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Feb 8, 2003, 3:15pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Dude....I'm having a hard enough time AS IT IS trying to get people from the
Live365 Community to join ActiveWorlds. The LAST thing I need is YET
ANOTHER price increase.... :-(

Open Mouth - Insert Foot....

Patrick

Feb 28, 2003, 6:31am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Who else would (or COULD) think of taking ordinary objects such as a lamp,
a TV, or a computer and creating virtual images thereof (and make them look
so REAL in the process :-))???

> Most builders have no objection to new features being added to
> Alphaworld IF they don't harm old builds and DO make building more
> creative and enjoyable. I wouldn't mind seeing rotate and move
> enabled in Alphaworld as long as the Garbarge Elimination Team (GET)
> is willing to clean-up any vandalism that might result.

One thing *I* would like to see is a street object that curves much a "C"
effect as this would make creating roads and getting around builds MUCH
easier.... :-)

> I don't think many builders would object to a pretty daytime skybox
> replacing the mountain backdrop. A day or two of steady "night" in
> Alphaworld is fine on rare occasions, like they used to do in the good
> old days; but gawd, please with a realistic night skybox...not with
> that monstrous rising-earth backdrop! :-)

How 'bout rotating them according to VRT??? And add WEATHER effects too...
:-)

> If E N Z O is truly interested in adding things that *builders* want in
> Alphaworld - things that would result in cheers rather than jeers - all he
> has to do is add a few new objects every month. For example: new trees,
> new plants, a car or two, some animals, train tracks, varied hill sets,
> more poles with different angles, more furniture/appliances that match
> the size of the old furniture sets.

I wouldn't mind a car avatar (even in Alpha prime) as I've often had the
BIKE avarar referred to as a SNOWMOBILE.....

I hafta sometime keep telling them to think of it as a Honda motorcycle.

Aside from that, I really can't think of anything offhand right now.... :-)

Cheers for now :-)

Patrick Cook
Mayor - City of Hamsterville (which is getting some new builders - YAY! :-))
pchamster at attbi.com
Denver, Colorado (my REAL city)

Feb 28, 2003, 6:52am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I don't agree with this because Tourist builds, NO MATTER HOW GREAT THEY
ARE, can (and in the VAST MAORITY of the cases WILL) be deleted or damaged
by a citizen. Look at the number of fragmented tourist builds on AW today.
Look at the number of tourist builds which are now COMPLETELY gone because a
citizen either didn't like it or wanted to build something else where the
tourist build was standing. Given this, there's NO incentive for a tourist
to keep on building.

I say - AND I WILL REPEAT (again!) - Give tourists ACCESS to AlphaWorld, but
DO NOT give 'em building rights

> 2. Drop the price of citizenship to $35 per year.

This I **TOTALLY** agree with.

> 3. Let people chat freely at Alphaworld gz with the CA
> monitoring for flooding and blatant obscenity.
> Peer pressure and "mute" can work wonders.

So can a PK equipped with ejection privs. Anyone who's acting like an ass
should be TREATED like one. In other words - EJECT 'EM!!! Don't mess
around....

> 4. Allow world owners to let tourists back into their worlds at
> no extra charge.

Agreed. Besides, it's THEIR world.....

> 5. Do what it takes to make sure Active Worlds pops up at or
> near the top on search engines for as many of these things as
> possible: 3D Chat, 3D Communities, 3D Building,
> Virtual Worlds, Virtual Communities, Virtual Chat, Virtual
> Life, Online Communities

AMEN!!!!

Also audio and banner ads on Live365 & AudioRealm (since many towns and
worlds also have online radio stations which get LOTS OF LISTENERS). Every
chance I get, I've been talking up ActiveWorlds within the Live365
Community. I also do the same for Live365 here from time to time. :-)

> 6. Get free interviews - again, again and again. Never stop
> lookig for free ways to get the word out about Active Worlds.

Yeah....Call FOX NEWS. :-)

> I can think of lots more things, but that will do for starters.

Cheers for now :-)

Patrick Cook
Mayor - City of Hamsterville
pchamster at attbi.com
Denver, Colorado (my REAL city)

Feb 28, 2003, 7:03am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Either that or write some bot script to accomplish the same thing.....
*LOL!* :-)

Patrick

Feb 28, 2003, 7:09am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Hey Alpha....Is there a picture object which can be used by every city on
AlphaWorld to provide a link to those coords. from somewhere in town (like
the town GZ area)??? Seems to me this would be appropriate IMO....

Patrick

Apr 17, 2003, 9:52pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I have to agree with ya Comit. :-)

As such, I often wonder WHY FierceFerrette uses the mapper when laying down
his roads (If you've ever seen Abbey Road, you'll see what I mean). Then
too, HE probably wonders why I *DO NOT* use the mapper and rely on what I
encounter WITHIN THE AW BROWSER while laying down road. :-)

OTOH....When laying down road, there's NOTHING more frustrating than running
into objects I didn't even know existed BECAUSE THE MAP DOES NOT SHOW
THEM!!!! :-(

> ...or, AW needs a new "hero" who will start a new mapping service.

Ya think MapBlaster or MapQuest would be interested in the job??

Just a passive thought (and maybe a little wishful thinking?) :-)

Cheers for now everyone :-)

Patrick

Apr 17, 2003, 9:54pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] But a UNIX or Linix based maxchine/device should be able to handle it,
right??

Patrick

Apr 17, 2003, 9:39pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I think Tengel is referring to the AW browser itself Barbara. You might
wanna check to see if WAV sounds are enabled THERE. I have NO PROBLEM
hearing sounds unless they're so low that Winamp drowns them out... :-)

Patrick

Apr 17, 2003, 11:17pm

Hi everyone:

I have an idea which doesn't really need to be on the wishlist and can be
done by the AW Community :-)

As I write this, I am on my way from Hamsterville to Blankaborg to pay
BlankaM and his/her wonderful town a visit (In fact I'm sitting on the
highway out in the middle of nowhere at 4280N 1080E headed SE right now),
but as I was driving down the road, I stumbled across a BRILLIANT IDEA!!!

What if someone kept a directory of Internet Radio stations serving a
particular towmn and/or world complete with primary genre as well as Virtual
TV stations that do the same. then this way, for example, people visiting
Hamsterville could listen to MusicRadio 102X (a Soft Rock/Oldies AC
station), Jeeper One Red & Blue Networks (a pair of Old Time Radio stations)
or either one of the Jeeper One Comedy Network stations (one is a dialup
station and the other is a broadband station). In addition, visitors could
watch the local TV stations (once they're online) too.

And if you're sitting out in the middle of nowhere like I am now, one could
listen to one of the MANY "virtual satellite" stations out there with NO
ties to any particular town (such as WOLF-FM).once you "drive out of range"
of a station serving a particular town or teleport from one world to
another. :-)

Comments anyone?? :-)

Patrick

Apr 19, 2003, 7:38pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] It can be simpler than that Comit ( think Goober's just having a bad
day/start to weekend or something :-)), but what I was talking about is
basically localized content (or VIRTUAL signal strength as it were). The
directory can be a simple web page on a freebie service like Tripod which is
updated periodically and would consist of the following....

* Station name (obviously)
* Station Genre(s)
* Station's make-believe Frequency (if applicable)
* Station Website
* Player(s) required to listen to the station
* Distance in all 8 directions (in meters) from town in which the station
can be "heard" (suggested distance being 500 meters from the edge of town,
but can, of course, vary depending on terrain, VIRUAL signal strength and
other factors)

Mind you, none of this is in any particular order, but is merely an example
:-)

Of course, Internet Radio stations have no barriers as far as how far its
signal goes, but the content can be localized. Once you're beyond the
content range of the station, about the only way you're going to partake in
an event is if you either A). Race back to town or B). Teleport or warp
yourself to the event.

TV stations could be listed in a similar fashion as all that would be need
is the following....

* Station Name or Make Believe Call Letters (obviously)
* Station Channel No.
* Station Website or Webpage (if applicable)
* Information on how the station can be viewed
* Distance in all 8 directions (in meters) from town in which the station
can be "viewed" (suggested distance being 500 meters from the edge of town,
but can, of course vary depending on terrain, VIRTUAL signal strength and
other factors)

Again....None of this is in any particular order, but is merely an example
:-)

Of course, Internet or Virtual TV stations have no barriers as far as how
far its signal goes, but the content can be localized. Once you're beyond
the content range of the station, about the only way you're going to partake
in an event is if you either A). Race back to town or B). Teleport or warp
yourself to the event.

Additionally, signs can be posted like billboards throughout town and in the
surrounding coverage area so visitors will know where to tune in for all the
latest happenings in and around town.

Of course, virtual signal strengths can also vary on you imagination as
well. All that's needed is a little CREATIVITY. :-)

Finally, if you don't want your station to have ANY limits whatsoever (like
ABN, XEON, etc.), then your station can be listed as ORIGINATING from a
particular town or world (In other words, if Fox News were to be listed, it
would be listed as being a network or station from New York as that's where
it's headquarters are).

Do ya follow my idea NOW Goober?? :-)

Hope this helps :-)

Cheers for now everyone :-)

Patrick Cook (e.g. PC Hamster)
Mayor - City of Hamsterville
pchamster at arttbi.com
Denver, Colorado (my REAL city :-))

Apr 19, 2003, 8:02pm

Hi everyone:

I've got a few building projects in mind (yes I said BUILDING projects....As
in I actually CREATE A BUILDING), however in order to do them the way I'd
like, I need to know how I can make (or whwe I can get) the following....

* Budweiser logo (I know FierceFerrette has a Miller Beer logo in his bar on
Abbey Road) but I'd like a Budweiser logo for events and a sports bar I plan
to build near Bear Stadium in the Cedar Town District (there is some open
space nearby that I can take up)

* Sale mages of electronics and furniture stores - After seeing the shopping
mall BlankaM built in Blankaborg, I figured a shopping mall would look nice
in Hamsterville as well. However, I'd like to have it sell MORE than just
clothes. I plan on adding a few electronics and maybe furniture stores as
well (No...I don't plan on making any REAL $$$ off this mall, it's strictly
a virtual mall :-)). Some sale images from grocery stores would be useful
as well, though maybe not neccessarly for the mall

* Gas Station Bell - A good sized town like Hamsterville needs a place for
someone to get some go juice for their car. However, I'm thinking about
building the gas stations around Hamsterville a lot like the full service
stations of yesteryear in the RW (Remember the old Conoco, Texaco, Amoco, or
Phillips 66 your parents or grandparents used to go to when you were just a
kid in the back seat always asking the question of "Are We There Yet?" that
your kids ask nowadays) :-) I can embed this bell within an object which
would sound when someone pulls into the station. :-)

If anyone could help me out here, it would be appreciated (Even source URLs
would do if the image isn't on a service which blocks remote linkage of
images). :-)

Many thanks in advance & Cheers for now :-)

Patrick Cook (e.g. PC Hamster)
Mayor - City of Hamsterville
pchamster at attbi.com
Denver, Colorado (my REAL city)

Apr 20, 2003, 6:22am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Thanks Justin (and Lady). Found a few other .WAV files on that site you
posted Lady which I may also be able to use as well. :-)

Justin, what object would suggest I go with as the LARGEST (this is so I
don't go any bigger)?? I'm assuming a sign4.rwx would be large enough,
right??

Apr 21, 2003, 2:22am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] If so, then I suppose we should all take down all the Coke-a-Cola and other
similar stuff too because those are copyrighted too. However, the Budweiser
logo is as much of an institutional icon as the aforementioned Coke-a-Cola
logo. So, HOW do you keep an insitutional icon off of places like
AlphaWorld??

Besides, it's not like AWI is making $$$ off of AlphaWorld or featuring it
on their website....

Just my opinion....Cheers for now :-)

Now, as for the Budweiser logo itself....Justin, do you know of a version
which can be used on a sign in a banner-like fashion (the one I got comes
with a bottle). Does anyone else??Just curious. Not that it's not usable,
but if I can get one that's NOT shaped like a bottle, that would be better
IMO... :-)

Cheers for now everyone :-)

Apr 23, 2003, 12:57am

[View Quote] What would say if I told you I can STILL get Coke Classic at the nearby 7-11
or grocery store?

> I don't know of anymore ads AW has out there. All the soda machine rwx's
have
> virtual drinks. No infringement there.

FWIW...I made sure the snack bar at my Drive-In theater was equipped with a
teleporter with the Coke logo all over it. I also put the logo on a sign
outside the snack bar just above the doors. This is THE SAME logo that Lara
has in that LOVELY house near her object yard.

I don't know if there is a better object to better imitate a vending
machine, but if there IS one, DO post as I'd LOVE to replace that teleporter
with something that looks more like a REAL vending machine instead of
something that looks as if it could easily pass as AN ELEVATOR if ya get
what I mean :-)

> Just letting you know I don't think you are suppose to use it. You make
the
> final decison.

Well....I *am* making the call and have decided to use them. Afterall, the
WORST thing that can happen is the GET is forced to go in and remove the
logo, which they can EASILY do WITHOUT deleting an entire build or (even
worse) the ENTIRE TOWN.

Just my $.02 worth....Cheers for now :-)

Apr 24, 2003, 5:35am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I'll give it some thought. :-)

Right now it's almost next to LAST on my project list as I'm busy laying
down the walkway and other stuff to FINALLY finish off Embassy Park, which
is the crown jewel of the city's Embassy Park District where Embassy Avenue
is located (Yeti and I have been talking about it rather extensively in the
past :-)).

Ever since DfameD not only left town, but TOOK HIS PROPERTY WITH HIM (or
deleted it and never relocated it), I've been stuck fixing and straightening
roads I had to previously alter to accomondate him and his property (which
he NEVER finished I might add), so I'm using this as an opportunity to
finish building the Embassy Park District (or at least the street and the
park that is :-)).

Ahhh....Such as life in a big virtual city.... :-|

Cheers for now :-)

Apr 23, 2003, 1:04am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I have but ONE thing to ask Bowen. Have you EVER visited JunoDome? The
GK's there are NO DIFFERENT than the PK's on AlphaWorld. The PK's are
better screened because the PK's have MORE POWER & MORE RESPONSIBILITY!!!
That's all.

PC Hamster

Apr 24, 2003, 5:05am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] [snip...]

You can't move, modify or delete objects that don't belong to you (unless
they're labeled as <Tourist> ) anyway because of Building Inspector, so
what's the point in greying out the box in the first place??

Put it back the way it was...

Cheers for now & 73 :-)

Patrick Cook (e.g. PC Hamster)
Mayor - City of Hamsterville
pchamster at attbi.com
Denver, Colorado (my REAL city :-))

Apr 24, 2003, 5:09am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Again, I ask WHAT IS THE POINT??? You can't move or delete stuff which
belongs to another cit or NAC build in the first place.

Perhaps Building Inspector needs to be upgraded and made backwards
compatible??

Patrick

Apr 24, 2003, 5:16am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I agree. I mean if we were talking about AWGate or another world like....oh
say....Broadway World, not only can you not move, modify or delete stuff
there, but you also can't *build* unless you have special permission. Seems
kinda pointless to me. Building Inspector serves this purpose on AlphaWorld
well if ya ask me (and he's almost ALWAYS on his toes too as Wing kindly
pointed out).

Just my opinion....

Patrick Cook (e.g. PC Hamster)
Mayor - City of Hamsterville
pchamster at attbi.com
Denver, Colorado (my REAL city :-))

May 3, 2003, 1:36am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Believe it or not, one could CONCEIVABLY do it on a remote part of
AlphaWorld where you're MILES from ANY town (or road for that matter!) in
ANY direction. :-)

Just a thought :-)

Patrick

May 3, 2003, 1:07am

[View Quote] You forget one SMALL probelm Lady. This was all done BEFORE 3.4 was
released as an Open Beta. Things have changed since that time. AlphaWorld
is NO LONGER the "prize" world. This honor goes to AWGate (with maybe
AWTeen being a close second). Heck, this was all done even before the name
change from AWCorp to AWI if memory serves me right.

> well, maybe if i get to talk to ENZO himself about
it.................which
> is unlikely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He seems to be monitoring the newsgroups AT LEAST on a semi-regular basis
now. I see no reason as to why you should have a problem reaching him
NOW.... *scratching head*

> seems one need to register and to logon to giving a vote ?
> if so, a hint: if you allow open access to the voting page, you probably
> will get more votes.

Registering on AWNews (which IS BTW Goober's OWN SITE and has NO LEGAL
RELATIONSHIP with AWI) is really quite painless. All that's needed is a
username and an email address that you check regularly. Again, I fail to
understand your problem... *scratching head some more*

> I have been around here for a long time.. a year before I became a cit..
> makes it about 6 years.. was PK 3 yrs with Razzle etc.. you notice that
> without the Tourists.. doesn't seem to be much need for PKs..

You haven't paying too much attention to the discussion about the GK's, have
you???

> well ..... like I said its interesting *smiles* as far as the tourist
thing
> I think it would be great to have them back...

And to have them back WITHOUT A PRICE for World Owners. I know Hamsterville
will flourish once tourists see the town and realize that citizenship DOES
have its advantages. :-)

Plus, it'll make putting together a Convention & Visitors Bureau more
worthwhile too. :-)


> Owning 3 worlds and payin for them to enter two of my worlds its been a
little let down ...
> there is not that many tourist visiting either of my worlds that allow
them ..... Also
> being part of Tours world I've not seen many visit there either..


Speaking of tours, a BRILLIANT idea just hit me (I know...this could be a
scary thought coming from me), but has anyone in the community thought of
SPONSORING tours of the AW Universe before tourists were costly (if not
unaffordable altogether by MANY World Owners)?? If not, maybe this is
something the AW Community might wanna pursue should tourists be allowed
back on Non-AWI worlds and AlphaWorld (Uhh....ohh...Me gets the feeling he
just volunteered his services to the AW Community :-/ j/k :-)).

Just my $.02 worth....Cheers for now everyone :-)

Patrick Cook (e.g. PC Hamster)
Mayor - city of Hamsterville
pchamster at attbi.com
Denver, Colorado (my REAL city :-))

May 3, 2003, 1:07am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Looks as though the Validator needs to be updated to reflect the way web
pages and websites are made TODAY as opposed to back when IE and Netscape
were still in 3.x and EVERYTHING was in 16 bit.....

Just a thought... :-)

Patrick

May 3, 2003, 1:10am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Uhh Wayne (I know 77 personally), I hate to break it to you, but there's
really not an upgrade past Netscape 7.0 (thank god AOL has SOME mercy on our
souls :-) *knocking on wood*). *LOL!*

Patrick

May 3, 2003, 1:17am

Hi everyone:


[View Quote] Just curious Goober....If AWNews is YOUR OWN website, then HOW is it you DO
NOT have any control over the registration issue??

FWIW...I registered, but I'm curious...

Curiously Yours (and everyone else's too :-)),

Patrick

May 3, 2003, 1:31am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] It just goes to show how QUICKLY AlphaWorld was practically abandoned at the
Corporate level by the old AWCorp and was left that way when AWI took over
last year.... :-(

> Besides that I only see the community getting smaller and the amounts of
> worlds going down.... weird... Well I'll keep watching the moving
clouds
> we have nowadays, no-one left to talk to anyway...

If ya go about 30-35 miles (or roughly 5000 meters) to the North, you just
might catch ME building away in Hamsterville. :-)

BTW....Out of curiosity, here's a couple math questions to challenge the
mathmeticians amongst us (and to jog my now-half-mushrrom of a brain with).

1). How many meters are there in a mile?
2). To post a sign announcing mileage between two towns using an oddball
direction (such as NW), I assume I add up the total mileage in both
directions and divide by 2. Am I correct on this?

The reason I ask this is becuase I have a sign at the very southern tip of
Blankaborg and I would love VERY MUCH to convert the distance in meters to
distance in miles to keep it AT LEAST fairly consistent with the other signs
in the Blankaborg Metro area. :-)

Thanks a bunch in advance for the answers & Cheers for now :-)

Patrick Cook (e.g. PC Hamster)
pchamster at attbi.com
Denver, Colorado (my REAL city :-))

May 5, 2003, 2:31am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Nevertheless, I don't think it's much of a secret that AlphaWorld is HARDLY
AWI's "Pride & Joy" world today like it was just a couple years ago. Having
said that, I fail to see why AWI doesn't allow tourists onto AW (even
without building rights). Hopefully the results of this poll will force
them to revisit the issue as I think AWI will soon find out that allowing
tourists back onto AW, but WITHOUT building rights, isn't as bad of an idea
as they might think it is now.

Just my opinion.... :-)

Patrick Cook (e.g. PC Hamster)
Mayor - City of Hamsterville
pchamster at attbi.com
Denver, Colorado

May 2, 2003, 6:13pm

Hi everyone:

Been busy expanding the Riverside Expressway from Hamsterville all the way
down to SW City and got as far as 2914N 2780E (I know the highway looks like
it's running in circles in that area) when I came across this at 350 meters
below AW.....

http://musicradio102x.tripod.com/alphaworld2914n2780e.jpg

Can't tell what it is, but whatever it is, it won't allow me to go below 350
meters NOR can I add more road about 2 meters above the surface either.
Near as I cal tell, there's nothing ABOVE me preventing me from moving
further westward either (I've been up and down AW lioke a freakin' JUMPIN'
JACK deleting useless road for one reason or another all day today it's been
so bad :-( ).

Tried all three rendering options available to me. Get the same picture
each time. I can move from side to side and go up, but NOT down....

Am I just not looking hgh enough or have I stumbled across one of those
weird oddball unrenderable objects one only finds underground?? I hope it's
just my brain being the mushroom it is (couldn't sleep a wink last night -
too much caffeine before bedtime).

Note, my version of the AW Browser is 3.4 Beta (cache obviously NOT cleared)
and the view is with me looking level.

Thanks in advance for all the help figuring this stumer out for me & Cheers
for now :-)

Patrick Cook (e.g. PC Hamster)
Mayor - City of Hamsterville
pchamster at attbi.com
Denver, Colorado (my REAL city :-))

May 3, 2003, 12:13am

Hi everyone:
[View Quote] Same thing if you go UP 10 too. Before ya know it, you're like a 747 jet
liner on final approach to an airport (a FAST approaching one if ya use
CTRL+UP ARROW) if you're not using the BIRDIE (then too, I've had that
happen even with THAT avatar).

And NO Carl....I *DID NOT* know there was a "floor", so that is new however
as our beloved ENZO said, if I look around in the right places, I just might
find some virtual Aussies to mate with. :-)

Anyhow...Thanks guys....Looks like when I pick up that project again
(preferably when my batteries are FULLY CHARGED and my brain is NOT a
mushroom :-)), I'll try looking further up than I had been before.
Hopefully whatever's keeping me from adding more road isn't so far up I can
barely move. That would be nice given what I'm having to do JUST TO GET OUT
OF THE AREA. :-)

Thanks again gang & Cheers for now :-)

Patrick Cook (e.g. PC Hamster)
Mayor - City of Hamsterville
pchamster at attbi.com
Denver, Colorado (my REAL city :-))

May 5, 2003, 12:00am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] [snip....]

I'm curious Lady...

When you post something, WHY do you srtart a WHOLE NEW THREAD just to add
more to what you said in a previous post in a DIFFERENT thread???? I'm
referring to the "More Comments" and "Comments - More" threads. I've always
thought the etiquette of newsgroup posting was to keep posts relating to a
thread CONFINED to that particular thread and NOT use someone else's post
(such as swe's in the above case as he has yet to post in this thread I
might add) as a reason to start a NEW thread simply because the old one just
became to unbearable to read.

It'd be one thing IF you were to add a comment or two and then move on to
allow your post to cover something else completely different (such as I did
in my last post in the STUMPER ALERT thread which I started when I went on
to ask a couple math questions), but all I've seen from YOU is the same ol'
same ol' BLATHERINGS over and over again like a broken record. As it stands
now, you have (at least) THREE threads which basically cover THE SAME
THING!!!

Have you EVER thought of CONSOLIDATING your posts into ONE thread??? At
least mrbruce got the clue or he'd have had AT LEAST two more threads posted
by now. Perhaps you should follow his cue. You could learn a thing or two
from him.

Just a thought.... :-)

Curiously Yours,

Patrick Cook
Mayor - City of Hamsterville
pchamster at attbi.com
Demnver, Colorado (my REAL city :-))

May 5, 2003, 12:04am

Hi everyone:

AYE....

Patrick

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