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Feb 20, 2002, 9:48pm

Then why don't they give you an unlimited sized world but with a limit to
the number of objects you could create?
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Feb 21, 2002, 12:12pm

If you had the money you'd whipe those buildings out and replace then with
buildings worth looking at :-P
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Feb 20, 2002, 11:19pm

mine dont look like crap compared to what i can do now... I think I got
worse... LOL :-)

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Feb 21, 2002, 2:01pm

Probably a one-time thing and won't happen again. Besides, if the bot is in
the world for just half a second, what could it possibly do to you? Does it
make you feel unsafe abourt your privacy? Even so, why would AWCom care
about what you're talking about?
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Feb 21, 2002, 11:03pm

By MrGrimm:

"The bot only enters public worlds. It only looks at the world name (world
list), title (world attrib), and keywords (world attrib), nothing else.
These values are used for the world search page in AW3.3."

Hello? He said it only enters public worlds! If your world is public, you
must not be worried about people entering it and since the bot is doing no
harm and is only in for a split second to take information, why are you
wining? If you don't want the bot to come in, make your world private.

Using that same analogy, if you have a party open to everyone in your room,
you cannot just tell the landlord that he/she is not allowed to come.
Especially since he/she takes one step in, looks around, and leaves. What
would you be worried about then?
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Feb 22, 2002, 12:24am

Why do you not allow bots in? Because they can cause trouble, right? Well,
this bot comes in for a split second and noone even notices! He probably
comes up at -200m so noone can see him anyway. He doesn't talk, he doesn't
build, he doesn't log your chat. All it does is read the information from
the world stats in certain boxes so as to setup the search correctly.

Would you object if they did it without using a bot? Well, using the bot is
the exact same thing because you do not notice it at all, noone does.

I don't understand, what do you not like about this?
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Feb 22, 2002, 1:01am

LOL, that would be such idiocy. Do you think the bot is invading on your
privacy? Do you think it's logging your chat? I don't get it, where's the
problem?
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Feb 22, 2002, 1:40am

I know what's going on. Jeesh. Is it a crime to ask why you don't want it?
You still didn't answer that. Now that You know what the bot does, why would
you not want it to do that? It gets you more visitors and if you do not want
it, then I'm sure you can make those spaces in your world settings a blank
space of nothing. That would not allow people to find your world through a
search, although the bot would still come and check periodically.
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Feb 22, 2002, 2:01pm

LOL, the principle is a pretty stupid thing to debate about.
*roll eyes* Now AWCom has to ask permission to update their own program? LOL
:)
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Feb 24, 2002, 8:52pm

It's not a backdoor at all, any CT can see the world features dialog
information.
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Feb 25, 2002, 12:36am

ActiveWorlds is made in such a way that universe caretakers are caretakers
of all the worlds within it. What that Citizen does with those worlds is
perfectly OK as long as it does not go against the TOS that was agreed to by
the owner of the world when it has been built.

Feb 25, 2002, 5:30pm

Too late, you already signed the contract that never stated anything about
requiring consent for such a thing.
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Feb 25, 2002, 6:05pm

Hey, I explained this before. Citizen 1 is the owner of the ActiveWorlds
Universe. In all Universes, the caretaker of the universe may enter any
world, private or not, allowing bots or not. He has full control of
everything. You did agree to a TOS when you bought the world. That TOS is
the 'contract' in this analogy.

The caretaker of the world and universe can over-ride all the permissions,
including bots and enter privelages. Citizen 1 is AWLD, which is a universe
caretaker and may enter and over-ride any and all privelages that you
cancel. It is not a backdoor! Are you clear about this? This is not a
secretive thing? A backdoor is if they had added a thing on your computer
that opened a port allowing them to connect directly to your computer and
take information off of it that did not have anything to do with your
ActiveWorlds World! This information in your rights and privelages and
features is not private. It is sent out to every person that enters your
world.

If you consider that a backdoor, to grab information that is sent to them...
then you are a nutcase.
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Feb 25, 2002, 6:06pm

You wouldn't live a day in court with a 'principle of the thing'.

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Feb 25, 2002, 6:15pm

Listen, the information that the bot is getting is coming from your world.
Your world server sends that information to the browser of every person who
enters. That's like me giving you a car and then calling you a theif!
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Feb 25, 2002, 6:31pm

LOL, maybe they wanted to surprise us a bit with the new features, that is
why they haven't told us them all iether. Maybe there will be a feature that
allows you to not be indexed. Infact, you can delete those entries in your
world features and you won't be indexed, although the bot will check your
world features periodically.

When the world server starts, the information showing that the world is up
and if it's public or private and how many users it has is transmitted to
the universe server so that they may index all worlds in the world list. Are
you going to complain about this too?

If there was no TOS, then there is nothing that says they cannot do this and
nothing saying that they can. Therefore they can do whatever is within the
law.

I suppose you could consider that little "feature" a backdoor, but it is in
no way harming you or your world and does not retrieve any information
unnecessary for it's uses therefore is perfectly legal.

Microsoft recently upgraded Windows media player. A special thing on the
media player sent information of what music you were playing to the
microsoft website. They did not tell anyone of this "feature" and it was not
apparent that it was sending the information. After someone found out about
this, they made a pettition and Microsoft added a thing in the help
documentation showing how to remove this if you would like to, although it
is still default.

You don't know what will come of 3.3, maybe they will give you the option of
disallowing it, but even when they don't, it's legal. If you download a
program and run it on your machine, it's up to you to decide if it's safe.
Now that you do know of this, will you be closing your worlds? Probably not.

Sure, I suppose the principle is in question, but there certainly is no
logical reason to be angry of this as it causes no harm.
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Feb 25, 2002, 7:57pm

You cannot disable AWLD! Ok, here's the heap of facts.

Right now, you understand how ActiveWorlds works. AWLD is caretaker of the
universe and may enter your world whenever it likes, regardless of your
privelages that you set. A bot uses this privelage password to get into
worlds so that it may index them into a listing. This same information could
be gotten in another way. The world server could send this information to
the universe server when it is started without using a bot. But then it
would only update everytime the world was restarted. That would be very
inconvenient for lots of people, especially for worlds that are always
populated. So, they have decided to use a bot to do this. You are unsure of
the options that will come with this bot yet you are already arguing against
it. You first said that you were only debating the principle, now you say
you are debating your privacy.

If you know of this 'backdoor' and know how to stop it from allowing this
'privacy invasion' than AWCom certainly cannot be held accountable for using
the 'backdoor' you have left for them.

You say that information will be sent without your knowledge, yet you are
telling me that there is a "backdoor" and it will be used for certain
things. Surely, then, it is with your knowledge. So you don't mind if your
world is listed in the world index that is available right now... does that
mean other people don't mind? If someone was against their world being
indexed as they are now, would you support them because it invades your
privacy? It is a "backdoor" in your definition. It sends your information to
the universe server.

How you like to go through worlds is not in question. You can still "world
hop", but soon you may search for worlds as well. That option may be more
popular with other people than you, but what you want as an individual is of
no importance to AWCom.

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Feb 25, 2002, 9:52pm

LOL, hey! I can scream as much as I like! :-P It's just a debate. ;-)
Besides, im done already, heh.
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Feb 22, 2002, 2:03pm

My brother told me that a gatekeeper told him it was going to cost $30 to be
updated to 3.3's features. That definately doesn't sound right, afterall,
they're already raising the annual prices.
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Feb 22, 2002, 7:38pm

Have you seen any? I sure haven't! Do you think they need some? Yeh! What is
their other biggg problem? They're losing users because the cost is too
high. Now... how do you combine these problems into one solution...

I think AWCom should allow users to put banners on their websites, links in
their forum signatures, and links in their e-mail signatures. It would be
setup so that people who click that and download ActiveWorlds just as a
tourist, count off about $1.00 from the annual fee of the person who had
reffered that person to ActiveWorlds.

If that person buys a citizenship, then the cost could be maybe $4 or $5 off
the annual fee of the referrer. This would get people to stay with AW
because if they were devoted enough to get enough people to ActiveWorlds,
they could afford the cost that came out of their pockets. For those who did
a lot online such as e-mailiing and forums and such, it wouldn't be nearly
as hard. You could just put the link in your signatures and let the money
roll in and for some people, they may not even have to pay one cent for the
year.

I don't know if AWCom actually watches these boards, but I sure hope they
see this because I think this would bennefit both parties a lot!

Feb 24, 2002, 7:44pm

Well I see you are treating this with much maturity, wining about it,
expecting us to obey your every wish.

Unfortunately, a topic about this won't help things, it will just promote
them.
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Feb 25, 2002, 6:38pm

Someone has managed to hex edit the ActiveWorlds client and since your world
server is not setup to disallow tourists, he may enter. When the world
server for 3.3 comes out, it will most likely have something on it to
prevent this. Of course, someone will find a way to hex that as well :-)
hehe.
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Feb 25, 2002, 6:41pm

I just tested this theory and it doesn't seem to work. When you switch to
tourist mode it automatically forces you to leave and return to the world at
the spot where you had been originally.
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Feb 25, 2002, 7:35pm

Ok, works now ;-) thanks.
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Feb 25, 2002, 10:38pm

Yup, the AW client is set to disallow tourists on entry but doesn't check
when someone changes to a tourist. That will probably be changed in 3.3.
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Feb 25, 2002, 10:56pm

Well, the client is what doesn't allow you into other worlds when you're a
tourist :-)
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Feb 25, 2002, 11:59pm

yep, it didn't work in AW or AWTeen, i think this is because AW and AWTeen
are running newer world servers that are compatible with 3.3
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Feb 25, 2002, 11:52pm

In real life, you can do anything that is physically possible. Many of those
things have severe consequences but you can do them nonetheless. On the
internet, it's much the same. You can do whatever that is possible by the
means of the software, but people can put consequences on them. If you are
using a restricted avatar and they don't like that and you refuse to get
off, they can eject you for a few minutes and if you do it again, they can
eject again, or eject for a longer period of time. They are the boss of it.
It's not law, it's a rule that they can enforce whenever they like.

Unfortunately, some people don't think of the internet as real-life. They
don't think of the other people on the internet as actual people, so they
think that there's no feelings when they yell at them. For some people, they
have no feeling from that because they have the same outlook. But others,
like me, have been on the internet for a long time and have become attached
to it. The severe anger that seems to be portrayed by others is usually just
a nutcase at his computer laughing at your reactions because he cannot see
the hurt on your face. It's human instinct for people to know when others
are hurt by the emotion on their face, so when that emotion is not there,
some people seem to think that there is no emotion.

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Mar 3, 2002, 4:21pm

You nutcase. If you're going to stay on the NGs then why would you cancel
your cit? Does that make any sense? You act as if you want to stay. I mean,
you are posting and enjoying yourself. If you weren't, you wouldn't be here,
right? So then why would you cancel your citizenship?

If you don't want anything to do with AW, then why are you still watching
these NGs? If you're going to leave then freaking go! Don't sit there in the
middle saying your leaving but then keep hanging around.

It's like a shit that ya can't scrape off the wall. The odor lingers on!
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Mar 3, 2002, 4:56pm

I did read it!

Why would you continue to post until your cit is cancelled? Is there really
a point? If you don't care about AW anymore then don't come, simple. You no
longer come on AW so your importance to anything in these newsgroups is
absolutely nothing.
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