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Feb 7, 2002, 5:38am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] How much do you wanna bet that people do NOT build a world to encourage
tourists to become citizens??? I'd be willing to bet the group on Yahoo!
Groups won't....

Patrick Cook
Owner - Pub 102X (FOR NOW)
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado

Feb 8, 2002, 9:02pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I'm guessing some of the building on Broadway World. Those are pretty tall
*and*, if given the right server upgrade(s), they could be used much like
the insides of the houses on 3D Homepages. Thus making it possible to have
worlds *within* a world.

Any thoughts OneSummer???? Justin???? Anyone else???

Patrick Cook
Owner - Pub 102X
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado

Feb 13, 2002, 6:57pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I think I must've passed by this monster during my little "trip" on
Alphaworld. Quite the site. :-)

Patrick Cook
Owner - Hamsterville (a.k.a. Pub 102X)
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado

Feb 13, 2002, 7:12pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] All this talk about largest cities et al has me wanting to find a spot (out
in the open of course :-)) on AW and doing a little tinkering and building
of my own (I should be able to do that with my current cit, right??).

Who knows, if all goes as hoped, Hamsterville just may become a part of
AlphaWorld. :-)

Gee...Now I've REALLY gone off my rocker. *LOL!* :-)

Patrick Cook
Owner - Hamsterville (a.k.a. Pub 102X)
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado

P.S.: I just may start with a virtual sports pub. What do you all think???
Boy....I think I'd better post this before I *really* fall off my rocker.
:-) *cuckoo* *cuckoo*

Feb 10, 2002, 11:41pm

Hi everyone

I hinted on the group list last night that I had an alternative idea to 3D
Homepages, and after some much needed rest in the wake of my "trip", I'm now
posting my deas here. Feel free to comment on them if you wish.

I was passing some WONDERFUL (and not-so-wonderful) builds as I raced back
ON FOOT from about 24,000 N 24,000 W all the way abck to GZ (took me a
little over 24 hours to do it though), I began to wonder WHY is ActiveWorlds
charging for 3D Homeages (which have *very little* #D functionality) when in
fact they could *easily* (and more feasibly) charge for space on AlphaWorld
instead???? I mean, they've only *begun* to fill in the space there!!! How
can they afford to just simply let all that land simply go to waste????
It's beyond me....

Now hear me out on this, okay.....

Granted there are works of art on there and some builds which you wonder why
they even exist at all. However, I believe that some pre-set guidelines
will cure that.

Once a person gets the space, they get all the objects and building tools
currently afforded to 3D Homepage Owners. In addition to that, we would
have access to the AlphaWorld Building Yard as well as an object compiler
(to make the moving of duplicated objects easier). We could build on as
mcuh (or as little) of the space as possible (up to a P-10). Plus, they
would all be inter-connected via the roadways on Alpha World so one can just
simply go from town to town just like driving out in the country.

Speaking of driving, see my post script at the end of this message.....

However though, here are some suggested guidelines.....

Any bulding MUST be COMPLETELY built (and furnished!). No incomplete
structures will be allowed or they will be deleted within a certain length
of time not to exceed 30 calendar days. We would also have 10 calendar days
to AT LEAST begin with construction, though any space left under
construction for six months would be re-allocated to someone else and all
objects imported would be deleted.

We would get all this for the current price of $6.95

Hypertext links could be changed whereas instead of going to some 3D
Homepage, surfers are taken to wherever GZ used to be in the 3D Homepage
(post 3D Homepage applicants wouldn't need to know this though because they
never had a 3D Homepage before).

Finally, to match all the particular themes out there, I think the current
AlphaWorld could easily be rendered suitable for all current 3D Homepage
themes except for Atlantis (these owners would fall into a new Alpha world
called Aw-Atlantis or something like that). Seperate Alpha worlds can later
be created to better match the theme.

So guys, have I gone totally beserk or am I on to something????

Your tuen to comment....Cheers... :-)

Patrick Cook
Owner - Hamsterville (as known in the Immigration Officer greeting - Pub
102X otherwise)
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado

P.S.: Is there some reason why there isn't a CAR in the Avatars pull-down
menu on AlphaWorld???? I mean if AlphaWorld is going to be made into a near
replica of America's fascination with roads, we ought to at least have the
option of being a car as we drive down the roads. Can AW answer this one???
If no one does, I bring it up when I take up some others matters with AW.
In the meantime Cheers....Patrick :-)

Feb 11, 2002, 7:07am

Hi everyone:

You misread what I was saying, you build at your own leisure BUT you would
have to START building within the 30 days.

And if could *probably* sum up why it's taken 7 years just to fill 7% of the
land in a nutshell, that nutshell would have to me MARKETING (or lack
thereof!).

If I'm mistaken, then I'm mistaken and will stand most humbly corrected.
:-)

Now does it make more sense???

Patrick

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Feb 11, 2002, 11:13pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Okay....obviously it WAS a bad idea (or at least *not* a very well conceived
one), so I won't suggest it. And you're right Grims. One CAN build on AW
for the same price. They just need to get building rights. So if this is
already offered, then even *if* I *did* suggest it, even ActiveWorlds would
concede to being redundant charging.

In which case I stand most humbly corrected. :-)

> You do touch off a good idea for private world owners, especially
> large private world owners, such as !Friends, A'Tuin, Broadway, and the
> like.

1). !Friends isn't a private world and 2). The private world owners on the
Yahoo list were a LYNCH MOB compared to you guys. At least you guys had the
prescence of mind to be civil about your disagreement. :-) I have since
left the aforementioned Yahoo! Group (may they boast their Cys while the
rest of us do something CONSTRUCTIVE to save AW! Can you believe they were
planning a large protest on AWGate???? While the idea was a good one, I
thought AlphaWorld would make a better choice. Naturally, as with all my
other ideas I brought up on there, they shot it full of holes and cast me
off as being "clueless").

> With a new financial pinch because of raised prices, and since
> bandwith these days cost more than Bill Gates himself, your idea for
> charging a small pay for a lot is economically logical and still morally
> right. If a world doesn't feel it needs to, they don't. But everyone
> sensible enough would understand that these worlds have to pay to maintain
> their world somehow, why not let their frequent citizens help pitch in.
I'm
> surprised it hasn't been courtesy in such worlds for users to PayPal
donate
> 5 dollars or so to private worlds they visit often. It would keep the
world
> running longer and better, as I see it. With Alphaworld, it's useless
> because AWC is already charging us for us to use the world in our cits.
> We're already directly paying for land, get me?

Yeah. Like I said, perhaps it wasn't such a well-conceived idea after all
as its already been thought of (albeit indirectly). I shall forget the idea
even popped into my head and move on. :-)

On that note.....Cheers :-)

pull-down
> near
the
> one???
AW.

Feb 12, 2002, 7:00pm

Hi everyone:

Not to get picky or anything, but.....

[View Quote] Then how is it I am able to get on without any problem at all???? Stellar,
did you add anybody to the list or is it now a public world????

> You shouldn't take criticisms thrown out in newsgroups too personally.
> It's well known that people say things to other people in such forums
> that they would never have the nerve (or ill manners) to say in person.
> I include myself in that (even though I try to do better).

JFTR....I wasn't taking it personally at all. Critcisms which are politely
posted that I can't argue with I just simply read without replying. I don't
(or try not to) take such critisms personally at all. I'm no perfectionist
by any means (who is these days?? :-) *LOL!*), though I do try to do my
best not to come off sounding too "brash" or "cocky" as it were (at least I
like to *think* I do. :-) *LOL!*).

> Sorry I haven't been following your idea, or the protest ideas too
> closely. I think when people feel strongly about something they should
> express themselves in whatever way is available to them.

The protest wasn't my idea, though I do believe the email group which I just
left is going about it all wrong by using the *wrong* world as The Gate
isn't where AW does all its advertising. It's AlphaWorld. We all know
that. Only by hitting AWLD in the WALLET do we evwer stand a chance of
seeing some positive change. Add to the fact that they are WAY out of touch
with the community (unlike their counterparts at Live365, which is *very
much* in touch with its community) and AWLD's doom is all but certain. As
for NetBroadcaster.com I don't think I need to go into what will most likely
happen to it. :-)

> I'm not sure what "constructive" things can be done to save AW. I think
> there is a shortage of money because the money has been spent poorly. I
> could be "constructive" and send them a donation of $1000, but it would
> still get spent poorly. My reason for being against the price increase
> is not that I don't have the money to pay, its because I think the money
> that is flowing in already is not being used wisely. I also think the
> new pricing will drastically cut the size of the users base. That to
> me is intolerable. I don't know anyway to protest that constructively.
> I've posted my views here, as have others. At least new users don't
> read this stuff, and potential users can't. So only "hard-core" AW
> users and management (if they choose) will see my "protests". That's
> about as constructive as I can be.

See above.

> If AW management hasn't come to their senses by the time my ID is up for
> renewal, I will let it expire. I know many other people that are
> planning to do the same thing. My "protest" in this case is to announce
> that here, in advance. Once I am gone, I will be gone for good though,
> as I think most people will be. There are other programs that are
> coming along, and with more users to support them will come along
> faster. Once I have committed to one of those programs (probably
> Atmosphere) I won't want to turn back. It's not an easy decision to
> make either. I am truly heartbroken that things have come to this.

AWLD will most likely be out of business by the time my cit expires next
February unless......

> I think the best thing that could happen for AW would be for AW
> management to conclude that they just can't make enough money off of it
> to satisfy themselves, and then maybe they would look for someone to buy
> the technology from them. Leaving them to do whatever they plan to do
> with Netbroadcaster. I don't expect it to get to that before my ID
> expires though, so, I'm probably history.

.......They sell out to someone like Yahoo! who could work wonders with 3D
and integrate their current chat system. Maybe only then our cits, worlds,
builds, etc. will be saved in the long run. One can only hope anyways.
:-)

AWLD, if you're reading this, PLEASE consider this. Don't just "sweep it
under the corporate rug" while you add another "Dot Com" to add to your
casualty list. It's well documented all over the web by now that you can't
afford to keep this cherade (sp?) up forever.

Patrick Cook
Owner - Hamsterville (officially known as Pub102X)
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado

Feb 13, 2002, 6:50pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] What are all the sporting events involved???

Patrick

Feb 20, 2002, 11:49pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I'll agree the avatars are a bit tinny, however if there's *one* avatar
AlphaWorld *desperately* needs is A CAR. I mean gimme a '69 Camaro or an
'80 Ferrarri. Something. A bicycle just doesn't cut it anymore.

> Has any one stopped to wonder, what sort of a drain on AWcorps resources
> this out of date world is? As you already know, further upgrades to the
> browser are made difficult as the developers attempt ( and don't always
> succeed) to make new compatible with the old. Lets face it, after 7 years
> Alpha is sad and tired and pulls down the general standard of the
> ActiveWorlds experience for newbies. And the life blood of any community
AND
> company is newbies.

I don't think it's a drain on AWCorp's resources, but it *is* out of date.

> As much as I love Alpha World and her many beautiful builds I firmly
believe
> that it should pass on. With enough warning that citizens can transfer
their
> builds and any others that are worth saving to a new world and make the
> necessary changes that it would take, only the unwanted rubbish would be
> left behind. It is important that any product keep up with the times in
> order to be a viable option as a marketable asset and our sentiment for
old
> Alpha is going to destroy that and our community.

Well...Here's to hope that a NEW AlphaWorld that's more compatible with the
3.x browsers will soon be built to replace it. I can't see AlphaWorld being
"put out to pasture", but I *do* see the *current version* of it being
retired soon.

However though, OTFS, look at it this way, who would YOU rather see fill up
AlphaWorld??? The citizens of ActiveWorlds who take their time and are
quite meticulous about their builds or some "dot Com" development
corporation who could give a RATS ASS about us OR being being meticulous
just as long as they consume as much land as they can possibly get their
greedy little hands on (and use bots to do the building too!) as
ActiveWorlds counts all the $$$ said company(ies) bring in????

Personally, I'd choose the former as creativity is an art that takes *time*
to build. That's something these companies don't seem to or want to
understand.

> I know ppl are going to be upset by this view but stop and think before
you
> post a negative response. How many ppl see AW GZ as sadly in need of a
> refit? Compare Alpha World to many other worlds. The answer is obvious,
the
> old girl has seen better days.

I'm sure she has, but see above. :-)

> We want this software to continue and grow , both for AW's good and our
own.
> The more newbies that we can impress with the technology and with our
> community , the more chance we ALL have of staying in our virtual home
away
> from home.

I wholeheartedly agree. :-)

Cheers :-)

Patrick Cook (who recently RAN back from about 24000N 24000W all the way to
Ground Zero - And spent an entire 24 hours doing it)
Owner - Hamsterville (officially known as Pub 102X)
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado
Be sure to check out my AlphaWorld build starting at 5000N 294E. Let me
know what ya'll think :-)

Feb 21, 2002, 3:11am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Chris, what does NetBroadcaster have to do with this??? NetBroadcaster has
its own resources. Why would AWCorp want to shut down AlphaWorld and devote
the resources it uses where they're *not* needed???

And BTW...When *I* said the word "replace" in my earlier post on this
thread, I was referring more specifically to an *upgrade* of the existing
AlphaWorld, which would probably result in a "propdump"during the upgrade
process as AlphaWorld would no doubt have to be taken offline during such an
upgrade, but the world name itself wouldn't change. Just the server and
other resources used for the upgrade. Just figured I should point this
out... :-)

Patrick

Feb 21, 2002, 4:27am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I'm no World Owner by any means Dion, but even *I* would have to think it
all depends on the hosting provider and what they can provide. Heck, I can
remember when XOOM.com (later NBCi.com) thought THEY could do the same with
plain ol' 2D websites. Look where that lead to.

Just my $.02 worth....Cheers :-)

Patrick Cook (who didn't really like the idea of moving his sites from NBCi
to Geocities, but is glad he did :-))
Owner - Hamsterville (officially known as Pub 102X)
pchamster at msn.com
Be sure to stop by the AlphaWorld build (such that it is) starting at 5000N
294E. Feel free to let me know what you think. :-)

Feb 22, 2002, 2:58am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] But Kellee, this is what sets AlphaWorld apart from all the rest.

Look at it this way, your state government just doesn't delete the stste
simply because they don't like some of the stuff that's out there on the
open road, do they??? Of course not. They can't. It's physically
impossible to do so. So, what do they do instead??? They improve the
roads. They work with people who will develop the land (some commcercial
and some just common ordinary folk) into something useful. And if that
means leaving that old rundown shed along the side of the road up, then so
be it. They also work with environmental groups to PRESERVE the
environment. Some are tour guides at landmarks.

So what will deleting AlphaWorld solve???? Answer - NOTHING!!!!

In fact, that would merely give people an excuse to go looking for the next
oldest world and go finding reasons for deleting it as well. Add to the
fact that, by the time you get to the bottom of the list, it'll be time to
start all over again (which is *exactly* what people in here would be
doing).

> Every newbie... ( and any one thats NEW is a newbie) wouldnt appriciate
the
> imagination and love that went into a build like that.... they would just
> see it as a joke, a tepid joke, much like a overlapped ,scrappy NAC "three
> walls and a tree" build from '97.

I'll admit it, though I'm most likely not the first to do so, but there was
a time that even *I* thought that some of these "builds" should be deleted.
Now, I view them as works of art (albeit not neccessarily Picassos mind you,
but works of art nonetheless). I also often compare them to that old
rundown shed alongside a country road in the middle of America's Heartland
(and even that is simply because of its looks). In other words, IT BELONGS
THERE.

> And thats what hurts me. The fact that the decaying few "old timers" are
not
> enough to offset the "newbies" that we should be encoraging intio
> Activeworlds.....

This is nothing more than pure selfish pride talking Kellee and you know it.
Can you not accept the fact that there *are* some of us "newbies" out here
who really want to see AlphaWorld IMPROVED???? We all know it's in *dire*
need for an upgrade, but deleting this "Out with the old - In with the new"
approach won't solve anything because in a few years, someone will consider
the *new and imporved* AlphaWorld to be "obsolete". And it could be someone
just like you Kellee.

> Stop and think.... perhaps we are preserving Alpha to spite our faces?

No. We are preserving AlphaWorld because it's the people who make it such a
wonderful place to be and it's because of devoted people like you, Lara,
Just In, Goober, and the many, many others on here which make building on
AlphaWorld so fun and enjoyable.

Could it be that you just don't want your little corner of AlphaWorld linked
to or with anyone else who just might be luring people away from your
build(s)??? I cannot help but to wonder if there's a sense of enviousness
to this whole idea. And I mean this to be nothing more than constructive
criticism. If I'm way out of line or off base, I stand must humbly and duly
corrected. :-)

Patrick

Feb 22, 2002, 3:18am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] That's right Goober. I agree wholeheatedly. :-)

> If there's one thing I've learned about most cities, it's that they're
> very reluctant to change. Who are we to decide what's worth saving and
> what's not? Those three walls and a tree could prove to be very
> sentimental to some pour soul who has since moved on. Whether they left
> due to boredom, or they just couldn't afford it anymore, or they didn't
> want to put up with AWC's antics anymore is not for us to determine.
> Suppose this person comes back and finds that build wiped out. What
> then? You can't rebuild history, even a virtual one.

Again Goober, you hit the virtual nail right on its virtual head (No pun
intended either). Not only that, but what if that person not only comes
back, but also wants to continue building or make it even better??? I think
the *only* person who should be deleting, moving or doing *anything* with
*any* property should - and *must* - be the person who *owns* said property.
They're the *only* ones (aside from AWCorp for legal purposes) who should
have *any* rights to do so.

An example of this (albeit in the future tense) would be my own build
atarting at 5000N 294E. You'll notice that I didn't delete any property or
even ask that property be moved to make way for my road (which right now
*is* the majority of my build at the present moment). I merely used
*existing* road to hook up to. I didn't *have* to do this, but nonetheless,
I *wanted* to because there was open land across the way.

If you walk up Hamsterville Road and look way out there, you'll notice
there's a small forest ahead. I plan to incorporate that build into the
town of Hamsterville. Not sure just how at this stage and I'm sure me and
the owner of that build will work things out, but this is nonetheless in the
planning stages.

> As far as I'm concerned, AlphaWorld is an all-or-nothing proposition.
> Either we keep it open (and there really is *no* reason it should *not*
> be so), or close it to all further building and make the entire world a
> giant museum. Otherwise, we'd be in for the worst logistics nightmare of
> our lives.

If all future building is closed and AlphaWorld is preserved as is goober,
it will most assuredly become a logisitical nightmare simply because of all
that empty land which could be put to better use.

Just my $.02 worth....Cheers :-)

Patrick

Feb 22, 2002, 3:39am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Kellee, the *only* person who has even made mention of these so-called
"rumours" is *you*. AWcom hasn't brought it up on its site. And if they
think 3D Homepages are going to replace AlphaWorld, they are only kidding
themselves because in five years (less than that if they ever get a
*competant* marketing team with a plan going), they'll have the same problem
with 3D Homepages.

Why???

Simple. Not very many people I know would want to go through the trouble of
starting their own world the size of oh say....Broadway World [mentioned
solely for the sake of discussion] (and paying hosting costs to boot) if all
they're going to have is a few people (READ: A small handful). It just
wouldn't be worth it to a lot of people.

Add to the fact that AW wants you to pay them $60 to allow tourists, and
that's yet another incentive. I feel bad because as a 3D Homepage owner, I
would have to pay only $20. All of these examples are just some of the
reasons why I'm creating an AlphaWorld build which will be linked to my
existing 3D Homepage instead.

> I personally dont care if my builds are deleted, although its sad to think
> of the many ppl that have builds along one of my roads suddenly not having
a
> road any more, but can you imagine, for example, SW city 2 months after
SW
> Commit dosent register for any reason?..... Can you imagine how many roads
> he must have built? the builds ? The whole city would suffer if some one
> integral to the city plan was deleted for what ever reason. I would say
that
> was change on a grand scale, wouldnt you?

*I* would care because one of your builds is an Object Yard, is it not??? I
might need stuff from there someday.

> I want to uproot ALL the buildings worth saving

Yes do that, but the question would then become *how* do you *define* what's
worth saving and what's not??? Answer - You can't. No one can't. What
might be an eye sore to you might be a Picasso to someone else. Have you
thjought about that Kellee??? If not, maybe you should...

Something to think about...

Cheers for now everyone :-)

Patrick

Feb 23, 2002, 12:09am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Even so Chris, I would think that the WORST case scenario would be that the
overall size of AlphaWorld would be shrunk as opposed to deleted outright.
AlphaWorld is too popular for that. Of course, this would mean that some
builds (particularly those at the 10,000 mark and beyond in all directions)
would have to be moved, but I think a lot of people could swallow that a
*lot* easier than having their build totally deleted. All AWcom would have
to do is ensure that building rights are returned to the rightful owner of
each build upon completion of the move and the owner is notified.

The owner could then go to the new location and ensure that everything is in
reasonable order and report any damage and/or missing items.

> Or didn't you read that little chat log between a certain
> GrimReaper (with universe rights) and Yosemite?

What chat log are you referring to Chris???? *perplexed look*

> So in all actuality, Netbroadcaster has everything to do with what AWC's
future actions may be.
> Yes, I am broadening the subject a bit, but I must say, GrimReaper is an
apt
> name for that particular discussion. :) I wonder if he purposefully
named
> it that?

Even so Chris, GrimReaper will be undoutedly much too busy dealing with a
mob of angry porn site owners (many of them with lawyers) who will (if they
aren't already) wondering where all their multimedia content is and why
their members can't access it, to even *think* about looking at AlphaWorld
(or much of anything else in ActiveWorlds for that matter).

And even then, the direct impact it will have on ActiveWorlds would be
minimal at best. Nothing that an army of GK's couldn't handle.

So if I were you Chris, I wouldn't read too much into it (at least not yet a
nyway). We've got bigger fish to fry and bridges to build. :-)

Just my $.02 worth...Cheers :-)

Patrick

Feb 24, 2002, 6:33am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I sure hope they offer *existing* citizens a discount on the product or
there's gonna be a mass exodus like we've never seen before anywhere on the
Internet.

Patrick

Feb 24, 2002, 6:44am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Ever hear of such a thing called a KILL FILE??? You could just simply put
'em in there, couldn't you??? I'd hate to see you go as a result of the
actions of a few IDIOTIC morons.... :-(

Just something to think about.... :-)

Cheers for now... :-)

Patrick Cook
Owner - Hamsterville
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado
Be sure to stop by our AlphaWorld build starting at 5000N 294E New things
going up every day or two. :-)

Feb 24, 2002, 7:04am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] But no matter how you slice it or dice it filmkr, you are still only *one*
person!!!! Why not just use only *one* name???

> It makes me sick as it does not follow any normal business school teaching
at all and is 100% uncalled for. Perhaps you
> can simply ignore that sort of pain that users have gone through. I have a
> heart... I have public records showing my care for people on this planet.
I
> can't sleep while AW bullies up on crippled bed ridden users and allow
punks to
> spout out and flame them. I stood up for the hurt ones who were double
billed as
> well. Everyone laughed and called those users stupid... Perhaps if I
looked
> into it I might find the majority of flamers come from people who have
ties to
> working with AW?

And yet all the while you are doing your best to save the world from the
greedy mongors better known as AWcom, you just couldn't resist taking just
*one more* shot at Agent1, couldn't you???? Why must you feel as though you
must defend yourself all the time???? Could it be tbhat you're *not* God's
greatest gift to the world of 3D chatting after all???? Hmmm....gee......
*boggle*

> If AW wants $$$, why don't they advertise for users like normal companies
do??

Because, like so many of their dot com counterparts who thought the Internet
was the ABSOLUTE greatest thing to come along since television and who
thought the Internet would supplant *all* forms of conventional media, they
were STUPID enough to believe that they wouldn't even need such "primitive"
forms of telecommunication to sell their product as the product would simply
sell itself right on its website.

That's why AW is in this pickle in the first place. And now they want to
raise prices AGAIN??? They've just gone from DUMB to DUMBER!!! Their
*incompetance* in marketing shines like a brand new Olympic Gold Medal.

> Is AW Bundled with video cards?? Why Not? Are they on TV? Why not?? If
they
> did a bit of work in management and marketing rather than beat up the few
> current users there are maybe they would see some growth. There actions of
this
> year have lead to a sharp and drastic decline not to mention a great deal
of Bad
> Blood I doubt they will ever recover from.

AW will never be bundled with video or 3D Graphics cards because those
companies have proven to be juist as incompetant (if not worse) than AW
itself is.

Just my $.02 worth....Cheers :-)

Patrick

Feb 24, 2002, 7:10am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Filmkr.....right now the *only* person who's hurling flames is YOU!!! Which
(again!) brings about the question....

Why must you feel like you have to defend yourself every time (especially
when you *know* we are going to point out that you are *not* the "truth
speaker" your proclaim yourself to be)?????

Why put us through this???? What do you hope to accomplish (Better
question - What do you *think* you're accomplishing)??? Self gratitude????
Hah!!

Patrick

Feb 24, 2002, 7:22am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Well now Kah, even you have to admit that agent1 has often had some
interesting things to say and some interesting ideas. And he's helped a few
people out on occasion.

Does it make him special??? No. But I, for one, will miss his posts.

As for Filmkr, he probably wishes I simply "went away", but then too, he'd
probably love nothing more than to see *all* of us simply "go away".

Wouldn't you Filmkr....C'mon be honest now. Do what you claim to be good
at - FOR ONCE!!! SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!

Patrick

Feb 25, 2002, 1:11am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] You are reading FAR too much into Agent 1's NG posts IMHO. I haven't seen
the AWNews post(s) you refer, so I can't attest to those. But everyone says
something stupid every now and again. But, the *only* person* who has *not*
admitted to doing so has been Filmkr (and I doubt we'll be seeing such
admittance from good ol 'Mr. Truthful" anytime soon).

Besides, why continue to cry over spilled milk???? Time to move on, dontcha
think??? C'mon....shake hands with Agent 1. Be nice now....

Now was that so bad????

Cheers :-)

Patrick

Feb 23, 2002, 12:39am

Hi everyone:

Dion, on paper (and in an ideal physical world), this would work, however,
there is no such thing as an ideal physical world as it's been proven that
Affiliate Programs aren't the gold mines everyone *thought* they were when
the idea was first conceived. Add to the fact that many Dot Coms are going
out of business COMPLETELY and that just merely compunds things.

But, I do agree with you to this end. Half a loaf is better than *no* loaf
at all. I think Aw *should* set up an Affiliates program as it would help
defray at least *some* of their day to day costs. But I wouldn't stop at
just 2D Homepages. I think AWcom should include an object yard full of ads
which can be easily created on 3D Homepages and AW builds alike. In fact,
AWcom could stratigically sprinkle these signs along roadways in AlphaWorld
much like you would see an advertisement for "Joe's Garage" out on a country
road somewhere out in the middle of the open plains.

Would it pay off??? If enough signs were there, yet it would. Would it be
a gold mine??? No. But it would help to pay some of the bills AWcom has to
pay on a daily basis though.

Anyone else care to comment??/ Throw knives, darts and/or cast iron
skillets??? Hurl flames??? Go right ahead. It's your turn. :-)

Patrick

[View Quote]

Feb 24, 2002, 7:33am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Zeo, AWcom could set up an Affiliates Program like Commission Junction
whereas other dot coms could place banner advertisements on the AW system
and the clients (i.e. the ones world/3D Homepage owners who carry their
banner ad signs) would get a small percentage of the commission. If they
have enough $$$, the (the payee weho's the world or 3D Homepage owner) could
either have AWcom credit them with services or they could have AWcom to send
out a check to spend however they see fit.

I believe that's what I was getting at... :-)

Clear now??? Cheers :-)

Feb 24, 2002, 7:45am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] EXACTLY Normy!!! And given the fact that many 3D Homepages are linked to
existing 2D websites, 3D Homepage should be tourist accessible because many
of the newbies *will come from* the traffic generated by 2D websites.

However, does that mean tradional world owners should have to pay $60 to
make their worlds tourist accessible??? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! If tradional
world owners should have to shell out *anything*, it shouldn't be anymore
than $20 and *nothing at all* if their world is hosted by AW. I should
think that's at least somewhat reasonable.

Plus, later on down the road (like several months down the road), AWcom
could also set up a commissions program similar to Commission Junction
whereas they use the AW system to advertise other dot coms as well. I don't
see anything stopping them......

Patrick

Feb 27, 2002, 10:14pm

Hi everyone:

Got this in my mailbox and figured we could all use a little humor.....


=========BEGIN PASTED MESSAGE============
Thought you'd get a kick out of this! I did. Kat

SIGNS YOU LIVE IN THE YEAR 2002...

1. You just tried to enter your password on the microwave.

2. You have a list of 15 phone numbers to reach your family
of three.

3. You call your son's beeper to let him know it's time to
eat. He emails you back from his bedroom, "What's for dinner?"

4. Your daughter sells Girl Scout Cookies via her web site.

5. You chat several times a day with a stranger from South
Africa, but you haven't spoken with your next door neighbor
this year.

6. You check the ingredients on a can of chicken noodle soup
to see if it contains Echinacea.

7. Your grandmother asks you to send her a JPEG file of your
newborn so she can create a screen saver.

8. You pull up in your own driveway and use your cell phone
to see if anyone is home.

9. Every commercial on television has a web-site address at
the bottom of the screen.

10. You buy a computer and 6 months later it is out of
date and now sells for half the price you paid.

11. Leaving the house without your cell phone, which you
didn't have the first 20 or 30 years of your life, is
cause for panic and turning around to go get it.

12. Using real money, instead of credit or debit, to make
a purchase would be a hassle and take planning.

13. Cleaning up the dining room means getting the fast
food bags out of the back seat of your car.

14. Your reason for not staying in touch with family is
that they do not have e-mail addresses.

15. You consider second-day air delivery painfully slow.

16. Your dining room table is now your flat filing cabinet.

17. Your idea of being organized is multiple-colored
Post-it notes.

18. You hear most of your jokes via e-mail instead of
in person.

19. You get an extra phone line (or a ADSL/cable modem)
so you can get phone calls.

20. You disconnect from the Internet and get this awful
feeling, as if you just pulled the plug on a loved one.

21. You get up in morning and go online before getting
your coffee.

22. You wake up at 2 am to go to the bathroom and check
your E-mail on your way back to bed.

23. You start tilting your head sideways to smile. :)

24. You're reading this.

25. Even worse; you're going to forward it to someone else

===========END PASTED MESSAGE===========

I added the following ones in addition.... :-)

For those of us who are creating worlds for 3D chatting, there's this
one....

26. You claim to live in a town which the Post Office can't even find
because the town doesn't even exist in real life

And for those of us who listen to or run our own online radio stations,
there are these ones....

27. Your favorite radio station which you listen to at work can't be found
on the local radio dial.

28. You try to tune into your favorite online radio station with your car
radio, only to realize that it only receives AM or FM stations and XM if you
have that feature.

===========================================

Just figured I'd throw in a little humor. Flame me if ya want. I don't
care.

Cheers :-)

Patrick

Mar 1, 2002, 1:02am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] While I can't say I never got to know Honeydukes, I should think that this
NG is most appropriate for something as unfortunate and tragic as this.

> For those of you that knew her and loved her Honeydukes has passed away
due
> to pneumonia. :o( There is a memorial build at aw 7943.4N 447.5E 0.4a 182

I shall stop by there later on tonight and pay my respects like any other AW
citizen would.

Condolences go out to Honeydukes' family and friends too.

Patrick

Mar 1, 2002, 7:41am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I tried contributing a sign to the memorial build (even though I never knew
Honeydukes), though I can't get past the Building Inspector. I think if ya
want to offer a way in which they can add a sign, you're pretty much gonna
hafta use your own world server as the way Myssie has it set up, I can't
even stand out on the green grass and make a sign.

Anyway, I just wanted to say Honeydukes is in a FAR better place that we are
and she (??) should rest in peace.

Patrick Cook (a.k.a. PC Hamster)
Mayor - Hamsterville
pchamster2msn.com
Denver, Colorado

Mar 2, 2002, 6:52am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Hey Kris - This goes BOTH ways, ya know.... :-)

I, for one, happen to think that Goober is probably one of the most
objective (if not *the* most objective person on these NGs (that's a
compliment BTW Goober :-)). I mean think about it. Filmkr has said some
numbskulled, knuckleheaded, blockheaded, and most definately moronic things
on these NG's lately and he's been raked over the coals each and every time
by me and several other people.

However Goober hasn't done any coal raking (at least when it comes to
Filmkr). He's raked *me* over the coals a few times (if I recall right)
when I first started out, but those weren't via the NG's (at least I don't
believe. Goober's memory may be more accurate :-)).

I'm one who's all for *civil* discussion on topics related to AW (afterall
that *is* why you're here, right?) as we should feel free to indicate that
we disagree with something *without* the use of foul language (believe it or
not, there *are* communities on the 'net that follow this philosophy), but
to outright flame someone (especially with the use of foul language) doesn't
accomplish anything but make *you* a target.

Arrogance and constant spamming (which Filmkr has been accused of many
times) also makes you a target as was demonstrated in the latest Filmkr
thread in the world builders group RE: World Builders Purpose).

Anyway, my brain is a giant mushroom, but I think you get the point I'm
trying to make here. If not, lemme sum it up this way.

We CAN have our disagreements and *still* remain civil. I've seen it. I've
been a partisan to it. And Goober has no doubt seen it in here (perhaps
more than I have). Look at what we can accomplish by remaining Cool...Calm
& Collected. It's an amazing approach, isn't???

Cheers for now everyone :-)

Patrick Cook (who also has hope for this community)
Mayor - Hamsterville Residential District (better known as Pub 102X)
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado
Come see our new developing AlphaWorld build at 5000N 275E. Feel free to
stop on by and watch me work on the main part of town :-)

Mar 10, 2002, 7:04am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Oh COME ON peoples!!!! Where's your Olympic SPIRIT????? Besides, this is
EXACTLY the type of thing Flagg is cracking down on. *Sheesh!*

Chris, as a precaution (and suggested ONLY as such), you might wanna somehow
consider altering the logo somewhat so as to avoid some type of legal
conflict. Just a thought. :-)

Now, can we get back to the topic at hand PLEASE?????

Just my $.02 worth.....Cheers :-)

Patrick Cook
Mayor - Hamsterville (better known as Pub 102X)
pchamster at msn.com
Denver, Colorado
AlphaWorld Build - Starting at 5000N 280E (moved from 294E, though signage
is still there)

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