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Mar 3, 2002, 11:01am

Very sorry to disappoint you all and have to return to the newsgroup so
soon. Furhter evidence has arisen of Leo Mauk's bs and i felt i just had
to share this with you. To save being accussed of pointless over sized
quoting and cutting/pasting i will explain briefly.

Your hero, Leo, emailed me claiming he was pulling the same tricks as I in
the early 70's. To which i responded, no i dont think you were, unless he
was in the military, as at that time the "internet", known as DARPA at that
time, was still a military only project. I also suggested he learnt his
history before continuing to bs.

In response, your hero Leo claimed he was using telnet and lynx on the
"Mertit" network that connected universities at that time. Again false,
as i point out in my repose to him. The internet wasnt used in
universities as a form of communication until the 80's. I have no
knowledge of the "Merit" network and dont have time to do any research on
it, so am unable to comment. However, telnet and lynx in the early 70's ?
Again, bs, The Lynx project was developed originally in DOS, possibly in the
late 80's(at which time, with the use of some software such as TomCat, DOS
couldnt implement a tcp/ip stack anyway let alone connect to the internet)
But, the point being here, Lynx wasnt actually around til 1994(please see
link below to support : http://www.trill-home.com/lynx.html )

Now his claim of telnet in the 70's ? Again, more bs, as i told him in my
reponse. How he could have been using a product who's protocol wasnt even
defined, by Postel, until the early 80's i have no idea. This link will
support this
http://edt.uow.edu.au/elec195/group-projects-2k/group10/hostory.htm

These are just some of the false claims your hero has been making in
personal emails to myself.

I dont mind any one who want to talk bs, and try and pretend they are
something they are not. BUT, surely once they know they are going to put
straight, (and publicly exposed when they try and publicy ridicule with no
support or evidence) its time to think, "do i really want to continue this
?"

Leo, i have proved, over and over again, you talking out of your backside.
Dont bother emailing me again, i am not interested in anything you have to
prove. I think you have already proved all i need to know. I'm not going
to repeat what you have proved, its there for all to see in the thread you
started.

Also as i said in my email Leo, i am glad you are building a library of my
stuff, i hope it comes in handy to you in your next attack on some one who
you think will "ph33r ju". Even better, i would be even happier if you
learnt something from it, be it that you are not what you think you are, or
just a little history for that matter :)

sorry to have to return to point these things out, if any one should happen
to be interested in the rest of the bs he has been talking or would like a
copy of the emails he sent along with reponses, please dont hesitate to
request a copy by personal email. I wouldnt wanna to upset any one elses
apple cart by posting them in here ;)

any way back to the project ........

kris[SunOfSolaris]

Mar 3, 2002, 12:42pm

one further point, i apologise to all of those who whined at me for not
getting it all in in one mail.

i am sure that Leo claimed to have been completely "self taught" and was in
fact quite proud of the 'fact'. So Leo, when was it that you were in
university, that you would have been using the "Merit" network any way ?
Or is it that you prefer to forget about going to university and FAILING ?
Is this what this is all about ? You are sore because i didnt ? Dood,
you have one huge chip on your shoulder.

or another possibility, perhaps Leo is something hardcore. Perhaps he used
to HACK the "Merit" network and DARPA for his access in the "early 70's".
Wouldnt that make him just a little hypocritical in accusing me of hacking
because of a demonstration of a bot that port scanned ?

enough said

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 2:15pm

ok Chris i have asked you privately in email to stop this....several times.
i will be back in quiet mode for now....all emails to my account will be
forwarded to abuse.net thanyou very little.




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Mar 3, 2002, 2:20pm

forward what you like Bud, you cant be penalised for truths(which are
supported)

and further to that Bud, i am quite happy to keep our conversation here in
public if you wish. Your peers didnt seem to happy about it tho. I dont
think you are either to be honest. But have it your own way.

The sooner you admit to your peers that you have been chattin it from the
start, and that your unsupported claims are all fakes and bs, or support
them with some evidence, then the sooner we can stop this idiocy.

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 2:28pm

Leo if you want me to stop emailing me then why continue to mail me :-
"----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo Mauk" <lmauk at traverse.net>
To: "Sun of Solaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: AND THEN THERE WAS SILENCE


> and what am I honey a hacker or a BS'er? can't make up your mind huh
> but you KNOW it's one of those huh? lol your sad son very warped mind
> on your head.... go smoke some more crack to help you mellow ok?
"

and just so that i dont mail you, as you requested, i will respond here.

I already know which you are. Being as all your Telnet/Lynx claims have
been proven, with supporting evidence, to be total bs. So yes i would most
definately with out a doubt imply from this you are the latter, a BS'er.
As i have been claiming and proving all along.

If any one else would like to see the rest of the emails and responses to
and from Leo, please feel free to email me and request a copy. At worst
they are worth a giggle, at best they will serve to prove the nature of this
whole waste of time thread over a waste of time situation, that Leo here has
decided to try and turn to some advantage.

*yawn*

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 2:44pm

easy cause your still pushing my buttons ....and i hardly think a 10 to 1
email ratio is worth you mentioning hon.
why you doing this really? wish i knoew what i said to get you turned
on like this...lol could be a handy catchphrase sometime...tho a bit
dangerous as i am seeing...lol

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Mar 3, 2002, 2:46pm

oh and BTW what the hell does this mean? "ph33r ju". ? sheeesh
use english ok? (bait)


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Mar 3, 2002, 2:51pm

H3 us3d l33t h4x0r sp34k j0! Ph34r t3h h4x0r! (ph33r ju = fear you) I
guess :)


-Joe

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Mar 3, 2002, 2:53pm

this neds to be said also....right from the beginning i told you that i do
not hide on the net i have everything about me out in the open hell
remember in the beginning of this when you thought you were trying to scare
me with posting to me my own street address and phone number....like some
psycho threat or something.....the address right were i live imagine
that,..... i post that info on the web....why? cause i have nothing to
hide and need nothing to hide behind....... all these things about me that
you are "exposing" hehehe are all public knowledge anyhow.....i never said
i was a "god" as you have labeled me.....i
m just a regular joe that happens to work in the PC field......maybe the
self taught thing is what got you mad not sure..... please put out in the
open the reason you are attacking me and will not give up? inquiring minds
wanna know......?

Mar 3, 2002, 2:58pm

i see your maths is not to hot either Bud, the ratio is currently 17:12 to
me, not even 2:1 Leo.

i am doing this Leo, to expose the likes of you. Your bubble is burts,
accept it, get over it, move on.

still only sarcasms Leo ? still no support of any of your claims ?

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 3:01pm

"use english ok ?" - didnt i ask you to do that many many posts ago ? You
are hardly what i would describe as eloquent in the use of your seemingly
dwindled vocabulary.

Why dont you tell us what the quote means ? You are by far more qualified
then i being the big bad haxx0r you are.

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 3:01pm

L|\/| at 0 J03M at |\|

cheers

Sun



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Mar 3, 2002, 3:04pm

Remember why i posted your name and address to you Bud ?
Well, it was when you were making a number of claims that you were going to
have me removed from my isp, and i asked you who my isp was, you know just
to back up your claim yada yada yada
Then i asked you who you were trying to scare and not to go shouting about
things you couldnt do. Yes i did post your name and address to you just to
show you that i CAN do the things you CLAIM you can.

again Bud, put up or shut up, show us some evidence of what you CLAIM you
can do.

cheers

Sun

p.s. there is a definate trend forming here, Bud insults/slurs me, and i
defend myself on what he has says, and instantly feels the urge to try n
darken my name again. Hmmmm suspiciously like he doesnt want me here full
stop. Wonder why that is Bud ? constant reminder/threat of some one
showing the AW world what you really are ?

Mar 3, 2002, 3:07pm

i made no claims to you just try to reason with you to end this
crap...it's really tiring.
please stop. go hack someone elses playground ok?

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Mar 3, 2002, 3:12pm

only thing that works with you is to shut up so i am...oh BTW that was
real sharp of you to figure out you could cut and paste my address from my
resume page heheheheh lol remember it's all public info...wow your such a
clever lad...;)
ok i do have a claim.....i claim you are off your rocker....please read
above for my proof....:)
LOL hehehe



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Mar 3, 2002, 3:17pm

i would draw ppl's attention's to the initial posts in BinaryBud's thread on
this matter, please see the posted telegrams that were posted between
BinaryBud and myself :)

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 3:21pm

Just updated your page then Bud ?
if you remember it wasnt there when i visited it, *yawn* a sad childish
thing to do
Still trying to figure out how i got it, right ? It really isnt n e thing
clever, and i am sure 50% of the people who are in this newgroup know
EXACLTY how i did. I'm VERY surprised you dont, after all the claims you
have made.

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 3:24pm

ahem i thought u were leaving?



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Mar 3, 2002, 3:25pm

those were PRIVATE conversations never meant for the public. if i lied to
anyone at anytime it was YOU.... cause you needed it at the time i got
what i wanted for you at the time(what you were doing in your world, your
home page...ect.) and exposed what you were up to....plain and
simple.... you got mad at me for exposing you....sorry it hurt you so
much.....oh when is your beta gonna be ready? lol love to see this
one....:)


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Mar 3, 2002, 3:27pm

Leo please stop emailing me, you asked me not to mail you and i have stopped
:-

"From: "Leo Mauk" <lmauk at traverse.net>
To: "sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com>
References: <3c817cb8$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com>
<3c823aed at server1.Activeworlds.com> <3c82546f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com>
<3c825a4b at server1.Activeworlds.com>

"But the only people i have a problem
with are the ppl who are sitting in this newsgroup slurring and judging,
with absolutley NO evidence"

gosh i was thinking the exact same thing and wondering HOW to get rid if
people like this?
"

yes Leo, i am assuming you are trying to target me again, even tho the
description doesnt fit. The only thing i am judging you to be is what i
have said many times now. But who could blame me, you cause all this
trouble and still WONT/CANT support a word you have said ?

Yes, Leo, i know you are trying to get rid of me, i have said that MANY
times now to.

soon as you are ready to stop your petty trouble making, let me know Leo,
via the newsgroup please :)

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 3:32pm

lol check the source date on that page before inserting foot....;)
and so you looked up who owns leomauk.com what a genius> Just updated your
page then Bud ?
and wen you post lies like this and expect everyone to believe them post
your proof from now on cause quite simpley you have been BS'ing everyone
here all alnog with your claims, and attacks on me... now i post to you to
offer proof of your talents....not just your mouth show what your hands
can do....we all know your mouth is in good shape...lol




> if you remember it wasnt there when i visited it, *yawn* a sad childish
> thing to do
> Still trying to figure out how i got it, right ? It really isnt n e
thing
> clever, and i am sure 50% of the people who are in this newgroup know
> EXACLTY how i did. I'm VERY surprised you dont, after all the claims you
> have made.
>
> cheers
>
> Sun
>
>

Mar 3, 2002, 3:34pm

it's something i keep forgetting about i have nothing to prove..... i've
been there and done that..... Chris you need to show what your all
about.....and port scanning does not qualify....that is lame PC 101
shit..... go for it it's your floor now....;)


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Mar 3, 2002, 3:34pm

so you now admit you LIED Leo ? thank you, care to share with us what
exactly it was that you LIED about ?

yes they were private conversations but hilite the issue so well, god forbid
what your reputation would be if i posted the rest of the emails that you
have been sending my way.

Exposing me ? lol using my words now Leo ? Exposing me, you have not, you
made accussations of me being something i am not due to some actions that
you have tried to tie up with mistermeanour. I have many times now
justified the intentions of my actions, one a bit of fooling around with a
world, which i might also add i have told the group, was taken as exactly
that and there being absolutly NO REASON WHAT SO EVER for you to even have
telegrammed me in the place. Secondly the port scan experimental bot was
shown to you as a demonstration of your bots not being so ahead of there
time and doing EVERYTHING that any one else's did. So expose me for what
you suppose and alledge i am , you have not.

i'm not hurt Leo, none, if i was do you think i would bother continuing ? i
am very surprised you are.

cheers

Sun

p.s. please do share with us what you have been lieing about and what i
NEEDED from your lies ? Thanks for the chuckle all the same tho :)

Mar 3, 2002, 3:35pm

i did

do you see me in your AW browser ?

:)

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 3:39pm

whouldnt know. i dont have u on me contact list. but whouldnt it be better
if u leave the NGs too? i mean u whouldnt be able to post if u didnt have a
cit. and u did say that u canceled ur cit....


yvan eht nioj


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Mar 3, 2002, 3:40pm

so you keep CLAIMING Bud

and please dont ferget your post from a few mins ago where you HAVE ADMITTED
TO LIEING :) as i knew and i am sure a number of others knew all along

as for source dates ? LMFAO you joker, what does that prove ? Want me to
support that thats not exactly difficult to change PC101 joker. I
surprised you didnt know being as you work with server side technologies, i
would have thought you know that that source date is only a line in an html
file. BTW still no proof of that claim of employment either, except a site
and some CLAIM that thats where you work.

jesus man you are way beyond a joke now.

cheers

Sun

p.s. LMAO, "i was doing that in the 70's"

Mar 3, 2002, 3:43pm

You didn't have to go in his world. Port scanning isn't a harmful activity,
although it's associated with hacking it doesn't always mean that the person
is going to hack you.

-Silenced

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Mar 3, 2002, 3:47pm

no, as *i said*, i have *requested* it be cancelled, meanwhile until such
time as it is i shall continue :)

thanks all the same

cheers

Sun

Mar 3, 2002, 3:48pm

and all thes posts by you claiming to know something "enlightening" about
me...are all drempt up by you with no proof to back them up....much like i
can say that your mother is a tramp and wears army boots and you cannot
prove she is not and does not..... so it must be...heheheh get real.....
go ahead and post those long detail ridded posts spewing your thoughts.....
by now most people here can see through you.... i guess i donot mind
exposing myself as long as i have......if it helps rid this community of
people like you..... and no i'm not some self proclaimed sherrif of AW.....
i'm usually a lurker i watch....and learn..... love to help at the
gate........ i yak with buds and i program on my bots and world for fun....
but when i see someone like you giving a bad name to the net and attacking
people..... well i cannot sit idly by and watch you have free rein on all
the innocent people here at their expense.... grandma's and teenagers alike
come here to have fun and learn...... go harrass people on IRC they are
more of a challange for ya...:). ya know about the port scanning thing
heres my take on that.....lets say you were a nice guy just playong around
with your new C++ compiler and the SDK.... and you did this little port
scanner thing with your bot..... your a good guy(cough).....i come to your
world and visit and say something to your bot..... out spews all my open
ports right in public......funny i';m an old grandma and have lots of open
ports on my new PC...... no big deal right....well not to me....but the guy
standing next to me just did a screen cap of them and teleported back to his
world to proccess the info...zip-zam-zowie-swoosh.....he has 5 exploits for
my IP that he can start hammering on old grandma with..... sheeeesh port
scanning is hacking no matter how you look at it.... there is no reson for
anyone to kow about anyones open ports....so drop your crap and get the heck
outta dodge you were caught......live with it.




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Mar 3, 2002, 3:50pm

kewl took me a while to catch up with ya hehehehe :) thanx



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