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Feb 8, 2001, 10:17pm

wait wait wait, if he's actually BROKEN the charter, then why would you guys
need support from voting? His fate should be 100% in your hands, not ours.

Feb 8, 2001, 10:20pm

This very well may be the issue that tears AW apart. How ironic, AWCI's
support guy splits the consumer base in half causing a mass exodus as people
decide they cant take the conflict.

--
Wing
This little spot is dedicated to my girl, Jessie.
She paints her nails, and she dont know, he's got her best friend on the
phone,
She'll wash her hair, his dirty clothes, for all he gives to her. And he's
got posters on the wall
Of all the girls he wish she was, and he means everything to her. Her
boyfriend, he dont know,
Anything, about her... She's just the flavor of the week.
AW Citizen 305004 "Wing"
bathgate at prodigy.net
eyemwing at teleport.com
ICQ #101207433
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:23pm

LadyBunny 277170 STAY OMG !!!!!

I only wish I could contribute to aw what eep has .. maybe we are talking about
2 different people here ?!?!?

[View Quote] > This post is to vote upon the dismissal from this newsgroup of the user
> "Eep".
>
> This user has been a source of continuous harrasement, abuse, slander,
> derogatory remarks, personal insults and defamitory insults.
>
> The user has been given many avenues to redeem himself in the eyes of the
> newsgroup community, and has been given many opportunities to show himself a
> decent, productive and respectful member thereof.
>
> Thus, it is the wish of AWCI, to put forth a vote to have the user Eep's
> priviledges of posting into this newsgroup, removed from him for the
> foreseeable future.
>
> AWCI has full authority to ban such user as we see fit, as he has
> continually violated the charter that he agreed to follow when posting into
> this newsgroup. In order to set a new precedent of community interaction, we
> have decided to leave this matter up to the community to decide.
>
> There will be one vote per AW citizen, and it will be an open vote. Votes
> will be posted in response to this post, and will be tallied in 24 hours
> from the posted date of this message. End results will be binding, with no
> further discussion entered into - as this is an open vote, the talies will
> be able to be viewed by all members of community.
>
> Votes are to be cast as one of two choices
>
> To have Eep remain int his newsgroup, please vote as <citizen name -
> number> -"Stay"
>
> To vote to have Eep removed, please vote <citizen name - number> - "Remove".
>
> In making your decision, please review past posts by this user, and use them
> to make your best judgement on the matter.
>
> As the initiator of this vote, I begin the tally by casting my own, as an
> Activeworlds citizen.
>
> Facter 159952 - Remove.
>
> The voting has begun.

Feb 8, 2001, 10:24pm

What's to respond to? I have j b e l l filtered. :)

[View Quote] > Your post brought up a thought. Has Eep EVER caused anyone to leave the
> newsgroup?
>
> I'm just wondering. :) usually, I see people fighting to the bitter end with
> Eep. He does stir up some rousing and unusual thoughts and actions from all
> of us, good and bad. :)
>
> And WHY hasn't Eep posted to this yet? I'm sure he's ready to retaliate.
>
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:24pm

lol you silly goose

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Feb 8, 2001, 10:27pm

[View Quote] Wherther I stay or not is not an issue, this has nothing to do with me, and
I do not want people to make a "choice".

This vote is based purely on his conduct in here, not a "you go, I stay"
thing - I am sorry that this was not made more clear, and apologise if that
if what anyone thought.

I should of been more clear on that, in light of my previous post earlier -
afterwards, I do still exercise my choice to post in here or not.

Apologies for the confusion.

Facter.


>
> also, shouldnt you have waited for eep to make a response? I havent seen
a
> post from him since the decision of the vote...
>
> anyway,
>
> 302202- stay
>
> -Myrth
>
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:29pm

[View Quote] slandering and defaming what? the newsgroup? That can be done without Eep.
;) Seriously, Eep hasn't abused anything by saying what he says. This
newsgroup is a mature one (at least I'd like to think) and it isn't and
never will be the place for 10 year olds who go buck wild at a hint of
wittiness or something insulting.
Everyone else can and HAS taken Eep, chocked him up, and then eventually
swallowed him.
>
> There is a newsgroup charter, he has broken it - the vote is cast, and, as
a
> community, I have done something totally new and given the decision up to
> *all of you*.

Of all decisions. :) If we seriously didn't want Eep, why would we even
bother voting, arguing, or just talking to him? I know you have a lot of
faith in the community Facter, show us some faith that WE can eliminate him
ourselves if we don't want him. There really was no need for you to step in
and take charge, although it is appreciated somewhat.
>
> No one here else has *ever* let you guys decide this kind of stuff for
> yourselves - I dont know why it is not seen in the manner as it is
> intended - as a democratic, representational way of dealing with a matter
> that just has no other good solution.

Good solution, just let him dig his own grave. We are all just as critical
as Eep, and even Eep can't take all of us. This group was never run under a
democratic, representational way, why should it be now? Each week we're
going to play a game of Survivor with another firebrander? It's coming from
a good place Facter, but it's not fitting to me. You've left us to let us do
and talk whatever about whatever we've felt like and we've done pretty well
on it. I mean, we're mostly on topic and we eat up everyone that doesn't.
We've been efficient enough to create assumed rules, to enforce them
(brutally), and just post along our merry way. Do you really lack a trust
in this group dynamic that if we wanted Eep out, we couldn't do it
ourselves? I mean, it'd be like an empty victory (and ironic one too) for
us.

Nornny
>
> End of...
>
> F.
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:30pm

It's gotten to the point where I just don't care anymore. So many "attacks" are so petty they aren't even WORTH responding to. I, unlike many people it seems, have control over my emotions well enough to not be affected by such idiocy. Seems Facter's weaker in that regard and wants to make up for it by getting a publically-supported ban against me posting here. Quite pathetic...

[View Quote] > Actually, I've noticed whenever Eep is being attacked in a new thread, he
> doesn't defend himself. At least that's how I remember it. Strange, huh?
>
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:31pm

[View Quote] Umm, i cant see how - I have no problem if Eep wins this vote, which I have
also told him personally - but at least this way, everyone gets a say....

There is nothing wrong with letting everyone have their say - alot of you
guys always complain, that when AWCI does something,t hey just go ahead and
do it - and it makes things worse, now, when I step forward and let you guys
have the choice - you complain about it jstu as much...I am sorry if I do
not understand - there jsut seems absolutly no pleasing anyone in this
community...

Anyways, as I said - if the vote goes in Eeps favor,t hen I have no problem
with that.

It is the *communities* decision.

F.

> --
> Wing
> This little spot is dedicated to my girl, Jessie.
> She paints her nails, and she dont know, he's got her best friend on the
> phone,
> She'll wash her hair, his dirty clothes, for all he gives to her. And he's
> got posters on the wall
> Of all the girls he wish she was, and he means everything to her. Her
> boyfriend, he dont know,
> Anything, about her... She's just the flavor of the week.
> AW Citizen 305004 "Wing"
> bathgate at prodigy.net
> eyemwing at teleport.com
> ICQ #101207433
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:32pm

We are talking about two different people because not everyone has met both
Eep's. :) It's just really two people in one physical shell named "Eep". :)

Nornny

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Feb 8, 2001, 10:32pm

I don't agree with this voting thing at all. Shame on you, Fac! But if
that's how you insist on resolving this....

Xavarella (83058) Stay!

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Feb 8, 2001, 10:35pm

[View Quote] > first of all, if eep is voted to stay, does that mean you leave? you never
> said that in this post, and if that is what it means, then, well thats
> stupid, you shouldn't make us choose you or him

Yes, that's the conditions he made: Facter or me. Isn't that silly? That just proves it's a contest for him while to me it's all quite pathetic and just shows he truly needs external gratification in order to surfive. Pathetic...

> also, shouldnt you have waited for eep to make a response? I havent seen a
> post from him since the decision of the vote...

I've posted but haven't apologized. Facter doesn't want an apology; he wants me to suck up to him (or perhaps suck him off?) to show he has more power than I do. It's an ego thing, see. Facter wants to make a statement to Rick and JP that he can stand up to the big bad Eep (that's me) because they cannot. Facter is like (oo, analogy time!) the little knight going out to slay the dragon (that's me again) for his oppressive kings Rick and JP (the Wonder Twinky Kings).

> 302202- stay
>
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:36pm

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Of course, I could ban him in a second - but, I am not that kind of eprson,a
s anyone who has had anything to do with me in the apst five years I have
beena citizen of AW knows.

Because I give a damn about the community, and instead of making this a
matter of me jstu flicking the switch (which I am well authorized to do) I
have decided to let everyone have their say, and for the first time in the
history of awci owned Activeworlds, let the community have a vote on an
issue that should, by all right, jsut be decided by the company.

That, is why - because I want the community more involved in processes like
this, and wanting the communities participation in matters of community
dsicontent, then go ahead and flame me.

It is obviously an issue, with the amount of people voting to remove him
from this group, so that decision is allowed to be made by all of you.

F.

Feb 8, 2001, 10:40pm

Wha?!?!


~Joeman

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Feb 8, 2001, 10:42pm

Er, brain not working... Joeman 322782 - stay...

Must be that sleep thing im missing...

~Joeman

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Feb 8, 2001, 10:47pm

I dont believe you realise what has been created by your action. A pandora's
box has been opened that will not be shut. You seem to talk from the
position of high moral ground when in reality it comes from the swampy
lowlands of personal irritation. Ppl who have posted here for a reasonable
length of time I hoped would have understood the notion of free speech and
the value of difference and disagreement. Ppl here today are instead trying
hard to justify their vote against keeping Eep by "its not personal" and
sheesh --- "i cant read such stuff at school" type arguements'

Facter, as a voting mechanism this is patronising in the extreme because the
demand for this vote came NOT from the community but from YOU and AW. What
agenda is hidden therin? Who will be next - someone else whose opinions do
not fit with that of the management. Doesn't this all smack too much of
ensuring compliance by instilling fear and threats. Who here is so innocent
they feel totally able to cast the first stone? Sheesh, Eep has irritated
me greatly in the past by some of his comments, but to allow anyone to or
any group to ban another from speaking out is reprehensible in the extreme.
and to do it with such patronising comments is insulting. Please, I cant
speak for anyone else posting here, but I am an adult and would prefer adult
real, honest argument and debate.

At least with Eep i know where I stand whereas with your comments I could
never be sure that you would not suddenly drop into management mode and ban
me.

Therapist of Therapy Worlds
http://therapy.diz.nu




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Feb 8, 2001, 10:48pm

I don't usually post here but I do have something to say. I have been in AW
since January 1996. I recently bought my own world and came here to learn and
ask about object making. I never once asked any questions here. Why? I was
intimidated by some of the posts made by Eep. I do read most of the posts here
but after seeing some of the new people being attacked I decided not to bother
posting. I just wonder how many others are out there who won't post here
because of the intimidation. This is the "community" NG but it doesn't feel
like a community when new people feel intimidated before they ever post the
first post.

[View Quote] > Your post brought up a thought. Has Eep EVER caused anyone to leave the
> newsgroup?
>
> I'm just wondering. :) usually, I see people fighting to the bitter end with
> Eep. He does stir up some rousing and unusual thoughts and actions from all
> of us, good and bad. :)
>
> And WHY hasn't Eep posted to this yet? I'm sure he's ready to retaliate.
>
> Nornny
>
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:56pm

It's called Multiple Personalities. :)

:)
SW Chris

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Feb 8, 2001, 10:58pm

[View Quote] Read a littlebit down - quoted messages are not filtered.

>
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:59pm

hmm... it's not personal? My bad. It is now. Eep's response changed my
mind.

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Feb 8, 2001, 11:03pm

More hypocracy...

[View Quote] > wait wait wait, if he's actually BROKEN the charter, then why would you guys
> need support from voting? His fate should be 100% in your hands, not ours.

Feb 8, 2001, 11:13pm

Stay

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Feb 8, 2001, 11:14pm

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Wrong - I just wanted an apology - it was very simple. Your other opinions
"oh, me big dragon hunter" - what tripe Eep. I dont care about power, I care
about the community - if I didnt, this wouldnt even be up for vote, I would
of jsut said "Eep is now banned" and that would be the end of the story,
and, it would of been *alot* easier than organising a vote for the
community.

I dont want you to suck up to me, I dont even want you to *talk* to me.

You do not understand the need to want to do things for the community,
because you yourself hardly even care about it. Just because you dont, does
not mean that others dont - and my heart is at least int he right place,
even if this may not of been the correct course of action - who are you to
judge anyone when it comes to that?

Get *over* it. I have no secret illuminati agenda, I have always been *very*
honest with the whole community - always. I dont need approval from my
"Bosses", I dont need approval from you, or the gnomes of Zurich - the only
person I need approval from, is myself, and *I* approve of what I am doing,
because I know my heart is in the right place - and that it is with the
community, like it always *has* been.


F.


>
user
the
himself
Eep's
interaction,
Votes
hours
with no
will
use
an
>

Feb 8, 2001, 11:15pm

actually.. yes.. i know some ppl who left because they are tired of him and
reading his nonsense..... i don't care to mention the names... becuse they
might not want their names to be mentioned...

--
J B E L L
http://platinum.awjbell.com
G O I N G P L A T I N U M
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Feb 8, 2001, 11:21pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] Then perhaps you shouldn't. You try too hard, Facter. Don't be such an asskisser. Let the "community" regulate itself. AWCI tried moderation before and it didn't work. Perhaps if you knew your AW newsgroup history better you'd've realized that before ever thinking about attempting to ban me. You made a mistake and are now simply trying to brush it off (something you seem to be getting better at) onto the newsgroup posters, when most, if not all, don't give a shit whether I stay or go, or your little power trip and low self-esteem.

> Anyways, as I said - if the vote goes in Eeps favor,t hen I have no problem
> with that.
>
> It is the *communities* decision.

Feb 8, 2001, 11:21pm

Hey Facter, shouldn't you be working? You seemed to be hovering over the
newsgroups for 3 hours now!

lol, I'm just kidding, this thread needs some humor =P

Feb 8, 2001, 11:22pm

i hope everyone saw this..

--
J B E L L
http://platinum.awjbell.com
G O I N G P L A T I N U M
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Feb 8, 2001, 11:25pm

Casay 168013 stay

I really can't believe this. Sure, Eep comes across as harsh but I think
there's a lot more ppl here that abuse this NG with their swearing, over
posting, incorrect posting etc. Eep speaks his mind, nothing wrong with
that. He also contributes more than most people that post here. I was really
hoping that AW WAS going in the direction of caring about the community and
its citizens. Eep is a citizen, like it or not. He's also one that has done
a lot for the advancement of this company even though he doesn't agree with
the management. He does believe in the technology and it's potential. He, as
well as I and others see the potential of AW. We want it to succeed as much
as AWCI does. He's just vocal about what direction it should go in and how
the company should treat its citizens. Again, there's nothing wrong with
that. The NG charter doesn't say a person has to agree with company policy
or that they can't comment on it.

Now, if you ban Eep for speaking his mind or calling someone a twit, then I
respectfully request that you also ban EVERY single person that has abused
the charter at ANY time. The Derek comes to mind for all his useless and
flamatory postings. How about the person who posted subject- Go F*** a
donkey? I'm sure I'd be on that list also as I've had harsh things to say at
times too, even to Eep himself. Does he ask for me to be banned? No, he
replies or doesn't as he sees fit. I take it all in stride like an adult
even though he's made me mad more than once. Are you banning yourself too?
You better, you've flamed in here just as bad as anyone else over the years
in frustration just like the rest of us. Now that you work for AWCI you're
better than all that???????? *really want to say in imortal words of Eep-
drive through*

I would also like to add, that if this ban goes thru I will no longer be
posting to this or any other AW NG exept beta if still accepted on that list
after this. I will start posting my info soley in Andra's NG. How soon AW
forgets how dead this NG got after the last go around with this.

One more comment since I never commented in all the threads between you and
Eep. Guess I should have.You wrote a nice civil post to him. I thought, he
wrote a really civil post back. Esp for him. I don't think you realize
what's he's trying to say to you? He's darn near begging you to help bring
about community enlightenment with AWCI. He's actually asking for your help
to bring that about. I was hoping for the same from you too. Do you not see
that or are you only reading his posts from a negative viewpoint? Since when
don't you realize that's Eep's problem isn't with what he says but mainly
with HOW he says it. This whole thing needs to stop now, unfortunately, it
seems to late. :-(
Very sad day again for AWCI.
Respectfully,
Casay



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Feb 8, 2001, 11:26pm

God damn, not only are you a hypocrit, Facter, but a moron as well. Must I continue to rip you to shreds by your own incompetence?

From news://news.activeworlds.com/3a82f3df%241%40server1.Activeworlds.com :

"You guys can all take a vote, on whether he is to remain here, or not - if the vote says he is to stay, then I will no longer be posting to this newsgroup, and you guys get to keep him - but, you will also lose any correspondance from me here, and this group will go back to the way they were before I started posting in here - apathetic and mainly used for everyone to have a good old bitch about the company I work for, when they have little or no facts on which to base their bitching."

Certainly sounds like a you-or-me scenario to me!

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Feb 8, 2001, 11:34pm

Duh; still not worth responding to...<shrug>

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