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I might have been wrong // General Discussioncount draculaMar 12, 2003, 2:12am
I just noticed I accuse USA of the same thing I practice myself; not obaying
laws I do not belive in. There are many in my opinion stupid laws and I simply ignore them. USA has showed an ignorant attitude towards UN, just like I do when it comes to laws I belive are just there to limit my individual freedom. Maybe we all should simply start ignoring all laws, if we feel someone has acted wrong or done something we do not belive to be right; we simply go and punish them according to our moral standards. Why go to the police; since we know better anyway. Drac bowenMar 12, 2003, 2:25am
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This is exactly why I generalize Europeans Joker. I'm too tired to explain exactly
what I mean; but if you interpreted this the same way I did... you'll know. (to joker ss) --Bowen-- bowenMar 12, 2003, 4:20am
> This is exactly why I generalize Europeans Joker. I'm too tired to explain exactly
> what I mean; but if you interpreted this the same way I did... you'll know. (to > joker ss) Honestly, if I can add on to what I said, please... just shut the hell up. --Bowen-- count draculaMar 12, 2003, 6:01am
You are funny Bowen, if I say something that upset you and then say I was
wrong you are upset again *LOL* Drac bowen <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> kirjoitti viestissä:3e6ed1a7 at server1.Activeworlds.com... explain exactly know. (to > > Honestly, if I can add on to what I said, please... just shut the hell up. > > --Bowen-- > > ubermonkeyMar 12, 2003, 6:47am
I believe he is hideously insulted by the idea that law structures are
inherently wrong. Personally, I think that anyone who's actually alive should notice that it's absurd to have a controlling body issuing generalized limitations to all of humanity. I would like to point something out: People like me would LEAVE your god-forsaken horrible societies (all of them!) for good, if it wasn't for the fact that imperialist bastards have already claimed every available piece of land for their horrible enterprises. If you want us "crazy anarchist freaks" out of your hair for good, then stop destroying all the places we could leave to in order to build shopping malls. =P Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is very funny, better than Snatch (other movie by same people). Hadn't seen it until tonight. [View Quote] count draculaMar 12, 2003, 2:44pm
I am sad to hear you do not like yourself.
Drac bowen <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> kirjoitti viestissä:3e6f60cd at server1.Activeworlds.com... > [View Quote] bowenMar 12, 2003, 3:57pm
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Yeah too bad what I said makes sense as apposed to the crap that's spewed from
Europeans *just because they don't like Bush*. --Bowen-- ananasMar 12, 2003, 4:22pm
Well, I always disliked Bush, that's true. But in the
meantime I hate him as he is an incompetent asshole, incompetent about world politics that should lead to a more peaceful world, with no scruples let people kill in the name of nationalism. Bush is currently the biggest risk factor of all in the global politics; the combination power, incompetence and lack of scruples is extremely dangerous. [View Quote] sw chrisMar 12, 2003, 8:18pm
Opinion, opinion, opinion. :)
Ananas, the only reason you think that is because you don't have 3000 dead in your country in one day. That kind of thing is going to make the beehive buzz. And furthermore, I believe I can now make the general observation that most people who oppose the war are those folks who haven't seen a day of oppression in their lives (which just happen to be white people). Whereas folks like Jewish holocaust survivors such as Elie Weisel, scores of Iraqi ex-patriots, American indians, and white kids like me who've been picked on in school but are stronger for that experience know that injustice to any civilization is not something one lays down and takes over and over and over again. Oh oh. You're going to try to get me on the question of "What is justice?" right? Well, you can debate generalities all you want, but that's not going to stop the fact that Saddam's going down, regardless of lucrative European and Russian oil contracts and continuous promises of placation under the stupid Inspection program that doesn't even have enough manpower to cover a country the size of Iraq and only works if there is a sizable military force threatening to invade. At least that's according to one of the senior inspectors in Baghdad and the UN Security Council, respectively. Most people can reconsile their disagreements, but I guess we just have to resort to namecalling instead. It just means you've ran out of things to argue about. So I'm butting out of this for the duration of the war. I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone to debate you any further, especially with two anarchists who are so far out there in their views that I don't even know if they're on the right or left! Ananas seems to be the only clear-thinking one out there. Thanks guys for the rousing debate. I'll try to be tactful from here on out. I don't intend to insult anyone. Ananas I respect your opinions but I think you're dead wrong. Others have brought new insight to me into the European attitude concerning war. So I guess I did learn something and now I have more firepower for the next round. :D I'll see you after V-Day. And thus, I say this with the most obvious sarcasm I can muster. Instead of fighting each other, let's turn our attention to a common enemy. France! Chirac, go surrender to somebody and butt out. :P Cheers, Chris [View Quote] ubermonkeyMar 12, 2003, 8:24pm
Violence is perfectly natural. Male animals kill each other constantly in
battles over females or territory. What freaks me out is that it's gotten so impersonal... killing people by the 1000's with long range explosives (be they US long range laser-guided thingies, or Bin Laden's suicide jumbo jet pilots) is just too wierd... the people who are going to die are going to have nothing to do with the source of the problem. Personally, I think world leaders should be put into bare-fist no-rules cage matches to settle political issues. =P [View Quote] ubermonkeyMar 12, 2003, 8:27pm
Americans generalize themselves by assigning themselves to obvious social
themes which effectively force them to become stereotypes. (<--but isn't this a generalization?) [View Quote] goober kingMar 12, 2003, 10:38pm
Now you know why *I* didn't bother getting involved in this "debate". :P
[View Quote] -- Goober King Doesn't go into a battle of wits with unarmed people gooberking at utn.cjb.net the joker ssMar 12, 2003, 11:21pm
oh you being picked on at school , lil traumatized , so lets invade iraq ?
you know so well thats not the reason bush wants this war . the joker ssMar 12, 2003, 11:25pm
and childish comments like "france the common enemy" , everyone who thinks
different about it is an enemy ? makes no sence , and that way , you will make lot of friends on this planet , way to go . shredMar 13, 2003, 1:01am
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And thus, **I say this with the most obvious sarcasm I can muster.** Instead of fighting each other, let's turn our attention to a common enemy. France! Chirac, go surrender to somebody and butt out. :P </quote> You have misunderstood: this was not a "childish" comment. It was an (obvious) bit of sarcasm -- a generally accepted form of humor. Obviously this "humor" thing is an alien concept to some... [View Quote] just inMar 13, 2003, 4:42am
Violence is the solution of the bully.
I am yet to be convinced that there are any Weapons-Of-Mass-Distruction in Iraq. Until I am convinced that there are (or take the word of a majority of the UN security council that there are) WOMD, I will be totally opposed to any war against Iraq. I find the whole concept of making a pre-emptive strike abhorrent. *IF* the case were proven that Saddam was harbouring WOMD, I would still disagree with the pre-emptive strike as I still think that they could be destroyed by UN order with the Inspectors overseeing it, but I would be more tolerant of the impending US attack to enforce complete disarmament, based on proof that there were blatant lies about Iraqi weapons and the unwillingness of Saddam to volunteer the information when it was asked for. Additionally, my reason for being "tolerant" is that I place a lot of hope in the UN to keep world peace and provide a united front - and because it made demands the UN should stand behind those demands and see them through - rather than sit back and ignore them. As things stand right now, should the US commence the attack without prior evidence, I would not trust any information coming out of Iraq as "proof - I told you so" as it could then be regarded as planted by US to avoid the backlash of not having found anything for which the attack was justified. I repeat my original position, in that I honestly think getting involved militarily with Iraq, with what weapons they have and whith who is leading them as a mistake. Any desires to make their leadership more humanitarian, their politics more democratic, and their attack strength less volatile, could and should be approached with diplomacy. Regards, Justin [View Quote] > snip < > Cheers, > Chris > johnMar 13, 2003, 1:51pm
A nice game of chess between the leaders of the armies, etc. would solve it
all.. if they lose they get <kicking bucket sound effect>... killed... lol! [View Quote] kelleeMar 14, 2003, 1:09am
The UN is toothless and useless, but, having said that...... I still agree
that if "we" go to war with Iraq without UN sanction then we are guilty of supporting the American bully Bush ( who has his own agenda and it ISN'T about weapons of mass destruction). One cannot say that Iraq hasn't complied with a UN order to be rid of such weapons so therefore we should make him, if we do not ourselves follow UN directives! Many in Iraq would prefer to be out from under "Suddenly Insane's" iron thumb, but there is also many that keep him in power. We have not got the right to dictate another country's politics. If the ppl that oppose their dictator were to rise up and try to shake their oppressor and ask for our aid, and our internationally sanctioned body for world order ( The United Nations) agreed that we should help, THEN and only then would we be morally justified in resorting to interfering. Or if they came spewing out of their country trying to tell us how to run our countries......well.......smack em and make em run back home crying. And as for their supposed affiliations with the Taliban ..... has any one offered even a logical scenario for this accusation? I don't believe them incapable..... as (The enemy of mine enemy is mine friend) they both hate the United States, but..... that is a huge generalisation. Why don't they accuse Korea of the same things.... after all ... they have openly resisted Americas dominance over world opinion too. What I would like to know, is WHY Bush hates Suddenly Insane so much.... why is being rid of him more important than the thousands that would die as a result of his stubbornness to wage what could possibly be World War 3. I don't wanna die because some idiot American has delusions of grandeur and our pathetic excuse for an Australian leader wants to kiss his bushy butt. [View Quote] I am yet to be convinced that there are any Weapons-Of-Mass-Distruction in Iraq. Until I am convinced that there are (or take the word of a majority of the UN security council that there are) WOMD, I will be totally opposed to any war against Iraq. ananasMar 14, 2003, 5:28pm
Nationalism is based on opinions too, opinions that the own guys
are always the good guys, the own governement never lies, the own war is always the best war, the own soldiers are always heroes, the own press is independant, the own president would never use blackmail, the own country never spends too much energy, the own governement always pays their debts, the own weapons cause peace... Continue the list yourself. My reply is my opinion, I clearly stated that this is how I feel about Bush. No facts, not my brain but my stomach wrote it down. Logical arguments long stopped working, truth does not count in this discussion - the war lovers just stomp their foot like an angry child and state "we need the war anyway" and they even believe what they stated. They ignore all contradictions, argue with "facts" that exclude eachother in different posts or come up with idiotic arguments like "better save than sorry". Does it make you wonder that this makes a normal person mad, who is not bombed with lies and propaganda every day? I do hate Bush because of his deeds, I do not dislike him because of our press - I always check several sources before I believe anything that is important to me. I check our press too - always knowing that they just send a small part of the facts most of the time. With the right mixture of propaganda, lies and the right extract from the facts you can make some US people accept any war. Idiotic things like renaming food with foreign names you would laugh about if you heard it in a less emotional atmosphere now are necessary to show those bad foreigners that they might be the next target if they do not agree to the war. For the less industrialized states it might work better to drop development assistanceif they do not agree or send the illegal immigrants all back that have been accepted all the time. I bet they would even be able to proof that the Pope is actually an Al Quaida member or at least supported them - well, my opinion. You already live in the state of war, not with lethal weapons but with money and propaganda. The opponents are those who do not believe in the lies about the necessity of a war - as everyone who does not support the US is a declared enemy. I am glad that those Americans who I know closer, my friends, do not fall into those traps. They check the facts before they support a regime that tries to force others to do what they want them to do, they check both sides of the medal. btw.: I do not trust our own politicians either without checking if it is something important to me, my opinion is just similar to the "german position" by coincidence this time. And I do not trust our german press either, I know they are censored and influenced nearly as much as the American press at the moment. Especially web pages of news agencies that deal with censorship or monitoring the citizens tend to vanish lately :( Those 3000 dead people - not related to Iraq in any way. No war weapons have been used, the most deadly part has been the brain of the terrorists. We all have a brain and no one can see what it really deals with. Anyone in this NG would be able to use his for bad deeds and no way to stop him. Of course, there are ways to control a person completely, drugs that destroy personality completely. Maybe they are already working on this problem? http://www.sunshine-project.org/publications/pr/pr110203.html I have no idea how much truth is in this - but it might help to be better save than sorry. [View Quote] |