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Jan 23, 2004, 4:16pm

binarybud <leo at realPANTStourvision.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:40112ea3$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
[View Quote] Well, they have not find anything, have they ?
Or do you mean CIA has not yet had time to plant them there? ( they usually
are quite fast though)
>
>
> Remember, the USA has NO BEEF with the people of Iraq....only their bully,
Saddam and his regeme.

I guess it is ok to shoot people one has no beef with also , yes. Sorry I
forgot
>
>
> No, in my opinion Bush was just more powerful that Iraq's Bully.
> Some people pick the side of the underdog everytime.....you seem like that
type.

I tend to pick the side of the weaker yes. It would be too easy to always
chear for the stronger one. The day China attacks USA and it seems USA is
going to loose, I will pick the side of USA.
Getting rid of Saddam was not a bad thing it inself, but going against
international laws was. That is the fact I am most upset over
If he has no respect of what others think, how can he expect people to
respect him?
I would say he simply scare us. It would be good to have an IQ over 70 if
one is that powerfull.
>
>
> And, you don't have to believe just me....look futher for your own facts.
>
> Leo :)

I belive my and yours fact will never meet; who knows maybe the truth is
somewhere in the middle,

Drac
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Jan 23, 2004, 4:46pm

First off your way too biased to be a judge...and second ....define "hot" hot enough to melt foam cup? or just hot enough to burn mouth? you have simplistic answers to very tough questions. i call that being ignorant.

you for sure not an ignorant person but you have ignorant views.

look up definition for ignorant before your insulted...;)

no offense meant.

Leo :)


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Jan 23, 2004, 8:55pm

As I said, this is a non winnable arguement on both sides. Count me out.

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Jan 23, 2004, 9:50pm

Excuse me, .........maybe I didnt' make myself clear earlier. I never said
9/11 was the reason for this war. It was only the tip of the proverbial
iceburg that began years ago and yes, the leaders of many nations wanted to
put an end to Hussein's dictatorship, ........and yes, they also wanted to
capture Bin Laden and put all that to an end, but it took the day of 9/11 to
bring everybody in the world (except for you of course) to rally up enough
anger and enough bravery and enough volunteers, yes..... I said
VOLUNTEERS..... to go after these two terrorist leaders. True, most of our
military are paid, not very well, but they are paid. Do you, in your little
isolated frame of mind, have any idea how many volunteers came forward to
try to fight for life as we know it??? Too many to count. Not only as
soldiers, but clerical, medical, relief aid, computers, you name it, they
volunteered and NOT just from the USA but also from other countries,
including Finland. Again, I will tell you, as will most other people here,
before you go blasting ANYBODY get the facts first. Oh, and by the way, Bush
would never target any Jews, Blacks, Catholics, twins, Asians, Indians or
Gays to bring himself to power like Hitler did. Hitler was insane. He
thought he was God. He believed that genocide was the only way he could
raise a nation of blonde haired, blue eyed people. And there is a HUGE
difference tween Hitler and Bush so dont' even go there. Bush is not a
dictator, he is the leader of a nation that is determined to wipe out
terrorists and to show them that it won't be tolerated anymore. Have you
even been following how the people of Iraq feel???? Yes they have no
electricity. Yes they need fresh drinking water and food. Yes they need
shelter cus we destroyed their houses. Yes a lot of their people died.
But...... they are now free to think and speak and act the way they want
to do it. They don't have that awful oppression of being afraid of saying
something wrong and getting arrested or tortured. They don't have to worry
about their children's education anymore. Are you aware that the girls were
not allowed to learn to read or write in school? Are you aware that if a
woman lied to her husband, he had the right to shoot her in the head in a
public square? Are you aware that most of the Iraqi people are celebrating
their new freedom and starting to set up their new government? I don't know
where you get your warped views on things. Don't go blaming the CIA for the
news you see on CNN or other international broadcasts. You're an idiot if
you think the CIA twists around the news to suit their purpose. Do they fake
the photos too? And the film clips? And the dead bodies? Hmmmmm, come to
think of it, maybe the CIA is to blame for the ozone layer being depleted
too. Maybe the CIA is REALLY making it easier for UFO's to sneak in and spy
on us. >_<

And by the way, I NEVER said.... and I don't believe,... that the USA is the
best country in the whole world. But if I had to decide where I'd rather
live, it would definately be either the USA or Canada. Not because of biased
opinions from other people, but because I have traveled in both countries,
not alot, but enough to feel at home here. And I enjoy my freedom and
because my family is here. I am proud of my country, for what the people
have fought for and believe in. Just like you are proud of your country for
your own reasons. And everybody should have that same pride no matter where
they live. I have every RIGHT to stand up for my country, even if you find
faults with it, and so does Binary Bud, and CarolAnn. The people who live in
England have a right to stand up for their country too if someone like you
comes along and tries to insult what they take pride in. If you don't enjoy
living in a certain country, you don't have to stay there (unlike Cubans,
but that's a different story). So, back off bucko. You have only visited one
tiny section of the USA. That does NOT make you an expert. Nor does the
filtered news you follow. Until you've traveled a year in my moccassins, you
cannot comment on where I live. Or something like that. LOL




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Jan 23, 2004, 10:54pm

I can tell it is not much use of discussing with you, because you are so
brainwashed that noting will bite on you.

I will say a few thing you can think on though.

Osama is a terrorist leader, Saddam is/ was not. He was the president of his
country just as Bush is of his country.
I do not see anything wrong with voulentaring as medicals etc.
I also agree that many wanted to end Husseins dictaorship, but I doubt that
so many wished Iraq to be under a foregn command; especailly one nation
instead.
Maybe you also can tell me when the power is given back to the iraqi people
? I am not now refering to the goverment named by USA, but a goverment
elected by the iraqis.
Maybe you also want to explain to me why every day there are gun fights on
daily basis and why people are protesting against coalition there.
Maybe you also can tell how it comes that about all rebuilding contracts has
happened to end up to US companies?
Maybe you also can tell how it happened that Saddam of 20 dictators was the
one that suddenly needed to be eliminated?

I also want to remind you that Hitler was elected by the german people,
unlike Saddam who was pointed to his place by a foreign nation. Guess who?
Maybe that fact itself should give a clue not to mess with other peoples
business.

I think I can compare Hitler to Bush, both wanted good for their own people
( but failed/fails).
Hitler used jews as bad guys, Bush the muslims
Hitler ignored the public opionion and liberated Poland, Bush ignored and
liberated Iraq
Hitler might think he was god, Bush belives he is working for god ( in the
name of god)
In Nazi Germany one burned books, in USA records of Dixie Chicks....
When France was aginst the war, some people were burning the france flag,
and some renamed french fries to freedom fried; adult sane behaviour?

Of course as a good citizen you are not supposed to question any actions of
CIA, the people in Sovjet was not supposed to question KGB either. If you
think CIA do not have its dirt laundry and cover up, you really are not a
smart person. All countries has done "bad" things that they cover up. It is
just when it is a country with a lot of power the causes results take much
vider propositions.
I would not even be surprised if CIA knew about 9/11, but did not do
anything. Sovjet is gone so of course one need a new bad guy, and who would
be better than muslims.
As you pointed out they have different laws, so they must be barbarians. I
want to remind you that USA also has death penalty. USA also keeps prisoner
at Guantamo, without no trial, no conviction. That is against the law, but
of course USA do not care, because they are powerfull enough to be the bulli
that nobody can do anything to.
Go ahead and love your country blind, refuse to see the faults, I just hope
your children will not have to suffer from it

The news. Most of the press was embedded, which mean they broadcast what is
considered apropiate. I usually like to read news from "both" sides.

Drac



lioness. <nobody at nowhere.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:4011b33d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Excuse me, .........maybe I didnt' make myself clear earlier. I never said
> 9/11 was the reason for this war. It was only the tip of the proverbial
> iceburg that began years ago and yes, the leaders of many nations wanted
to
> put an end to Hussein's dictatorship, ........and yes, they also wanted to
> capture Bin Laden and put all that to an end, but it took the day of 9/11
to
> bring everybody in the world (except for you of course) to rally up enough
> anger and enough bravery and enough volunteers, yes..... I said
> VOLUNTEERS..... to go after these two terrorist leaders. True, most of our
> military are paid, not very well, but they are paid. Do you, in your
little
> isolated frame of mind, have any idea how many volunteers came forward to
> try to fight for life as we know it??? Too many to count. Not only as
> soldiers, but clerical, medical, relief aid, computers, you name it, they
> volunteered and NOT just from the USA but also from other countries,
> including Finland. Again, I will tell you, as will most other people here,
> before you go blasting ANYBODY get the facts first. Oh, and by the way,
Bush
> would never target any Jews, Blacks, Catholics, twins, Asians, Indians or
> Gays to bring himself to power like Hitler did. Hitler was insane. He
> thought he was God. He believed that genocide was the only way he could
> raise a nation of blonde haired, blue eyed people. And there is a HUGE
> difference tween Hitler and Bush so dont' even go there. Bush is not a
> dictator, he is the leader of a nation that is determined to wipe out
> terrorists and to show them that it won't be tolerated anymore. Have you
> even been following how the people of Iraq feel???? Yes they have no
> electricity. Yes they need fresh drinking water and food. Yes they need
> shelter cus we destroyed their houses. Yes a lot of their people died.
> But...... they are now free to think and speak and act the way they want
> to do it. They don't have that awful oppression of being afraid of saying
> something wrong and getting arrested or tortured. They don't have to worry
> about their children's education anymore. Are you aware that the girls
were
> not allowed to learn to read or write in school? Are you aware that if a
> woman lied to her husband, he had the right to shoot her in the head in a
> public square? Are you aware that most of the Iraqi people are celebrating
> their new freedom and starting to set up their new government? I don't
know
> where you get your warped views on things. Don't go blaming the CIA for
the
> news you see on CNN or other international broadcasts. You're an idiot if
> you think the CIA twists around the news to suit their purpose. Do they
fake
> the photos too? And the film clips? And the dead bodies? Hmmmmm, come to
> think of it, maybe the CIA is to blame for the ozone layer being depleted
> too. Maybe the CIA is REALLY making it easier for UFO's to sneak in and
spy
> on us. >_<
>
> And by the way, I NEVER said.... and I don't believe,... that the USA is
the
> best country in the whole world. But if I had to decide where I'd rather
> live, it would definately be either the USA or Canada. Not because of
biased
> opinions from other people, but because I have traveled in both countries,
> not alot, but enough to feel at home here. And I enjoy my freedom and
> because my family is here. I am proud of my country, for what the people
> have fought for and believe in. Just like you are proud of your country
for
> your own reasons. And everybody should have that same pride no matter
where
> they live. I have every RIGHT to stand up for my country, even if you find
> faults with it, and so does Binary Bud, and CarolAnn. The people who live
in
> England have a right to stand up for their country too if someone like you
> comes along and tries to insult what they take pride in. If you don't
enjoy
> living in a certain country, you don't have to stay there (unlike Cubans,
> but that's a different story). So, back off bucko. You have only visited
one
> tiny section of the USA. That does NOT make you an expert. Nor does the
> filtered news you follow. Until you've traveled a year in my moccassins,
you
> cannot comment on where I live. Or something like that. LOL
>
>
>
>
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Jan 23, 2004, 11:03pm

I was refering to the famous McDonalds coffee case.
This is what I meant, one need to define every single thing for the "idiots"
otherwise one can be god damn sure they somehow manage to hurt themselves.
Mirrors on cars needs a warning text in one country in the world. Probably
some idiot had managed to reverse into something and blames the mirrors. A
lawn mower comes with a 120 page manual of which 90 pages is what you cannot
do with it, starting with " do not eat".
I just think it is sad that common sense has died. If i would burn myself on
coffee, I would blame myself for not beeing carefull, not going to court
hoping to get some money for my stupidity. If I stick my fingers under a
lawnmower, I am stupid and should not be refunded by the manufacturer.

I guess we just have a different juridical system here. here one go to court
for killing or raping someone, not for spilling coffee or eating a kitchen
sink, just because nobody had not said one cannot do so.

Drac
binarybud <leo at realPANTStourvision.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:40116c07 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> First off your way too biased to be a judge...and second ....define "hot"
hot enough to melt foam cup? or just hot enough to burn mouth? you have
simplistic answers to very tough questions. i call that being ignorant.
>
> you for sure not an ignorant person but you have ignorant views.
>
> look up definition for ignorant before your insulted...;)
>
> no offense meant.
>
> Leo :)
>
>
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Jan 23, 2004, 11:04pm

Whatever...
jetta lewis <rgurkin at earthlink.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:4011a66e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> As I said, this is a non winnable arguement on both sides. Count me out.
>
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Jan 24, 2004, 5:39am

way to go! u go girl! couldnt have said it better myself! i agree 100%
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Jan 24, 2004, 5:44am

Saddam wasnt a terrorist? lol he had many of his own people killed! they
even put their heads on a stick and paraded them down the city streets! I
think u should stop your nonsense CD! u dont know what u r talking about!
Dont u wonder why they live so poor there? in an oil rich country? Saddam
had all the money!
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Jan 24, 2004, 11:22am

0_0 I can see this is going nowhere fast and
I totally agree with what Jetta said. This is a useless conversation with
you. You are too stubborn or just too lazy to do more research before
posting your own opinions. The Germans did not possess prior knowledge of
just how crazy Hitler was before he took office and after he started his
genocide campaign most Germans lived in fear of fighting against it. They
were given an ultimatum, either cooperate or join the prisioners, get shot
in the head or watch your family get murdered. I still don't see the
connection there with Bush. As far as muslims are concerned, are you aware
of all the muslims living happily in this country? They are living like
everybody else in this country. Free to worship in whatever manner they
wish. We do not hold any anger towards muslim people at all. There are black
muslims here, hispanic muslims, and a LOT of white muslims (some of which
are natural born Americans who chose to convert). A few prejudiced people
did some awful things and probably will continue to be like that, but that
is something that happens with every religion in the world. Bush doesn't
care what religion anybody practices, as long as they aren't breaking any
laws. Bush has nothing to do with it. That would be equivilent to Queen
Elizabeth having control over the crime rate in London. I feel sorry for
you, living in that little bubble of yours, afraid to admit to yourself that
you might not have all the information on a subject you feel so strongly
about. I will openly admit I have no clue when the Iraqi's will form their
own government, ( I don't have ESP) but I do know they are working on it
with help from the UN and from other countries, including the USA. I can
only guess at why there is still resistance fighting there. Most of that
area is without electricity. It is very likely the combatants don't yet know
that Hussein was captured. Some of the combatants will probably fight to the
death to protect what he believes is his government. I bet a lot of them
were probably told we would kill them even if they surrendered. (Remember
its the middle east we're talking about here) Some of them probably took an
oath, similar to the military here in the USA to fight and preserve. I don't
have all the answers you are asking of me. Because I honestly don't have the
time lately to follow all the news reports or the interest in doing more
research into what the latest news in Iraq is. But I CAN tell you this
much...... I am tired of trying to point out to you that you don't have
all the facts before posting your one-sided opinions. You seem to have this
overwhelming need to blame everything on our president and our government.
We know the CIA keeps secrets. Every country has its spies. Its just that
ours is more publicized.


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Jan 24, 2004, 11:25am

He might have done that, but it do not make him a terrorist. Maybe you
should look up in a dictionary what terrorist mean?
But I guess you know what you are talking about, you have spent last 20
years in Iraq, have you not ?

If i had been living in Iraq, i would probably have been the first to be
prepared to kill him, but I had also been prepapred to defence my country
froma foreign invasion. If China would decide to liberate USA, I bet you
would welcome them by dancing in the street?

Drac
ciena <nikona at comcast.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:40122245 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Saddam wasnt a terrorist? lol he had many of his own people killed! they
> even put their heads on a stick and paraded them down the city streets! I
> think u should stop your nonsense CD! u dont know what u r talking about!
> Dont u wonder why they live so poor there? in an oil rich country? Saddam
> had all the money!
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Jan 24, 2004, 1:22pm

Just for the sake of fairness I do think Drac is well read and is genuinely
concerned with the future. I think it's a matter of a lack of confidence and
trust in government, most notably ours in the US. It would be naive to say
there have not been breaches of trust from time to time. But it would also
be unfair of him to say that we allow our leaders to wantonly run the
country with no controls in place. Evidence of both have been seen more than
once in the last decades. Nixon comes to mind, and also Clinton. Those were
not such grievous offenses as he claims are happening now, and they were
stopped dead in their tracks from continuing them. I can't imagine we would
allow a Hitleresque president to remain in power. There are those right now
in these months before the election who will, and can legally, attempt to
keep the present president from having another term in office, either
because they think he is not doing well or because they think someone else
can do it better. That is the way we do things here, if we want change. I am
not sure if he would have us attempt to overthrow the government or what,
but I kind of like this less stressful (purposeful understatement) way of
handling things. In other words, have a little faith Drac, Rome was not
destroyed in a day. (The previous are examples for the sake of this
discussion, not necessarily my views).

A side note: the coffee victim who successfully sued was brought up again.
For the record, doesn't anyone know that because she absentmindedly and
probably foolishly decided to hold the coffee between the wrong limbs as she
pulled away from the drive-up window she has since needed skin grafts and
surgery in places that most of us would never dream of needing it? Was the
coffee hotter than necessary, say hotter than the very hottest bath water
that it should have caused disfigurement? Obviously. Coffee can spill in
less careless ways, and should never be a potential danger, like maybe to a
small child. Who was to blame then? Probably both parties, but the lady will
forever be the butt of jokes because people only know "lady spilled coffee
and sues". The thing is, in the last couple years I have heard countless
times about stupid restrictive American laws, but no one does any serious
research on them before bringing them up. (The same can be said of stupid
lawsuits. Sure, many ridiculous ones are brought, but that doesn't mean they
are all won.) Does anyone seriously believe that people in Saint Louis are
under pressure to have their sheep out of their bathtub before sundown? Are
men really free to beat their wives as long as the stick is no thicker than
their thumb? Should they remove their hats in the presence of women older
than they are or be fined or jailed? Check it out, most of these "laws" (the
ones that were even real) were written 125 to 200 years ago and the wisest
magistrate in the state or county where they were written never even heard
of them. They are funny to read though, but it is more hilarious to think
that people really believe we are expected to observe them or face serious
consequences. (well, I guess we aren't supposed to have livestock in our
homes at all, and the consequences would most likely be from them.)

Jan 24, 2004, 2:02pm

for the love of god you un-snipping always-arguing under-performing
over-egotising under-educated fools.. SHUT THE HELL UP.

- Mark R

Jan 24, 2004, 2:24pm

You just tell me who they are, I'll go talk to them for you. Sounds like
maybe you unwittingly stumbled on a post you would have been better off
avoiding and it made you bad-tempered. Un-snipping?

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Jan 24, 2004, 3:18pm

he is a terrorist. the people there lived in fear of him. why do u think
they were happy when his statue was torn down. they were partying in the
streets!
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Jan 24, 2004, 3:20pm

Cover your ears!
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Jan 25, 2004, 4:57am

Ciena dear, that is why he was refered to as dictator. He made the people
obay using cruelty. A terrorist fight for something or against something.

The partyed because they hated him. ( did you expect something else?).
They hated him, as they hate the people who now has invaded their country.

Drac
ciena <nikona at comcast.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:4012a8e3$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> he is a terrorist. the people there lived in fear of him. why do u think
> they were happy when his statue was torn down. they were partying in the
> streets!
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Jan 25, 2004, 5:06am

You are absolutely right, I do not have all facts but I have opinions. You
do not have facts and you have opinions. I guess we are pretty much the same
:)

My brother has a friend. He lives in USA. He originally comes from Lebanon.
Directly after 9/11 he and his wife taken into questioning by FBI. They held
them there for quite a while. At some point he managed to tell them that
they are not even muslims, but tere is about a 20% christian minority in
Lebanon of which they are a part of. They were let out. So I guess religion
has some affects on how you are treated.
I just would not like to be a muslim in USA ( not anywhere else for that
matter).


You are also right when you say it is no use continuing this conversation.
We both live in our own bubble; I guess only time will show whose bubble
will burst first.

Drac
lioness. <nobody at nowhere.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:401271ab$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> 0_0 I can see this is going nowhere fast
and
> I totally agree with what Jetta said. This is a useless conversation with
> you. You are too stubborn or just too lazy to do more research before
> posting your own opinions. The Germans did not possess prior knowledge of
> just how crazy Hitler was before he took office and after he started his
> genocide campaign most Germans lived in fear of fighting against it. They
> were given an ultimatum, either cooperate or join the prisioners, get shot
> in the head or watch your family get murdered. I still don't see the
> connection there with Bush. As far as muslims are concerned, are you aware
> of all the muslims living happily in this country? They are living like
> everybody else in this country. Free to worship in whatever manner they
> wish. We do not hold any anger towards muslim people at all. There are
black
> muslims here, hispanic muslims, and a LOT of white muslims (some of which
> are natural born Americans who chose to convert). A few prejudiced people
> did some awful things and probably will continue to be like that, but that
> is something that happens with every religion in the world. Bush doesn't
> care what religion anybody practices, as long as they aren't breaking any
> laws. Bush has nothing to do with it. That would be equivilent to Queen
> Elizabeth having control over the crime rate in London. I feel sorry for
> you, living in that little bubble of yours, afraid to admit to yourself
that
> you might not have all the information on a subject you feel so strongly
> about. I will openly admit I have no clue when the Iraqi's will form their
> own government, ( I don't have ESP) but I do know they are working on it
> with help from the UN and from other countries, including the USA. I can
> only guess at why there is still resistance fighting there. Most of that
> area is without electricity. It is very likely the combatants don't yet
know
> that Hussein was captured. Some of the combatants will probably fight to
the
> death to protect what he believes is his government. I bet a lot of them
> were probably told we would kill them even if they surrendered. (Remember
> its the middle east we're talking about here) Some of them probably took
an
> oath, similar to the military here in the USA to fight and preserve. I
don't
> have all the answers you are asking of me. Because I honestly don't have
the
> time lately to follow all the news reports or the interest in doing more
> research into what the latest news in Iraq is. But I CAN tell you this
> much...... I am tired of trying to point out to you that you don't have
> all the facts before posting your one-sided opinions. You seem to have
this
> overwhelming need to blame everything on our president and our government.
> We know the CIA keeps secrets. Every country has its spies. Its just that
> ours is more publicized.
>
>
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Jan 25, 2004, 5:29am

Thank you CarolAnn.

To get back to the coffee. If coffee was as hot as hottest bathwater, one
would experience it as cold when drinking it.
It was just an example that I somehow found so amusing; although I am quite
sure the lady who it happened to did not feel that way.
(next time you take a shower, try to drink a bit of that water that comes
from the tap:-))

It is not an american thing, the lack of common sense. We have it here also.
I have sometimes wondered when dealing with people, how it is even possible
they are still alive. The difference just is that here it do not so often go
to court as there (yet).

You are also right that one cannot directly compare Hitler and Bush, but the
ignorance he shows towards the rest of the world, makes him less loved here.
I have spoken to many from USA and they have agreed he is ignorant. All
people from USA living here that I know of, has said they were against the
war. Maybe they somehow look at the word a bit different; i do not know.
I guess it is easy to be drawn into nationalism; we must fight the enemy
togther; together we are strong etc. We shall not forget though that
nationalism is one of the main causes for wars and disputes in the world.

Many people call me anti-american; I do not think that is quite fair. I
guess many people do not understand that I actually like america and I am
worried about the future of it. America has been something great, it still
has potential to be. The ignorancy and lost of common sense has though in my
opionion taken it into a road that will lead to destruction.
It is not only USA that I am worried about; same goes for EU. At the moment
the power is getting more and more concentrated. The small countries has
lost all influance. France is trying to get a common defence; it is only so
that EU could be as strong as USA and become a "rival". I do not like this
development at all. I agree that there should maybe be some other super
power also now that Sovjet is gone. USA is about the only really powerfull,
and that is letting it do as it please. I just think it is a bit scary if EU
is to be the factor that prevent USA from beeing the "police of the world".
In the long run this can lead into disputes between EU and USA and some day
we might find ourselves in war.

Drac

carolann <carolannh at charter.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:40128db2 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Just for the sake of fairness I do think Drac is well read and is
genuinely
> concerned with the future. I think it's a matter of a lack of confidence
and
> trust in government, most notably ours in the US. It would be naive to say
> there have not been breaches of trust from time to time. But it would also
> be unfair of him to say that we allow our leaders to wantonly run the
> country with no controls in place. Evidence of both have been seen more
than
> once in the last decades. Nixon comes to mind, and also Clinton. Those
were
> not such grievous offenses as he claims are happening now, and they were
> stopped dead in their tracks from continuing them. I can't imagine we
would
> allow a Hitleresque president to remain in power. There are those right
now
> in these months before the election who will, and can legally, attempt to
> keep the present president from having another term in office, either
> because they think he is not doing well or because they think someone else
> can do it better. That is the way we do things here, if we want change. I
am
> not sure if he would have us attempt to overthrow the government or what,
> but I kind of like this less stressful (purposeful understatement) way of
> handling things. In other words, have a little faith Drac, Rome was not
> destroyed in a day. (The previous are examples for the sake of this
> discussion, not necessarily my views).
>
> A side note: the coffee victim who successfully sued was brought up again.
> For the record, doesn't anyone know that because she absentmindedly and
> probably foolishly decided to hold the coffee between the wrong limbs as
she
> pulled away from the drive-up window she has since needed skin grafts and
> surgery in places that most of us would never dream of needing it? Was the
> coffee hotter than necessary, say hotter than the very hottest bath water
> that it should have caused disfigurement? Obviously. Coffee can spill in
> less careless ways, and should never be a potential danger, like maybe to
a
> small child. Who was to blame then? Probably both parties, but the lady
will
> forever be the butt of jokes because people only know "lady spilled coffee
> and sues". The thing is, in the last couple years I have heard countless
> times about stupid restrictive American laws, but no one does any serious
> research on them before bringing them up. (The same can be said of stupid
> lawsuits. Sure, many ridiculous ones are brought, but that doesn't mean
they
> are all won.) Does anyone seriously believe that people in Saint Louis are
> under pressure to have their sheep out of their bathtub before sundown?
Are
> men really free to beat their wives as long as the stick is no thicker
than
> their thumb? Should they remove their hats in the presence of women older
> than they are or be fined or jailed? Check it out, most of these "laws"
(the
> ones that were even real) were written 125 to 200 years ago and the wisest
> magistrate in the state or county where they were written never even heard
> of them. They are funny to read though, but it is more hilarious to think
> that people really believe we are expected to observe them or face serious
> consequences. (well, I guess we aren't supposed to have livestock in our
> homes at all, and the consequences would most likely be from them.)
>
>

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