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Jan 12, 2006, 7:11pm

LMAO well I am 5'9 at the doctor, makes me stand straight.....and can do
down to about 5'7 in slouch mode when with short people....but that av was
not more than 5'5 LMAO and man did that feel soooo wrong....
sweets
ps: cannot wear high heels even in VR

Jan 12, 2006, 7:37pm

There is a difference between "kids" and "teens" - I said "teens" not kids
:)

Poseidon

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Jan 12, 2006, 8:28pm

to me....same difference....13-19 are kids....gambling is not exactly...for
kids....or, as you call them, teens....

and why if made for teens do they offer grey hair? LOL

And do you really think a company like Wells Fargo only wants business from
teens? ...nope,...they want your parents business not yours....adults with
the bucks....dont fool yourself,,,,you are only the bait. I expect the
bodies to age in time as kids lead their parents into the big business
machine....believe it

the 'kids' will just be another little annoyance in another of many
chatrooms.....tolerated in the hopes they can get your dollars when you
finally grow up and get a job.

sweets

Jan 12, 2006, 11:03pm

As far as I can see it, it is just pre-defined avatars that are picked
according to the options you selected, and that is, with the right web
script, possible even now (we saw that mechanism to a minor degree in
NewAW already). So, this has nothing to do with a new 4.1 feature. :-)





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Jan 13, 2006, 12:31am

This isn't the finished 4.1 product, though. This is something that was
finished ENOUGH for them to specialise for Wells Fargo.

The avatars especially are simply a feature of this specialised Wells
Fargo browser. That avatar selection is really just a web frontend with
bots behind the scenes, as far as I know. We won't be having anything
like that in the Active Worlds 4.1 universe as a standard feature,
although I think it will be possible for individual worlds. Exactly how
much customisation will be available in cases like that will, I assume,
depend on how much work a world owner puts into those features.

4.1 is going to have the originally planned custom avatars feature, that
is, we will be able to model our own avatars for use with a universal
object path.

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Jan 13, 2006, 1:33am

I sure hope so Rossy....because you really did not look very comfortable
yesterday in that girl's body *winks.....
sweets

Jan 13, 2006, 4:03pm

Will any of these new features muck up what we've already built?
I remember when the create lights thing changed and everybody was like
Ewwwwwwwwwwww
LOL

I don't understand ANY of this, but I roll with the punches.

Jan 13, 2006, 5:13pm

13 - 19 are kids? I'm 19 years oldm, and already have a flying job lined
up for this summer! I admity lots of teens act lik ekids, but who is to
say lots of 20 - 50 year olds act like pre-schoolers? It is all in
context, I'm out of time so rant over :) ciao!

Bean

Jan 13, 2006, 5:59pm

I know 2 kids in aw for sure that when u r around them u would never know
they were kids. U can actually hold an intelligent conversation with them
and they actually stand still long enough to hold that conversation. They r
very respectful to adults too. I enjoy being around them. one is Matt888 and
the other is Daniel( with some numbers after his name. lol i forgot) hugssss
matt888 and Daniel :)
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Jan 13, 2006, 8:29pm

it's obviously not as good, or ever going to be anywhere as good as SL or
There, but give it a break, compared to the other upgrades, this one is
wayyy more then anyone should have expected.
And i personally have had no problems at all with it. the movement felt
alittle strange (mainly the camera) but otehr then that, worked perfectly.
never crashed once.

-SWE

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Jan 13, 2006, 8:35pm

ya, i'm also 19, and though my sheet isn't as impressive as Dabean's :P you
cannot classify me as a kid. ok, i might still live off of pocket money, but
doesn't make one a child. You stop being a child when you are able to make
responsible decisions.
And on another note, never seen a 18,19 year old wearing a corset for like a
wedding or prom? :) and in england, you can gamle at 18!
And lastly, not sure about you, but children imfluencing parents on business
decisions seams a little strange?
I know my dad isn;t banking at NatWest because of me, on the contray, i use
AMEX because of him.
Maybe they really are attracting the teens? plus, by the looks of it
stagecoach has quite some educational potential

-SWE

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Jan 14, 2006, 3:34am

Sweets, can you not see that once the AW community gets the AW 4.1 version,
they will be able to make their own customizations. You are looking at the
product of the client and how they chose to set it up. When talented
world builders get these features to play with, imagine what they will be
able to do.

Take another look at the project and think in terms of potential: what
COULD be done with it, not what HAS been done with it.


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Jan 14, 2006, 3:34am

No, they want the kids money because they will be going to college soon and
be getting all sorts of offers for credit cards (Wells Fargo credit card
among many others)

When I started college I was bombarded with pre-approved credit cards. In
fact, they sent me legitimate credit cards and all I had to do was call and
activate them. I didn't have to fill out any paper work whatsoever. Just
call and go to the mall.




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Jan 14, 2006, 4:01am

read my lips heh

> So I am not slamming the system. I have ALWAYS seen the potential in AW. I
> am slamming those that have the nerve to say it is the best, or amazing,
or
> wonderful.....it is good, but it could be better.....and will get better,
> hopefully not better than the average computer can manage without
crashing.

Jan 14, 2006, 6:32am

It seems that practically all of the people around here don't care about
4.1 being spoiled. Heh.

So... is there anyone around that DOESN'T know about 4.1's features yet?
I just happen to find it interesting how far/fast this spread, but I'm
not really surprised. We haven't had a major update to the browser in ages.

I've experimented a little with this 4.1 browser for the past few days
of course. One thing in particular that I noticed is that zones won't
actually take effect until they're within visibility. This is a problem
because it sorta makes the "Block Chat" feature useless. The user can
just set a low visibility, move far enough away from a zone so that only
the avatars are visible, then listen in on chat that's supposed to be
blocked by the zone... but it isn't, because it's out of visibility. Hmm.

Vehicle physics (and just physics in general) need a bit of tweaking. I
especially noticed that it's easy to get stuck inside things. But other
than that, vehicles (movers) are fairly usable.

Everything else seems pretty much okay, I think.

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Jan 16, 2006, 2:03am

Daniel82789 changed his citname to Riokie. He can hold an intelligent
conversation, you say? That's not how it was when I came accross him in
an MSN group conversation. He stated that he doesn't like Second Life
because 80% (according to him) of its users are gay or bisexual.

When I told him that I am gay he called me a "sick fuck", his reasoning
being that "if we where intended to fuck the same sex everyone would
have dicks and pussies -_-". When I tried to debate logically,
intelligent responses were not to be found. "UGG -_- like talking to a
wall" and "good god your dumb -.-" were all I got out of him before he left.

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Jan 16, 2006, 10:58am

I personally don't care what anyones sexual orientation is but u must know
that the majority of people aren't that accepting of it. I however realize
that it is not a choice but a genetic anomally that makes u that way. No one
would choose to be something that would cause such emotional pain to
themselves because of what others think about it. What he said was not a
nice thing to say, but u gotta know that most people feel that way about it
and it's a hard thing for them to deal with. It's not really something u can
debate and not get those reactions. The majority of the world is just not
ready to accept that way of life. But Daniel is a nice kid and i love him
dearly and I would wash his mouth out with soap. I wish u well and happiness
with your way of life :)
Ciena
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Jan 16, 2006, 11:23am

emm, sexual orientation has nothing to do with genetics/DNA or chemicals or
anything like that, it's purely psycological.
Just thought i'd point that out.

-SWE

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Jan 16, 2006, 11:44am

Not everyone would agree there, including psychologists themselves.

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Jan 16, 2006, 11:46am

Okay, my point is though:

1. He brought it up, and he brought it up as a reason for hating Second
Life. Granted, not everyone agrees with non-straight sexual
orientations, but it's not a reason to hate a VR product.

2. He was prepared to start an argument over it, but he wasn't prepared
to listen to my point of view, even when I was trying to use the same
logic he was using.

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Jan 16, 2006, 1:09pm

oh yes it does.
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Jan 16, 2006, 1:26pm

People that dont understand will not listen rossy. They don't want to
understand. Maybe they feel threatened by that way of life who knows. but u
have to know by now that u r going to run up against a lot of ppl that abhor
your way of life. One of my best frieds SleepWalker who is no longer with us
was gay. He was the sweetest most caring loveing person i have ever met in
aw. I loved him dearly no matter what his sexual orientation was. He was a
good friend to me. I really feel sorry that others can't accept a person for
what he is not what his sexual preferences are. You have a long row to hoe
if u think you can change peoples minds about it. You will just have to
accept that thats not gonna happen. Go on about your life but dont expect
most others to agree or even understand unfortunatley.
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Jan 16, 2006, 1:28pm

it is also pre determined in the fetal stage of life.
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Jan 16, 2006, 1:35pm

There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual
orientation; most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most
likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and
biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early
age. There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology,
including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a
person's sexuality. In summary, it is important to recognize that there are
probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation and the reasons may
be different for different
Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?

No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual
orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior
sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings,
psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice
that can be voluntarily changed.

Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?

No. Even though most homosexuals live successful, happy lives, some
homosexual or bisexual people may seek to change their sexual orientation
through therapy, sometimes pressured by the influence of family members or
religious groups to try and do so. The reality is that homosexuality is not
an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable.

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Jan 16, 2006, 8:32pm

emm, thats one theory..
another though, is that it is psycological, and i think that makes more
sense.
Though geneitcs can make one more likely to become gay then others, at the
end, sexual orientation is psycological.
Attraction as a whole is psycological, though you will pyshically react to
attraction, there is no gene in your body which dictates wheter you prefer
blondes, brunettes or redheds, tall or short, skinny or plum, B or DD cup,
it's all psycological.

If it were genetic, then how come you have people turning gay at old age?
some people come out when they're 40, 50, 60 or even 70. if it were genetic,
wouldn't they have never been attracted to woman to begin with?
I don't doubt that genetics may have a little to do with it, but i
personally still believe it is almost all psycological.

-SWE


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Jan 16, 2006, 8:35pm

not everyone would agree on anything really.

-SWE

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Jan 16, 2006, 8:43pm

one last thing, in that case, what about bisexuals?

-SWE

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Jan 17, 2006, 3:12am

Not genetic, no evidence for that. But not a choice, either.

Cheers,

Jan 17, 2006, 3:13am

true dat. Agreement should never be a prerequisite to truth.

Jan 17, 2006, 3:14am

narth.org.

But let's not debate here, please.

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