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Jan 17, 2006, 6:29am

People who come out at old age usually say they were hiding it.

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Jan 17, 2006, 6:38pm

anythingbutstraight.com

I agree. Throwing links around will be fine. exgaywatch.com has a lot of
good ones.

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Jan 17, 2006, 6:51pm

I don't think either of those websites you posted cites sources of
scientific studies, or even uses them?

That guy who wrote the book might be different, but you'd have to buy the
book to find out.

Jan 17, 2006, 9:21pm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_nart.htm

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Jan 17, 2006, 11:11pm

http://www.ohgodshutupplease.now/seriously/allofyou.html

Jan 18, 2006, 4:41pm

ha! dead link!

But on the other note, as chris sort of stated, if you are going to link,
have something scientific, not someones rants, or a link to a book, unless i
missed something on those websites.

-SWE

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Jan 18, 2006, 7:52pm

Organisations like NARTH are hardly scientific.

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Jan 18, 2006, 8:31pm

Let me be more specific here. Such organisations will reference:

- their own testimonials, which are not followed up for any extended
period of time
- outdated psychiatric research, sometimes by many decades
- the Spitzer study, which claims that sometimes sexual orientation can
be changed

Note that Dr Spitzer himself admits that the sample was "self-selected
from people who already claimed they had made some change." Even then,
he concluded that "[only] a small minority -- perhaps 3% -- might have a
"malleable" sexual orientation."

But what is the Spitzer study either than a load of ex-gay testimonials
lumped together as statistics? These people's true sexual responses were
not actually measured.

So at most, the Spitzer study, the most scientific study that most
organisations like NARTH will refer to, shows that a small minority of
people can change their sexual orientation.

Yet psychiatrists and psychologists will usually reject the study,
claiming that the method of testing is unreliable, and that the study
was not peer reviewed.

So what about the idea that homosexuality is caused by unresolved
emotional problems? Well, I often hear it quoted without reference that
homosexuals have a higher incidence of mental conditions. The reason
they won't reference is because these ideas are simply decades old.
There's even a case back then of someone's sample group of homosexuals
for study coming solely from an insane asylum; the reason for this of
course is probably that back then most sane homosexuals were in the
closet, nevertheless it was presented as a suitable sample when clearly
it was not.

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Jan 18, 2006, 11:00pm

Don't see you posting anything better.

Jan 18, 2006, 11:15pm

well, i choose to believe that homosexuality is NOT something you are born
with, so i guess those facts just studies are more easily accepted by me
personally.
Not saying there is anything wrong with being gay, just don't act like you
had no choice about it. everybody always has a choice, it may be
subconscious, but it's a choice none the less. that's all i'm arguing for.
No one in this NG atleast, said anything about anyone being crazy or
emotionally unstable.

-SWE


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Jan 19, 2006, 5:46am

Even I would not use the word 'choice', SWE. The only choice we have is the
same one we all have; whether or not to embrace those urges.

Jan 19, 2006, 12:35pm

it's not a conscious choice, but at the end, it's your brain/mind, so
everything about you is a choice. everything non-physical that is.

-SWE

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Jan 19, 2006, 7:42pm

OMG Chris stop debating for one minute of your life. :P

Jan 20, 2006, 6:44pm

I think I did, but you had to go and post. So now I'm debating about
debating. ;)

Chris

Jan 20, 2006, 6:54pm

Nooooo.. we mean Jacob AND Chris

Alot of these 4.1 Features are ripped directly from Plastic Planet. Others
are true innovations (prolly a combination of jacob and chris) while some
things I have never seen in PP3D so I would go with the theory that Jacob
had a hand in it.

But there are prolly other programmers in AWI who worked hard on this as
well.

Where the heck are my friggin Mirrors! Ok.. thats my only real rant.

MPL Knight
http://www.vr5online.com


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Jan 20, 2006, 7:59pm

I beg to differ.

: )

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Jan 21, 2006, 12:08am

You can't differ, you might offend someone ;)

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Jan 21, 2006, 1:11am

LOL Like that'll be a first time.


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Jan 21, 2006, 9:44am

Well, debunking the other side is usually enough for Creationists, so ;D

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Jan 21, 2006, 10:36am

what does gay or bi or anyones sexuality have to do with weather or not AW
programs are good or not? or weather some one acts like a child or an adult?
pardon me but i think you all lost track of what was being talked about lol

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Jan 21, 2006, 10:49am

i think the shooping was fune and it would be realy cool if you could do
that with existing av's and still be able to use things the old way and the
4.1 features just as an add-on for more options. i think it would realy suck
if AW changed completly like Stagecoach but nice if they added the new
features to the existing ActiveWorlds.
i realy don't think it will be an all or none situation. As for the Uni's i
think there is plunty of people to go around and just as people have
prefrences on what radio station they listen to they can chose what chat is
best for them.

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Jan 21, 2006, 6:25pm

They lost me long ago....and I started this thread LMAO
sweets

Jan 21, 2006, 7:42pm

[View Quote] I beg your pardon but just because you changed the Subject, this thread is not yours :)
References: <43c3265f at server1.Activeworlds.com> <43c474e4 at server1.Activeworlds.com> <43c4aac2$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com> <43c5c60d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com>
The original thread started by deltaphc who thought his discovery worth a new thread (he forgot the check if someone already discovered SI :).

--
Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Jan 21, 2006, 9:23pm

[View Quote] Well, looking at the (relevant) response to this thread, many had not
discovered SI yet. I was aware that the SL folks already knew about it.
That was where I found out about it, in fact. The SL forums.

I almost forgot that this was my thread when reading some of it, heh.

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- DeltaPHC
Cit 355508

http://delta.digibase.ca

Jan 22, 2006, 9:44pm

To summarise:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html

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Jan 23, 2006, 3:50pm

Thats what i find pathetic, the very stupid defensiveness of Chrispeg
towards Jacob
At least its easy to exploit jacob and report unnessacary bugfixes or
add a Mario UI Theme
Cor, why can't Jacob just fuck off and Chrispeg leave him alone for god
sake, at least theb AW wont be worse off anymore.

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Jan 23, 2006, 3:51pm

Pretend this is the size of Thunderbird window:
< >
The posistion of the last reply compared to above:
-> * <-


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Jan 24, 2006, 6:55am

[View Quote] You miss the point; its an in-group joke. Jacob cant do anything except test
pianos.

--
- Mark Randall
http://www.temporal-solutions.co.uk
http://zetech.swehli.com

"Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those
of us who do"
Isaac Asimov

Jan 24, 2006, 9:51am

ROFL

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Jan 25, 2006, 8:51pm

Yea, Jacob SINGLE-HANDEDLY programmed the 4.1 client.

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