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Apr 20, 2003, 1:37pm

Some applications for GK are not carried through the entire process until a
''yea'' or ''nay'' is concluded.

For someone that enjoys helping and serving others, there's no alternative
but to try to do their best without the proper training.

Apr 20, 2003, 1:54pm

In such a case they shouldent be given eject or PS then.

- Mark

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Apr 20, 2003, 5:15pm

[View Quote] The GK's should never be given eject. The PK's should be forced to patroll the world
since it's so popular and the entrence to the universe. PK's have a huge amount more
control than the GK's. The only reason anyone applies to be a GK is to eject people
at the gate. They'll say stuff like "oh I want to help out" but all they do is use
the spam macro and eject people they don't like or stuff they find annoying.

--Bowen--

Apr 20, 2003, 7:22pm

I understand what you are saying, but what does that have to do with being
fair to applicants regarding process for becoming or being denied joining
GK's?

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Apr 21, 2003, 6:42pm

To be quite blunt, blanket statements like that are rarely, if ever, true.
Perhaps there should be better training and screening of GK's though. There
are too many complaints and every single one of them can't be false.

Chris

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Apr 21, 2003, 6:56pm

[View Quote] When dealing with the GK's, there's no false blanket statements.

--Bowen--

Apr 21, 2003, 7:49pm

Bowen--

Understandably you're correct about SOME of the people who want to be a GK
or a PK--they want to go on a power trip!

However, I resent the insinuation that ALL GK's or PK's are there just for
the power. If I wanted to go on a power trip, I could very easily do so in
my own world. I AM one of those who became a GK to actually help my fellow
members and tourists. I do not make ejections at the AWGate or in my own
world easily or often.

Regards,
Lady Barbara of Amberlin
aka Barbara Eisner


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Apr 21, 2003, 8:08pm

There's another one. Come on, Bowen. Not all GK's are bad. Some are
pretty good. It just seems that their screening procedures are getting a
little lax. Throwing words at the problem won't help. Getting the GK
leaders to control their volunteers will.

QuikWord should also be used a little less. Personalization brings people
in. :)

Chris

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Apr 21, 2003, 8:24pm

We didn't say all are, we meant some people are power trippers.

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Apr 22, 2003, 12:21am

[View Quote] I know there's another one, I've yet to meet a GK that doesn't do any of what I've
stated -- and it seems I'm not the only one. You say it as though it's progression
towards being lax. It's been this way for a long time now.

> QuikWord should also be used a little less. Personalization brings people
> in. :)

Duh.

--Bowen--

Apr 22, 2003, 12:50am

Hey, don't get sarcastic with me... Being antagonistic definitely won't
solve anything. You're arguing semantics, and we are both essentially
saying the same thing needs to be done.

Chris

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Apr 22, 2003, 1:38am

[View Quote] There was no sarcasm invovled. I completely meant my duh.

--Bowen--

Apr 22, 2003, 4:06am

I agree with Bowen......PK's SHOULD be the only ones allowed to handle
disputes in that world.....they used to be able to, until AWGate made
another bad decision by taking their rights away.....some GK's even complain
to the PK's when they are having problems with someone....I'm in training
for PK....I say that if they can't allow us to use our rights to do our jobs
in that world......sorry...too bad for them.

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Apr 22, 2003, 5:14pm

Ok I have read many of the replies here and as Lady said her question
had nothing to do with how GK's or PKs do their jobs, she was only asking
about the procedure for applicants. I would like to say that GK's are not
responsible for who is accepted or not, that is up to the higher powers that
be. As for attacking GK's or PK's I must say I am surprised at a few of you
who replied with negative remarks.
First off the use of Quickword is a tool, to help aide the GK on duty
when a newcomer arrives, with so many people coming in daily it would be
ludicrous to continually type the same things over and over again and would
be hard to help everyone . If you have never had PS rights then you have no
clue about the fact that you see everyone and you are constantly under fire
with questions, both from newbies and old-timers. I have seen every name who
posted here come to gate and ask a GK some form of question. If you are not
happy with what you call "GK Spamming" then don't make gate your visiting
spot....It's not like your not all citizens and can't go somewhere else.
"YOU CAN" so if you find yourself unhappy somewhere then go, but to post
that GK's are not needed or are a Virtual pain in your backside is just
crazy. I have been in the GK program for almost 4 years and yes I have seen
some GK's who should not have been accepted but again at that time they were
given the chance just like everyone else. Now you all complain, so the
selection process has been changed to be sure that who is accepted will make
a good GK....NOT a POWER HUNGRY EJECTOR. (Give it time)
I am very disappointed in the way that this attack has come about, I am
friends with many people and all of them know that I have never been a power
hungry ejector, hell I hate the paper work. I and most GK's work very hard
to keep Gateway a fun place for everyone, but above making it fun we are
there to teach newbies. So I will not apologize for any GK spamming, we were
picked by AWI to volunteer and teach newbies, not hold your hand and listen
to your everyday complaints. I will tell you now that the ones who
constantly complain about GKs and ejections are those who will not uphold
the G rating in gate. Listen up folks "we did not make the rules" We just
uphold them!!! If you have forgotten them I say read them again!!!!
As for PK's, well we work with them just as we do with any AWI
volunteer, but they have their duties and we have ours. If anyone knows of a
GK going to a PK for a problem that's because we are citizens just as you
are and any problems outside of gate are handled by the PK's.

My suggestion here is "Think about what your saying and your reasons, and if
you fill you have a real complaint on a GK then take it to the complaint
dept. Do not air gossip or things you are not completely sure of, you cannot
hold an entire group responsible for the actions of a few.
gatekeepers at activeworlds.com <<--for GK complaints or Compliments.

Sincerely but disappointed,
TL-TrueToMe2
AwGatekeepers

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Apr 23, 2003, 1:04am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] I have but ONE thing to ask Bowen. Have you EVER visited JunoDome? The
GK's there are NO DIFFERENT than the PK's on AlphaWorld. The PK's are
better screened because the PK's have MORE POWER & MORE RESPONSIBILITY!!!
That's all.

PC Hamster

Apr 23, 2003, 1:48am

I never said that I have heard of GK's going for PK assistance outside of
the gate....I'm saying that I have heard of GK's going for PK assistance
"within" the AWGate. All I'm saying is that how are they supposed to do
anything about it.....when its IN the gate? I'm not making an unreasonable
or intentionally rude statement here but.....perhaps a lot of these people
are right about somethings True....I for one am not intending to be rude
about things here....but perhaps some things DO need to change a bit.....and
I know that that isn't your call and it's not your fault....but this is a
discussion group. Complaints and topics arise that all of us may not agree
with....but we deal with them. That's why its called a newsgroup. ;)
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Apr 23, 2003, 1:49am

[View Quote] The PK group does not clump the commonly accepted replacement for swear words such as
"crap" into the same category as "shit". They've taken the guidelines and extended
them to what they see fit, not what is actually encompassed. It says refrain from
using words that people may find offensive, it doesn't say you're not allowed to.
And I can tell you, without a doubt, that the only group of people who find crap
offensive, are people over the age of 60.

--Bowen--

Apr 23, 2003, 2:00am

Let us pray that you will represent yourself with the utmost dignity
deserving of the station. I'm sure you are a fine candidate. Good luck
with your training.

Chris

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Apr 23, 2003, 2:51am

Thanks SW. I'm going to try my best. ;)
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Apr 23, 2003, 1:57pm

There are quite a few PKs are there not? I am just wondering why the GKs
are not simply picked from the best of the PKs to specifically work in
AWGate since it does seem to be much more populated than any other AWI World
besides AW, which is often empty at ground zero.

The PKs just seem like they aren't serving their purpose which is to patrol
the AWI worlds, which (if I'm not mistaken) would inclue AWGate. I don't
mean to rat on the GKs at all, infact I've never noticed an issue with them,
but I think it would just be in the best interest if the PKs and GKs were
merged into one. I think the GKs would be a much better sub-category of PKs
rather than a seperate group altogether.

-Dion

Apr 23, 2003, 8:50pm

The PKs would probably be alright in the gate as long as they don't go
around with the PK cit enabled..that's kinda impersonal and not a way to
greet people imo ;)

Ryan

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