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Oct 12, 2003, 5:17am

A note to users buying my models.
If you are thinking of uploading models you buy from me to a Shared or
Rented object path, such as Heartfall Productions rented object path,
don't do it.
My terms of sale do NOT allow my objects and textures to be used on an
object path shared by other worlds owners and doing so is a violation of
copyright by you the purchaser (if you know that the path is shared) and the
Object Path owners/operators.
This came about when last night Lady Murasaki told me she saw some of her
textures on http://www.heartfall.org/wcoltxgals/default.aspx where they had
no right to be so I looked and sure enough I saw some of my non-public
domain textures on there also.
I don't know how they got there but I expect them to be removed and I have
also filed a complaint along with screen shots of their web page showing my
textures and proof of my development of those textures with AWI regarding
Heartfall's violation of copyright and EULA and I believe at least one other
person is filing a complaint also.

Paul

Oct 12, 2003, 7:03am

Id show surprise... apart from im not surprised whatsoever...

- Mark

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Oct 12, 2003, 10:10am

Did you use a Digimarc type watermarking? otherwise its one word against
another word.

Any intellectual property infringements are between you and the other
person. If you cannot prove complete ownership who is to say you never used
the their parties work?

Using someone's idea and improving on it or modifying it may be unethical,
but hell I've seen things models created in aw available on the web free and
charged for in aw.

Besides take your complaints to the perpetrator its nothing to do with the
rest of us. Its just wasting time.

Goldern Rule Digimarc your work. Otherwise its your word against the others.


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Oct 12, 2003, 10:11am

Greetings to all...

Let me immediately put an end to the false gossip and libelous slandering
campaign attempt to be started here by Paul!

ALL files on our servers are legally licensed and abide by ALL US Copyright
laws. Paul's ignorance to the law.. and his failure to read the site's notice
are "HIS" shortcoming and NOT our wrong doing. His post is wrong, deliberate,
and malicious in content and purpose(s).

The site is SOLELY a gallery for our users to aide both them and their builders.

If they have purchased license to use those models and their textures then they
have a right for their users to view them! NO ONE has access to the files that
has not legally purchased license to use them. The files in the gallery are
pitifully reduced low resolution images made solely for online viewing by their
builders. Paul is out giving false information.. perhaps he should threaten AW
for their converting files to RAS format and providing those images cache
folders! Users on our services do not access private models unless they are the
purchasers of those items.

Now, in reality! My company has worked for many years to protect artists
rights and property. In our 12 years of being a Film and Entertainment company,
we have NEVER had a single loss of file, data, or license. We have spent
considerable time and effort to protect works. We have attempted to have AW
protect artist's property by ceasing it's placing files openly in cache. That
is far more than I can say about the person posting here today. We have even
been bashed in here for seeking then end of notes being given on how users could

convert ras to jpg and how to crack passwords. I have seen few others support
those protective attempts!

Paul is claiming that if any person buys from himself.. they are NOT allowed to
show the files to their world's builder's!!! Be cautious of that!!! Be
cautious that he might slander you and your guests if they visit your world
because they have his so called images in their cache!

License is sold for use of the models in the world purchased for. That is the
ONLY place that the licensed models ever get used! That has been true for many
years. Heartfall currently stores more than $30,000.00 of privately licensed
models for our user base. We have NEVER had a single loss of their protection.
Heartfall world hosting services prides itself in that data protection. We have
never had a claim that a purchased file was used by another world unlawfully. We

have exhausted all efforts to prevent that and thus far, successfully so :)

World owners who have purchased license have the right to have their user's
access galleries that allow them to see textures so they can apply create
texture commands within worlds to match decor. This is a part of the AW browser
function and has gone on since the inception of AW! We are NOT distributing
files to anyone! We are not offering file use to anyone who does not have the
legal license to use them!

People love to gossip and act jealous toward companies which go the extra mile
for their users. http://worldhosting.heartfall.com is a company founded by a
man of integrity who has received many praises by high society and government.
We have gone far and wide to help our users enjoy 3D! We host many cancer
patients, many handicapped users, many gatekeepers and peace keepers. People who

appreciate our services. The site referenced is a private client site. Anyone
accessing it as a client who is not, is doing so against law as a trespasser. It

is not an html public site. It records all client access and illegal access is
just that, "ILLEGAL" Unlike an http server... this is a "client server" Paul's

posting the address in this newsgroup is wrong and he publishes private address
without legal authorization to do so... therefore a direct violation of property

and copyright laws.
Though we are not naive... we understand that many user thrive going places they

do not belong. That is why we take every effort in protecting the data by
making only worthless copies of the images available.

There is nothing wrong with what we have done. If Paul is suggesting that if
you buy his models and NOT use a texture he sends you for create animate me in
world... or else he will attack you, then I would say run far away and run fast!

For the record... worldhosting.heartfall.com is doing everything to protect
artists and their work... If Paul or anyone expects a webmaster in charge of
over 30,000 texture images to know what he produces.. then we suggest that he at

least...
1. uniquely name his files.
2. legally file copyright with Washington,DC as required by law prior to any
publications so that the Library of Congress has a lawful copy of record.
3. notify his buyers that they cannot use the texture in any create texture
commands prior to purchasing.
4. contact Bill Gates in protest as microsoft allows for image sharing as it
places all images in cache and allows fast pop up icons each and every time you
view an image to "save as" within its browser.

Artists generate their income from the sale of their work. ALL items are safely
stored and legally used by our customers in their individual worlds. No illegal

use is permitted or even allowed.

If Paul and others suggest to you that you cannot have his items on a rented
path.. then he naively cuts himself off from the entire real world.. as I doubt
there are many people who actually OWN their own path servers like we do. Most
all rent space for their paths somewhere on the net. That is just one of the
problems of people bashing others in this newsgroup.. the fact that they are
ignorant to the facts, ignorant to the law, ignorant to the realities of the
internet.. and solely out to cause damage to a leading company. That clearly
shows their ill intents...!

Perhaps people should try speaking to one of their buyers and find out the FACTS

on how well their items are protected before slandering others here and posting
libel!

Now, that said... any designer who protests their images being made available
to their buyer's world builders... may submit a list of filenames to our
webmaster. Please note that all world owners will receive copies of all mail to
show them why their use is being cut off from them. Please send legal proof of
copyright ownership. We simply cannot delete a user's property solely on the
whim of a person claiming to own legal copyright. We are speaking of client
data. You may very well owe refunds to your buyer's if their data must be
destroyed at your request. You may also be liable for the value of their build
designs destroyed by your absurd request as well. We gladly abide by the laws...

and we simply ask that complainants do the same. But realize... it will hurt
your sales... as buyers will not wish to patronize you when you restrict use to
disallow their builders freedom to use the purchases the way AW designed the
software, within their builds.

I hope this puts an end to this ugly rumor and post. There is no need for
commentary by anyone as to their "opinions" If anyone wishes to clarify the
legality of this issue.. let's meet in a court of law. I am a U.S. Citizen and I

am opposed to "TERRORISTS" be them the ones with bombs or the "Cyber
Terrorists" who create havoc for good ordinary law abiding citizens on the net.

I would be happy to bring this issue into a court room and shut down this
illegal act of slandering people at will in this newsgroup. Let it be known,,
Paul never gave any opportunity to my company to answer his claims. In fact, he
never even submitted any proper claim or filename. He simply sent a telegram
ranting... He went right to make his post to cause us further damage..
continuing his campaign to damage and interfere with our business. History shows

full written proof of this act... That is very much... "evidence worthy" in a
court of law. The courts are here to "Protect" us.. so that people spreading
false stories will be punished for their acts... to cease the actions and
protect the honest. As well as AW.. Heartfall hosts over $2,000,000.00 of client

art... ALL that art is protect for the artists. Please cease your defamation
now... as you speak of what you know nothing about.

I wish you all well.. and fear not.. as an Artist myself... I would never give
forth a piece of art to another that was not lawfully obtained.

InSaNiTy
www.heartfall.com
worldhosting.heartfall.com
www.ObjectYard.com



[View Quote] > A note to users buying my models.
> If you are thinking of uploading models you buy from me to a Shared or
> Rented object path, such as Heartfall Productions rented object path,
> don't do it.
> My terms of sale do NOT allow my objects and textures to be used on an
> object path shared by other worlds owners and doing so is a violation of
> copyright by you the purchaser (if you know that the path is shared) and the
> Object Path owners/operators.
> This came about when last night Lady Murasaki told me she saw some of her
> textures on http://www.heartfall.org/wcoltxgals/default.aspx where they had
> no right to be so I looked and sure enough I saw some of my non-public
> domain textures on there also.
> I don't know how they got there but I expect them to be removed and I have
> also filed a complaint along with screen shots of their web page showing my
> textures and proof of my development of those textures with AWI regarding
> Heartfall's violation of copyright and EULA and I believe at least one other
> person is filing a complaint also.
>
> Paul

Oct 12, 2003, 11:12am

I use Heratfall and see no infringement Paul you accuse people all the time
like me lol You went by my name rather then account after seeing some of
your things in my world but I had purchased them from you and changed my
name later.Want to see my pay pal reciept? as far as textures those are easy
to get through a screen capture or in cache.Also if i buy an object i'll use
the textures i've purchsed as a create command at tmes did you check and see
if anyone had purchased an item from you or whatever and that maybe they
just used a create since they bought the texture?
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Oct 12, 2003, 12:35pm

> My terms of sale do NOT allow my objects and textures to be used<
Seems to me paul refers to the word: "models" trying to make his complaint
looks a whole lot more interesting, however... he claims to have proof about
textures NOT models.
Every object creator knows, or should know, that using self made textures
and selling them, is tricky because textures are easily to grab by
worldvisitors.
Besides, if I would be stupid enough to buy a model including its textures
from Paul, and have it uploaded to a private folder on Heartfalls OP, I
would surely want to have the freedom to use that texture anyway I want to
IN that specific world, since I payed for the damn texture use IN that
world.
*Takes note, never buy anything from Paul, next thing you know he will be
filing silly complaints against you*


Myztik

Oct 12, 2003, 1:38pm

I don't want to go into details about the poster's garbage.

One comment based on visiting his server:

" Access to this site is limited to patron world owner use & their respective builders solely.
Licensed use only.
This site is protected by the Laws of the United States of Americans an/or it's Treaties with foreign Nations.
Violators and/or trespassers will be prosecuted.
This is not a public access html web site.
If you have entered this server by mistake, please exit immediately."

I guess the web site owner doesn't know what is the internet:)
If a page accessible by a regular browser from the net - it is not restricted and anyone allowed to access it!
If he wants to make the website PRIVATE then use the common protection technique. This silly note means nothing:) Everything on this site is public domain since it is not protected from the general public!

I'm entered to this server by mistake but I won't obey to the "Leave immediately" order, since it is a public server. What is more - I made a full copy of this server on my machine:) - (geat stuff indeed!)


--
Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Oct 12, 2003, 2:04pm

[View Quote] this post supposed to be a response to the insane poster, not to myztik.

--
Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Oct 12, 2003, 2:23pm

I want to say that after talking to InSaNiTy he did remove the textures in
question from the WCOL OP and apparently were not known to be protected
material.

Paul

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Oct 12, 2003, 2:51pm

Being fairly new to AW, and a new world owner, I am not going to get into
any kind of technical p_ssing contest over how objects, textures, and models
may be copied or shared or what have you.

I will say this however. Every time I have introduced a new avatar or model
or texture into my world - a world that is hosted by Heartfall and a world
where I rent the OP from Heartfall - I am always asked to furnish the
appropriate "readme.txt" files making sure that I have acquired proper
licensing for the items.

Also, when purchasing avatars from other avatar creators I have been asked
who runs my world. It seems the creators have had trouble with texture
sharing among some of the less than upstanding citizens who provide such
services as world and path hosting. With each and every such query the
creators have always responded with a reply similar to, "Ahhh... no need to
worry about Heartfall sharing my textures. You may load my avatar in your
world." when I have indicated that Heartfall is my world / path host.

I may be naive, but it sounds as though Lars and his company, Heartfall,
have established quite an outstanding reputation of integrity and fair
business practices. Whomever is starting all this raucus might consider
following such a fine example.





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Oct 12, 2003, 3:06pm

Not a reply to Paul, but about textures in general.

I have surfed the web alot; visiting thousends of sites giving out "free
textures". I have seen the same textures on several pages.
How can I ever be 100% that a texture really is free? Someone might say, if
you are not sure, do not use it. Since I am never sure of anything, I would
not be able to use a single texture. I think it would be a shame if a world
would look crappy, just because one is scared to use some textures.

I have visited many worlds selling models in AW, also read the webpages, and
surprise surprise, on these same pages I have found " free textures", the
very same as I have seen on other freebie pages. I have also noticed that
model creators often use readymade textures from " free textures" pages in
their payware. Some find a picture on the net, cut out a part and modify it
a bit; do this make them the copyright holder of it ?
Very few modelers make their textures from scratch 100%, I happen to know
that some use not licenesed products for making textures or models with
also *g*

I have even seen converted models for sale whilst worldhopping; not sure how
that and the copyright (protect the rich) mumble jumble goes together.

So the day someone accuse me of having something copyrighted, I will make
sure that is really the fact. I will make sure the claimed creator has made
the "stuff" from scratch with a licensed product.

Drac
paul <mpbarrow at NOSPAMyahoo.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f89001b$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> A note to users buying my models.
> If you are thinking of uploading models you buy from me to a Shared or
> Rented object path, such as Heartfall Productions rented object path,
> don't do it.
> My terms of sale do NOT allow my objects and textures to be used on an
> object path shared by other worlds owners and doing so is a violation of
> copyright by you the purchaser (if you know that the path is shared) and
the
> Object Path owners/operators.
> This came about when last night Lady Murasaki told me she saw some of her
> textures on http://www.heartfall.org/wcoltxgals/default.aspx where they
had
> no right to be so I looked and sure enough I saw some of my non-public
> domain textures on there also.
> I don't know how they got there but I expect them to be removed and I have
> also filed a complaint along with screen shots of their web page showing
my
> textures and proof of my development of those textures with AWI regarding
> Heartfall's violation of copyright and EULA and I believe at least one
other
> person is filing a complaint also.
>
> Paul
>
>

Oct 12, 2003, 3:30pm

Sad and morally deprived reply Andras... pertaining to your closing lines...
I would have expected you to have a higher level of thought process.
As for your theft and public announcement of the direct copyright infringement...
Karma... Being able to steal... does not make the theft ok...
As far as your comment "great stuff indeed" < Very fooish comment...
All of the images are so greatly reduced their merit as textures for 3D is nil.
But you have shown this... You have shown that you lack moral fiber... and you.. a competitive world host showing no respect to copyright. I certainly would have nothing
to do with a host that openly admits to stealing from the web. Hardly would host my private and purchased goods with an admitted thief. Now at least people see where your character is at and what it is.
So it is true... even from bad things can come good... We are all now better informed *S*

InSaNiTy
worldhosting.heartfall.com


[View Quote] > I don't want to go into details about the poster's garbage.
>
> One comment based on visiting his server:
>
> " Access to this site is limited to patron world owner use & their respective builders solely.
> Licensed use only.
> This site is protected by the Laws of the United States of Americans an/or it's Treaties with foreign Nations.
> Violators and/or trespassers will be prosecuted.
> This is not a public access html web site.
> If you have entered this server by mistake, please exit immediately."
>
> I guess the web site owner doesn't know what is the internet:)
> If a page accessible by a regular browser from the net - it is not restricted and anyone allowed to access it!
> If he wants to make the website PRIVATE then use the common protection technique. This silly note means nothing:) Everything on this site is public domain since it is not protected from the general public!
>
> I'm entered to this server by mistake but I won't obey to the "Leave immediately" order, since it is a public server. What is more - I made a full copy of this server on my machine:) - (geat stuff indeed!)
>
> --
> Andras
> "It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Oct 12, 2003, 3:37pm

How do you know he atcually did anything. Perhaps he was just making a
point?

~John

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Oct 12, 2003, 4:06pm

heheheheheh! so this is how old people argue?
psh, my flame wars are much more interesting (and funny). :P

-SWE

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Oct 12, 2003, 4:10pm

Point was noted... bad character, morally deficient...
Everyone should already know theft is possible... does not make it right,
nor of value... therefore no benefit to the betterment of anyone.
But I did learn something today about him from his remarks...
That knowledge IS a beneficial point for all to observe.
This is not about the issue posted... this is about the deliberate hate campaign
toward
one person... myself... from a select few...people who know nothing of me, never
met me,
never have done business with me. Those who have are very happy.
Sadly though... as this news group's records show... Hate is allowed...
I had thought they cleaned this place up... wished they had... after all...
it only kills AW more when users read here and are scared off by the bullies...
Hasn't that ever dawned on anyone? Many reasons why world owners leave...
The feeling their money is taken and then the company allows the bullies to
reign here,
and ignores them in their private worlds and pays attention only to these
bullies or AW world people... That is not a good recipe for the owners who
invest their money and wish to stay or feel welcomed. However.. if the
community showed that it steps up to stomp out abuses, here and in the universe.
If it were to ask world owners opinions, inform owners of updates... etc.. then
things could vastly improve with little effort.
I see no benefits from hate posts in this newsgroup... unless it is the downfall
of AW which is being sought...



[View Quote] > How do you know he atcually did anything. Perhaps he was just making a
> point?
>
> ~John
>
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Oct 12, 2003, 4:10pm

"I happen to know that some use not licenesed products for making textures
or models with"
lol, some? try finding a single person who would spend like $5k on 3ds max
and then waste thier time selling objects on activeworlds? :)

emm, my 3ds max is fully legal. since i believe the copyright laws dont
actually affect libya, i have every right to break them ^_^.
p.s to activeworlds employees: im not in libya, im in, emmm, england! :)

-SWE

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Oct 12, 2003, 4:44pm

I thought we were long overdue for this.

--
--Bowen--
http://bowen.homelinux.com
I know you want to join my army.

Oct 12, 2003, 4:44pm

Being able to steal... does not make the theft ok...
<<<

The process of "stealing" requires that the item in question is gone
after the action (in possession of another person), but this certainly
is not the case here.
In this regard, Andras could not have committed any "theft", but has
obtained a so-called "copy", in this case even an identical one.



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Oct 12, 2003, 6:42pm

Ohh, god.... not again.... *sigh*

Will you *please* shut-up? For the love of all that's good in this world,
SPARE US from your pointless pathetic arguments.

-Jeremy


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Oct 12, 2003, 6:47pm

You all misinterpreted the complaint.
A purchaser of my model can use the models and textures in there world in
any manner they choose, even to the extent of changing the textures on the
models themselves.
What the purchaser can not do is allow the models and textures to be shared
by other worlds owners by (1) giving them the models or textures, (2)
selling them the models or textures (without my permission), or (3)
uploading to or allowing them to be uploaded to an Object Path that is
shared by other world owners (without my permission).
That is pretty clear and has always been my policy. If you don't agree with
those terms then don't buy my models. Those Terms of User are more
generous than that of many modelers around.

Paul

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Oct 12, 2003, 7:06pm

I think the question was did you make those textures yourself? I've only
bought avatars (& a few seqs) and I've done so from quite a few sources.
I've discovered by surfing the web for textures that many that have come
with my avs are freely accessible from the web as free textures. So, not
only could I get them from you when I buy an object, but I could also get
them from the actual creator's website.

If you made the textures yourself then yes you have a complaint. But, why
take it public? Why not contact the *accused* directly and work it out in
private? For what it's worth, I have bought avs & seqs from him (so far
that's it) and he's been nothing but cordial & helpful to me. I'm sure if
you ask him, point out *your textures* ... he'd be happy to remove them,
unless they are being used by a user who actually did buy them from you. In
which case, perhaps he just needs to take them off his webpages (if they are
listed there). At any rate, how would he know they are your textures if a
customer of his purchased them with a build set or av and asked him to load
it up?

Perhaps in future we might all consider putting in the source of the
textures with items we sell or give away, in the ReadMe.txt file. I think
that's a great idea! If you specify that *these are MY textures* and *these
came from these sources*, the host can check that to be sure not to load any
personal items? Just a suggestion...

LNH




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Oct 12, 2003, 7:18pm

None of that happened Paul. Plus, your post was not about your license claims
which appear to vary. Your post clearly targeted my company's private galleries
which lawfully licensed users access to facilitate their world enjoyment using
the items they paid good money to have. You have now concerned many because they
are seeing how ugly your actions have been. You immediately posted our private
server address to this newsgroup to incite the hateful bashing which has
occurred ever since your post. Had that not been your intent you would not have
included they very proprietary link! Nor would you have jumped to conclusions
falsely. The site is a .org for one thing, not a .com for commerce. Secondly you
accuse users of improper use when in fact there has been absolutely none
whatsoever. On the phone you told me you were posting an apology. What I have
read that you posted was hardly that. NOW, let me tell the users, that YOU PAUL,
expect everyone in the real world to know brassp1.jpg is your's and your's to
demand used certain ways. That is absurd. Your file was not even professionally
prefixed uniquely for any filtering process to determine it was your's.
Please... do the right thing... admit you over reacted to something that was
never a problem! Had you e-mailed the webmaster properly giving filenames and
proof of your claim to ownership of copyright... they would have been removed,
even though that causes their licensee's hardships... But you failed to do
that... you jumped into a "news" group.. not with NEWS... but with an AGENDA for
affect... Please... honesty is a much better way to conduct life... Heartfall
Productions is a company that helps users 7 days a week, 365 days each year...
Your post was wrong to attack our user's private access site. From your post...
attacks and noted thefts have now occurred... is that a pleasing event for
your Sunday? It's not for mine or the many users... Not to mention your
attitude is that users who buy from you are thieves! Our customers have honor
and no desire whatsoever to use what they have not properly paid for. The site
clearly states the purpose of the galleries. Perhaps because your friends here
wallow in hate and libelous posts... you forget that there are HONEST users out
there...
I wish you the best Paul and i hope that you have learned something from this...
I hope that you and others out there learn to properly name files. It never
ceases to amaze me how people using a PC forget that computers are made to
automate tasks... you expect a mind reader to know brassp1.jpg must be used to
your specific terms.. you can use, he can't, she can, no, not upside down...
geez.. please follow LAW as a guideline.. don't corrupt it and make it as you
go.. that only lends for misunderstandings by users... If you "Allow" someone
to alter the file they buy from you.. that alteration becomes their new unique
copyright! Simply the law! That is why professional artists do not allow
alterations, unless the license specifically allows for them to do as they
wish... not as you discriminate to... Why do virtual users feel they can ignore
law and make up their own?

I wish people would clean up their acts! This hate filled newsgroup trashing
only leads to users being hurt and the entire program being placed into
financial and legal jeopardy. It certainly does NOT promote "COMMUNITY" for
which it is titled after.

For those who wish for honest service by hosts who care about making their life
fun... so they can avoid trash filled places like this and turn for help where
they know they can find help... Come see Heartfall and it's many happy world
owners. They can tell you the TRUTHS. We help people so they can EnJoY*

I hope this bashing campaign will end now...

By the way.. for those who love attacking my screen name... InSaNiTy is chosen
because it is simply "insane" that we offer so much in 3D for so very little...
Always driving to push 3d to new heights for further new enjoyable experiences.

InSaNiTy
worldhosting.heartfall.com



[View Quote] > You all misinterpreted the complaint.
> A purchaser of my model can use the models and textures in there world in
> any manner they choose, even to the extent of changing the textures on the
> models themselves.
> What the purchaser can not do is allow the models and textures to be shared
> by other worlds owners by (1) giving them the models or textures, (2)
> selling them the models or textures (without my permission), or (3)
> uploading to or allowing them to be uploaded to an Object Path that is
> shared by other world owners (without my permission).
> That is pretty clear and has always been my policy. If you don't agree with
> those terms then don't buy my models. Those Terms of User are more
> generous than that of many modelers around.
>
> Paul
>
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Oct 12, 2003, 7:20pm

> In our 12 years of being a Film and Entertainment company,
> we have NEVER had a single loss of file, data, or license. We have spent
> considerable time and effort to protect works.

Strange... and all this time I thought your OP pass had been stolen a
hundred times or so... what was the last one again *opens txt file* ohhh
yeah now I remember *presses alt + f4*

- Mark

Oct 12, 2003, 7:36pm

Geeze are you ever wrong!!!

Andras has more moral in his little finger than you have in your whole
being!!! In fact, he has more than practically anyone has in their whole
being!!!


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Oct 12, 2003, 7:42pm

Someone who admits he stole a full site and ignored all it's copyright and
usage
guidelines you say is moral? I am a person who saved so many on a daily basis
as a paramedic making my self accessible to strangers, you downgrade? You do
not even know me! I really question your thought process. Andras's own words
show his intent! Please show me his letters of appreciation from his
government officials. Mine are readily accessible. But then again... you are
Paul's co-hort are you not? What else should i have expected.

[View Quote] > Geeze are you ever wrong!!!
>
> Andras has more moral in his little finger than you have in your whole
> being!!! In fact, he has more than practically anyone has in their whole
> being!!!
>
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Oct 12, 2003, 7:46pm

A Reply to CopyRight Concerns:

While I can appreciate Paul's valid concern regarding his artistic rights and
protection for artwork and products he creates, I see that the prompt response
he recieved from HeartFall Productions helped resolve the issue. My experience
with this company and its owner, as my world's host, has supported my trust in
its integrity, professional conduct and ethical outlook.

With regards to the copyright laws....get informed, dont assume. I found
valueable information on what CopyRight Laws entitle people to copy & use in the
following Webpage: http://whatiscopyright.org/

Also, regardless of what is actual Law there is also the Code of Ethics and
Morals one lives by, respecting others is something we all can keep in mind as
we play and work on the Internet.

CoLor




[View Quote] > "I happen to know that some use not licenesed products for making textures
> or models with"
> lol, some? try finding a single person who would spend like $5k on 3ds max
> and then waste thier time selling objects on activeworlds? :)
>
> emm, my 3ds max is fully legal. since i believe the copyright laws dont
> actually affect libya, i have every right to break them ^_^.
> p.s to activeworlds employees: im not in libya, im in, emmm, england! :)
>
> -SWE
>
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Oct 12, 2003, 7:50pm

Hi, stupid Myztik

If you can bad-mouth Paul then I guess I can bad-mouth you.. :o)
I bet you don't even know the man, do you??? Stupid Myztik...



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Oct 12, 2003, 7:54pm

Yeah.. nude avatars which, are supposedly against AWI's guidlines, are some
of the avatars you'd find on Heartfall... And let's not forget the torture
devices that are probably on the Heartfall server too, for the Gorean's (and
other's) use...Everyone get out their bank books and go buy some T&A!!!
:o)

There you go, Insanity!!! I just helped you sell more web space or avs and
objects!!!


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Oct 12, 2003, 8:00pm

Go blow your horn to someone that is more likely to believe you than I ever
will be, Insanity.. :o)

I do stick up for ppl that have actually shown me that they care about
AWI... To me, you show that you don't really care for the spirit of AW
since you host worlds like the ones slave owners like to create..

Paul and Andras both help others daily... You are not the only one around
that knows how to do good for others... I guess it's the choice of some
of the ppl you decide to do good for that I disagree with...


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Oct 12, 2003, 8:07pm

[View Quote] But I thought you were an actor? I thought you were a director? I
thought arguing made your heart weak?

--
--Bowen--
http://bowen.homelinux.com
I know you want to join my army.

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