ' : '
>
> but that colon won't disappear... and to do that you need to use a special
> character in the message file (just leaving the entries blank crashes AW, I
> think... I remember Eep tried it once just with blank spaces)

I think that's been fixed, but I haven't tried it in a while...

Aug 10, 1999, 2:43pm

No, because you're not entirely correct. :) Even WITH ED, the BI will still appear. For example, if I attempt to change an object owned by a citizen who no longer has building privileges in the world, I'll get a BI message. And like you've been told a few times now, the reason the BI doesn't mention encroachment errors will usually only happen when a world has no object registry. And you can bet your newbie ass the BI will bitch to you if the cell is full.

[View Quote] > Hmmm...
>
> In any case, I can draw these conclusions.
>
> A) There is no Building Inspector - just a fancy way to print error messages.
> B) By editing the client, you can completely remove him. This may, of course,
> include editing source... but you could just as easily make it say: (as DthKnight
> pointed out) ERROR: #576 Encroachment.
> C) The server is what is doing all the validation.
> D) If you have ED, then the BI-error-messages do not show up. Instead, the
> server, and the client, pretend that the objects are missing (they black-triangle
> them), instead of saying that you are inputting invalid data.
>
> Now... what say we drop this thread and discuss something else?

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Aug 12, 1999, 9:26pm

[View Quote] > This may or may not be true...
>
> *laughs maniacally*
>
> My delaying tactics have worked! Eep has been led so far off topic... he will never find his way back! BWAHAHAHAH!

Hardly, idiot. But I'll accept your defeat. :) Drive through!

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Jul 14, 2000, 9:54am

The point is, like many of AW's 'features', the world rating system was done half-assed (probably requested by Lucrezia to go along with AWCI's attempt into virtual education), but she just didn't get the whole picture as usual...as are Rick and JP.

[View Quote] > Umm, isn't that what Private worlds are for? If you don't want certain
> people getting into your world, you make it Private and only put the
> people you want to enter the world in the Enter Rights list. Besides,
> how are you supposed to know who's 12 and who's 20? As long as they find
> the password, it doesn't matter how old you are.
>
> I'm sorry, but there's only one thing that can protect children from
> these kinds of things, and that's parental intervention. It shouldn't be
> COF's responsibility to babysit these kids and decide what they can and
> cannot see and hear. The minute that starts to happen, you can bet I'll
> never be seen here again! :P

Apr 12, 2000, 10:36pm

Tip: use smaller file-sized pics. GIFs can be used for most of the GUIs. And, no offense, but those screenshots don't exactly get me excited about this vaporware...

[View Quote] > Hi, I know that a lot of you have about given up on our ‘Vaporware', but
> work is continuing on the new universe and Eric and I are proud to present
> this first view of the future of VR We would like to show you how objects
> created in the following formats will appear. Calagari Truespace object
> (.cob file format), CAD object (.dxf file format), Lightwave Studio object
> (.lws file format) and, of course, rwx. In otherwords, build as you please,
> in what ever format you please and you are good to go. You will find your
> objects to be as smooth as a glass sphere if you wish.
> I'm sorry we have to vague regarding our name and exactly what the program
> will accomplish, but I can assure you that the end technical results will be
> astounding. For a preview, just click: <http://www.gineric.com> and then
> click on the Mystery Software. Thanks, Jet and Eric.

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Apr 15, 2000, 3:35am

I'll note you said similar (if not exactly word-for-word) things MANY years ago, Jetta...and we're still waiting. Put up or shut up, is all I'm going to say from now on. Enough overhyped vaporware!

[View Quote] > Hi Eep, I'm glad to see you are still catching the ng. You are missing the
> point here. The screen shots are just some objects we had that we used in
> the presentation. The fact is the software will support nearly any building
> program you wish to use and you will be able to create extreamly complex,
> smooth objects and life forms. (Forget the B I) I don't need to explain
> this to you. You understand very well what is happening here. Eep, there
> are some amazing presentations that will be made in the very near future.
> The object freedom is only a very small part of the over all picture. I
> cannot begin to present what will be occuring. As I told you when we were
> working on this a couple of years ago, we listened to complaints and applied
> solutions. Bear with us a few more short weeks and I think you will be
> pleasantly surprised. (However, if all you want to do is complain about our
> presentation, rather than content, have a ball.) Jet.

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Apr 23, 2000, 1:25pm

Thing is, I never told/asked you to take down your site--just make it navigate more easily and to clean your converted objects up for AW. 2 simple requests. The side
effect of other people's encouragement to you and more object sites opening up, etc, is hardly the exact opposite of what I wanted.

However, by taking down my RW site when I did (if that's what you're at all referring to), I won't let people forget how crappy AWCI has managed AW in the past and
what they still continue to do to oppress people when it suits them. They do not ask before doing things that will affect other people's creations, as is evidence by JP
and/or someone else at AWCI increasing the AlphaWorld building limit radius during the so-called AWHS GZ reconstruction, then thinking my stuff at AlphaWorld 2n 8s
was/is en eyesore simply because my objects are no longer solid-colored due to AW3's lack of backwards compatibility (plus a long-standing dislike of my
"walls"--considered vandalism by some--near Gordon's Cottages which were only put up because of Queen Bee's signs which have long since been deleted; I would have
taken my walls down earlier but I didn't even know I could delete my stuff within the building limit radius until I tried yesterday! Oddly enough I can't change/add
objects.). JP also recently changed a few AlphaWorld textures which don't all look the same as the old ones. http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/history.html for more crap AWCI's
pulled that I don't agree with.

And quit moderating this newsgroup!

[View Quote] > Ok. I will make the one and only statement I am going to make about
> Eep. I have been attacked by him quite a bit, and maybe it's time to
> answer up ))...
>
> Eep has been in a protest about AW for whatever reason for quite some
> time before I came along. and I was not aware of it, why, or any of
> it...... who new to AW WOULD know?..ok?
>
> I made a site (intended to be really small) and just give away a few
> objects... because all there seemed to be was Eep's old links page that
> Casay now handles, and man..as you guys know...... very very little was
> there.
>
> So what's one more little guy gonna do..make waves? Not really.... not
> enough to cause any attention. Even though a LOT of the items were too
> big for AW, it was a start, and several people took notice and started
> to teach me.. and I am grateful..they know who they are ))..
>
> then came a BIG nasty almost fatal bout with the flu.... I came home
> from the hospital and have lain here in bed every since...... and
> nothing to do but AW..
>
> And all objects I have converted or made I upload and test... so, myself
> for one, I knew some were too big, but everyone has the option NOT to
> use them, so what;s the kick about.... take it or leave it..it is a
> learning curve...
>
> Then as I dug deeper, I found and read a lot about Eep's
> protest....etc..... which is some kind of love/hate thing with AW that I
> don't care to get into. That's HIS business, and I stay out of
> it..period.
>
> But I noticed my hits were really down on my page, and people in the
> newsgroups were really becoming bitter about AW... and it all didn't
> make a lot of sense... but I don't care to take issue with that right
> now either.....
>
> So: what I found was this:
>
> Post and Ad... Eep would comment....
>
> I stay quiet.
>
> Post another Ad..Eep would challenge.....
>
> I stay quiet.
>
> Post another Ad:....Eep attacks........
>
> I stay quiet.
>
> Everyone else starts to raise holy hell with Eep... (thanx to you all
> for that BTW)..))
>
> BOOM.....my hits go up....
>
> People looking just to see what is going on..
> .
> I get tons of email and tele's...encouragement... from people like Mauz,
> Imagine...etc....telling me how they downloaded the objects, and made
> them better..
>
> And now Casay's links paage hs almost DOUBLED in the number of sites
> flowering out AW objects of good quality....
>
> It seems to me just the opposite of what Eep was trying to accomplish...
>
> I made contact with many of those people, we exchanged links..etc....and
> things are growing no matter what anyone says or does....... the number
> of sites today PROVES it.
>
> So....yes......my ratty assed site needed work, and is on Xoom which is
> slow as hell to begin with, but was never intended to be a push point
> to jump start objects for AW again....
>
> So Eep, if you read this.I AM cleaning it up now that I feel physically
> better...and I hold no grudge against you for PERSONAL attacks that
> really weren't warrantied... you DO need a bit of polish on your bedside
> manner.... but you are a smart guy.....I give you that having read all
> of your work.
>
> But I am no dummie either... don't even thiink that. The publicity you
> have given out has been worth more money that AW could ever spend to get
> support and interest in object building up.....
>
> And that's all I have to and will say on this matter......
>
> I stay quiet.

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May 9, 2000, 1:53am

Well, objects don't HAVE to be centered around their absolute axis center. So long as you know the object's dimensions the registry should be fine.

And, Myrth, if object registries didn't support axis-aligned objects (sprites), anyone could place one in AlphaWorld, but they can't because of encroachment which is handled by its object registry. Also AW would say the object isn't registered, but that doesn't happen either...

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>
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May 12, 2000, 2:53am

And the lame space texture on borderless glass objects?

[View Quote] > The new triangle objects now turn on an edge axis as originally planned.
>
> And the new wood textures are up. :o)
>
> You will need to reload your Alpha cache.

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May 12, 2000, 2:54am

And the lame space texture on borderless glass objects?

[View Quote] > The new triangle objects now turn on an edge axis as originally planned.
>
> And the new wood textures are up. :o)
>
> You will need to reload your Alpha cache.

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May 18, 2000, 11:10am

Why is this good news (for AWCI)? I thought NOT making money is usually considered "bad" in the business world...or does this mean AWCI is just losing LESS money? heh...so perhaps in another year they'll actually be making a profit? <gasp>

[View Quote] > Activeworlds.com, Inc. Announces First Quarter Results,
> 2000 Net Income $.003 Versus 1999 Loss of $.045 Per
> Share

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