Matters of good Grammer (Community)

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princess nerwen

Jan 18, 2004, 6:52am
This is a test. Seeing if the NG is actually back up. I do hope so, its
been a long while andthe community needs a good place to discuss the AW
community. Be aware the rules that are in the AWGateway can and should
apply here and you should try to be on your best behavior, there are
many from all over the world that can read this. So lets try to present
a good posture to them and have an understanding with all that are here.


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daphne

Jan 18, 2004, 1:35pm
Gee,,, Are you a GK or just a wannabe? LOL


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mongo

Jan 18, 2004, 2:37pm
Let's see - someone wishes to make a point regarding how we post in this
news group under the title of "Matters of good grammer", misspells grammar,
and proceeds to thrash proper English syntax during their post. Some things
never change. Oh - this is jennifer775 at cox.net in a new nickname. Nevermind.


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tart sugar

Jan 18, 2004, 2:46pm
Well, ya can't make a leopard change their spots. Or can you?
D'OH!!!!

Tart Sugar
I used to be Snow White, but I drifted.

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princess nerwen

Jan 18, 2004, 11:53pm
Actually no I am not a GK and from all the flack and harrassment I got I
am not going to even re-apply because I have a lack of willingness to
sit and just watch though, I do thta anyway and just to see how the
conversations go, and if they get too childish, or gangsta style I just
leave, and not let anyone know I am there. This is not my type ofplace
to hang out, or be a part of. That was why the original post, but thta
is gone now too. The Educational levels of the children today is
astonishing at most, and they are no longer learning the three r's like
I did as a child. Readin ritin and Rithmatic, but then I guess basket
weaving, and hard core porno have taken that over, and it is so sad to
see. We have a great Country here, and it took great people to make it
this way, and now because our educational system is less than most 3rd
world countries, it a horrible status to be in, I pray thta it turns, We
need America to be a Strong place, and a good place for all, but the
education system has fallen. I know I know, I am wrong, and I don't know
what I am talking about. Well just sit and listen to the chatter in the
Gateway once in a while, just watch do not participate, and see for
yourself. Wazzup, wassup, and more like it. Where did our fathers take
us to bring us to this point in time? We are a Great and Free Country,
but it's not pleasant to watch our children get potty mouth, and potty
brianed, as you will see many of the "Guys" that frequent the AW gateway
have taken it upon themself to walk around the gate and hit on every
girl there. I know I hide as a birdie to keep this from happening, yet
when I get my regular gate avatar on Jenna they flock and then ask lap
dance and more suggestive lines. Sure that is fun to have happne, but
thi sis a G rated community, and G is not a sexual content included
rating. PG will have light sexual comments,and soft porn to a point,
then PG-17 for those more suggestive actions, then R for the more lude,
and x for full frontal nudity. G is far from X and even PG-17, so that i
s why I never ever plan to re apply to be a GK because I am not willing
to have to re learn the English language to a ebonic style so that they
can be understood, learn English if you live in Amwerica not some odd
figure speak to make it so you can say less and less. Discussion is what
makes thing work, what gives us the understanding to be the people we ar
today, and that discussion is being cut away aand lessend to a fewer
line of wording. We are a Prioud and Fine Country, lets educate the ones
who follow us and make this country stay a Stron and good place to live.
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baro

Jan 19, 2004, 12:55am
awgate = america? You know, probably a good 1/3 of the people there arn't
from the United States.

Also, man, I love this thread! Poorly written attack on bad grammar turns
into a huge tirade about "kids these days" and how american isn't as "stron"
or "Prioud" as it should be. Also, as much as I can't stand the US or its
culture/education system, you really shouldn't judge it by the content found
in an online chat program. For most of these kids it isn't "real" so they
can say and do things they'd never dare to in "real life". For example, I
doubt you'd stand up on a soapbox in the middle of your school and launch
into this slurred rant you just dumped on us, just as most of those kids
don't act like SUCH shits in real life.

Anyways, go get involved in local school politics or something, and for the
love of god proof read just a little. I'm not one to nit-pick spelin' and
"grammer" but good god woman, I can't understand half of that.

ry

Jan 19, 2004, 1:38am
Baro, Im from Australia :)

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princess nerwen

Jan 19, 2004, 3:12am
Please understand it is part of this place we call america that most
other countries residents want to come because the place they live is
not as good or they are not treated with the same respect. Yet the
children of America have the Ability to be good upstanding American
Citizens, yet they chose to be gang bangers or bad children, because mom
and dad have other things to do thatn to take care of the child they
brought into this world, and it's because of many other influences that
has brought this American to this time.
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elyk

Jan 19, 2004, 6:04am
Guess a little of that AW Democracy can fit in here....LMAO


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rossyboy

Jan 19, 2004, 2:36pm
No they are still leaning the three R's... reading, writing, and ritalin.

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rossyboy

Jan 19, 2004, 2:39pm
Wether or not America is the best country in the world is up to debate.
"Great anf *free* country"? Stop living in the past...

[View Quote] > Please understand it is part of this place we call america that most
> other countries residents want to come because the place they live is
> not as good or they are not treated with the same respect. Yet the
> children of America have the Ability to be good upstanding American
> Citizens, yet they chose to be gang bangers or bad children, because mom
> and dad have other things to do thatn to take care of the child they
> brought into this world, and it's because of many other influences that
> has brought this American to this time.
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lady murasaki

Jan 19, 2004, 5:36pm
Despite the subject line the valid points of the original post seems to have
been lost. I read it as meaning a welcome back to the community newsgroup
and a request for civility and above all patience with each other. We are a
WORLD COMMUNITY online.

Lady Murasaki


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count dracula

Jan 20, 2004, 3:55am
princess nerwen <jennifer755 at cox.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:400b3898$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...


"We are a Great and Free Country"


LMAO

Drac

count dracula

Jan 20, 2004, 4:01am
From this I can only draw the conclusion that you have not traveled much,
neither have much information about the rest of the world.
That type of ignorance is always dangerous. USA is becomming more and more
what Sovjet was in the 70ies. Closed, undemocratic, hostile and people
living there is about the loose their freedom totally due to laws that are
made to restrict and supervise...etc etc blah

Drac

princess nerwen <jennifer755 at cox.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:400b6726$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Please understand it is part of this place we call america that most
> other countries residents want to come because the place they live is
> not as good or they are not treated with the same respect. Yet the
> children of America have the Ability to be good upstanding American
> Citizens, yet they chose to be gang bangers or bad children, because mom
> and dad have other things to do thatn to take care of the child they
> brought into this world, and it's because of many other influences that
> has brought this American to this time.
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harvestmoon

Jan 20, 2004, 8:50am
One Foreign commentary on America...


We rarely get a chance to see another country's editorial about the
USA and sadly, we rarely get to see this kind of write up in our own news
papers.

This is an excerpt from a Romanian Newspaper. The article was
written by Mr. Cornel Nistorescu and published under the title
"C"ntarea Americii" meaning "Ode To America") on September 24,
2002, in the Romanian newspaper Evenimentulzilei ("The Daily
Event" or "News of the Day").

~An Ode to America~

Why are Americans so united? They would not resemble one another
even if you painted them all one color! They speak all the
languages of the world and form an astonishing mixture of
civilizations and religious beliefs. Still, the American tragedy
turned three hundred million people into a hand put on the heart.
Nobody rushed to accuse the White House, the army, and the secret
services that they are only a bunch of losers. Nobody rushed to
empty their bank accounts. Nobody rushed out onto the streets
nearby to gape about. The Americans volunteered to donate blood and
to give a helping hand.

After the first moments of panic, they raised their flag over the
smoking ruins, putting on T-shirts, caps and ties in the colors of
the national flag. They placed flags on buildings and cars as if
in every place and on every car a government official or the
president was passing.

On every occasion, they started singing their traditional song:
"God Bless America!" I watched the live broadcast and rerun after
rerun for hours listening to the story of the guy who went down
one hundred floors with a woman in a wheelchair without knowing
who she was, or of the Californian hockey player, who gave his
life fighting with the terrorists and prevented the plane from
hitting a target that could have killed other hundreds or
thousands of people.

How on earth were they able to respond united as one human being?
Imperceptibly, with every word and musical note, the memory of some
turned into a modern myth of tragic heroes. And with every phone
call, millions and millions of dollars were put in a collection
aimed at rewarding not a man or a family, but a spirit, which no
money can buy.

What on earth can unite the Americans in such a way? Their land?
Their galloping history? Their economic Power? Money? I tried for
hours to find an answer, humming songs and murmuring phrases with
the risk of sounding commonplace.

I thought things over, but I reached only one conclusion...Only
freedom can work such miracles.

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daphne

Jan 20, 2004, 11:43am
Spoken like a person that is becoming fairly well-known to talk out of his
butt hole... How about you find that rock you just crawled out from under
and go back under it???

Listen, Drac... I think on the surface that you are a pretty nice man but
every chance you get you put America and Americans down.... Does everyone
in your country feel like you do about America??? How about you get your
government to stop accepting any money or other favors from our ignorant,
over-bearing country and then maybe you can rest easier and we can stop our
hard earned resources from going to a country that evidently hates us???


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daphne

Jan 20, 2004, 11:44am
What I said to Drac goes for you too, Rossyboy


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daphne

Jan 20, 2004, 11:45am
Amen, and thank you for that, Harvestmoon...


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carolann

Jan 20, 2004, 4:51pm
A world community online is exactly what attracted me to AW 5 years ago. I
sure wish it hadn't changed, (or maybe it had always been that way and I was
just fortunate enough to not have experienced it for the first 2-3 years). I
was surprised and very hurt to see it for the first time. And very
disappointed. I, for one, didn't come here as an American at all but because
of my interest in VR. I was, though, compelled to "morph" from virtual
citizen back to US citizen when someone, sometime chose to highlight one
over the other.

Like the Italian immigrant wrote home to his family shortly after he first
arrived a century ago, "I came to America because I heard the streets were
paved with gold. When I got here, I found out three things. First, the
streets weren't paved with gold; second, they weren't paved at all; and
third, I was expected to pave them," if you look at the U.S. as if you are
focusing through a microscope to find it's flaws, you will surely find what
you are looking for. If that is all you want to see, that's all you will
see. If you try to see what's good about it, you'd have to be blind to miss
it all. The citizens, newcomers or distant US watchers who expect perfection
and "streets paved with gold" are probably not the ones who will love this
country for what it is. Most of us are proud to have been doing our own
version of "paving the streets" since we've been old enough to leave home by
ourselves, but we are also free to express our dissatisfactions (and try to
do something to change things). The people who feel that it's a great
country are the ones who do something to make their little part of it what
it is to most of us, and/or the one's who benefit from those who do. The
vast majority are proud to call it home, as are the countless immigrants who
cross our borders every year. We are made up of almost a third of a billion
individuals, not one collective personality. It's the same way where you
(not meaning Lady Murasaki) live? Then why single us out, we are not so
different from each other.

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count dracula

Jan 21, 2004, 8:36am
Yes I have not bothered much taking part in these discussions lately.

It is not true that I put america down at every chance I get, every time I
have something good to say I do that also; lately I have just do not found
anything good...

What money would that be Daphne ? As far as I know Finland has never recived
a penny (cent) from USA.

It is not that I hate america and americans, on the contrary, I like both. I
just makes me sad seeing you go downhill, and worst part is you do not even
notice it your self. You sit in a sledge that is steered my a total idiot
and most people seem to be happy with it.
Nobody care that the value of the dollar keeps going down, nobody seems to
care how much some war in some distat country far away cost, nobody seem to
care that the president has connection to the war industry, nobody seems to
care that people all over the world start to hate usa more and more....

WAKE UP PEOPLE ! It is soon too late; might already be. Stop beliving the
all the propaganda your goverment feed you.

I do not only critisize USA, I am very much anti-EU also. As soon as someone
prize and speak good of EU, I will bash him/her it for it also.
It is nothing personal, it is just that I hate imperialism. I wish people
would learn from history, all imperials fall down in the end, egypt, Rome,
nazi german, and so will also USA and EU, unless they start to take a more
humbel attitute, especailly USA should stop the illegal actions that ignores
and is against all international laws.

Drac
daphne <dcoon at notuptopar.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:400d307e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Spoken like a person that is becoming fairly well-known to talk out of his
> butt hole... How about you find that rock you just crawled out from
under
> and go back under it???
>
> Listen, Drac... I think on the surface that you are a pretty nice man but
> every chance you get you put America and Americans down.... Does
everyone
> in your country feel like you do about America??? How about you get your
> government to stop accepting any money or other favors from our ignorant,
> over-bearing country and then maybe you can rest easier and we can stop
our
> hard earned resources from going to a country that evidently hates us???
>
>
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count dracula

Jan 21, 2004, 8:46am
Oh and please people notice the hostile tone.

I critizise a system and she gets personal. You people should learn to make
a differens between political disputes and personal attack.
I think here is the root of all problems. Someone says something bad about
something in USA, and americans rush to kill that person.
If someone says something bad about Europe, I will probably agree, and if
not I try to think why the other person think as he do.
When people stop to be critical toward their goverments, it is the first
step toward dictatory.

I do not call you a bitch that wants power and do not have a clue how tou
use or have no idea of how to fair either, do I ?

Drac
daphne <dcoon at notuptopar.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:400d307e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Spoken like a person that is becoming fairly well-known to talk out of his
> butt hole... How about you find that rock you just crawled out from
under
> and go back under it???
>
> Listen, Drac... I think on the surface that you are a pretty nice man but
> every chance you get you put America and Americans down.... Does
everyone
> in your country feel like you do about America??? How about you get your
> government to stop accepting any money or other favors from our ignorant,
> over-bearing country and then maybe you can rest easier and we can stop
our
> hard earned resources from going to a country that evidently hates us???
>

carolann

Jan 21, 2004, 5:50pm
Well I suppose it's not what you said (in your last post anyway, that of
course is fair to debate and very impersonal as you have stated it there)
but how you said it. The entire 8 word post was

>princess nerwen

>: "We are a Great and Free Country"
>Count Dracula: "LMAO"

I think when you laugh at someone it ceases being debate and becomes
insulting, personal or not. You can't expect people to take kindly to that.

And the other point, as made by Lady Murasaki, was, this is supposed to be a
world community and it would be nice if it felt like we all had something in
common here, even in our disagreements. (virtual, not real life).


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count dracula

Jan 21, 2004, 6:35pm
First of all, nice to see that you are still around CarolAnn.

Well, what other can one do than laugh at such a statement ? Well, cry of
course.

It was not meant as an insult towards anyone, but when someone is 100% sure
they are the best and even refuse to see any faults, I just think it is not
only sad but scary also. I cannot help thinking of Nazi German " Ein Reich,
ein Folk", where people where made to belive that they are the best in the
world, and therefore was also entiteled to "liberate" other countries and
get rid of the " bad people".

The day USA has the lowest crime, best school system, best healt care, no
censorship of press, stop attacking foreign countries, stop having prisoners
on some island without court, get rid of death penalty, start treating
prisoners with decency etc. That day I will start speaking good of it. I
hope you understand that it is not the avarage people I am bashing; I know
they are just like me and you, but it is the system that I am against. I am
against imperialism, may it be USA, Sovjet or EU. I know people dislike me
now, but I could bet my head that if we could have this conversation 50
years later, many who now hate me, would maybe agree with me then. But I
guess humans are stupid creatures who need to make the same mistakes over
and over in history. It is just scary that whilst beeing stupid human is
also intelligent enough to build equipment that can destroy the entire globe
we live on.

With all the respect towards the people of USA, Drac

carolann <carolannh at charter.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:400ed810$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Well I suppose it's not what you said (in your last post anyway, that of
> course is fair to debate and very impersonal as you have stated it there)
> but how you said it. The entire 8 word post was
>
>
>
> I think when you laugh at someone it ceases being debate and becomes
> insulting, personal or not. You can't expect people to take kindly to
that.
>
> And the other point, as made by Lady Murasaki, was, this is supposed to be
a
> world community and it would be nice if it felt like we all had something
in
> common here, even in our disagreements. (virtual, not real life).
>
>
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xelag

Jan 21, 2004, 8:08pm
With all due respect :)

It often seems that people from the USA think that their country has
the best score: best system, best laws, best democracy, (even best
language LOL), best etc.

This is offensive to many of us, because it denies our right to live
the way we think fit. No country or region has the best, not us nor
you. Although the AW system is USA based (great with me) it does not
mean automatically that it is the USA. The world is much wider than
that, luckily.

This statement is not intended to offend or diminish the citizens of
the USA. It is simply meant to make them realise that the world is
not the USA, but is much wider, and that human history has shaped
different regions with their own values. This includes the USA.

If you believe in God (no offence meant), then think: this world was
not created for the benefit of the USA. If you don't believe in God
(no offence meant), then this world has a population of millions of
humans, and they are trying to survive with cultural and other
differences. We all have our good and bad points :)

Alex

On 21 Jan 2004 14:50:40 -0500, "carolann" <carolannh at charter.net>
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>course is fair to debate and very impersonal as you have stated it there)
>but how you said it. The entire 8 word post was
>
>
>
>I think when you laugh at someone it ceases being debate and becomes
>insulting, personal or not. You can't expect people to take kindly to that.
>
>And the other point, as made by Lady Murasaki, was, this is supposed to be a
>world community and it would be nice if it felt like we all had something in
>common here, even in our disagreements. (virtual, not real life).
>
>
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sweetsuzie

Jan 21, 2004, 8:41pm
One of the things that attracted me to Activeworlds was its diverse culture.
I finally got to meet and talk with people from all around the world. For
someone who doesn't travel it was very exciting and still is! I never
thought of AW as being "american", I thought of it as a worldwide community.

I have been with AW since 1998 and have met some wonderful people (and some
not so wonderful). I came into AW without any prior misconceptions of any
person from any country or about any country only to find a lot of people
did have, and still do, some misconceptions about my country, Australia. The
difference is these people ask questions that I am only too happy to answer
(although if I have to say Crikey! one more time I think I will scream!! The
Croc Hunter is a boofhead, always has been, always will be!). I have also
asked questions about the country that people are from and it is amazing
what you find out.

One of the first things I found out is that most people are proud of the
country they live in and are only too happy to talk about their country and
give their opinion. If that translates into arrogance for some then it is
the problem of the person who does the translating. We should not stand in
judgement of those that are different to us.

I would like to ask a question of the americans. What is it that makes an
american american?

daphne

Jan 21, 2004, 9:05pm
I don't agree with everything the US government is doing or has done in the
past but I still won't always sit still and watch others bash ALL of the US
based on what the politicos do... Hardly all of us agree with any one of
them 100% of the time.. We yell at them and cuss them out and give our
opinions too... Our opinions work best when ppl vote intelligently but it
seems that doesn't happen as often as it should... If it did then how could
George W. have gotten elected??? I would have thought having had his
father a president would have told the American ppl something!!! :o(

Just like other countries down through the ages, the "common" people either
believe what they are told or are just too busy putting bread on the table
to take on the whole of the political system that has evolved... Believe
me, it is now pretty far away from what our ancestors were trying to
create... BUT enough of the good we stand for does remain and is still worth
fighting for... That's why when you put the USA down you get it right back
at you...


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count dracula

Jan 21, 2004, 9:54pm
I have never bash ALL of the USA, only about same things you mentioned.
Show me one post I have made bashing ALL of america eg, the people of
america and I will apologize.

In first paragraph we seem to agree, then again in the second you about
forbid saying anything bad about thee allmighty usa, if I do I will get it
right back at me. Does not make so much sense to me, does it to you ?

I guess same logic as in when some saudi arabic terrorist crash planes in
usa, one need to punish iraq ?

Drac


daphne <dcoon at notuptopar.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:400f05d6 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I don't agree with everything the US government is doing or has done in
the
> past but I still won't always sit still and watch others bash ALL of the
US
> based on what the politicos do... Hardly all of us agree with any one of
> them 100% of the time.. We yell at them and cuss them out and give our
> opinions too... Our opinions work best when ppl vote intelligently but it
> seems that doesn't happen as often as it should... If it did then how
could
> George W. have gotten elected??? I would have thought having had his
> father a president would have told the American ppl something!!! :o(
>
> Just like other countries down through the ages, the "common" people
either
> believe what they are told or are just too busy putting bread on the table
> to take on the whole of the political system that has evolved... Believe
> me, it is now pretty far away from what our ancestors were trying to
> create... BUT enough of the good we stand for does remain and is still
worth
> fighting for... That's why when you put the USA down you get it right
back
> at you...
>
>
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carolann

Jan 21, 2004, 10:05pm
Thanks Drac :-) to one of my favorite AW people always, even when he makes
me so **** mad. But you knew that. Of course we often agree on some of these
things, I just mean we should never laugh or put down a thing when we know
it will only lead to---well, lead to fighting flames with more flames. By
the way, if you could have been watching the political system at work here
in the US this last week you would have seen that there are many, many
citizens working to elect a new president in a few months. It sure beats
overthrowing the present government and having chaos I think. I guess the
feeling of some here is that these things are better left alone in a place
like this because we can do nothing for it here, and most come just to
relax. The reason it seems that it's only Americans that are the ones who
are "proud" and think to much of themselves here is because it is we who are
the only ones ever talked about in such a way here so have the unpleasant
task of having to defend themselves. Makes sense doesn't it? And yes, we do
generally have such a "love of country" that the faults we have do not
override the goodness.

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carolann

Jan 21, 2004, 10:07pm
Exactly, exactly, exactly! No one knows that better than most of us-believe
me. But as I said in the previous post, it is Americans who are derided here
mostly so it is them that you are likely to hear from about it. When you
said that even though AW is US based, it does not mean it is all USA, you
see why probably most of us are in it. We wanted to get to know all of you
and forget how we are different except in the ways we can learn about and
enjoy those things, as well as enjoy what we have in common. By the way,
nothing about your post was the least bit offensive so your "no offense
meant" was not at all necessary.

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carolann

Jan 21, 2004, 10:14pm
I read your post and for a minute I thought it was the one of mine that you
were responding to, even our starting year was the same. Until you started
speaking of things Australian, we had the same things to say. Honestly, you
are so diplomatic I wasn't sure if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.
It sounds like agreement, but you can never be sure. Diplomacy will always
get you one of these----> :-) with me. Anyway, what makes an American an
American? Ideally for the average individual anywhere, the biggest
differences are location and language. The definitions of good and evil
should be the same everywhere, and hopefully there is more good than evil in
all of us.

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