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Feb 8, 2006, 11:51pm

I'm having a problem with 3.6 browser not d/l the latest changes to things
like avatars.dat and terrains. For instance, I have completely deleted the
cache, closed aw ... verified that my op has the correct *new terrain*
textures ... restarted the browser only to see the old stuff still in world
.... while others see the new stuff!? Anyone know what is causing this? I've
known of it happening to one other person (I use to have to send him av dat
cause he couldn't d/l it no matter how he tried) ... well now it's happening
to me, both with new av dats and with terrains, etc. Any suggestions aside
from the standard ones of *delete whole cache*, *verify you have u/l new
textures to the correct folder*, *reinstall aw*, etc. Been there, done those
:o/

Feb 9, 2006, 5:09am

Sometimes, and for what reason I've never had explained, a cache(2) forms
and plants itself outside your AW program folder. It could be anywhere on
your HD. Try running a search using the word cache and see if you have
multiple ones. If so, delete them all and try again! This has caused me
similar problems in the past. Good luck :)

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Feb 9, 2006, 12:33pm

Sometimes, certain IP providers have a cache delay of a few days, making it
possible that it will just keep downloading what it did a few days ago
instead of the new downloads. Deleting your cache in AW will not change this
unfortunately.You end up having to wait it out until it decides to update
the cache. If others are seeing the new updates and you are not, it's a safe
bet this is what it is. Other then that, I have no other ideas of what might
be causing it.

lol I know all you tech types are laughing at how I described this, so
please feel free to clarify better what I just stated.

~Stacee

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Feb 9, 2006, 3:25pm

Har Har :P

Actually thats not bad :O

- MR

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Feb 9, 2006, 3:35pm

i can confirm that. it happens to a friend of mine all the time. she has to
wait a few days befor she can see the changes.
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Feb 9, 2006, 4:15pm

Spiraware Productions is now open and ready to sell any type of bot you
need, and a cheap price, for a good bot. Here we can sell a full-fledged
RPG Bot with every feature thinkable, for as low as $30! And a
completely equipped CTF Bot with mines, multiple weapons, different
gameplay modes, and more for as low as $20!

* Until February 15 everything we have will be %25 off.

* You may only use the bot you buy in one world. May buy an extra world
license for $5, and 2 extra worlds for $8, while 3 for $12

* We are accepting four more programmers in the languages Visual Basic,
C++/C, and PHP. - We will pay.

* If you are staff all the money goes straight to us, and we pay you for
each sale we make, %50 of the profit goes to you.

Feb 9, 2006, 4:36pm

*Spyware Productions

- MR

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Feb 9, 2006, 9:20pm

Yeah might wanna rethink the name. But whos gonna work for $15 per sale,
bots aren't that cheap to make but no one out there will pay more than a
little bit for a bit unless they're really desperate.

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Feb 10, 2006, 9:45am

The hell is this doing in the Browser Problem Thread?
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Feb 10, 2006, 2:47pm

Strike, you complain about everyone else for doing shitty work, and
other things, but why don't you ever get off your ass and do something?
N-o-b-o-d-y l-i-k-e-s y-o-u.

Think it over. I hope you die a slow and painful death.

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Feb 10, 2006, 6:36pm

I like him.

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Feb 11, 2006, 10:40am

perhaps before making personal attacks on people you should stop and look in
the mirror!

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Feb 11, 2006, 10:51pm

I think a LOT more people are liking towards Strike than what they are
towards you.

If you're so desperate for money, ask your parents or go get a job.. Only
reason I can think of as to why you don't already have a job is because your
under the legal working age..

I don't think anyone wants to pay for a service that is ran by a fourteen
year old, with no qualifications, and who attacks others personally when
they simply comment on how the name of your "company".

If anything, Strike was only really trying to point out that you don't want
to use the name Spiraware.. Even just saying it, it sounds too close to
Spyware.

If you take any advice from any of these posts or not, is up to you. But so
far, you have just failed to get a potentially promising client.
They have read and replied to your post. If you were maybe more
professional, you could have made quite a bit of cash by selling them a good
quality bot.. Doesn't look like that will happen now.

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Feb 12, 2006, 3:09pm

> other things, but why don't you ever get off your ass and do something?
See: Evo, and its 1000+ lines of code
> Think it over. I hope you die a slow and painful death.
Don't you fucking dare use my own threats against my allys <3

Feb 12, 2006, 5:12pm

Enzo could you please delete this chat thread as it pointless and imature.
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Feb 12, 2006, 5:50pm

[View Quote] 30,000+

- Mark Randall

Feb 16, 2006, 7:27pm

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What do you think I'm trying to sell bots for? I'm not desperate, I'm
EARNING money. Not begging like last time. I read the post and I looked
like a little 11 year old begging for money for an unsuccessful project.

I am going to get a job at my local Food Lion ASAP also, so I can make
some money on the side to really promote my business. This is not just a
little business, I intend to go all the way up the ladder. Hiring
people, paying them, I'm only paying a little for each sale now because
I have absolutely, NO funds. Any purchase would be greatly appreciated,
and the sale is extended.

I am also about to purchase a world named SpirProd that uses a Business
Bot I programmed(also for sale(lol)) where you can add products on the
GUI, and you can view them through AW, and purchase the product. It's
only around $10-15.

Thanks

-Ceph

Feb 17, 2006, 4:52am

But you don't quite understand.. No offence on the age limits that may be
implied here, but;

A 14-year old saying that, he is going to "climb the ladder", who has no
previous education certified in any I.T subject, and no previous work
experience plans to run a major corporation?

Let alone, anyone can come along right now, register "SpiraWare" (no one
would actually pay money for a name like that), and sue the hell out of you
for trying to make money off that same name.

Wait until you get certs, a better grasp of programming, a higher sense of
maturity and above all, knowledge of how the real world works.
Just because you're programming for people and getting money doesn't mean it
is a "internet job" and easier than anything else, like most believe. This
job is an actual job, just as much as working at McDonalds or the
International Stock Exchange is.

Selling people bots isn't going to get you anywhere. Most people like you,
also sharing your age group, do this as if they are playing a game of
"Shop".

Anyways, enough of me.. You will soon see that no one is interested in
you're bots, and that you are wasting your own time.

For $15-$20 I can go and pay a tiny bit extra and get a fully-educated
employee of a major company to program something that I have full
customization over, and I also get the source code with it, if I was
interested in modifying anything myself.

-Equin0x.

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Feb 17, 2006, 3:14pm

[View Quote] Oh, really? Nobody is intrested in my bots? I have made 9 sales already.
I know plenty of the real-world, and I believe I am plenty educated. I
read every developer tutorial in VB that I could get my hands on. Read
full-fledged books on it, and studied it before I even started programming.

You know nothing of me, or what other people will do regarding my bots,
and look at Murasaki 3d, or Starheart 3d: They are doing great. M3D has
brought in over $10000.

Do not act like you know everything, because as Mark says, People who
think they do are a great annoyance of us who do.

I do not like you, nor do I respect you, and I wish you would stop
replying to my posts, I don't care what you have to say.

I would like to request that the only replies to this thread be bot
requests.

Feb 17, 2006, 3:17pm

[View Quote] If it was only 1000+ I was going to comment, lol. But 30000+ is pretty
impressive. My best was around 22k

Feb 17, 2006, 4:56pm

[View Quote] Yes, but no-one knows *everything*, there are people however that know the
vast majority related to specific subjects.

- MR

Feb 17, 2006, 10:34pm

I can't stop replying.

Your posts have me in stitches. They're too hilarious.

"I am plenty educated", is a good one.

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Feb 18, 2006, 9:26am

*sits back and watches fur flying everywhere*

Cat fight! Dog fight! Cat-n-dog fight!!



-=:[LtBrenton]:=-

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Feb 18, 2006, 3:18pm

Well, just, don't give up or anything, but as equin0x said, you really are
going no where. If you are serious about this, then if you are basing
everything on AW, your screwed at the end of the day. Instead, try this, go
and get a job, save up money, and when you have enough, then start your
business, register a company and all that, shouldn't be more then $100 for
all the paper work for a private limited company anyway, will need some one
else though, 2 people to register i think it is...

Anyway, then, create soemthing that people who have never been to AW will
find interesting and useful. Be creative, anything at all, as long as it's
useful. Then, look around for companies and try getting them to buy it.
Oh before that though, take a tutorial or 2 on business writing, have to
sound professional.
Just my opinion, but if you concentrate on AW, you're screwed.
I don't mean to put down Murasaki, or Starheart, because thier work is
great, and my guess is this is more of a hobby for them, then a business,
but $10000, you could do better then that. Now a days, $10,000 could give
you a great month of clubbing, and not much else. In london atleast, and in
the clubs i goto.
And don't forget, in thier case, they make everything themselfs, so don't
have to pay anyone else. you'll end up with quite a few expenses, like
worlds, labour, software too if you want to go legal.

And finally, don't get into fights with people. If you walk into a store,
and see the clerk swearing at someone in there, would you still want to buy
from there?

-SWE


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Feb 18, 2006, 3:22pm

so this is how people with small penises compete?
hehehhhehe! i'm funny! hehehehehe ^_^ crack myself up me.

-SWE

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Feb 18, 2006, 6:26pm

It's not the number of lines of code that matter, it does nothing ot
determine the functionality of your software.

Anything you can write in 20,000 lines, I'm sure I can write find a way to
write in 5,000 lines or less. Software is about functionality, and
performance. More times than not, a program using fewer lines will run
beter than a program using more lines. All that matters in your software
(to the end user), is the functionality, and performance. And for coders if
you should distribute your source, maintainability is another big issue, id
say 5,000 lines is a lot easier to keep track of than 20,000. Counting my
RPG bot's source its just under 6,000 lines without the comments its a
little over 8,000 with comments.

DM

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Feb 18, 2006, 7:17pm

Yep. 20,000 lines = INEFFICIENT CODE.

I could understand 20,000 lines of code in something like a major 3D
simulation app or some sort of high-end application such as a game,
but....20k lines for a bot? Even with all the features the bot Strike's
referring to has, I'd say if I sat down and coded hard, I could do it in
about 7k-8k.




-=:[LtBrenton]:=-
"People who brag about large amounts of code are usually trying to
compensate for something."
- LtBrenton, 2006


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Feb 18, 2006, 9:09pm

Uh.... You really have no idea. Things like AW take *hundreds of thousands*
or even *millions* of LOC to write. At last count Evo was 35,000 and if you
include the heavy heavy use of multiline macros that pushes it up to about
40,000.

When you have 7 or 8 thousand hours of coding experience behind you. Then
you can challenge me. Infact what the hell.

I challenge you, produce your own version, C++, everything, Dynamic rights
system, multimode attributes editing, 100+ commands, god knows how many
reports, the back end database interface, the XML communication standards,
the profile management system, the advanced logging capabilities, the
context sensing menus, the graphical display interfaces, the compressable
GUI.

Oh, and more than 2 { or } on a line does not count.

See you in 10 years and 80,000 - 10,000 lines of code because I can
guarentee you cannot code as pure as I can.

- MR

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Feb 18, 2006, 9:09pm

Uh.... You really have no idea. Things like AW take *hundreds of thousands*
or even *millions* of LOC to write. At last count Evo was 35,000 and if you
include the heavy heavy use of multiline macros that pushes it up to about
40,000.

When you have 7 or 8 thousand hours of coding experience behind you. Then
you can challenge me. Infact what the hell.

I challenge you, produce your own version, C++, everything, Dynamic rights
system, multimode attributes editing, 100+ commands, god knows how many
reports, the back end database interface, the XML communication standards,
the profile management system, the advanced logging capabilities, the
context sensing menus, the graphical display interfaces, the compressable
GUI.

Oh, and more than 2 { or } on a line does not count.

See you in 10 years and 80,000 - 10,000 lines of code because I can
guarentee you cannot code as pure as I can.

- MR

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Feb 19, 2006, 12:08am

Strike, get off your high horse. It doesnt take too long to pick up a
programming language and be quite adept with it. Also, if one is
willing to pick up clean and good coding practices at the begining,
there's no reason they cant produce code just as good as someone who's
been programming for *years*. Its all how you want to learn, and how
you apply what you've learned.

I do this for a living, I get paid to produce less code that does more.
So far I've stayed out of your little hissyfit with this dude selling
his "bots". Strike, I have some respect for you and what you've done in
the past, but right now Im telling you to drop it. Seriously. If he
wants to sell his bots, let him. If they arent any good, word will
spread and they wont sell. Think about it this way, how would you have
felt if someone walked up to you when you were first starting to program
and said "You're no good at it, give up!!".

Also, 7 or 8 *thousand* hours?!?! Thats just under a year of programming
24/7. No sleep, no eating, no sex.

Stop pissing all over this kid and his dreams strike.

-Joe

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