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Oct 12, 2003, 8:26pm

So you hate people because they provide products to a user base which amounts to
90% of AW's incomes? Within worlds that are privately bought and paid for? Are
you some kind of freak? Or did GOD not create you NUDE at birth? Please do not
spout off some false doctrines... Torture devices? This is 3D... "virtual"
dear... like a cartoon... I have yet to see an avatar tortured. I guess in your
mind Steven Speilberg actually kills soldiers for his movies?
At least you have shown your TRUE intentions! You post because you HATE my
company because we will help ANYONE to have their fun in VIRTUAL reality. My
life experiences have shown me life and death so many times. I am wise enough to
respect that people are entitled to their fun in the privacy of their own
homes! If it makes them smile than that is a GOOD thing! There is enough pain
and sorrow in reality... Please show me what YOU have done for real life
society? I myself have done much and continue to do so! I help people... I
don't attack because of my personal beliefs like you are showing you do... AW's
guidelines? Does that include illegal gambling in bingo which you must pay to
play? Does that include teaching children that your idol admits to wrong doing
and ignoring law and property infringement? Please..... If a user wants to run
around in a nude comic book character form let them... if it makes them smile
and be happy... I'll make it for them! yes.. that is far better than seeing a
head blown into pieces from a shotgun... or wife who cut her husband to
pieces... So show me how I can further help people to avoid those types of
pains... I sure wouldn't force prudery onto them and then hand them the shells
:) I am still laughing at the AWI guidelines.... those must be as honorable as
the FREE citizenship's that came with world purchases which have been stolen
away from those worlds... or the choice of tourist access which also was
wrongfully stolen away from those same purchased worlds... Yes... ethics,
morals... Please let's get some into this place before it is closed down for
illegal acts such as the HATE CRIMEs perpetrated by a certain mob group
here...! Let's respect other's privacy... as the US government used to do for
people in their own homes before the jack boots started to dwindle away the
constitution. If you don't like nude avatars daphne.. then stay out of the
worlds who buy them... they are PRIVATE worlds! What part of word of private
confused you? Like the abortion to the CY Awards last year based on fears and
mobs... simply put... hold 2 CY's, a daytime G rated and then the majority R
rated at night... instead of trying to control private citizens who harm no
one... Guess you never thought that perhaps a person in a nude avatar is trying
to recreate what they lost by being paralyzed? Or some other disability... Not
your place to judge... not mine either... MY GOD placed me here to help... to
save life where I can... I have faithfully lived that to fruition... I do not
discriminate because of Race, Color, Religion or Personal Choices... That is
not my right... I simply HELP people... Hopefully some day you will get past
your fears and personal bigitries. I wish you the best.




[View Quote] > Yeah.. nude avatars which, are supposedly against AWI's guidlines, are some
> of the avatars you'd find on Heartfall... And let's not forget the torture
> devices that are probably on the Heartfall server too, for the Gorean's (and
> other's) use...Everyone get out their bank books and go buy some T&A!!!
> :o)
>
> There you go, Insanity!!! I just helped you sell more web space or avs and
> objects!!!
>
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Oct 12, 2003, 8:32pm

[View Quote] > So you hate people because they provide products to a user base which amounts to
> 90% of AW's incomes? Within worlds that are privately bought and paid for? Are
> you some kind of freak? Or did GOD not create you NUDE at birth? Please do not

He might've... but certainly not with an erection SEQ.

> spout off some false doctrines... Torture devices? This is 3D... "virtual"
> dear... like a cartoon... I have yet to see an avatar tortured. I guess in your
> mind Steven Speilberg actually kills soldiers for his movies?

Characters are a metaphorical representation of people, they are
killed... yes. I thought you were a director/actor?

> At least you have shown your TRUE intentions! You post because you HATE my
> company because we will help ANYONE to have their fun in VIRTUAL reality. My

Who doesn't? Besides you... and you.... and you again... and maybe some
other person who you bribe... then you a 4th time.

> life experiences have shown me life and death so many times. I am wise enough to
> respect that people are entitled to their fun in the privacy of their own
> homes! If it makes them smile than that is a GOOD thing! There is enough pain
> and sorrow in reality... Please show me what YOU have done for real life

You want one thing? Daphne hosts AWTrivia. There.

> society? I myself have done much and continue to do so! I help people... I
> don't attack because of my personal beliefs like you are showing you do... AW's
> guidelines? Does that include illegal gambling in bingo which you must pay to
> play? Does that include teaching children that your idol admits to wrong doing
> and ignoring law and property infringement? Please..... If a user wants to run
> around in a nude comic book character form let them... if it makes them smile

A more accurate correlation would be "If a person wants to run around
naked in a G movie, let them." AWI has recently begun steps to improve
this problem. Let's not forget that they're on your site, unprotected,
in image form, for all the eyes to see.

> and be happy... I'll make it for them! yes.. that is far better than seeing a
> head blown into pieces from a shotgun... or wife who cut her husband to
> pieces... So show me how I can further help people to avoid those types of
> pains... I sure wouldn't force prudery onto them and then hand them the shells
> :) I am still laughing at the AWI guidelines.... those must be as honorable as
> the FREE citizenship's that came with world purchases which have been stolen
> away from those worlds... or the choice of tourist access which also was
> wrongfully stolen away from those same purchased worlds... Yes... ethics,
> morals... Please let's get some into this place before it is closed down for
> illegal acts such as the HATE CRIMEs perpetrated by a certain mob group

Oh lordy, here comes that "HATE CRIMEs" shit again.

> here...! Let's respect other's privacy... as the US government used to do for
> people in their own homes before the jack boots started to dwindle away the
> constitution. If you don't like nude avatars daphne.. then stay out of the

Too bad the constitution does not guaruntee your safety. It also gives
the government right to do anything they want, let's see... they could
also rape you to death if they felt it necessary for the safety of the
country and its citizens. The elastic clause buddy, the elastic clause.
It gives them the right to do _anything_ they damn well please. Most
countries in the world have this same clause.

> worlds who buy them... they are PRIVATE worlds! What part of word of private
> confused you? Like the abortion to the CY Awards last year based on fears and
> mobs... simply put... hold 2 CY's, a daytime G rated and then the majority R
> rated at night... instead of trying to control private citizens who harm no
> one... Guess you never thought that perhaps a person in a nude avatar is trying
> to recreate what they lost by being paralyzed? Or some other disability... Not
> your place to judge... not mine either... MY GOD placed me here to help... to
> save life where I can... I have faithfully lived that to fruition... I do not
> discriminate because of Race, Color, Religion or Personal Choices... That is

Last I checked, neither does she. Wee this is fun.

--
--Bowen--
http://bowen.homelinux.com
I know you want to join my army.

Oct 12, 2003, 8:34pm

AHH a bit of honesty finally! You attack me without merits simply because you
harbor hatred within you for some of our customers... I guess you wrap up the
people who I just completed prayer sequences for as evil too huh? How about if
I told you the true life story of how I made Christ's body bleed in a film for
the largest Christian broadcast network in the world? Would you bash them too
simply because it is I and I help people you hate?

HATE is a BAD thing! Nothing disturbs me more than a person who claims to be
good but starts off with hatred which is sooo bad. If I recall, all are born
naked. I think you better castigate your GOD then for that... You obviously
feel you are above him and he wrong in his (her) decision to do that... Please
go out and enjoy some flowers blooming... enjoy their beauty... then look
closely... they are NUDE!!!! Nature did not force inhibitions down their
gullets. Mankind would have been better off had they not either! But then
again you might support the burning of babies flesh in Iraq as a just act! Even
though it was all based on lies! Me... I say it is wrong to starve and kill
babies... I say its wrong to harm people you don't know, like you have me...
simply because of your personal beliefs.

[View Quote] > Go blow your horn to someone that is more likely to believe you than I ever
> will be, Insanity.. :o)
>
> I do stick up for ppl that have actually shown me that they care about
> AWI... To me, you show that you don't really care for the spirit of AW
> since you host worlds like the ones slave owners like to create..
>
> Paul and Andras both help others daily... You are not the only one around
> that knows how to do good for others... I guess it's the choice of some
> of the ppl you decide to do good for that I disagree with...
>
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Oct 12, 2003, 8:43pm

Wait, but don't AWI guidelines really only apply to AWI worlds?

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Oct 12, 2003, 8:54pm

Like the abortion to the CY Awards last year based on fears and
> mobs... simply put... hold 2 CY's, a daytime G rated and then the majority
R
> rated at night...

Did someone mentions Cys?:)

FYI...the Cys are "F" rated for fun!:)

I came up with my own world rating for the Cys actually...pretty cute eh?:)

Anyways, the Cys guidelines are based on AWI's Guidelines listed at
http://www.activeworlds.com/community/terms.asp

We are a world residing in AW Universe and agree to thier terms.

I have spoken to numerous Adult world owners and have been told they would
appreciate it if the Cys didn't allow Adult rated worlds, as they don't want
to be combating the "under aged users" that would be tempted to see what had
won.

I had also been told by some Adult world owners that are IRL parents that
they would be concerned also if their children were tempted to adult worlds.

Two things I would like to bring to light here.

1. Insanity, you and some of your world owners and builders make very
beautiful things and are very deserving of a thousand Cys! I don't care what
your preferences are adult material or not....ya'll are AW Masters at some
things. (Note:not referring to Gor Masters:)

2. Daphne, I wish you were privvy to the concern of the Adult world owners
and could respect them for sharing your identical concerns:)

Well...that's all I have to say about that for now:)

Hugggs;)

Bit:)

Oct 12, 2003, 9:08pm

Keep up the good work bit! You have done well and work very hard at it!
As do your team!

[View Quote] > Like the abortion to the CY Awards last year based on fears and
> R
>
> Did someone mentions Cys?:)
>
> FYI...the Cys are "F" rated for fun!:)
>
> I came up with my own world rating for the Cys actually...pretty cute eh?:)
>
> Anyways, the Cys guidelines are based on AWI's Guidelines listed at
> http://www.activeworlds.com/community/terms.asp
>
> We are a world residing in AW Universe and agree to thier terms.
>
> I have spoken to numerous Adult world owners and have been told they would
> appreciate it if the Cys didn't allow Adult rated worlds, as they don't want
> to be combating the "under aged users" that would be tempted to see what had
> won.
>
> I had also been told by some Adult world owners that are IRL parents that
> they would be concerned also if their children were tempted to adult worlds.
>
> Two things I would like to bring to light here.
>
> 1. Insanity, you and some of your world owners and builders make very
> beautiful things and are very deserving of a thousand Cys! I don't care what
> your preferences are adult material or not....ya'll are AW Masters at some
> things. (Note:not referring to Gor Masters:)
>
> 2. Daphne, I wish you were privvy to the concern of the Adult world owners
> and could respect them for sharing your identical concerns:)
>
> Well...that's all I have to say about that for now:)
>
> Hugggs;)
>
> Bit:)

Oct 12, 2003, 9:32pm

I meant content guidelines BTW. Ofcourse the EULA applies everywhere.

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Oct 12, 2003, 9:39pm

Awwww...thanks sweetie:)
We try!

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Oct 12, 2003, 9:53pm

We've seen it before, we'll see it again. I'm personally thanking InSaNiTy
for keeping me entertained while he gets into one legal entanglement after
another. Will the fun never stop? I certainly hope not.

-Joe

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Oct 12, 2003, 10:13pm

You guys all need to be kicked in the face nine times.

Shut it up, shut it up you.

Oct 12, 2003, 10:14pm

[View Quote] Oh... ud be suprised at the figures... and theyre nowhere near 90%

> Within worlds that are privately bought and paid for? Are
> you some kind of freak? Or did GOD not create you NUDE at birth?

Daphne nude *Shivers*

> Please do not
> spout off some false doctrines... Torture devices? This is 3D...
"virtual"
> dear... like a cartoon... I have yet to see an avatar tortured.

You havent!? Let me introduce you to the famous Echelon and your Av will be
slung around so much your RL body will hurt :)

> I guess in your
> mind Steven Speilberg actually kills soldiers for his movies?
> At least you have shown your TRUE intentions! You post because you HATE
my
> company because we will help ANYONE to have their fun in VIRTUAL reality.

By defenition, your company is out to make money... The image of helping is
just part of PR... of which ive spent pleanty of time evaluating..

> My
> life experiences have shown me life and death so many times. I am wise
enough to
> respect that people are entitled to their fun in the privacy of their own
> homes! If it makes them smile than that is a GOOD thing! There is
enough pain
> and sorrow in reality...

> Please show me what YOU have done for real life
> society?

Ok... I don't know Daph too well.. if its half of what she does in VR this
statement of yours is voided.


> I myself have done much and continue to do so! I help people... I
> don't attack because of my personal beliefs like you are showing you do...
AW's
> guidelines? Does that include illegal gambling in bingo which you must
pay to
> play? Does that include teaching children that your idol admits to wrong
doing
> and ignoring law and property infringement?

Oh pleaseeee, I dare say that there is something out there than us people
who admire Andras's ability can show him... Most likely something to do with
a better way to steal your op! I count 4 ways at the moment... possibly 5.

> Please..... If a user wants to run
> around in a nude comic book character form let them... if it makes them
smile
> and be happy... I'll make it for them! yes.. that is far better than
seeing a
> head blown into pieces from a shotgun... or wife who cut her husband to
> pieces...

Oh... so youve never seen the events in AWTeen then? hehehe

> So show me how I can further help people to avoid those types of
> pains...

You restart your computers... go into dos and type 'fdisk /mbr' followed by
'format c:' and then you dont reinstall...


> I sure wouldn't force prudery onto them and then hand them the shells
> :) I am still laughing at the AWI guidelines.... those must be as
honorable as
> the FREE citizenship's that came with world purchases which have been
stolen
> away from those worlds...

> or the choice of tourist access which also was
> wrongfully stolen away from those same purchased worlds... Yes...
ethics,
> morals... Please let's get some into this place before it is closed down
for
> illegal acts such as the HATE CRIMEs perpetrated by a certain mob group
> here...!

<Not a threat> do you WANT to see hate crimes?? </Not a threat>

> Let's respect other's privacy... as the US government used to do for
> people in their own homes before the jack boots started to dwindle away
the
> constitution. If you don't like nude avatars daphne.. then stay out of the
> worlds who buy them... they are PRIVATE worlds! What part of word of
private
> confused you? Like the abortion to the CY Awards last year based on fears
and
> mobs... simply put... hold 2 CY's, a daytime G rated and then the majority
R
> rated at night... instead of trying to control private citizens who harm
no
> one... Guess you never thought that perhaps a person in a nude avatar is
trying
> to recreate what they lost by being paralyzed?

I am so laughing at you right now... and its 1:00 so im trying to not wake
anyone up!

> Or some other disability... Not
> your place to judge... not mine either... MY GOD placed me here to
help...

Well MY GOD, ie: ME, 0wnz your object hosting rear (and all your passwords
for that matter). And MY GOD, ie: Me, put me here to a) program b) cause
hell and c) stick up for daphne and other usually annoying people when they
have a good point.

> to
> save life where I can... I have faithfully lived that to fruition... I do
not
> discriminate because of Race, Color, Religion or Personal Choices...
That is
> not my right... I simply HELP people... Hopefully some day you will get
past
> your fears and personal bigitries. I wish you the best.

Oct 12, 2003, 10:15pm

Nah, no explicit material etc applies everywhere.

- Mark

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Oct 12, 2003, 10:17pm

SWE you crack me up!

- Mark

[View Quote] > emm, my 3ds max is fully legal. since i believe the copyright laws dont
> actually affect libya, i have every right to break them ^_^.
> p.s to activeworlds employees: im not in libya, im in, emmm, england! :)
>
> -SWE

Oct 12, 2003, 10:22pm

[View Quote] Yes... burn them, burn them all! (Ie: put the gestures on a floppy disk and
burn them!) I mean who the heck wants prayer gestures... isnt that kinda
being a) lazy b) defeating the point

> How about if
> I told you the true life story of how I made Christ's body bleed in a film
for
> the largest Christian broadcast network in the world?

SWE, get thy 3dSm tooting bottom here and do this would you... hopefully
will give insanity a lil insight onto the shared abilities in AW.
>
Would you bash them too
> simply because it is I and I help people you hate?

The friend of my enemy is my enemy eh?

> HATE is a BAD thing! Nothing disturbs me more than a person who claims
to be
> good but starts off with hatred which is sooo bad.

Im good... im good at causing hell :)

> If I recall, all are born
> naked. I think you better castigate your GOD then for that...

Prove this 'God' of yours exists... for I believe I am thy only God.

> You obviously
> feel you are above him and he wrong in his (her) decision to do that...
Please
> go out and enjoy some flowers blooming... enjoy their beauty... then look
> closely... they are NUDE!!!!

Not quite... the term nude only applies to animals, not plants.

> Nature did not force inhibitions down their
> gullets. Mankind would have been better off had they not either! But
then
> again you might support the burning of babies flesh in Iraq as a just act!

*sigh* Please be notified a certain dictator maimed women and children with
his own troops to show to TV cameras claiming it was the western alies. Fact
proven.

> Even
> though it was all based on lies! Me... I say it is wrong to starve and
kill
> babies... I say its wrong to harm people you don't know, like you have
me...
> simply because of your personal beliefs.

I know you... you never shut up about yourself... please say that means I
can harm you?

- Mark

Oct 12, 2003, 10:32pm

[View Quote] Took me all of 30 seconds to find it... Note: Sam Spade is a very VERY nice
tool... header spoofing, that kinda thing :) And Google is fun too.. Search
for 'h4x0r InSaNiTy'

> Had that not been your intent you would not have
> included they very proprietary link! Nor would you have jumped to
conclusions
> falsely. The site is a .org for one thing.

Did you know... awcommunity.org is owned by Active Worlds Inc... a corprate
company, and though the development of its community it gains profit? Short
of the Gov, Edu and Mil extensions, they mean nothing.

> not a .com for commerce. Secondly you
> accuse users of improper use when in fact there has been absolutely none
> whatsoever. On the phone you told me you were posting an apology. What I
have
> read that you posted was hardly that. NOW, let me tell the users, that YOU
PAUL,
> expect everyone in the real world to know brassp1.jpg is your's and your's
to
> demand used certain ways. That is absurd.

Why? Ive managed to do it before...

> Your file was not even professionally
> prefixed uniquely for any filtering process to determine it was your's.
> Please... do the right thing... admit you over reacted to something that
was
> never a problem! Had you e-mailed the webmaster properly giving filenames
and
> proof of your claim to ownership of copyright... they would have been
removed,
> even though that causes their licensee's hardships... But you failed to
do
> that... you jumped into a "news" group.. not with NEWS... but with an
AGENDA for
> affect...

Your only just realising thats what these newsgroups are for...?

> Please... honesty is a much better way to conduct life... Heartfall
> Productions is a company that helps users 7 days a week, 365 days each
year...
> Your post was wrong to attack our user's private access site. From your
post...
> attacks and noted thefts have now occurred... is that a pleasing event
for
> your Sunday?

Yes, certainally made by day... I give Andras 100 out of 10 for aquiring
your site... I guess it saves having to use POST exploits :O

> It's not for mine or the many users... Not to mention your
> attitude is that users who buy from you are thieves! Our customers have
honor

Ohhh, so thats where all the klingon avatars are from...

> and no desire whatsoever to use what they have not properly paid for. The
site
> clearly states the purpose of the galleries. Perhaps because your friends
here
> wallow in hate and libelous posts... you forget that there are HONEST
users out
> there...
> I wish you the best Paul and i hope that you have learned something from
this...
> I hope that you and others out there learn to properly name files. It
never
> ceases to amaze me how people using a PC forget that computers are made to
> automate tasks... you expect a mind reader to know brassp1.jpg must be
used to
> your specific terms.. you can use, he can't, she can, no, not upside
down...
> geez.. please follow LAW as a guideline.. don't corrupt it and make it as
you
> go.. that only lends for misunderstandings by users... If you "Allow"
someone
> to alter the file they buy from you.. that alteration becomes their new
unique
> copyright! Simply the law! That is why professional artists do not
allow
> alterations, unless the license specifically allows for them to do as they
> wish... not as you discriminate to... Why do virtual users feel they can
ignore
> law and make up their own?

> I wish people would clean up their acts! This hate filled newsgroup
trashing
> only leads to users being hurt and the entire program being placed into
> financial and legal jeopardy. It certainly does NOT promote "COMMUNITY"
for
> which it is titled after.

Oh.. it dosent mean promotion community... if you resolve the true domain
for the news server its actually
news://community.deathmatch.activeworlds.com

> For those who wish for honest service by hosts who care about making their
life
> fun... so they can avoid trash filled places like this and turn for help
where
> they know they can find help... Come see Heartfall and it's many happy
world
> owners.

Or... please ask on the NG... there must be quite a few hosts...

> They can tell you the TRUTHS. We help people so they can EnJoY*
>
> I hope this bashing campaign will end now...
>
> By the way.. for those who love attacking my screen name... InSaNiTy is
chosen
> because it is simply "insane" that we offer so much in 3D for so very
little...

Listen, fool... The bandwidth its taken me to download your posts... you OWE
me about 10x the combined total of your entire OP....

> Always driving to push 3d to new heights for further new enjoyable
experiences.
>
> InSaNiTy
> worldhosting.heartfall.com

Oct 12, 2003, 10:35pm

You have GOT to be kidding... why do you think there are people here with
pitchfolks (and the odd crackpot like SWE tottting a machine gun made in a
'fully legal' version of 3dsm?)

Insanity... a good reputation? Hell for the bandwidth he uses on his
rants... we could host the object path he has on here! Course.. if E N ZO
wasnt a silly bananna and NUKED THE RUDDY NEWSGROUPS, we could show you the
evidence.

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Oct 12, 2003, 10:36pm

9 times? thats a lot of kicks... I know im good at kicking but 9 times per
person? Yikes!

- Mark

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Oct 12, 2003, 10:39pm

Gahhh Jebus, how many posts am I making tonight :S

Hmmm... Business Studies period one... then double ICT working with IIS and
ASP... fun... I need sleep!

- Mark

Oct 12, 2003, 10:44pm

I guess you missed where the came from..

-Joe

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Oct 12, 2003, 10:46pm

Yes... I most likely did...

[View Quote] > I guess you missed where the came from..
>
> -Joe

Oct 12, 2003, 10:55pm

[View Quote] He does... thats why its so bloody difficult to try and get one over on
him... and why its so easy to do on you.... 50mb and rising..

> As for your theft and public announcement of the direct copyright
infringement...
> Karma... Being able to steal... does not make the theft ok...
> As far as your comment "great stuff indeed" < Very fooish comment...
> All of the images are so greatly reduced their merit as textures for 3D is
nil.
> But you have shown this... You have shown that you lack moral fiber...

Moral fiber... does that stop moral constipation... ? As much as Andras
sometimes bugs me... His moral fible is in sufficent quantities to box it as
cerial.

> and you.. a competitive world host showing no respect to copyright. I
certainly would > have nothing
> to do with a host that openly admits to stealing from the web.

Didnt you understand... he wasnt stealing, cause it had no limits to it....

> Hardly would host my private and purchased goods with an admitted thief.
Now at least > people see where your character is at and what it is.
> So it is true... even from bad things can come good... We are all now
better informed *S*

*S* I hate you Insanity :)

> InSaNiTy
> worldhosting.heartfall.com

Oct 12, 2003, 11:05pm

Looky what I found!


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copies of all avatars sent to us to avoid this fee.

Heartfall will not host Worlds containing X-rated material or links.

> You state yourself you host X rated avatars for the physically dissabled..
ha ha ha.

Heartfall Productions reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.
Heartfall reserves the right to hold worlds "closed" at anytime payment is
past due 10 days.

> Are you aware that if you close worlds, and do not relinquish control, you
can be sued... either that or someone sends a nice message to your server
telling it to dissconect...

Upon 30 days of being past due, world will be considered forfeited for non
payment and become the property of Heartfall Production

> Ohhh sorry, such action is directly against AWI guidelines on
none-transferable property... Your comments here give AWI full and
unresticted righty to kick you from the software if they so wish.

unless satisfactory arrangements have been made. Please contact us
immediately should you be unable to make payment so that satisfactory
arrangements may be made.
We look forward to your business. Should you have any questions or need
special assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us at (817) 543-2049
or Email us at hosting at heartfall.com

Oct 13, 2003, 1:45am

strike rapier <strike at Rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f89fa63 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
<snip>
>
> Heartfall will not host Worlds containing X-rated material or links.
>
dissabled..
> ha ha ha.
>
I do not recall him saying anything about x-rated, just nude. I have never
understood what is so "bad" in nudity that is has to be x-rated, when at the
same time AWI has avatars on their OPs that carry a gun, which in my opinion
is much more x-rated. Something I would rather "protect" my children from if
I had any. I have seen avatars in the form of a preacher, also something
that I consider damaging for ones mind.

I wonder if there will ever come a day when people will realize that nudity
is nothing bad, as a matter of fact it is the most natural state to be in.
People, go join a naturist club, and stop fighting :)

Drac
<snip>

Oct 13, 2003, 3:06am

> I do not recall him saying anything about x-rated, just nude. I have never
> understood what is so "bad" in nudity that is has to be x-rated, when at the
> same time AWI has avatars on their OPs that carry a gun, which in my opinion
> is much more x-rated. Something I would rather "protect" my children from if
> I had any. I have seen avatars in the form of a preacher, also something
> that I consider damaging for ones mind.
>
> I wonder if there will ever come a day when people will realize that nudity
> is nothing bad, as a matter of fact it is the most natural state to be in.
> People, go join a naturist club, and stop fighting :)

Nude with an erection while the female nude avatar assumes the "slave
position." Yeah, nothing X-rated with that...

--
--Bowen--
http://bowen.homelinux.com
I know you want to join my army.

Oct 13, 2003, 3:40am

If you want to see if Andras really did download parts of (or your
entire) Web site, you can simply check your Web server logs for his IP
address. If you don't know how to get his IP address (since both of you
are world hosts), I can't help you.

Since Web pages are in a digital format and are usually in an
unencrypted state, it is very simple to save them locally on your own
hard drive. Isn't there a feature in Internet Explorer that let's you
read Web pages off-line? There are also countless programs out there
that allow you to download all of the HTML, text, graphics, sounds, etc.
of a Web site (Teleport Pro being an example) and save the contents to
your own computer. You can block a great deal of them by using
robots.txt and .htaccess files, but you can never guarantee that someone
won't fake a referrer field or use another method to get by.

You can use one of those JavaScript HTML encrypter programs, but people
with JavaScript disabled won't be able to see your site. You could also
digitally watermark each and every one of your graphic files on your
site, if you really wanted to. Simply put: while there are ways to deter
digital theft, nothing is really foolproof. Also, in the United States
and in other countries, there are fair use laws in place that allow
others to use copyrighted material in certain ways (usually for
personal, noncommercial use).

While it may be against your site's Terms of Use or copyright/trademark
notice (if you even have one), I don't believe it is illegal to simply
have a copy of your site stored on a person's computer. Heck, why do
think there is a caching mechanism built into Web browsers? Oh, that's
another thing, you can force browsers that visit your site not to cache
it if you are really paranoid about theft.

What it comes down to is the intent. If Andras sets up a new Web site
saying ill things about your service or customers or tries to go off and
pass your site as his own, then that may be grounds for legal action.
But simply downloading your Web site to his local hard drive for his own
personal use is another matter entirely. If you want to even the score,
go to his Web site and download it to your system. Now you are even. Can
we stop this now?

Builderz
http://www.3dhost.net

Oct 13, 2003, 4:31am

*cough* Erection*cough*masters*cough, choke*submissive*wheeze*slaves*gag*
;-"D

Oct 13, 2003, 8:33am

I must have missed that part; the man produce so much text that it is hard
to keep up, however, I have a hard time beliving that this would be what is
on the OP by default. I more like think this is an option for adultoriented
worlds?

I personally do not care if the only avatar in the worlds I host would be a
huge dick; it is the business of the worldowner. Since there is a x-rated
option in the worldfeatures, I assume it is ok to have x-rated worlds; why
else would AWI in the first place have an option for that ?
We could of course argue the ratings until we die (what I think is x-rated,
might not be that in someone elses opinon and vice verca etc etc)

Drac
bowen <ten.sardna at newob> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f8a32b8 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
never
the
opinion
from if
something
nudity
in.
>
> Nude with an erection while the female nude avatar assumes the "slave
> position." Yeah, nothing X-rated with that...
>
> --
> --Bowen--
> http://bowen.homelinux.com
> I know you want to join my army.
>

Oct 13, 2003, 11:04am

Really? Then why the hell does Gor not get blown off the face of AW?

--
-.Duo. (342836)
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Oct 13, 2003, 11:26am

Our site stating that will will not host X rated materials is correct. As=

written by law, we will not host any "X" rated materials. These are "X" r=
ated by
"LAW" meaning images and movies etc. A cartoon avatar showing natural ana=
tomy
resemblance or gestures in NOT X rated by any laws which we are aware of.=

People WAKE UP !!! People are dying today!!! The world is at WAR!!! Sto=
p this
hate bashing!!! Try being nice and helping your fellow man have safe fu=
n and
enjoyment.. put forth some effort to be good... stop your abusive ways!


[View Quote] > I must have missed that part; the man produce so much text that it is =
hard
> to keep up, however, I have a hard time beliving that this would be wha=
t is
> on the OP by default. I more like think this is an option for adultorie=
nted
> worlds?
>
> I personally do not care if the only avatar in the worlds I host would =
be a
> huge dick; it is the business of the worldowner. Since there is a x-rat=
ed
> option in the worldfeatures, I assume it is ok to have x-rated worlds; =
why
> else would AWI in the first place have an option for that ?
> We could of course argue the ratings until we die (what I think is x-ra=
ted,
> might not be that in someone elses opinon and vice verca etc etc)
>
> Drac
> bowen <ten.sardna at newob> kirjoitti
> viestiss=E4:3f8a32b8 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
e
> never
en at
> the
y
> opinion
n
> from if
> something
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> nudity
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> in.

Oct 13, 2003, 11:28am

First let me start off saying that I am outraged by the deliberate attacks and what
appear to be actual "hate crimes" against myself, my company and our patrons. A
false campaign of hate which is clear in the newsgroup has be waged against us for
over a year now.

The FACTUAL information is this. Our user texture galleries are PRIVATE. There is
clear notice that it is illegal for anyone to enter that ASP server without
permission. It is not a web html server but a private program system. Our world
owners clearly know what they have purchased and what they have not. This is a
courtesy to the world owners of the licensed items and their builders designed to
aide them in their use of the AW software. These people have purchased the rights to
use the items and textures in their worlds. I am quite sickened by the panic and
attacks I have received. No one has ever used one of your models on our systems
illegally ever! You and others know well that AW provides your textures in
everyone's cache! We do not offer out the images. We offer a gallery so that users
can observe names and therefore use the AW software the way it is meant! WE HELP
USERS! WE DO NOT HURT ANYONE!

I am sick of the jealousy and HATE! "RENTED PATH" is such a FALSE header. Please
pull your head out of the sand! 99.9% of users "RENT" their path space! In FACT...
100% of users are on "RENTED" services from their ISP's! Even the ISP's "Rent" the
bandwidth throughput from backbone providers. http://worldhosting.heartfall.com set
up the system years ago to allow users a chance to enjoy owning a world without the
hassles of learning to be a computer geek! We do this so that people can have
FUN!!! Not to be wrongfully attacked by people running amuck in panic and fear due
to their own ignorance of facts! Users pay less than 7 pennies per day to have
access to our huge and original path systems! ALL private models have been
protected for users and we have NEVER had a single loss of data! Our galleries are a
"PRIVATE" program server provided solely to our world owners who have lawfully
purchased the license to use the AW software and the models in their lawful
possession. I will no tolerate abuses against them! Realize that by your entering
the site you are deliberately and knowingly violating the law by entering a system
clearly posted as private and ordering you to exit! The system logs every single
hit to it. Your ISP is required by law to provide your personal information to us
should we request such. As with the lawsuits filed by and on behalf of music
companies against users of KAZAA, we may perhaps file lawsuits upon anyone entering
our ASP server unlawfully and using that illegal entry to harass our company and/or
our customers. We PROTECT the rights of our lawful users to the best of our
abilities! Their license purchases give them the rights to use their items as they
wish within their worlds!

Until you and other people make demands on AW to stop placing your images in open
cache, all images will be made available to aide the builders in their lawfully
creative ways. I say this because for us to be forced to harm our user base would
be discriminating and punishing them alone while you do knowingly allow all to
receive copies of all images into cache! I do not see the artists complaining to
the software company, AW, for allowing a cache image gallery on every computer!
Therefore you best cease harassing our company! We are doing nothing wrong,
unethical, illegal, or infringing upon copyright laws whatsoever! We are simply
aiding our lawful users their right to have access to the filenames they paid for!

NOW if people wish to start making claims then let me suggest a bit of intellectual
advice to the novices who feel they can create their own laws. 1. Become a
professional. 2. Learn how to uniquely prefix filenames so that computers can
filter. Too many ignorant people believing computers should be hand picked through.
They are "computers" they compute... they are automated systems. People are being
so "unrealistic" in their expectations its become absurd. 3. File by law a copyright
form and send each original image to the library of congress as required by law
prior to any publishing! Wake up and realize that posting to the web is an act of
"publication" 4. Seek legal advice and education about the law. Do not try and make
it up as you go. 5. Do not threaten unless you have legal grounds or you may find
your home and assets at risk quickly! If you demand that we remove the images you
best have used due diligence to demand that the software company not allow the "art"
gallery on every copy of their browser. When you create works KNOWING that your
images are for "USE" within worlds, do not cry when they are being displayed to
facilitate that "USE"

NOW, if you can show me how any law is being violated by our showing our users the
images that they paid to use so that they can lawfully use them. AND, you can
provide lawful proof that you have legally created the images using fully licensed
systems and software. AND, you can provide proof that the copyrights are indeed
actually your's and not a compilation of work or alteration of someone else's
work(s), THEN we will consider honoring your request which ultimately will harm the
users who have paid you to use them.

The WCOL Textures galleries are there for lawful users. We are not the first to have
galleries to facilitate our users. We will not be the last. We are not offering the
images to anyone!. We have spent considerable time and money to insure that ALL
property is protected. We have used our "BEST EFFORTS" to protect ALL artists works.

WE ask that you not be narrow minded in you thought process and that you NOT follow
the campaign of HATE and Discrimination so clearly set forth by the mob of a few!

You will find that you will NOT be able to show any evidence whatsoever that even
one single image has ever been wrongfully used. Unless deliberately done now, after
the fact, in an attempt to harm our company or our users.

Please people... AW is dying a fast death because of all the bickering and hateful
acts put forth by the user base populating and publishing their hate in these
newsgroups and amongst the software universe. Heartfall Productions has worked hard
for many years to make building easier for users. Many of whom have died of cancer,
but enjoyed our easy access to world ownership and building for their enjoyment in
their last days! We are here to help! We are here for 365 day immediate support! We
are here so that people can EnJoY* during a day an age when suffering is so great in
the world.

I ask that the people of this virtual place think... learn... and educate their
minds and open their hearts! I ask that they stop following mob rule... that they
think before they attack, or condemn out of ignorance and fear! You will not be
hurting me... you are simply hurting the users, grandmothers, handicap persons,
children, foreign country citizens, everyone of all walks of life... who came here
and paid their license fees to EnJoY. They do not deserve the abuses... They
deserve what they pay for!

If you have a gripe... complain to Bill Gates for making temp folders on the
software. For the immediate pop up "save as" icons over images. Complain to AW for
their ART cache. Complain to people like Andras who wrote in these news groups how
to convert RAS to JPG. If you LOOK and EDUCATE your minds and read.. you will see
historical record where I have fought against people posting how to steal. I was a
special guest speaker at the CY Awards a few years back.. my topic.. "Copyrights" on
the internet. How to protect your work and what you are NOT allowed to do. Yet most
of you steal an image, redo it and claim it is yours anyway.

I am not your enemy! I am a person who gives 100% of myself to others and have all
my life! I have worked hard to make AW a better place... fighting a loosing battle
too! Because of the few who lurk here in the newsgroups and around in worlds...
bashing and attacking and teaching people how to steal! I educate all our users on
how to be SAFE. How to PROTECT their property. How to have FUN and AVOID the Bad
People here that deliberately lurk to harm users. Every single world owner we
service can tell you that I have spent time with each, personally, giving them tips
on how to safely manage their worlds. I have spent considerable hours and days,
months with programmers like Roland seeking fixes to cure theft issues like the
open cache! I encouraged him to re-do the seqs methods so that they could be better
designed and protected. The designs abilities to seqs and re-writes are here now..
sadly I was informed that the cache protection was not authorized by the
leadership. So ASK AW to protect your work! It is their software that allows the
cache thefts!

NOW, That being said... IF designers wish us to block their "PROVEN" copyrighted
materials... and BLOCK their buyer's & respective builder's access to seeing the
image names... THEN, those designers MUST use unique prefixed filenames and submit
in writing, via U.S. Mail, a list along with a signed affidavit swearing to the fact
that they are the sole owner of legal copyright. Upon receipt of that signed
affidavit, we gladly remove any images they have claim to from the galleries and
place notice on the gallery site that all images from that designer are not
available at the designers demand, regardless of the impact that has to the
licensees' and their builders. That will allow ALL parties to be aware of the
reasons why their access has changed. That will also allow buyers to beware of whom
will cause their world building creative experiences to be restricted and/or
diminished. Personally I believe that is a mistake. I do not believe that buyers
would want to purchase from designers who try and RULE how they operate their
PRIVATELY owned, bought and paid for worlds. Heartfall hosts more than $30,000.00 of
privately owned licensed AW materials. We have proudly done so without a single loss
of that data for many years. Why designers are in a panic now based on a false
posting... and wish to harm their buying public is beyond me... Perhaps it is all
out of fear and rage created by a few mob leaders.. wishing to harm.. rather than
awaken to logic and reason.

ALL Affidavits must be mailed via U.S. Mail, signed and notarized. We require
mailing via the U.S. Postal service for the protection and laws provided for under
"mail fraud" guidelines. We hope that this will limited any such requests to only
legitimate claims and therefore reduce the risks to our users from being wrongfully
discriminated against. Discrimination is a very serious offense and act which
violates the individual freedoms or persons. We will use our best efforts to fight
discriminations of any kind which can harm any person. This is all meant to aide the
protection of actual copyright owners as well as the legal licensee's rights.

Any designer who wishes to have further discussion in this matter is welcome to
phone us directly. If they have limited financial resources and reside in the United
States they may contact us and provide a phone number to reach them at. I will
gladly phone them personally at my expense to help them better understand the
logistics, laws and reasons we provide such thorough care and protection as best we
can. Our contact information is clearly available, published on our web site at
http://www.heartfall.com

I would also like to WARN buyers to beware of purchasing from any web site that does
not clearly offer you adequate forms of contact such as: A:) mailing address B:)
phone numbers to contact the company you are about to do business with. Specially if
you are purchasing using a credit card. This is internet commerce safety -101. ALSO
beware of purchasing on the Internet, any produce that does not clearly state it's
license of use and fails to list it's sales and return policies. Protect yourself!
Be a wise and informed consumer. Demand professionalism in return for your monies!
ALL legit business will gladly provide you with this information in an easy to
locate page.

Let's try and make this virtual environment a better place for all! Let's band
together and rid ourselves of the HATE mongers, bigots, racists and cyber terrorists
that lurk around here! Let's show support to those working hard to protect user!
Let's NOT follow behind the mob of narrow minded hate!

I wish you all well... I sincerely hope that this has enlightened the readers and
done some good for the betterment of all.

Peace, health & healing....

Lars Wyka aka InSaNiTy
http://worldhosting.heartfall.com



[View Quote] > Greetings to all...
>
> Let me immediately put an end to the false gossip and libelous slandering
> campaign attempt to be started here by Paul!
>
> ALL files on our servers are legally licensed and abide by ALL US Copyright
> laws. Paul's ignorance to the law.. and his failure to read the site's notice
> are "HIS" shortcoming and NOT our wrong doing. His post is wrong, deliberate,
> and malicious in content and purpose(s).
>
> The site is SOLELY a gallery for our users to aide both them and their builders.
>
> If they have purchased license to use those models and their textures then they
> have a right for their users to view them! NO ONE has access to the files that
> has not legally purchased license to use them. The files in the gallery are
> pitifully reduced low resolution images made solely for online viewing by their
> builders. Paul is out giving false information.. perhaps he should threaten AW
> for their converting files to RAS format and providing those images cache
> folders! Users on our services do not access private models unless they are the
> purchasers of those items.
>
> Now, in reality! My company has worked for many years to protect artists
> rights and property. In our 12 years of being a Film and Entertainment company,
> we have NEVER had a single loss of file, data, or license. We have spent
> considerable time and effort to protect works. We have attempted to have AW
> protect artist's property by ceasing it's placing files openly in cache. That
> is far more than I can say about the person posting here today. We have even
> been bashed in here for seeking then end of notes being given on how users could
>
> convert ras to jpg and how to crack passwords. I have seen few others support
> those protective attempts!
>
> Paul is claiming that if any person buys from himself.. they are NOT allowed to
> show the files to their world's builder's!!! Be cautious of that!!! Be
> cautious that he might slander you and your guests if they visit your world
> because they have his so called images in their cache!
>
> License is sold for use of the models in the world purchased for. That is the
> ONLY place that the licensed models ever get used! That has been true for many
> years. Heartfall currently stores more than $30,000.00 of privately licensed
> models for our user base. We have NEVER had a single loss of their protection.
> Heartfall world hosting services prides itself in that data protection. We have
> never had a claim that a purchased file was used by another world unlawfully. We
>
> have exhausted all efforts to prevent that and thus far, successfully so :)
>
> World owners who have purchased license have the right to have their user's
> access galleries that allow them to see textures so they can apply create
> texture commands within worlds to match decor. This is a part of the AW browser
> function and has gone on since the inception of AW! We are NOT distributing
> files to anyone! We are not offering file use to anyone who does not have the
> legal license to use them!
>
> People love to gossip and act jealous toward companies which go the extra mile
> for their users. http://worldhosting.heartfall.com is a company founded by a
> man of integrity who has received many praises by high society and government.
> We have gone far and wide to help our users enjoy 3D! We host many cancer
> patients, many handicapped users, many gatekeepers and peace keepers. People who
>
> appreciate our services. The site referenced is a private client site. Anyone
> accessing it as a client who is not, is doing so against law as a trespasser. It
>
> is not an html public site. It records all client access and illegal access is
> just that, "ILLEGAL" Unlike an http server... this is a "client server" Paul's
>
> posting the address in this newsgroup is wrong and he publishes private address
> without legal authorization to do so... therefore a direct violation of property
>
> and copyright laws.
> Though we are not naive... we understand that many user thrive going places they
>
> do not belong. That is why we take every effort in protecting the data by
> making only worthless copies of the images available.
>
> There is nothing wrong with what we have done. If Paul is suggesting that if
> you buy his models and NOT use a texture he sends you for create animate me in
> world... or else he will attack you, then I would say run far away and run fast!
>
> For the record... worldhosting.heartfall.com is doing everything to protect
> artists and their work... If Paul or anyone expects a webmaster in charge of
> over 30,000 texture images to know what he produces.. then we suggest that he at
>
> least...
> 1. uniquely name his files.
> 2. legally file copyright with Washington,DC as required by law prior to any
> publications so that the Library of Congress has a lawful copy of record.
> 3. notify his buyers that they cannot use the texture in any create texture
> commands prior to purchasing.
> 4. contact Bill Gates in protest as microsoft allows for image sharing as it
> places all images in cache and allows fast pop up icons each and every time you
> view an image to "save as" within its browser.
>
> Artists generate their income from the sale of their work. ALL items are safely
> stored and legally used by our customers in their individual worlds. No illegal
>
> use is permitted or even allowed.
>
> If Paul and others suggest to you that you cannot have his items on a rented
> path.. then he naively cuts himself off from the entire real world.. as I doubt
> there are many people who actually OWN their own path servers like we do. Most
> all rent space for their paths somewhere on the net. That is just one of the
> problems of people bashing others in this newsgroup.. the fact that they are
> ignorant to the facts, ignorant to the law, ignorant to the realities of the
> internet.. and solely out to cause damage to a leading company. That clearly
> shows their ill intents...!
>
> Perhaps people should try speaking to one of their buyers and find out the FACTS
>
> on how well their items are protected before slandering others here and posting
> libel!
>
> Now, that said... any designer who protests their images being made available
> to their buyer's world builders... may submit a list of filenames to our
> webmaster. Please note that all world owners will receive copies of all mail to
> show them why their use is being cut off from them. Please send legal proof of
> copyright ownership. We simply cannot delete a user's property solely on the
> whim of a person claiming to own legal copyright. We are speaking of client
> data. You may very well owe refunds to your buyer's if their data must be
> destroyed at your request. You may also be liable for the value of their build
> designs destroyed by your absurd request as well. We gladly abide by the laws...
>
> and we simply ask that complainants do the same. But realize... it will hurt
> your sales... as buyers will not wish to patronize you when you restrict use to
> disallow their builders freedom to use the purchases the way AW designed the
> software, within their builds.
>
> I hope this puts an end to this ugly rumor and post. There is no need for
> commentary by anyone as to their "opinions" If anyone wishes to clarify the
> legality of this issue.. let's meet in a court of law. I am a U.S. Citizen and I
>
> am opposed to "TERRORISTS" be them the ones with bombs or the "Cyber
> Terrorists" who create havoc for good ordinary law abiding citizens on the net.
>
> I would be happy to bring this issue into a court room and shut down this
> illegal act of slandering people at will in this newsgroup. Let it be known,,
> Paul never gave any opportunity to my company to answer his claims. In fact, he
> never even submitted any proper claim or filename. He simply sent a telegram
> ranting... He went right to make his post to cause us further damage..
> continuing his campaign to damage and interfere with our business. History shows
>
> full written proof of this act... That is very much... "evidence worthy" in a
> court of law. The courts are here to "Protect" us.. so that people spreading
> false stories will be punished for their acts... to cease the actions and
> protect the honest. As well as AW.. Heartfall hosts over $2,000,000.00 of client
>
> art... ALL that art is protect for the artists. Please cease your defamation
> now... as you speak of what you know nothing about.
>
> I wish you all well.. and fear not.. as an Artist myself... I would never give
> forth a piece of art to another that was not lawfully obtained.
>
> InSaNiTy
> www.heartfall.com
> worldhosting.heartfall.com
> www.ObjectYard.com
>
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