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copyright violation // Community

insanity

Oct 13, 2003, 4:29pm

"Hump" is not X rated. People move like that and much more suggestively on
dance floors in public rooms all the time. They are never arrested for being X
rated ever. Of course there were the prudes who would not allow Elvis to be
viewed from the waist down on Ed Sullivan in the 60's. I would hope we had
evolved beyond that. And if the actual "hump" is X rated and illegal.. than
how the heck did your butt get conceived? As for Laws.. The software and my
company are in the U.S. of A. Therefore U.S. Law is recited. I have no
interest in knowing foreign laws of lessor standard. Taking what is not yours
and you know is another's is wrong in any language, anywhere... unless you own
an army... then they call it victory.

[View Quote] > So you are saying that the opinions are worthless because they are Bowens?
> You don't know everything you know... I would say that Bowen is right. In
> fact, "Hump" would count as XXX rated.
>
> --
> -.Duo. (342836)

strike rapier

Oct 13, 2003, 4:44pm

Did you know... Europe has the 2nd highest standards in the world... second
only to Japan which takes things way way way over the top.

- Mark

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bowen ten.sardna@newob

Oct 13, 2003, 5:52pm

[View Quote] They're not enforced. Otherwise lindows would've been squelched as fast
as they started.

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bowen ten.sardna@newob

Oct 13, 2003, 5:53pm

[View Quote] > Bowen your remarks are offensive....and not in the least humorous.

I'm sorry, where was I trying to not be offensive?

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binarybud

Oct 13, 2003, 6:09pm

Sorry, I forgot, your just naturally offensive.

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binarybud

Oct 13, 2003, 6:10pm

great lame comeback answer HIS question. Stop changing the subject.

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bowen ten.sardna@newob

Oct 13, 2003, 6:18pm

[View Quote] Great lame comeback, it was a rhetorical question. Say it with me,
Rhe-Tor-Hic-Al

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bowen ten.sardna@newob

Oct 13, 2003, 6:18pm

[View Quote] > Sorry, I forgot, your just naturally offensive.

Your sugar relapse is offesnive.

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joeman

Oct 13, 2003, 6:30pm

Agent1 requested me to post this:

http://www.fortworth.bbb.org/commonreport.html?compid=A2061684

-Joe

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"insanity" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message
news:3F8941DD.3301765F at privacy.com...
>
> Greetings to all...
>
> Let me immediately put an end to the false gossip and libelous slandering
> campaign attempt to be started here by Paul!
>
> ALL files on our servers are legally licensed and abide by ALL US
Copyright
> laws. Paul's ignorance to the law.. and his failure to read the site's
notice
> are "HIS" shortcoming and NOT our wrong doing. His post is wrong,
deliberate,
> and malicious in content and purpose(s).
>
> The site is SOLELY a gallery for our users to aide both them and their
builders.
>
> If they have purchased license to use those models and their textures then
they
> have a right for their users to view them! NO ONE has access to the files
that
> has not legally purchased license to use them. The files in the gallery
are
> pitifully reduced low resolution images made solely for online viewing by
their
> builders. Paul is out giving false information.. perhaps he should
threaten AW
> for their converting files to RAS format and providing those images cache
> folders! Users on our services do not access private models unless they
are the
> purchasers of those items.
>
> Now, in reality! My company has worked for many years to protect artists
> rights and property. In our 12 years of being a Film and Entertainment
company,
> we have NEVER had a single loss of file, data, or license. We have spent
> considerable time and effort to protect works. We have attempted to have
AW
> protect artist's property by ceasing it's placing files openly in cache.
That
> is far more than I can say about the person posting here today. We have
even
> been bashed in here for seeking then end of notes being given on how users
could
>
> convert ras to jpg and how to crack passwords. I have seen few others
support
> those protective attempts!
>
> Paul is claiming that if any person buys from himself.. they are NOT
allowed to
> show the files to their world's builder's!!! Be cautious of that!!! Be
> cautious that he might slander you and your guests if they visit your
world
> because they have his so called images in their cache!
>
> License is sold for use of the models in the world purchased for. That is
the
> ONLY place that the licensed models ever get used! That has been true for
many
> years. Heartfall currently stores more than $30,000.00 of privately
licensed
> models for our user base. We have NEVER had a single loss of their
protection.
> Heartfall world hosting services prides itself in that data protection. We
have
> never had a claim that a purchased file was used by another world
unlawfully. We
>
> have exhausted all efforts to prevent that and thus far, successfully so
:)
>
> World owners who have purchased license have the right to have their
user's
> access galleries that allow them to see textures so they can apply create
> texture commands within worlds to match decor. This is a part of the AW
browser
> function and has gone on since the inception of AW! We are NOT
distributing
> files to anyone! We are not offering file use to anyone who does not have
the
> legal license to use them!
>
> People love to gossip and act jealous toward companies which go the extra
mile
> for their users. http://worldhosting.heartfall.com is a company founded
by a
> man of integrity who has received many praises by high society and
government.
> We have gone far and wide to help our users enjoy 3D! We host many cancer
> patients, many handicapped users, many gatekeepers and peace keepers.
People who
>
> appreciate our services. The site referenced is a private client site.
Anyone
> accessing it as a client who is not, is doing so against law as a
trespasser. It
>
> is not an html public site. It records all client access and illegal
access is
> just that, "ILLEGAL" Unlike an http server... this is a "client server"
Paul's
>
> posting the address in this newsgroup is wrong and he publishes private
address
> without legal authorization to do so... therefore a direct violation of
property
>
> and copyright laws.
> Though we are not naive... we understand that many user thrive going
places they
>
> do not belong. That is why we take every effort in protecting the data by
> making only worthless copies of the images available.
>
> There is nothing wrong with what we have done. If Paul is suggesting that
if
> you buy his models and NOT use a texture he sends you for create animate
me in
> world... or else he will attack you, then I would say run far away and run
fast!
>
> For the record... worldhosting.heartfall.com is doing everything to
protect
> artists and their work... If Paul or anyone expects a webmaster in charge
of
> over 30,000 texture images to know what he produces.. then we suggest that
he at
>
> least...
> 1. uniquely name his files.
> 2. legally file copyright with Washington,DC as required by law prior to
any
> publications so that the Library of Congress has a lawful copy of record.
> 3. notify his buyers that they cannot use the texture in any create
texture
> commands prior to purchasing.
> 4. contact Bill Gates in protest as microsoft allows for image sharing as
it
> places all images in cache and allows fast pop up icons each and every
time you
> view an image to "save as" within its browser.
>
> Artists generate their income from the sale of their work. ALL items are
safely
> stored and legally used by our customers in their individual worlds. No
illegal
>
> use is permitted or even allowed.
>
> If Paul and others suggest to you that you cannot have his items on a
rented
> path.. then he naively cuts himself off from the entire real world.. as I
doubt
> there are many people who actually OWN their own path servers like we do.
Most
> all rent space for their paths somewhere on the net. That is just one of
the
> problems of people bashing others in this newsgroup.. the fact that they
are
> ignorant to the facts, ignorant to the law, ignorant to the realities of
the
> internet.. and solely out to cause damage to a leading company. That
clearly
> shows their ill intents...!
>
> Perhaps people should try speaking to one of their buyers and find out the
FACTS
>
> on how well their items are protected before slandering others here and
posting
> libel!
>
> Now, that said... any designer who protests their images being made
available
> to their buyer's world builders... may submit a list of filenames to our
> webmaster. Please note that all world owners will receive copies of all
mail to
> show them why their use is being cut off from them. Please send legal
proof of
> copyright ownership. We simply cannot delete a user's property solely on
the
> whim of a person claiming to own legal copyright. We are speaking of
client
> data. You may very well owe refunds to your buyer's if their data must be
> destroyed at your request. You may also be liable for the value of their
build
> designs destroyed by your absurd request as well. We gladly abide by the
laws...
>
> and we simply ask that complainants do the same. But realize... it will
hurt
> your sales... as buyers will not wish to patronize you when you restrict
use to
> disallow their builders freedom to use the purchases the way AW designed
the
> software, within their builds.
>
> I hope this puts an end to this ugly rumor and post. There is no need for
> commentary by anyone as to their "opinions" If anyone wishes to clarify
the
> legality of this issue.. let's meet in a court of law. I am a U.S. Citizen
and I
>
> am opposed to "TERRORISTS" be them the ones with bombs or the "Cyber
> Terrorists" who create havoc for good ordinary law abiding citizens on
the net.
>
> I would be happy to bring this issue into a court room and shut down this
> illegal act of slandering people at will in this newsgroup. Let it be
known,,
> Paul never gave any opportunity to my company to answer his claims. In fac
t, he
> never even submitted any proper claim or filename. He simply sent a
telegram
> ranting... He went right to make his post to cause us further damage..
> continuing his campaign to damage and interfere with our business. History
shows
>
> full written proof of this act... That is very much... "evidence worthy"
in a
> court of law. The courts are here to "Protect" us.. so that people
spreading
> false stories will be punished for their acts... to cease the actions and
> protect the honest. As well as AW.. Heartfall hosts over $2,000,000.00 of
client
>
> art... ALL that art is protect for the artists. Please cease your
defamation
> now... as you speak of what you know nothing about.
>
> I wish you all well.. and fear not.. as an Artist myself... I would never
give
> forth a piece of art to another that was not lawfully obtained.
>
> InSaNiTy
> www.heartfall.com
> worldhosting.heartfall.com
> www.ObjectYard.com
>
>
>
> paul wrote:
>
the
her
had
have
my
regarding
other
>

binarybud

Oct 13, 2003, 6:39pm

naaa it wasn't he was asking you 'cause he knows you don't have a clue. you just like to argue.

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binarybud

Oct 13, 2003, 6:39pm

lol you don't have a clue do ya? LOL

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bowen ten.sardna@newob

Oct 13, 2003, 6:40pm

[View Quote] > naaa it wasn't he was asking you 'cause he knows you don't have a clue. you just like to argue.

No, the tone of voice indicated that it was rhetorical. Good job, keep
using that nogin baked in sugar.

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bowen ten.sardna@newob

Oct 13, 2003, 6:40pm

[View Quote] > lol you don't have a clue do ya? LOL

Oop, there goes another one.

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belladonna

Oct 13, 2003, 6:44pm

Evil atheist? I believe history has shown that Christians have done the most
evil. Killing and maiming for their God. Ohh but we don't want to get into
that here...Keep your religious anecdotes to yourself because there is no
place for it here!

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belladonna

Oct 13, 2003, 7:04pm

I thank you for all your hard work. I said before I have never had a problem
with you and as always happy with the service you provide.

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"insanity" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message
news:3F8AA58F.BC71A974 at privacy.com...
> First let me start off saying that I am outraged by the deliberate attacks
and what
> appear to be actual "hate crimes" against myself, my company and our
patrons. A
> false campaign of hate which is clear in the newsgroup has be waged
against us for
> over a year now.
>
> The FACTUAL information is this. Our user texture galleries are PRIVATE.
There is
> clear notice that it is illegal for anyone to enter that ASP server
without
> permission. It is not a web html server but a private program system. Our
world
> owners clearly know what they have purchased and what they have not. This
is a
> courtesy to the world owners of the licensed items and their builders
designed to
> aide them in their use of the AW software. These people have purchased the
rights to
> use the items and textures in their worlds. I am quite sickened by the
panic and
> attacks I have received. No one has ever used one of your models on our
systems
> illegally ever! You and others know well that AW provides your textures in
> everyone's cache! We do not offer out the images. We offer a gallery so
that users
> can observe names and therefore use the AW software the way it is meant!
WE HELP
> USERS! WE DO NOT HURT ANYONE!
>
> I am sick of the jealousy and HATE! "RENTED PATH" is such a FALSE
header. Please
> pull your head out of the sand! 99.9% of users "RENT" their path space!
In FACT...
> 100% of users are on "RENTED" services from their ISP's! Even the ISP's
"Rent" the
> bandwidth throughput from backbone providers.
http://worldhosting.heartfall.com set
> up the system years ago to allow users a chance to enjoy owning a world
without the
> hassles of learning to be a computer geek! We do this so that people can
have
> FUN!!! Not to be wrongfully attacked by people running amuck in panic and
fear due
> to their own ignorance of facts! Users pay less than 7 pennies per day to
have
> access to our huge and original path systems! ALL private models have
been
> protected for users and we have NEVER had a single loss of data! Our
galleries are a
> "PRIVATE" program server provided solely to our world owners who have
lawfully
> purchased the license to use the AW software and the models in their
lawful
> possession. I will no tolerate abuses against them! Realize that by your
entering
> the site you are deliberately and knowingly violating the law by entering
a system
> clearly posted as private and ordering you to exit! The system logs every
single
> hit to it. Your ISP is required by law to provide your personal
information to us
> should we request such. As with the lawsuits filed by and on behalf of
music
> companies against users of KAZAA, we may perhaps file lawsuits upon anyone
entering
> our ASP server unlawfully and using that illegal entry to harass our
company and/or
> our customers. We PROTECT the rights of our lawful users to the best of
our
> abilities! Their license purchases give them the rights to use their items
as they
> wish within their worlds!
>
> Until you and other people make demands on AW to stop placing your images
in open
> cache, all images will be made available to aide the builders in their
lawfully
> creative ways. I say this because for us to be forced to harm our user
base would
> be discriminating and punishing them alone while you do knowingly allow
all to
> receive copies of all images into cache! I do not see the artists
complaining to
> the software company, AW, for allowing a cache image gallery on every
computer!
> Therefore you best cease harassing our company! We are doing nothing
wrong,
> unethical, illegal, or infringing upon copyright laws whatsoever! We are
simply
> aiding our lawful users their right to have access to the filenames they
paid for!
>
> NOW if people wish to start making claims then let me suggest a bit of
intellectual
> advice to the novices who feel they can create their own laws. 1. Become a
> professional. 2. Learn how to uniquely prefix filenames so that computers
can
> filter. Too many ignorant people believing computers should be hand picked
through.
> They are "computers" they compute... they are automated systems. People
are being
> so "unrealistic" in their expectations its become absurd. 3. File by law a
copyright
> form and send each original image to the library of congress as required
by law
> prior to any publishing! Wake up and realize that posting to the web is
an act of
> "publication" 4. Seek legal advice and education about the law. Do not
try and make
> it up as you go. 5. Do not threaten unless you have legal grounds or you
may find
> your home and assets at risk quickly! If you demand that we remove the
images you
> best have used due diligence to demand that the software company not allow
the "art"
> gallery on every copy of their browser. When you create works KNOWING
that your
> images are for "USE" within worlds, do not cry when they are being
displayed to
> facilitate that "USE"
>
> NOW, if you can show me how any law is being violated by our showing our
users the
> images that they paid to use so that they can lawfully use them. AND, you
can
> provide lawful proof that you have legally created the images using fully
licensed
> systems and software. AND, you can provide proof that the copyrights are
indeed
> actually your's and not a compilation of work or alteration of someone
else's
> work(s), THEN we will consider honoring your request which ultimately
will harm the
> users who have paid you to use them.
>
> The WCOL Textures galleries are there for lawful users. We are not the
first to have
> galleries to facilitate our users. We will not be the last. We are not
offering the
> images to anyone!. We have spent considerable time and money to insure
that ALL
> property is protected. We have used our "BEST EFFORTS" to protect ALL
artists works.
>
> WE ask that you not be narrow minded in you thought process and that you
NOT follow
> the campaign of HATE and Discrimination so clearly set forth by the mob of
a few!
>
> You will find that you will NOT be able to show any evidence whatsoever
that even
> one single image has ever been wrongfully used. Unless deliberately done
now, after
> the fact, in an attempt to harm our company or our users.
>
> Please people... AW is dying a fast death because of all the bickering and
hateful
> acts put forth by the user base populating and publishing their hate in
these
> newsgroups and amongst the software universe. Heartfall Productions has
worked hard
> for many years to make building easier for users. Many of whom have died
of cancer,
> but enjoyed our easy access to world ownership and building for their
enjoyment in
> their last days! We are here to help! We are here for 365 day immediate
support! We
> are here so that people can EnJoY* during a day an age when suffering is
so great in
> the world.
>
> I ask that the people of this virtual place think... learn... and educate
their
> minds and open their hearts! I ask that they stop following mob rule...
that they
> think before they attack, or condemn out of ignorance and fear! You will
not be
> hurting me... you are simply hurting the users, grandmothers, handicap
persons,
> children, foreign country citizens, everyone of all walks of life... who
came here
> and paid their license fees to EnJoY. They do not deserve the abuses...
They
> deserve what they pay for!
>
> If you have a gripe... complain to Bill Gates for making temp folders on
the
> software. For the immediate pop up "save as" icons over images. Complain
to AW for
> their ART cache. Complain to people like Andras who wrote in these news
groups how
> to convert RAS to JPG. If you LOOK and EDUCATE your minds and read.. you
will see
> historical record where I have fought against people posting how to steal.
I was a
> special guest speaker at the CY Awards a few years back.. my topic..
"Copyrights" on
> the internet. How to protect your work and what you are NOT allowed to do.
Yet most
> of you steal an image, redo it and claim it is yours anyway.
>
> I am not your enemy! I am a person who gives 100% of myself to others
and have all
> my life! I have worked hard to make AW a better place... fighting a
loosing battle
> too! Because of the few who lurk here in the newsgroups and around in
worlds...
> bashing and attacking and teaching people how to steal! I educate all
our users on
> how to be SAFE. How to PROTECT their property. How to have FUN and AVOID
the Bad
> People here that deliberately lurk to harm users. Every single world owner
we
> service can tell you that I have spent time with each, personally, giving
them tips
> on how to safely manage their worlds. I have spent considerable hours and
days,
> months with programmers like Roland seeking fixes to cure theft issues
like the
> open cache! I encouraged him to re-do the seqs methods so that they could
be better
> designed and protected. The designs abilities to seqs and re-writes are
here now..
> sadly I was informed that the cache protection was not authorized by the
> leadership. So ASK AW to protect your work! It is their software that
allows the
> cache thefts!
>
> NOW, That being said... IF designers wish us to block their "PROVEN"
copyrighted
> materials... and BLOCK their buyer's & respective builder's access to
seeing the
> image names... THEN, those designers MUST use unique prefixed filenames
and submit
> in writing, via U.S. Mail, a list along with a signed affidavit swearing
to the fact
> that they are the sole owner of legal copyright. Upon receipt of that
signed
> affidavit, we gladly remove any images they have claim to from the
galleries and
> place notice on the gallery site that all images from that designer are
not
> available at the designers demand, regardless of the impact that has to
the
> licensees' and their builders. That will allow ALL parties to be aware of
the
> reasons why their access has changed. That will also allow buyers to
beware of whom
> will cause their world building creative experiences to be restricted
and/or
> diminished. Personally I believe that is a mistake. I do not believe that
buyers
> would want to purchase from designers who try and RULE how they operate
their
> PRIVATELY owned, bought and paid for worlds. Heartfall hosts more than
$30,000.00 of
> privately owned licensed AW materials. We have proudly done so without a
single loss
> of that data for many years. Why designers are in a panic now based on a
false
> posting... and wish to harm their buying public is beyond me... Perhaps
it is all
> out of fear and rage created by a few mob leaders.. wishing to harm..
rather than
> awaken to logic and reason.
>
> ALL Affidavits must be mailed via U.S. Mail, signed and notarized. We
require
> mailing via the U.S. Postal service for the protection and laws provided
for under
> "mail fraud" guidelines. We hope that this will limited any such requests
to only
> legitimate claims and therefore reduce the risks to our users from being
wrongfully
> discriminated against. Discrimination is a very serious offense and act
which
> violates the individual freedoms or persons. We will use our best efforts
to fight
> discriminations of any kind which can harm any person. This is all meant
to aide the
> protection of actual copyright owners as well as the legal licensee's
rights.
>
> Any designer who wishes to have further discussion in this matter is
welcome to
> phone us directly. If they have limited financial resources and reside in
the United
> States they may contact us and provide a phone number to reach them at. I
will
> gladly phone them personally at my expense to help them better understand
the
> logistics, laws and reasons we provide such thorough care and protection
as best we
> can. Our contact information is clearly available, published on our web
site at
> http://www.heartfall.com
>
> I would also like to WARN buyers to beware of purchasing from any web site
that does
> not clearly offer you adequate forms of contact such as: A:) mailing
address B:)
> phone numbers to contact the company you are about to do business with.
Specially if
> you are purchasing using a credit card. This is internet commerce
safety -101. ALSO
> beware of purchasing on the Internet, any produce that does not clearly
state it's
> license of use and fails to list it's sales and return policies. Protect
yourself!
> Be a wise and informed consumer. Demand professionalism in return for your
monies!
> ALL legit business will gladly provide you with this information in an
easy to
> locate page.
>
> Let's try and make this virtual environment a better place for all! Let's
band
> together and rid ourselves of the HATE mongers, bigots, racists and cyber
terrorists
> that lurk around here! Let's show support to those working hard to
protect user!
> Let's NOT follow behind the mob of narrow minded hate!
>
> I wish you all well... I sincerely hope that this has enlightened the
readers and
> done some good for the betterment of all.
>
> Peace, health & healing....
>
> Lars Wyka aka InSaNiTy
> http://worldhosting.heartfall.com
>
>
>
> insanity wrote:
>
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paul

Oct 14, 2003, 9:27pm

yes Lady Nighthawk I did make those textures. I do use public domain
textures too and I would never think of claiming those as my own or where
they can or can not show up. I'm only concerned about the textures I
create. I simply want what is mine used the way the way I state in my Terms
of Use which are clearly posted in Ganymede. Some modelers here don't even
want you to open their rwx files, much less change them. Edit mine anyway
you want as long as they are used only in your worlds. If the surface
light settings or textures don't suit your taste on my models or if there is
a Clump you would not like to be in the model then change it to suit you
as long as you realize that the model is still mine and I'm allowing you to
make any changes you like for your world's use. Just like you can modify
the look of Windows to suite your own taste and add 3rd party windows tools
to help you better use your system. Microsoft allows you to do this but
your windows OS still belongs to Microsoft.
How many modelers around here can you name that will allow you that
flexibility?
You want to use what you buy and I want what I sell to be protected by the
people who buy it :) That's all.

Paul

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