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Jul 17, 2003, 5:30pm

I know I am :) I am also very bad at html; takes me a long time to produce
anything in Notepad, so I have not dared to alter what NoMad1 once put
together ( and who knows I might even break the law if I altered it *g*)

But the info is still valid. Worldhosting 5$US/month with admintool access,
additional world 3$. OP space 200Megs and usage of the php script that makes
it not needed to upload for example megapath ( Ananas' OP and one I put
together is also there ready to be used) 10$/ month ; and if both world and
OP 12,50$/month

Drac
ananas <ananas at oct31.de> kirjoitti viestissä:3F16D9C7.4090205 at oct31.de...
> Well, myactiveworlds.com is not my site *g
>
> Dracula IS lazy though, you're right. I will kick him sometimes.
>
> Most worlds are running on the latest server though, so not
> everything is dated 2001 there :)
>
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 10:43am

Telegram from Calpantera, sent ke heinä 16, 2003 0:07:
Do NOT enter other universes on our servers by changing the port on the
aworld.ini. This is against the EULA and could get your right to use AW
revoked. Do not port surf our servers.

When I logged into AW I had recived this.
I am wondering what the big harm is if I find a new universe? Maybe that
could cause me to register as a citizen and even buy a world .

The reason why I did this was I was asked to help out with a slight problem
on one OP I host. The OP is used in an universe hosted by AW. I am a citizen
in the universe, but has never downloaded the browser simply because I have
a small HD.
I had forgotten which port it was running on, so I had to try until I found
it.

I am now wondering; where can I find links to download all browsers separte
for all universes? I have not came across it anywhere at activeworlds.com .

I am also wondering what the f*** EULA is. I do not recall reading anywhere
when installing the software that chaning the ini is illegal. Would it be
illegal to remove ones password from the ini if one has by mistake sometimes
set it to save it automatically?

I must say I am getting very tired of the nazi policy AWI has; they come up
with new shit for worldowners each day. They change the rules as they
please; even in the middle of a contract. I guess it is their right to do so
tho, but living in a fairly democratic country I just get so pissed off at
people who has no respect of others; simply because they feel they do not
have to.

I am also wondering if it is legal for a comapany to "spy" on me; how else
would they have known I had to look for the right port? Furthemore, if this
EULA thing came with 3.4 and I use 3.3 for entering various universes, I
should not be braking any stupid laws?

Drac

Jul 16, 2003, 1:18pm

I have looked into each and every folder where I have my browser installed,
I can find NO license text. How I am supposed to know what it says 5 years
after I installed a software ?
I disagree that editing the ini is editing the software.Espeacially since it
is a part that is meant to be edited. I found a mumble jumlble license text
in the worldserver software; it did not make much sense to me tho. I wonder
how AWI is suspecting people with other native language than english to make
any sense of the text at all.

If someone has a private universe and wish to have no visitors, one simply
do not allow tourists to enter; simple as that.

I do not really see the logic of having 20 identical browsers installed ,
when one could do with one or two.

Drac
r i c h a r d <richard.lazenby1 at ntlworld.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f154f69$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Modifing the ini is in breach of the AW EULA (End user license agreement)
as
> its counts as editing the software. Some universes on are private and
aren't
> ment to be visited by people. Each browser you install licenses you to 1
> copy of the AW Software for accessing the AW universe only or which ever
> universe its set to. I had a slightly extended talk from bill about this.
> But doesn't this mean programs like AWStart are illigal?
>
>

Jul 16, 2003, 1:24pm

I still not see the illegal part. Sometimes I have clicked on links provided
by Google and ended up on a 403 page. Would this mean I am doing something
illegal? I simply take it as ok, I try another page. Same with universes.
Many universes do not let me enter, fine , I try another.

I find it rather amusing that someone actually have time to sit and compare
log files and ips; this in a company that claim to be to busy to help out
customers or solve any problems.

Guess I will have to connect through proxies when visiting OW for example,
so I am not committing any crimes.
Stupidity seems to grow all the time, I wonder what next; maybe we can only
enter AW if we sit in a certain position infront of the computer, the same
as we did when we installed the frigging software.

Drac
r i c h a r d <richard.lazenby1 at ntlworld.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f1550e9 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Quite simpley as well to find out like with me the universe keeps log
files.
> Of visitors IP's etc. Your name and/or IP must have been located in one of
> the private universes log files and if it was your IP it may match up with
> your name in the AW uniserver logs as well.
>
> http://www.activeworlds.com/help/aw34/uniserver_log.html does show quite a
> extensive logging mechanisum. But like world server logs that shows every
> bit info about you down to the exact cells youve queried etc
>
>

Jul 16, 2003, 3:23pm

Strange. The program is depending on windows , electricity and an internet
connection to work also.

Drac
strike rapier <strike at Rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f1588e6$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Not really, 'the program' is defined as the binary executable and its
> dependancies....
>
> - Mark
>
>

Jul 16, 2003, 3:25pm

I have not tested, because I have never run into these childish rules
before.

Drac
zerge aka rexory <erik.faes1 at pandora.be> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f158773 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> you can use proxies for OW ? never worked for me
>
>

Jul 16, 2003, 3:26pm

Bur WHERE can one read the EULA?
I guess one have to find a work around

Drac
r i c h a r d <richard.lazenby1 at ntlworld.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f1589a8$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Telegram from Calpantera, sent Tue Jul 15, 2003 22:10:
>
> Editing the ini is altering the software and against the EULA..
>
>

Jul 16, 2003, 3:38pm

I bet it would. I was not actually editing the ini file either, just
replaced it. I renamed the original ( I take I must be allowed to have my
files named as I wish on my PC). Then I dropped the new ini file in. I must
be allowed to store a text file where I wish on my PC and must be allowed to
have it named as I wish. If AW-exe do choose to use the text file I have
decided to store in a folder of my choose, instead of the one meant , it
cannot be my fault, can it ?

Drac
bowen <Bowen at andras.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f158c21$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Jul 16, 2003, 3:47pm

Thank you Richard.

Now if anyone could point me to the place that forbid me to rename any file,
I would be happy.

" GRANT. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, Activeworlds.com, Inc.
("AWCOM") hereby grants you a limited, personal, nontransferable,
nonsublicensable, royalty-free, nonexclusive license to use one copy of the
client software product you are about to install in object code form
("Software") for the purpose of accessing the Active Worlds server and
using
the Active Worlds software resident thereon ("AW Software")."

I guess this is the critical part. Note especailly the "for the purpose of
accesing the Active Worlds server" I was connecting to an Active Worlds
server and only one place at once.
Now I have just out of curiousity download the OW and CNW browsers just to
see if the text is changed for those, if not I really do not consider I have
braken any rules.

Drac

r i c h a r d <richard.lazenby1 at ntlworld.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f158afd at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Inside the AW Installation or right here:
>
> ACTIVE WORLDS BROWSER END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
>
> BY CLICKING ON THE "NEXT" BUTTON, YOU ARE CONSENTING TO BE BOUND BY AND
ARE
> BECOMING A PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL OF THE
TERMS
> OF THIS AGREEMENT, CLICK THE "CANCEL" BUTTON AND THE INSTALLATION PROCESS
> WILL NOT CONTINUE. IF THESE TERMS ARE CONSIDERED AN OFFER, ACCEPTANCE IS
> EXPRESSLY LIMITED TO THESE TERMS.
>
> GRANT. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, Activeworlds.com, Inc.
> ("AWCOM") hereby grants you a limited, personal, nontransferable,
> nonsublicensable, royalty-free, nonexclusive license to use one copy of
the
> client software product you are about to install in object code form
> ("Software") for the purpose of accessing the Active Worlds server and
using
> the Active Worlds software resident thereon ("AW Software").
>
> You may: copy the Software for archival purposes, provided any copy must
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the
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Jul 16, 2003, 4:02pm

Thank you Mongo :-)))))
I will use this when the drag me to court or I drag them if they suspend my
account.

Drac
mongo <mongo at alt.2600.comcrap> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f158e1d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Technically, I can understand the intent of Calpantera's message. However,
> even within AW's user guide, they recommend changing the aworld.ini,
> altering settings. See
> http://www.activeworlds.com/help//multiple_worlds.html - I'm sure it
appears
> in more than one place. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim
> altering the aworld.ini is a violation of EULA, and at the same time
> recommend doing it within your own help files.
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 4:11pm

LOL!
They are actually encourage us to commit a crime, is that not illegal also?

Drac
ananas <ananas at oct31.de> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f1594a6 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> An even better example :
>
> http://www.activeworlds.com/help/uniserver_access.html
>
> They _ENCOURAGE_ you
>
> <quote>
>
> To customize your browser, add the following two lines to the top of the
aworld.ini file:
>
> [universe]
> host=domain name or IP address of the UniServer machine
>
> </quote>
>
> You see that the telegram is plain nonsense.
>
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 4:14pm

But same EULA is in the uniserver software.

Drac
starfleet <Starfleet at Command.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f15955e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> That's the uniserver ini, not the aworld ini.
>
> But here is one.. http://www.activeworlds.com/help/aw34/debug_log.html
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:51pm

Typical AW response. Bash you and never bother to explain why.
I was threted with beeing banned from AW. If the reason is that I am not
supposed to enter private univereses, that is surely a thing between me and
the universe owner, not the hoster of the universe.
I also belive we have come to the conclusion that the EULA do not reach to
the ini file and furthemore, it should be viewable whenever one want; not
only by reinstalling the programm.
In the gram there was noting mentioned about you not wanting me to enter
private univereses, simply that it is against EULA to surf ports.

Drac
calpantera <bill at activeworlds.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f159d1f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I never said anything was illegal. I said it was against the EULA.
> Activeworlds has the right to enforce or not enforce any part of this EULA
> at anytime including terminating your right to use. All I was doing was
> asking in a rather stern manner "Don't go into private universes" that is
> all. If I was to connect to various ports on your systems and see what
> things I could do I am sure you would not appreciate it either. Please
don't
> reply to me via this thread as I consider the matter closed and will not
be
> reading it.
>
> Thank you
>
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:53pm

Sure I can, I have paid for my account and worlds. If I am banned because I
do something they ENCOURAGE doing on their help pages; I sure as hell can
file a fraud report to the local authorities.

Drac
john <john at 3d-reality.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f15a5b4 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I belive you cant if they suspend your account because they reserve the
> right to suspend your account?
>
> ~John
>
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Jul 22, 2003, 10:25am

Lady, I honestly think you cannot do much within AW universe.
If you really want to have a civil war, I suggest you get a cracked universe
and host it in some country where copyrights do not apply. Then refuse to
close it down and go to court with AWI. When and if you win that battle, you
have achived the independency.

Drac
the lady <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f1c700c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Telegram from "anonymous", sent Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:24 PM:
> i will fight with all my mite to the death to stop u and ur Declaration of
> Independence u now have a war on ur hands
> --------------------------------------
>
> Ya'll declared war on me. I don't even have an army. Guess I'd better
get
> one.
>
>

Jul 22, 2003, 10:20am

Oh well, I do not see how your OP service would differ from that provided my
Heartfall or myself. I guess they have to sue us all then :)
As I see it, in my case, I charge a bit for the empty space and bandwith I
provide. The OP I have gathered from regular AW stuff, freebies, scratchmade
and converted stuff is like an extra. To save people from having to upload
the same stuff and fill u their space with "regular" stuff. I do not see the
logic of having for exaple pp01.rwx in 40 different places on the same
server.

So calm down now Bruce, it is not good for ones bloospressure to shout like
that :) Let people sue if they think they have a case and most of all if
they think it is worth it; until then relax.

Drac

mrbruce <a1ctworld at aol.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f1cc0d5$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> There appears to be alot of grams spread around right after Kol threatend
me
> and my path.Lets get this staright people right now before lawsuits get
> imposed on the guilty parties!!!!!
> A!!CT nor does A1CTPATHSERVICES SELL OR OFFER ANY OBJECTS FOR
SALE!!!!!!!!!
> IT IS CLEARLY ON OUR WEBSITE ON BOLD FUC*ING LETTERS FOR ANY MORON TO READ
> THAT CAN READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> WE HAVE A RIGHT LIKE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE IN AW TO OFFER OUR PATH AT
BAND-WIDTH
> USAGE ONLY...WE PAY FOR THAT BANDWIDTH AND ARE NOT A CHARITY SERVICE, ITS
> NOT ENOUGH WE AT OUR COST OFFER A WORLD TO BE FREELY USED BY THIS
> COMMUNITY!!!!!!
> ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO FORWARD TELEGRAMS LIKE THIS WILL BE
REPORTED
> TO AW IMMEDAITLY AND THOSE WHO POST WILL BE LIABLE FOR SLANDER!!!!
> A1CTPATHSERVICES.HTM DOES NOT OFFER ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO US
FOR
> SALE, ANY OBJECTS ON OUR PATH ARE NOT THE PRODUCT FOR SALE BY US AND ARE
> PASSWORDED AGAINST THEFT.
> PEOPLE BETTER GET THIS SHIT STRAIGHT OR FIND YOURSELVES ACTIVELY ON A
CIVIL
> COURT DOCKET FOR SLANDER AND I'M NOT FUC*KING
AROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> NOW CUT THE BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>

Jul 22, 2003, 12:07pm

LOL :-Þ , not in middleaged men ;-)

Drac
alphabit phalpha <alphabitphalpha at activeworlds.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f1d441f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Why Count......I would think you would enjoy a bit of a blood pressure
> rise:)
>
>

Jul 24, 2003, 5:21pm

bowen <Bowen at andras.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f1f6e56$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...

Yes I agree, we should not call Bush a monkey; it is insulting towards the
monkeys.

Drac
>
> I welcome dislikes and different opinions, as long as it doesn't turn
> into attacks on said peoples or things. Such as the bush is a monkey
> theme common with Europeans.
>
> --
> --Bowen--
>
> No of SETI units returned: 44
> Processing time: 36 days, 0 hours.
> (Total hours: 864)
> www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu
>

Aug 2, 2003, 8:42am

r i c h a r d <richard.lazenby1 at ntlworld.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f2b7f28 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> No, cause then they could just add extra worlds :)
>
>
Quite simply to check who is hosting what with your admintool

Drac

Aug 2, 2003, 3:45pm

No idea to check that often, maybe once per week or so. And if someone has
started a new world there, just give them a friendly reminder :)

Drac
r i c h a r d <richard.lazenby1 at ntlworld.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f2b9fb6 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Yeah suppose but if i got serval servers im not really in the mood to
check
> them every day or every 5 min
>
>

Aug 5, 2003, 9:39am

LOL.
Would it not be simplier to simply block her from sending you grams?
Ppl tend to spam all the time, often in good faith tho; like recently I have
recived 30 grams not to download AW 3.5 Beta. I guess those who made the
virus/trojan whatever, should atleast have bothered finding out that 3.5 is
in alpha *g*

Oh and watch your blood pressure Andras :-)

Drac
andras <andras at andras.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f2ec34c$2 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Aug 6, 2003, 6:01am

ferruccio <startrek3 at earthlink.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f309700$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The Lady would be a whole lot worse than the current president :P
>
>
Well, that would take a hell of a lot to do.

Drac

Aug 13, 2003, 4:19am

Hi old man ;-)


If you're tired you usually sleep for a while and do
not shoot yourself. And actually there's no need to
hurry with the "stuff" either - as long as no one knows
what exactly he is waiting for, he will be patient.

Have fun in your "AW-vacations" :-)


Volker [Ananas] (Still using Dracula's)


weebo <weebo at my.activeworlds.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f39c0f7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I would like to apologize to the community and AWI for my behavior in the
> last few days and especially Daphne since we go back quiet a ways and
> anybody else that I may have hurt or disappointed. I have had plans on
> leaving for some time now. My intentions were to toss in all my hats, let
my
> worlds run out in November, retire my PK number on it's next anniversary,
> and wind out of AW. It's just way too much work and I'm tired. I have
models
> and bots that nobody has ever seen before. Time to move over and let
another
> generation have fun.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> Weebo

Aug 18, 2003, 7:12am

Well, I would say about 90% posts here are crap and waste of bytes
(including my posting now). I just have a hard time understanding that
someone bothers to send a post that is 2kb, just to complain that someone
has posted 2 letters to much and wasted bandwith. Doh!

Drac
starfleet <Starfleet at Command.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f40111f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Still shouldn't one include it in posts, signs, tport objects etc. if its
0m anyways, it
> just wastes bytes.
>

Aug 24, 2003, 1:00pm

Eep was (is) not much of a debater, he is more like a small evil kid who
tries to scare others with shouting the loudest. He might know things, but
he seldom bothers to explain anything, mostly goes for "fuc**** newbie
idiot".

When he gets into a debate it usually ends with "suck my filter, twit", that
is when he runs out of arguments. One can compare it to a kid in the
sandbox.; " I am not going to play if we do not play as I say"

One thing I have always found a bit kontravercial is, that Eep most likely
is an intelligent person, yet he seems to have severe problems understanding
logic; I am not even going to get into his non-extential capability of
empathy.

I know obe should not speak evil of a person who is not in here, but he has
filtered me anyway, so would not make such a big difference even if he still
was here *g*

Drac
elyk <kfoerst at sbcglobal.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f45304a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> No, actually I just feel he was best at debating people's crap in the NG's
> in some aspects, thanks for your 2 cents though ;P
>
> Elyk
>
>
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Aug 24, 2003, 1:16pm

daphne <Daphne at notup2par.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f44e93b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I apologize... The first 2 paragraphs said just the opposite of how I
apply
> my own judgement; moral or otherwise; to the choosing of persons to host
in
> CitBingo or AWTrivia worlds... But they do say just what might happen if
> Alex had his way and no one was allowed to actually go by their own
> judgements/opinions when dealing with others or choosing what they feel is
> the right thing to do...
>
> I DO exercise judgement when choosing hosts and often ask others what they
> think of a person I'm considering as a potential host... My aim is to
keep
> those worlds G-Rated as is AWI's wishes...
>
>
>
<snip>

This is not a comment directly to you, but more like a general view on Bingo
hosts.

A few times I have heard people complaining they were not allowed to host
because they are gorean or involved in some other roleplay game. I have
found that a bit strange, because many people who plays these rolegames has
children of their own, and I am sure they would be interested in keeping the
place G-rated.
I wonder if Anthony Hopinks would like to host, if he would be allowed;
after all he played a cannibal .....

In general I think it is dangerous to judge people because of their
profession, hobbies, look etc.

Drac

Aug 24, 2003, 1:26pm

kah <kah at kahnews.cjb.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:Xns93DE87660570kahatkahnewsdotcjbdo at 64.94.241.201...

>
> Can't you please just remove her posting ability? She's filling the
> newsgroups with mad ramblings!
>
> KAH

It is more like people commenting and answering that fills it up.

Drac

Aug 25, 2003, 3:12pm

..duo. <ncommons at comcast.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f48e79f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I think the whole g-rated thing is bull pucky.
>
> There are no studies which show that exposure to sex, potical topics, or
> other exposure is harmful (exlcuding violence and bondage, neither of
which
> can be done or shown on AW).

I know it do not make much sense to have a movie rating system in a chat.

I have also questioned our so called moral in the western civilition several
times; that usually just end up in flaming and hatemails and grams tho, so
not sure if I even bother going into all the strange the strange things we
do and live accord.

Drac

Aug 25, 2003, 3:16pm

kah <kah at kahnews.cjb.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:Xns93E29B6FEB9E0kahatkahnewsdotcjbdo at 64.94.241.201...
> "count dracula" <dracula at netsonic.fi> wrote in news:3f48d90e$1
> at server1.Activeworlds.com:
>
>
> That's the consequence. She's the cause.
>
> KAH

I still think she must have her right to express her thoughts, as long as
she do not do any personal attacks or use language that might causa traumas
to hipocritical people.

Not sure if The Lady owns a world, but if she do, I think it would be
against the EULA to remove posting rights from a worldowner, because I
recall it says that Ng support is included in the deal.

Drac

Sep 3, 2003, 11:04am

Oh that many persons. Wonder what are all doing then, for sure not fixing
the bugs on Megapath, updating newsletter or having tech-talks once a month,
not to mention not replying on peoples requests to collect their prices they
have won in some event.

There are many talented persons in AW as cits, who would be glad to help for
free even, but no.....

Drac
joeman <john at fakeplastic.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f54efd5$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Nononono ;)
>
> Grumpy = Bill
> Sleezy = Rick (heh)
> SueU = JP (Past history O.O)
> Programmo = Shamus
> JapaneseTaco = Will
> "that one billing chick" = Elle
> Avatar Lady = You ;)
> JoshahShy = Josh C
>
>
> -Joe
>
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