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Feb 9, 2001, 4:10am

[View Quote] Incorrect AGAIN. You have *no* idea what you are talking about - this issue
has been discussed in the office, *with* my superiors, and with full
permission to try and remedy the situation - it was decided to give the
*users* a chance to show that they themselves can make a decision - this has
failed.

Do *not* speak on that, which you have no idea Eep, it does not become you.

F.

>
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Feb 9, 2001, 4:17am

I don't think I ever said you weren't trying to do what you thought was the
right thing. I did say, I didn't agree with what you're doing. In principle,
your posting in here as an employee of AWCI and trying to help/explain and
enlighten has been a wonderful breath of fresh air. Just like Roland &
Hamfon being so willing to help and talk to the community. It's something
these NG's have needed for a long time.

On the other hand, I'm very sorry to say that this seemed to have come about
because of a problem between you and Eep personally, not because of a
community problem. You and I know very well that in the past Eep has been a
lot more extreme than he is now. I could go back through all those threads
in that post about the NG server being shut down and give you several
examples of Eep just wanting to know why. He wanted details. At one point,
he was even pretty decent for him in requesting that. No, he's not always
very tactful how he asks, never has been, never will be. Yes, it then got
out of control. I only wish Facter that I had written to you personally
after 3-4 threads in the hopes of stopping it back then. I could see the
writing on the wall from the start and I now feel bad as a long time citizen
that I didn't do something sooner or at least try to.

I can only apologize to the AW community for not replying to all this sooner
and feeling that I have to at least try to step in to pull us back together.
You've split it up, although I'm sure that wasn't your intent, this is
exactly what's happened. Please put a stop to this ASAP.
Respectfully,
Casay
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Feb 9, 2001, 4:38am

[View Quote] > asskisser. Let the "community" regulate itself. AWCI tried moderation before
> and it didn't work. Perhaps if you knew your AW newsgroup history better
> you'd've realized that before ever thinking about attempting to ban me. You
> made a mistake and are now simply trying to brush it off (something you seem
> to be getting better at) onto the newsgroup posters, when most, if not all,
> don't give a shit whether I stay or go, or your little power trip and low
> self-esteem.
>
> My AW newgroup history ? I was posting in here, ona very frequent basis,
> before you had even HEARD of AW Eep.

Very good. Yet you forget about how oppressive these newsgroups USED to be and what happened to the newsgroups when they were: they went silent. So unless you'd like them to return to that dismal state, keep up your ridiculous and childish vote.

> Incorrect - YOU made the mistake Eep - you, and you only. This situation
> would *not* exist if you were any kind of rational, tolerable and decent
> person, with respect for tohers. How easily you twist things around to your
> own wants.

<chuckle> Ah, yes, now it's all MY fault. Boo hoo. I'm SUCH a horrible person. I rip heads off Barbie dolls and steal candy from babies at EVERY chance I get. Muhuhhahahaha. Get out much, Facter? I'm quite tame compared to MOST people.

It was YOUR bad decision to hold a vote about getting me banned. If you had a high enough self-esteem to not have to abuse your newly acquired "power" over the newsgroups, you would not be in this situation. But, alas, you need to mature some more yet and finish withdrawing from all those drugs you used to do.

> One can only try - I tried and failed - too bad.

Don't try so hard, champ. Direct your attention to your bosses, Rick and JP, and leave us citizens alone--we can regulate ourselves JUST fine, thank you.

Feb 9, 2001, 4:47am

<chuckle> Obviously, if true, Rick and JP are just as inept at making a d=
ecision as you are, Factwit. What doesn't become YOU is the fact that you=
let personal feelings get in the way of morality. Oh and I will SPEAK on=
ANYTHING I damn well feel like. Got it? No? Let me ram the point down to=
your Australian punk ass some more, kid. This is America. We have free s=
peech here, regardless of the forum. I am not constantly attacking people=
left and right. I am not constantly swearing and posting obscenities, sp=
am, or the like. I am participating in this pathetic excuse for a communi=
ty, unlike MANY AWers. I have also contributed a LOT to this fucking comm=
unity, unlike MANY AWers. You may have been in AW longer, Facter, but who=
's made more of an impact? Me. Not you. Me. Got it? You may work for AWCI=
as one of their trained grunts, but you've sold out and gone to the "dar=
k side". However, I will continue fighting for the users of AW and not be=
pushed around by fuckwits in charge with too much power they easily abus=
ed such as you. NEVER EVER FUCKING FORGET THAT FACT. I'll simply ram it d=
own your pathetic throat again and again until you either break down ball=
ing or simply accept it and move on. Don't fuck with me, Facter.

[View Quote] [View Quote] > appreciate your and others support but I must stand up for what I belie=
ve
> in. I don't think Facter truly believes in what he's doing or he would =
NOT
> have shoved it off to the "community" (and only in the newsgroups, too,=
I
> might add) to decide. Where are Rick, JP, and the other AWCIers' opinio=
ns on
> this matter? Where is Lucrustia's dictatorial opinion? Facter obviously=
has
> too much power and is left ungoverened by Rick and JP; the power is goi=
ng to
> his head and he needs to be put in his place since his Aw parents (Rick=
and
> JP) don't seem to be doing their employee management job.
>
> Incorrect AGAIN. You have *no* idea what you are talking about - this i=
ssue
> has been discussed in the office, *with* my superiors, and with full
> permission to try and remedy the situation - it was decided to give the=

> *users* a chance to show that they themselves can make a decision - thi=
s has
> failed.
>
> Do *not* speak on that, which you have no idea Eep, it does not become =
you.
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Feb 9, 2001, 6:28am

rolu - 288153 - stay

I hate this. But you leave me no other choice.

rolu

Feb 9, 2001, 7:22am

[View Quote] Cool. So we choose something else than you, so we failed to do it. The idea
behind it is nice, but you made some big mistakes (as pointed out in other
posts). This just seems to turn into yet another AWCI failure. Why do you
think we can't make a decision? Why should we make a decision? You alone
started this, and on very dubious grounds. This is *not* good.

rolu

Feb 9, 2001, 8:13am

Then eep will have no room to complain about it if he is banned. At least he
will know why.

Holistic1

[View Quote] > image, are you aware that at one time eep was kicked from aw with no
> warning? eep has been through this before, read his history pages, maybe
> you could understand him better.
>
> -myrth
>
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Feb 9, 2001, 8:27am

casay, there is a world of difference here between being called a twit or the
constant name calling that has been taking place lately. As far a the beta
group goes, what does that have to do with what is happening in this group? I
know eep spends alot of time in AW and he does give VERY complete bug reports
and helps keep the beta group in line in that area. I also know that he CAN
contribute alot. But he doesn't. At least not in this group. As far as his
pages go, fine, they are complete. But, casay, thats not enough to have the
community have to put up with his abuse. You seem to forget that eep was the
major cause of the monitoring of this group before. eeps actions are nothing
new, however, its time for him to grow up. As far as all of the great knowledge
that eep likes to expound on.. you forgot one other thing.. eeps new math.

"60m^2 = (60m)^2"


Complaining about things encluding AW is not in violation of the charter. but
verbal abuse is.


My opinion only,

Holistic1

BTW, I have been a citizen for over 2 years now and a world owner for that long
too.

[View Quote] > Well, go to http://tnlc.net/rw sometime. Usually when Eep posts something
> that is helpful it's in the form of a short post with a link to information
> in that site. Why? Because he's already answered several of the questions
> already and added his new information to the site! Also, get this if you
> will; MANY of the bug reports that were posted in the Beta NG were
> discovered by none other than Eep himself. Yes, he had the version that
> everyone else did for awhile. He spent days with that version and had
> several ppl post his findings for him. So, on behalf of the latest 3.1
> release I bet he contributed as much or MORE than any other beta tester even
> though he only had it for a short period of time. How long have you been in
> AW? There's a lot more to this whole story. Take a look at who is posting to
> this thread. People that don't usually post here anymore in protest of
> monitoring of this very NG. How soon we forget. :-(
>
> Take him for what he is or filter him, whatever, it's your choice. He's a
> citizen and has the right to post, just like you have the right to post your
> opinion here too. Oh, and Eep 'rarely' curses but he can certainly, with a
> quick word or two, bluntly, & precicely cut right into someone. Right, wrong
> or otherwise, he's a citizen. For years I've begged him to lighten up. If
> you've been around for any period of time you'd know he has. Do you remember
> the LONG letters written by Wascally Wabbit, Lucrezia, myself and others
> over the years about this very topic? Lu, where are you anyway? Would love
> to see you post on all this. I think it's time you stepped in and helped
> stop/settle this madness. I'd like to know if AWCI knew in advance that
> Facter was posting this or not? I'd really appreciate an answer, thanks.
>
> I'm not sorry for what I posted at all, I stand by every word. I'm just
> sorry, that after having just had a long conversation with Facter just the
> other day, about how AWCI was working on improving their relationship with
> the community, that this even happened. I was really hoping that Facter
> would be able to bring that about. I'm very disappointed with all this as so
> far as I can see, it seems more like a personal attack on Eep than a
> community opinion. If it was different, this would have been done years ago.
> I wish it weren't so. So, ask to have yourself banned too for NG charter
> abuse if you've ever complained or said something bad, called someone a twit
> or anything to someone here.
>
> No apoligies here,
> Casay
>
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Feb 9, 2001, 8:55am

ooooo Good Luck :)

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Feb 9, 2001, 9:15am

Amen Goober. Seventy-five posts this morning. I read SIX. Facter, what the
HELL were you thinking? You've forced us to take sides, and set the grounds
for even more hostility than Eep could ever dish out. An anonymous vote
should have been taken, as I feel that the community should be involved in
the process. But what you turned this into was a debate, not a vote. When I
posted my vote, it was a vote, no extra words. Other people made strong
arguements for or against Eep designed to change other's votes. Peer
pressure was a factor that should not have entered into the equation.

This post will be my last in these newsgroups. If anybody has any last words
for me, I can be found via email. As it looks now, my donations to AWCI will
cease this July.

Oh yeah, Facter, fuck off.

Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."


Finally,
Anthony M. "Wing" Bathgate
This little spot is dedicated to my girl, Jessie.
AW Citizen 305004 "Wing"
bathgate at prodigy.net
eyemwing at teleport.com
ICQ #101207433
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Feb 9, 2001, 9:46am

316694-Jeiden *Remove*

Feb 9, 2001, 9:50am

You got to be kidding Eep. Facter has been giving you more chances to shape
up your act. And you call that hypocrisy? If I owned AW I would have banned
you completely long ago.

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Feb 9, 2001, 11:31am

Yes im well aware and he deserved it, im suprised they let him back!
You could say this was his second chance and he blew it.

image
image2 at uswest.net
www.imagebot.net

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Feb 9, 2001, 12:06pm

Do you know what hypocracy means? It means to do say one thing yet do another. Facter said the newsgroup charter is enforceable by AWCI without the need for the newsgroup community to vote on issues relating to it. Hence, the vote to ban me from the newsgroups was hypocritical. Get it?

[View Quote] > You got to be kidding Eep. Facter has been giving you more chances to shape
> up your act. And you call that hypocrisy? If I owned AW I would have banned
> you completely long ago.
>
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Feb 9, 2001, 12:11pm

Poseidon 293157 - Stay

Feb 9, 2001, 5:50pm

Your water broke and you're posting about Eep?!

Was this Eep incident what caused your water to break?! Cuz then we have a
defense that Eep even created life itself. :)

Either way, you prolly won't here this but we wish you THE best of luck. :)

Nornny

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Feb 9, 2001, 7:41pm

Umm what is this crap!? Why vote for someone to be removed, this is a
community NG, and voting for someone to be removed or not has nothing to do
with this NG, put it up on a website or something, this is pathic. Over 300
messages in 1 day of not checking the newsgroups.

This is absolutely pathetic, I don't see the point in this...

Anduin Lothario

--
AW Community Register
www.awcommunity.org/awcomreg

Feb 9, 2001, 7:42pm

Ummm scuse me Mr... I'm in Australia, not America. The internet is not
American, the internet is neutral. Get the facts right.

--
AW Community Register
www.awcommunity.org/awcomreg
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Feb 9, 2001, 8:07pm

You think? Well casting a vote just lets everyone know about Eep, and Eeps'
reputation gets dropped down more and more because everyone is writing about
him or casting a remove vote.

This sort of situation should be kept in private, not just a flick of the
switch, but private.

--
AW Community Register
www.awcommunity.org/awcomreg
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Feb 9, 2001, 8:15pm

O_O
Now if this isn't dedication, I don't know what the hell is...
--
Syntax
syntax at earthcorp.com
www.swcity.net

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Feb 9, 2001, 8:33pm

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ananas 317278 - remove

Not an easy decision as I think the longer-time readers know how to deal
with a creep like eep - but he freaks out too many who do not yet know
how to handle him.
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Feb 9, 2001, 8:35pm

[View Quote] You're a bit late... we've already discussed it far and wide.

rolu

Feb 9, 2001, 8:46pm

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I have to disagree - the age of all AW citizens is within a wide range,
all AW citizens are able to read and post here, a serious question of a
10 years old is worth as much as a serious question of a mature person
I think some of the 10 years old children in AW are smart enough in
computer things to help even mature people - or was the word
"especially"? *g

> ... This
> newsgroup is a mature one (at least I'd like to think) and it isn't and
> never will be the place for 10 year olds who go buck wild at a hint of
> wittiness or something insulting.
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Feb 9, 2001, 9:19pm

Oric 291518 STAY

Factor, this is my opinion and you may take it as you wish but I believe
this vote is wrong and should have never come about this way. This is a very
bad policy and clearly one that has not been thought through, it is not
right to take your personal anger and displace it onto the community in this
way. You have been quite helpful to me in the past and I respect your
knowledge and desire to contribute to AW but in this instance I must tell
you, I believe you are wrong. This is at best a straw vote subject to
misunderstanding at best and abuse at worse, it is clear to me that such a
proceeding is little better than a virtual lynching. I want you to know
that I do not believe that such things should be allowed to slip
unobtrusively into the way we do business or conduct our lives.

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Feb 9, 2001, 9:55pm

i think it is extremely rude to insult someone like that based on what they
feel... how inconsiderate can a person get....

--
J B E L L
http://platinum.awjbell.com
G O I N G P L A T I N U M
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Feb 10, 2001, 6:20am

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Sorry Eep it wasn't. Even though AWCI can if they wished boot you
both here and in AW. The vote to get you banned was not hypocrisy on
their part. It was an effort to 1) see what the current views of the
community are and 2) proved to be your second chance. Because if you
had lost the vote you would not still be here.

Basically you are now on your last chance and from what I have read
of the newer posts, you are also on very thin ice. I, myself wouldn't
be so nice as Facter was if I became the moderator of these news
groups. I would have banned you at the first time you broke the
charter, instead of like Factor give you a chance to save yourself.

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Feb 10, 2001, 6:34am

Excuse me but that same Admendment defines what freedom of speech
actually is and flaming people in the way Eep does falls under
slander which if taken to a US court can end up with a conviction.

So actually read what you are referencing to next time. And due to
the fact unlike the copyright laws there are no international
treaties that make them apply to more than the US. They do not apply
here.

If you insult the guy with the power to boot you, your just asking to
be banned. So do a bit more research next time with links to where
you got the info. Otherwise your just adding to the pile of Bs.

Feb 10, 2001, 6:42am

[View Quote] Just cause you think its pathetic, doesn't give you the right to flame me
for my opinion. I think Eep should be banned, I have had this opinion for
quite some time. So unless you want to cast your vote, shut up.

Also I have seen these ngs get more an 300 posts in on one topic in one day.
So if you can't handle the amount of posts why not just not read them there
is a "Catch up" option in most newsreaders that marks all unread messages as
read.

Feb 10, 2001, 9:55am

[View Quote] > Sorry Eep it wasn't.

Sorry, Jeiden, it was. To say one thing yet do another is hypocritical. Facter said the vote wasn't at all necessary to ban me from the newsgroups, yet he went ahead with it anyway instead of simply banning me as per the charter terms. Hence, hypocracy.

> Even though AWCI can if they wished boot you
> both here and in AW. The vote to get you banned was not hypocrisy on
> their part. It was an effort to 1) see what the current views of the
> community are and 2) proved to be your second chance. Because if you
> had lost the vote you would not still be here.
>
> Basically you are now on your last chance and from what I have read
> of the newer posts, you are also on very thin ice. I, myself wouldn't
> be so nice as Facter was if I became the moderator of these news
> groups. I would have banned you at the first time you broke the
> charter, instead of like Factor give you a chance to save yourself.

Uh huh...well you're not in charge now are you? Nope.

AW's banned me from AW and the newsgroups before so that's nothing new to me. However, I've always been let back in either after threats of going to the BBB (of which I've already filed a report once) and/or causing an injustice outcry in various forums besides these newsgroups, sometimes spawning in protests. I've never been banned for something that wasn't protected under the 1st Amendment and as such have eventually been allowed back in.

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Feb 10, 2001, 11:22am

The I just installed the program and hadn't had a chance to disable the auto
sign feature.

Also the BBB could do nothing if AW banned you for insulting people and
causing a disruption to the company.

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