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Matters of good Grammer // Communityprincess nerwenJan 18, 2004, 6:52am
This is a test. Seeing if the NG is actually back up. I do hope so, its
been a long while andthe community needs a good place to discuss the AW community. Be aware the rules that are in the AWGateway can and should apply here and you should try to be on your best behavior, there are many from all over the world that can read this. So lets try to present a good posture to them and have an understanding with all that are here. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/3/04 mongoJan 18, 2004, 2:37pm
Let's see - someone wishes to make a point regarding how we post in this
news group under the title of "Matters of good grammer", misspells grammar, and proceeds to thrash proper English syntax during their post. Some things never change. Oh - this is jennifer775 at cox.net in a new nickname. Nevermind. [View Quote] tart sugarJan 18, 2004, 2:46pm
Well, ya can't make a leopard change their spots. Or can you?
D'OH!!!! Tart Sugar I used to be Snow White, but I drifted. [View Quote] princess nerwenJan 18, 2004, 11:53pm
Actually no I am not a GK and from all the flack and harrassment I got I
am not going to even re-apply because I have a lack of willingness to sit and just watch though, I do thta anyway and just to see how the conversations go, and if they get too childish, or gangsta style I just leave, and not let anyone know I am there. This is not my type ofplace to hang out, or be a part of. That was why the original post, but thta is gone now too. The Educational levels of the children today is astonishing at most, and they are no longer learning the three r's like I did as a child. Readin ritin and Rithmatic, but then I guess basket weaving, and hard core porno have taken that over, and it is so sad to see. We have a great Country here, and it took great people to make it this way, and now because our educational system is less than most 3rd world countries, it a horrible status to be in, I pray thta it turns, We need America to be a Strong place, and a good place for all, but the education system has fallen. I know I know, I am wrong, and I don't know what I am talking about. Well just sit and listen to the chatter in the Gateway once in a while, just watch do not participate, and see for yourself. Wazzup, wassup, and more like it. Where did our fathers take us to bring us to this point in time? We are a Great and Free Country, but it's not pleasant to watch our children get potty mouth, and potty brianed, as you will see many of the "Guys" that frequent the AW gateway have taken it upon themself to walk around the gate and hit on every girl there. I know I hide as a birdie to keep this from happening, yet when I get my regular gate avatar on Jenna they flock and then ask lap dance and more suggestive lines. Sure that is fun to have happne, but thi sis a G rated community, and G is not a sexual content included rating. PG will have light sexual comments,and soft porn to a point, then PG-17 for those more suggestive actions, then R for the more lude, and x for full frontal nudity. G is far from X and even PG-17, so that i s why I never ever plan to re apply to be a GK because I am not willing to have to re learn the English language to a ebonic style so that they can be understood, learn English if you live in Amwerica not some odd figure speak to make it so you can say less and less. Discussion is what makes thing work, what gives us the understanding to be the people we ar today, and that discussion is being cut away aand lessend to a fewer line of wording. We are a Prioud and Fine Country, lets educate the ones who follow us and make this country stay a Stron and good place to live. [View Quote] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/04 baroJan 19, 2004, 12:55am
awgate = america? You know, probably a good 1/3 of the people there arn't
from the United States. Also, man, I love this thread! Poorly written attack on bad grammar turns into a huge tirade about "kids these days" and how american isn't as "stron" or "Prioud" as it should be. Also, as much as I can't stand the US or its culture/education system, you really shouldn't judge it by the content found in an online chat program. For most of these kids it isn't "real" so they can say and do things they'd never dare to in "real life". For example, I doubt you'd stand up on a soapbox in the middle of your school and launch into this slurred rant you just dumped on us, just as most of those kids don't act like SUCH shits in real life. Anyways, go get involved in local school politics or something, and for the love of god proof read just a little. I'm not one to nit-pick spelin' and "grammer" but good god woman, I can't understand half of that. princess nerwenJan 19, 2004, 3:12am
Please understand it is part of this place we call america that most
other countries residents want to come because the place they live is not as good or they are not treated with the same respect. Yet the children of America have the Ability to be good upstanding American Citizens, yet they chose to be gang bangers or bad children, because mom and dad have other things to do thatn to take care of the child they brought into this world, and it's because of many other influences that has brought this American to this time. [View Quote] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/04 rossyboyJan 19, 2004, 2:36pm
rossyboyJan 19, 2004, 2:39pm
Wether or not America is the best country in the world is up to debate.
"Great anf *free* country"? Stop living in the past... [View Quote] > Please understand it is part of this place we call america that most > other countries residents want to come because the place they live is > not as good or they are not treated with the same respect. Yet the > children of America have the Ability to be good upstanding American > Citizens, yet they chose to be gang bangers or bad children, because mom > and dad have other things to do thatn to take care of the child they > brought into this world, and it's because of many other influences that > has brought this American to this time. [View Quote] lady murasakiJan 19, 2004, 5:36pm
Despite the subject line the valid points of the original post seems to have
been lost. I read it as meaning a welcome back to the community newsgroup and a request for civility and above all patience with each other. We are a WORLD COMMUNITY online. Lady Murasaki [View Quote] count draculaJan 20, 2004, 3:55am
princess nerwen <jennifer755 at cox.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:400b3898$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... "We are a Great and Free Country" LMAO Drac count draculaJan 20, 2004, 4:01am
From this I can only draw the conclusion that you have not traveled much,
neither have much information about the rest of the world. That type of ignorance is always dangerous. USA is becomming more and more what Sovjet was in the 70ies. Closed, undemocratic, hostile and people living there is about the loose their freedom totally due to laws that are made to restrict and supervise...etc etc blah Drac princess nerwen <jennifer755 at cox.net> kirjoitti viestissä:400b6726$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Please understand it is part of this place we call america that most > other countries residents want to come because the place they live is > not as good or they are not treated with the same respect. Yet the > children of America have the Ability to be good upstanding American > Citizens, yet they chose to be gang bangers or bad children, because mom > and dad have other things to do thatn to take care of the child they > brought into this world, and it's because of many other influences that > has brought this American to this time. [View Quote] harvestmoonJan 20, 2004, 8:50am
One Foreign commentary on America...
We rarely get a chance to see another country's editorial about the USA and sadly, we rarely get to see this kind of write up in our own news papers. This is an excerpt from a Romanian Newspaper. The article was written by Mr. Cornel Nistorescu and published under the title "C"ntarea Americii" meaning "Ode To America") on September 24, 2002, in the Romanian newspaper Evenimentulzilei ("The Daily Event" or "News of the Day"). ~An Ode to America~ Why are Americans so united? They would not resemble one another even if you painted them all one color! They speak all the languages of the world and form an astonishing mixture of civilizations and religious beliefs. Still, the American tragedy turned three hundred million people into a hand put on the heart. Nobody rushed to accuse the White House, the army, and the secret services that they are only a bunch of losers. Nobody rushed to empty their bank accounts. Nobody rushed out onto the streets nearby to gape about. The Americans volunteered to donate blood and to give a helping hand. After the first moments of panic, they raised their flag over the smoking ruins, putting on T-shirts, caps and ties in the colors of the national flag. They placed flags on buildings and cars as if in every place and on every car a government official or the president was passing. On every occasion, they started singing their traditional song: "God Bless America!" I watched the live broadcast and rerun after rerun for hours listening to the story of the guy who went down one hundred floors with a woman in a wheelchair without knowing who she was, or of the Californian hockey player, who gave his life fighting with the terrorists and prevented the plane from hitting a target that could have killed other hundreds or thousands of people. How on earth were they able to respond united as one human being? Imperceptibly, with every word and musical note, the memory of some turned into a modern myth of tragic heroes. And with every phone call, millions and millions of dollars were put in a collection aimed at rewarding not a man or a family, but a spirit, which no money can buy. What on earth can unite the Americans in such a way? Their land? Their galloping history? Their economic Power? Money? I tried for hours to find an answer, humming songs and murmuring phrases with the risk of sounding commonplace. I thought things over, but I reached only one conclusion...Only freedom can work such miracles. [View Quote] daphneJan 20, 2004, 11:43am
Spoken like a person that is becoming fairly well-known to talk out of his
butt hole... How about you find that rock you just crawled out from under and go back under it??? Listen, Drac... I think on the surface that you are a pretty nice man but every chance you get you put America and Americans down.... Does everyone in your country feel like you do about America??? How about you get your government to stop accepting any money or other favors from our ignorant, over-bearing country and then maybe you can rest easier and we can stop our hard earned resources from going to a country that evidently hates us??? [View Quote] carolannJan 20, 2004, 4:51pm
A world community online is exactly what attracted me to AW 5 years ago. I
sure wish it hadn't changed, (or maybe it had always been that way and I was just fortunate enough to not have experienced it for the first 2-3 years). I was surprised and very hurt to see it for the first time. And very disappointed. I, for one, didn't come here as an American at all but because of my interest in VR. I was, though, compelled to "morph" from virtual citizen back to US citizen when someone, sometime chose to highlight one over the other. Like the Italian immigrant wrote home to his family shortly after he first arrived a century ago, "I came to America because I heard the streets were paved with gold. When I got here, I found out three things. First, the streets weren't paved with gold; second, they weren't paved at all; and third, I was expected to pave them," if you look at the U.S. as if you are focusing through a microscope to find it's flaws, you will surely find what you are looking for. If that is all you want to see, that's all you will see. If you try to see what's good about it, you'd have to be blind to miss it all. The citizens, newcomers or distant US watchers who expect perfection and "streets paved with gold" are probably not the ones who will love this country for what it is. Most of us are proud to have been doing our own version of "paving the streets" since we've been old enough to leave home by ourselves, but we are also free to express our dissatisfactions (and try to do something to change things). The people who feel that it's a great country are the ones who do something to make their little part of it what it is to most of us, and/or the one's who benefit from those who do. The vast majority are proud to call it home, as are the countless immigrants who cross our borders every year. We are made up of almost a third of a billion individuals, not one collective personality. It's the same way where you (not meaning Lady Murasaki) live? Then why single us out, we are not so different from each other. [View Quote] count draculaJan 21, 2004, 8:36am
Yes I have not bothered much taking part in these discussions lately.
It is not true that I put america down at every chance I get, every time I have something good to say I do that also; lately I have just do not found anything good... What money would that be Daphne ? As far as I know Finland has never recived a penny (cent) from USA. It is not that I hate america and americans, on the contrary, I like both. I just makes me sad seeing you go downhill, and worst part is you do not even notice it your self. You sit in a sledge that is steered my a total idiot and most people seem to be happy with it. Nobody care that the value of the dollar keeps going down, nobody seems to care how much some war in some distat country far away cost, nobody seem to care that the president has connection to the war industry, nobody seems to care that people all over the world start to hate usa more and more.... WAKE UP PEOPLE ! It is soon too late; might already be. Stop beliving the all the propaganda your goverment feed you. I do not only critisize USA, I am very much anti-EU also. As soon as someone prize and speak good of EU, I will bash him/her it for it also. It is nothing personal, it is just that I hate imperialism. I wish people would learn from history, all imperials fall down in the end, egypt, Rome, nazi german, and so will also USA and EU, unless they start to take a more humbel attitute, especailly USA should stop the illegal actions that ignores and is against all international laws. Drac daphne <dcoon at notuptopar.com> kirjoitti viestissä:400d307e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Spoken like a person that is becoming fairly well-known to talk out of his > butt hole... How about you find that rock you just crawled out from under > and go back under it??? > > Listen, Drac... I think on the surface that you are a pretty nice man but > every chance you get you put America and Americans down.... Does everyone > in your country feel like you do about America??? How about you get your > government to stop accepting any money or other favors from our ignorant, > over-bearing country and then maybe you can rest easier and we can stop our > hard earned resources from going to a country that evidently hates us??? > > [View Quote] count draculaJan 21, 2004, 8:46am
Oh and please people notice the hostile tone.
I critizise a system and she gets personal. You people should learn to make a differens between political disputes and personal attack. I think here is the root of all problems. Someone says something bad about something in USA, and americans rush to kill that person. If someone says something bad about Europe, I will probably agree, and if not I try to think why the other person think as he do. When people stop to be critical toward their goverments, it is the first step toward dictatory. I do not call you a bitch that wants power and do not have a clue how tou use or have no idea of how to fair either, do I ? Drac daphne <dcoon at notuptopar.com> kirjoitti viestissä:400d307e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Spoken like a person that is becoming fairly well-known to talk out of his > butt hole... How about you find that rock you just crawled out from under > and go back under it??? > > Listen, Drac... I think on the surface that you are a pretty nice man but > every chance you get you put America and Americans down.... Does everyone > in your country feel like you do about America??? How about you get your > government to stop accepting any money or other favors from our ignorant, > over-bearing country and then maybe you can rest easier and we can stop our > hard earned resources from going to a country that evidently hates us??? > carolannJan 21, 2004, 5:50pm
Well I suppose it's not what you said (in your last post anyway, that of
course is fair to debate and very impersonal as you have stated it there) but how you said it. The entire 8 word post was >princess nerwen >: "We are a Great and Free Country" >Count Dracula: "LMAO" I think when you laugh at someone it ceases being debate and becomes insulting, personal or not. You can't expect people to take kindly to that. And the other point, as made by Lady Murasaki, was, this is supposed to be a world community and it would be nice if it felt like we all had something in common here, even in our disagreements. (virtual, not real life). [View Quote] count draculaJan 21, 2004, 6:35pm
First of all, nice to see that you are still around CarolAnn.
Well, what other can one do than laugh at such a statement ? Well, cry of course. It was not meant as an insult towards anyone, but when someone is 100% sure they are the best and even refuse to see any faults, I just think it is not only sad but scary also. I cannot help thinking of Nazi German " Ein Reich, ein Folk", where people where made to belive that they are the best in the world, and therefore was also entiteled to "liberate" other countries and get rid of the " bad people". The day USA has the lowest crime, best school system, best healt care, no censorship of press, stop attacking foreign countries, stop having prisoners on some island without court, get rid of death penalty, start treating prisoners with decency etc. That day I will start speaking good of it. I hope you understand that it is not the avarage people I am bashing; I know they are just like me and you, but it is the system that I am against. I am against imperialism, may it be USA, Sovjet or EU. I know people dislike me now, but I could bet my head that if we could have this conversation 50 years later, many who now hate me, would maybe agree with me then. But I guess humans are stupid creatures who need to make the same mistakes over and over in history. It is just scary that whilst beeing stupid human is also intelligent enough to build equipment that can destroy the entire globe we live on. With all the respect towards the people of USA, Drac carolann <carolannh at charter.net> kirjoitti viestissä:400ed810$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > Well I suppose it's not what you said (in your last post anyway, that of > course is fair to debate and very impersonal as you have stated it there) > but how you said it. The entire 8 word post was > > > > I think when you laugh at someone it ceases being debate and becomes > insulting, personal or not. You can't expect people to take kindly to that. > > And the other point, as made by Lady Murasaki, was, this is supposed to be a > world community and it would be nice if it felt like we all had something in > common here, even in our disagreements. (virtual, not real life). > > [View Quote] xelagJan 21, 2004, 8:08pm
With all due respect :)
It often seems that people from the USA think that their country has the best score: best system, best laws, best democracy, (even best language LOL), best etc. This is offensive to many of us, because it denies our right to live the way we think fit. No country or region has the best, not us nor you. Although the AW system is USA based (great with me) it does not mean automatically that it is the USA. The world is much wider than that, luckily. This statement is not intended to offend or diminish the citizens of the USA. It is simply meant to make them realise that the world is not the USA, but is much wider, and that human history has shaped different regions with their own values. This includes the USA. If you believe in God (no offence meant), then think: this world was not created for the benefit of the USA. If you don't believe in God (no offence meant), then this world has a population of millions of humans, and they are trying to survive with cultural and other differences. We all have our good and bad points :) Alex On 21 Jan 2004 14:50:40 -0500, "carolann" <carolannh at charter.net> [View Quote] >Well I suppose it's not what you said (in your last post anyway, that of >course is fair to debate and very impersonal as you have stated it there) >but how you said it. The entire 8 word post was > > > >I think when you laugh at someone it ceases being debate and becomes >insulting, personal or not. You can't expect people to take kindly to that. > >And the other point, as made by Lady Murasaki, was, this is supposed to be a >world community and it would be nice if it felt like we all had something in >common here, even in our disagreements. (virtual, not real life). > > [View Quote] sweetsuzieJan 21, 2004, 8:41pm
One of the things that attracted me to Activeworlds was its diverse culture.
I finally got to meet and talk with people from all around the world. For someone who doesn't travel it was very exciting and still is! I never thought of AW as being "american", I thought of it as a worldwide community. I have been with AW since 1998 and have met some wonderful people (and some not so wonderful). I came into AW without any prior misconceptions of any person from any country or about any country only to find a lot of people did have, and still do, some misconceptions about my country, Australia. The difference is these people ask questions that I am only too happy to answer (although if I have to say Crikey! one more time I think I will scream!! The Croc Hunter is a boofhead, always has been, always will be!). I have also asked questions about the country that people are from and it is amazing what you find out. One of the first things I found out is that most people are proud of the country they live in and are only too happy to talk about their country and give their opinion. If that translates into arrogance for some then it is the problem of the person who does the translating. We should not stand in judgement of those that are different to us. I would like to ask a question of the americans. What is it that makes an american american? daphneJan 21, 2004, 9:05pm
I don't agree with everything the US government is doing or has done in the
past but I still won't always sit still and watch others bash ALL of the US based on what the politicos do... Hardly all of us agree with any one of them 100% of the time.. We yell at them and cuss them out and give our opinions too... Our opinions work best when ppl vote intelligently but it seems that doesn't happen as often as it should... If it did then how could George W. have gotten elected??? I would have thought having had his father a president would have told the American ppl something!!! :o( Just like other countries down through the ages, the "common" people either believe what they are told or are just too busy putting bread on the table to take on the whole of the political system that has evolved... Believe me, it is now pretty far away from what our ancestors were trying to create... BUT enough of the good we stand for does remain and is still worth fighting for... That's why when you put the USA down you get it right back at you... [View Quote] count draculaJan 21, 2004, 9:54pm
I have never bash ALL of the USA, only about same things you mentioned.
Show me one post I have made bashing ALL of america eg, the people of america and I will apologize. In first paragraph we seem to agree, then again in the second you about forbid saying anything bad about thee allmighty usa, if I do I will get it right back at me. Does not make so much sense to me, does it to you ? I guess same logic as in when some saudi arabic terrorist crash planes in usa, one need to punish iraq ? Drac daphne <dcoon at notuptopar.com> kirjoitti viestissä:400f05d6 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > I don't agree with everything the US government is doing or has done in the > past but I still won't always sit still and watch others bash ALL of the US > based on what the politicos do... Hardly all of us agree with any one of > them 100% of the time.. We yell at them and cuss them out and give our > opinions too... Our opinions work best when ppl vote intelligently but it > seems that doesn't happen as often as it should... If it did then how could > George W. have gotten elected??? I would have thought having had his > father a president would have told the American ppl something!!! :o( > > Just like other countries down through the ages, the "common" people either > believe what they are told or are just too busy putting bread on the table > to take on the whole of the political system that has evolved... Believe > me, it is now pretty far away from what our ancestors were trying to > create... BUT enough of the good we stand for does remain and is still worth > fighting for... That's why when you put the USA down you get it right back > at you... > > [View Quote] carolannJan 21, 2004, 10:05pm
Thanks Drac :-) to one of my favorite AW people always, even when he makes
me so **** mad. But you knew that. Of course we often agree on some of these things, I just mean we should never laugh or put down a thing when we know it will only lead to---well, lead to fighting flames with more flames. By the way, if you could have been watching the political system at work here in the US this last week you would have seen that there are many, many citizens working to elect a new president in a few months. It sure beats overthrowing the present government and having chaos I think. I guess the feeling of some here is that these things are better left alone in a place like this because we can do nothing for it here, and most come just to relax. The reason it seems that it's only Americans that are the ones who are "proud" and think to much of themselves here is because it is we who are the only ones ever talked about in such a way here so have the unpleasant task of having to defend themselves. Makes sense doesn't it? And yes, we do generally have such a "love of country" that the faults we have do not override the goodness. [View Quote] carolannJan 21, 2004, 10:07pm
Exactly, exactly, exactly! No one knows that better than most of us-believe
me. But as I said in the previous post, it is Americans who are derided here mostly so it is them that you are likely to hear from about it. When you said that even though AW is US based, it does not mean it is all USA, you see why probably most of us are in it. We wanted to get to know all of you and forget how we are different except in the ways we can learn about and enjoy those things, as well as enjoy what we have in common. By the way, nothing about your post was the least bit offensive so your "no offense meant" was not at all necessary. [View Quote] carolannJan 21, 2004, 10:14pm
I read your post and for a minute I thought it was the one of mine that you
were responding to, even our starting year was the same. Until you started speaking of things Australian, we had the same things to say. Honestly, you are so diplomatic I wasn't sure if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me. It sounds like agreement, but you can never be sure. Diplomacy will always get you one of these----> :-) with me. Anyway, what makes an American an American? Ideally for the average individual anywhere, the biggest differences are location and language. The definitions of good and evil should be the same everywhere, and hopefully there is more good than evil in all of us. [View Quote] |