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Oct 5, 2002, 6:57am

Lastly you all seem to forget for some reason, that I allowed public
building in A!!CT since its start in September 2001. I made my decision
public only because it was only right to inform any or all builders of my
world what was about to happen.
If AW went off line permantly with out a word would you not be upset?
I only attacked you Carolann because you posted against me saying I have the
right to advertise my world and use alot of bandwidth doing so...I only
posted my decision to drop heartfall because as I said 100 times here so
far, my world had builds owned by at least 400 builders, they had a public
right to know what was going on and why.
Your name got brought into this because you attacked me by saying what you
said in favor of King Bluemax's post to boast about Heartfall's good
charicter and to be little me.
Had you really been a humane person, you would have said it's a shame a
real-life friendship ended, so a service that personally ripped me off can
flourish.
If I asked you to go to King Bluemax's world and ask him to type the name of
a sky box I bought and paid for into his sky box. I bet it would load, why
should my sky box load in any ones world? ferther more InSaNiTy never sent
me the file for it. So again, you buy something from him that only works as
long as you keep his path services.
This in my opinion is being dishonest, I once heard bad rumors about the
service in the past, at one point I actually disagreed with the bad air
against Heartfall, then suddenly I become a victum and now I am a believer
based on my own personal experiences, not on the opinion of others.
But I stress here again I WAS A USER OF HEARTFALL.COM therefore I can post
about it's charicter and I realize the more this thread grows, and the more
I get attacked fro dropping his services, the more I AM GLAD I AM NOT A
HEARTFALL USER ANYMORE!
Carolann one last thing..I do not know you..you do not know me...you do not
know Lars, you do not know King Bluemax, although you are part of the AW
community, my posts were intended for the builders of my now renewed world.
That messae was meant for them..many of them are builders of other worlds,
they needed toknow what was about to happen..this is a news group....the
deletion of over 726,753 objects used by 500+ builders was news and the
public had a right to know, thats what this news group is all about..public
announcements when it concerns a vast number of people.
Although A!!CT is not AW world, it was ran like one, exception was I allowed
special commands, and speacial objects rights, allowing the use of create
move and rotate commands. Yes I know community, AWTeen allows the same, I am
aware of this!
So Carolann my point is our attacks on each other are pointless. But again
if you never used Heartfall then your opinion about their services is
invalid.
And King Bluemax's slander against me and my personal home life was also
uncalled for.
MrBruce

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Oct 5, 2002, 7:09am

Thank you MrBruce :-)
Final words on it here from me. Comment if you wish but you have done the
gentlemanly thing just now.

> As for you Carolann you just posted that you are NOT a user of Heartfall,
> never have been a user and admit you do not know Lars Wyka, so my post
> against you was who are you to voice an opinion in this mater especially
in
> favor of Heartfall?

Well not exactly what you said of course...but I think this is a reasonable
retraction...thank you finally MrBruce :-)


And I certainly agree with that :-) then you would see I barely mentioned
Heartfall as a business, especially that I never defended that business but
instead, supported their right and their supporters rights to defend
themselves. I didn't say anything until you claimed the right to say he and
one of those he hosted couldn't do just that. You may recall my first post
started out with and kept the theme of.....and I quote myself: "Isn't
fair play promoted here?"

>No, why bother so you can say I edited the truth to make my
> so-called lies look good?. I won't bother!

You said it..not me :-) Oh yes that's right, I did say something like that.

want
> to avoid being in my shoes, take my adivce do not make the same mistake I
> did.>> If I pay the $1,300.00 renewal fee to renew A!!CT in December and I
provide
> 90% of the world space to the public, should I not ask for some type of
> compsation in return?

I have never asked for any compensation and have distributed many cits and
have had many builders..but then, not on a scale I couldn't afford. It's a
hobby, not a right.

> But also remember as you push me out of AW, I support the program your
using
> right now, when I leave, thanks to your generous support of Heartfall's
> ripping me off, $1,300.00 for A!!CT plus all my worlds will expire, along
> with the 10 cits I support monthly at 6.95 a month each.
> Thats a total of $3,475.00 that AW can count on not receiving and when AW
> folds you can all go back to using ICQ!

Do I understand it might fold because of you? That would trouble my
conscience. But how long have you had your world? AW has only (or already)
started going downhill (cit number-wise) in the last 10 months maybe hasn't
it? I wouldn't worry too much though MrBruce, Aw still has over 1000 other
worlds to support them, it won't be just your fault.

Oct 5, 2002, 8:46am

I second that.......... no more please. I for one don't give a rat's at $$
about your home lives . I'm sure most people here don't either.
This whole thread stinks of immaturity from all angles and from people who
smash eash other ABOUT being mature.... sheesh *rolls eyes*

plus we're getting a BIT off topic now....
Bruce and many others think Insanity & Heartfall sucks, Shane doesn't ......
was no need to have this become a stupid "insult-o-post" free for
all........

THIS is why so many people won't join in and post to these
newsgroups.........

JB
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Oct 5, 2002, 9:14am

lol, dont know about the rest, but these "insult-o-post"s are the main
reason im here :) there funnnny.

and i get why MrBruce is so angry, its like when you get into a fight in
real life, you expect your friends to always have your back.

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Oct 5, 2002, 12:04pm

:) I think so too, but I believe a roast deserves a PIG and that PIG roasted
themselves' for sure!
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Oct 5, 2002, 12:06pm

Do NOT mention roast pig for goodness sake!
You want Poogy to go ballistic on you?:)

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Oct 5, 2002, 1:16pm

*smacks MrBruce* snip your posts! And reply to the person you're actually replying
too... I find it hard to follow a thread when you keep replying to yourself when
you're actually talking to carolann.

--Bowen--

Oct 5, 2002, 3:37pm

Where in that post did i personally attack you? Please point it out, I hope
this is giving you a headache, cause im still laughing. This is the post
from community,

" blah, blah, blah,
maybe insanity isn't a saint but he doesnt deserve to be insulted,
personally I've had the best of experience with him, And judging from some
of the replies you guys in Mr. Happys Peter Pan Land need to get
spellchecker and a decent understanding of how to construct an argument, the
only thing you guys know is what Bruce tells you, if there is an argument
to be had it is better constructed from a neutral perspective with factual
information and not blind admiration. If you aren't children you sure are
acting like it by blindly posting nonsense. another thing I can tell you is
that there is more than one person at heartfall for sure, as i have delt
with some of them. Just one of the many inconsistancies in your information.
If Bruce jumped off a bridge would you follow? I hope not, even kids are
smart enough to know better."

Im not seeing these aformentioned personal attacks, mabee your referring to
the peter pan comment. If that is it then stop acting like peter pan."
And im sorry to upset those who are disgruntled with my post. It to me wasnt
ever about being rude or flaming or spamming. but everything ive said is
either from being there at the time or something that was said to me by mr
bruce, no lies no half posts. just your own words. Also if you noticed the
issues you addressed werent even in my original post like pricing? i never
commented on that and several others you refuted. just the ones i had been
around for and had factual information on. You better print these posts out
and get a highlighter.

Oct 5, 2002, 3:52pm

just another note, in a previous post you had 200 builders, now 500+? which
is it.? I cant even follow this any more. All I ever set out to do was to
say i liked the services you hammered. You turned it into a personal
argument. Im done with "flaming" and mabee the response to your last post
was as bad as your post itself, and for all those who didnt want to hear it
im sorry. You are right i shuouldnt have done the same thing. for that i
apoligize. To the others not you bruce. Ive been on AW longer than you and i
now realize why ive never been into worldbuilding or getting credit for my
activities in AW. Its too much work to be a hobby. For me its a hobby not a
life, and to be honest id rather talk to people who arent so impassioned
with irelevance, I will end this and go back to what i like to do,
Building. I must admit that Ive gained one thing from this experience,
Mabee people you dont know online are better friends than you can get in
real life. Too bad youve come to these conclusions, but its not insanitys
fault. Im not mad at you at all. Youre the one who decided to sever our
friendship because you dont like it when others dont agree with you. Sorry
to all those who hate my mega posts, this will be the last big one.

Shane (KBM)

Oct 5, 2002, 4:09pm

One last note, for something to be slander it has to be a lie. I didnt
lie at all, everything ive said about you is factual and in no way is
priviledged because you personally told it to me. Still laughing. Get a
grip!

Oct 5, 2002, 4:13pm

Enough already.... sheesh.... do you HAVE to get the last word in ........

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Oct 5, 2002, 4:16pm

ya, LOL last word. last word. LOL

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Oct 5, 2002, 5:12pm

we all get the point , go join eachother and argue about it in private

Oct 5, 2002, 5:42pm

hypocrite.

Oct 5, 2002, 7:02pm

I thought you said yesterday you were done with this topic. The worst
comes out in everyone I guess... at one time or another. :)

SW Chris

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Oct 5, 2002, 7:43pm

"ncc 72897" <NCC-71854 at USS-Venture.Starfleet.UFP> wrote in news:3d9f40b3
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> hypocrite.

Says the Überhypocrite...

KAH

Oct 6, 2002, 2:32am

here it is s*ithead and by the way yes i typoed on the number it was meant
to be 300 check your spealling while your reading this. Here's your whole
flam against me and my personal life Shane, it makes intresting reading!
Hi all,
I've never been big on going to the trouble of posting in the
newsgroups but after reviewing the opinions of so many especially Bruce, I
felt the need to express a few of my own opinions on some of the
aforementioned topics. Bruce, I could have saved this for a telephone
conversation but I fell since you seem to be so public about so many of the
experiences you've had in AW that I would address you directly in this forum
as you seem to feel it should be used as a tool for hammering on the heads
of those who have tirelessly adapted to your ever changing view of what you
were trying to accomplish in this world of yours. I et me start by telling
the group that I've known Mr. Bruce for over a decade now personally, as we
live in the same town and in the past shared a common interest in CB Radio.
I remember when I first showed him the AW Plugin, and only a few months
later he purchased A1CT and his world was born. He surprised me with a
telegram and an invitation to this new world of his and I built an "embassy"
in there almost instantly. I must admit Bruce your world grew fast and had
amassed quite a following. Shortly thereafter I decided that I would like to
be a part of this world and contributed $60.00 to an upgrade. I liked A!!CT
because of the wonderful objects in the WCOL Path. I must have spent 300
hours building and strolling through the path looking around at all of the
great objects in the path. Over time Bruce and I had several discussions
about the future of this world and was willing at one point to pay the
reasonable hosting bill in its entirety. Later on I contributed again to the
world, around $200.00, to bring its size up too P100. Unlike the majority of
the users in there I was more than willing to help out financially as I know
you personally and we had discussed the limitations on your ability to
finance the entire thing alone and some of the kids weren't able to help
because of their own financial limitations. Now that I've got that out of
the way on to the real issues at hand. I once asked what are you trying to
accomplish here? Your answers never made any sense. Are you concerned with
the kids, wanting to give them a place to hang out that is a safe
environment? Do you want to become a respected world owner? What is it you
were trying to accomplish? No Good answer still. For anything to go the way
you want it too you need to have a plan. I offered up several, but lets
review what you do in here most of the time and also where some of the money
trouble that has arisen has come from. First, and I'm only repeating your
own words here, the majority of your time according to you was spent
rebuilding tourist builds, a noble task and a big job and it was almost
impossible to ever complete. You also told me one of you biggest concerns
was the position in the world list and how many people were in your world at
any time and how to get more.You also said that you liked to upgrade the
size of the world because it allowed for making smaller payments at a single
time and extended the expiation of the world, which does make sense but only
with the approach that you can pay the big bill next year when it comes in
all at once. On the subject of money, you once told me that you paid for at
least ten citizens, which in my opinion indicates that even when there are
14 people in your world at any time you are paying for most of them to be
there. If you cannot afford the commitments that you make then spend the
money more wisely and don't blame others for your funding mismanagement.
Some of the younger people in your world are very responsible and greatly
impartial, or better put, mature enough to maintain the responsibility and
generous consideration you have giving them. Others are not so nice, some
have been downright rotten. I also want to include in this post, prior to
your rebuttal, that I deleted all of my builds in your world and receded
into my own because after contributing financially and offering to assist in
several other ventures to better your world, you remove my ed rights, for
straightening a road with minimal of impact to older unfinished builds,
allowed children to accuse me of things like turning a build around (which I
see as impossible), and participate in their ranting like a child, and
finally make several decisions on running the world without asking my
opinion or even including me at all. It was right then that I decided to
upsize my world because as I had told you prior I wasn't about to contribute
if I wasn't going to be a part of the whole thing. Bruce, I like you, You
are a decent guy but I think that you need to look at the facts and see them
for what they are. You are running on a budget, your plan changes every
other day, and If your goal is to have 20 users in your world all the time
don't pay ten to be there or else you've only accomplished half of your
goal. To conclude my ridiculous post I want to say a few things in defense
of my Excellent World Host, Heartfall, I was included in some of the
arguments that Insanity has had with you , and you had told me about a few
of the others. In most cases he was right. You may disagree as some of the
kids will as well, as they are young and easily influenced by others
opinions. I'm not 100% sure what Insanity will think of my opinions and was
in no way influenced by him in them. And once again they all come from what
you have told me. One was that you constantly handed out passes to the path
without referring the users to the sign up page. Including one of my
builders who I told to go to the signup page and they told me not to worry
as you had given them the pass. If your builders don't want to identify
themselves with an email address? my question is why? Second, I recall
several uncalled for comments made by you to others about insanity that
probably caused him grief at some point or another. And being that kids are
easily influenced, sometimes do things that are inappropriate to try to
gain your admiration. Third, You often when upgrading your user limit or
world size didn't bother to tell Insanity until after the fact, which also
was told to me by you. If you increase the user limit you also increase the
bot limit and this is extra bandwidth. which is money. If you had been more
cooperative with him you may have had a better experience. I am probably one
of the people you mentioned in your post that learned about Heartfall from
A!!CT and I'm glad that I did. My world has never had any problems, and
Insanity has done everything I asked him too in a timely and respective
manner, when I upgraded my user limit I told him in advance and he was
prepared, happy and helpful. He told you time and time again what he
expected from you and you repeatedly distorted it and changed it. You babble
on about how you were told that all of the objects that were the same I the
path would load which I really think any intelligent individual who
understands an OP would know better and I've never been told by him that the
path will load if it changed and I have a tough time believing that he said
that to you in the exact context that you repeat it constantly, or that if
you did misunderstand him that he didn't clearly explain it again when
asked. I know you, and how you operate, on and off of AW so maybe I'm at an
advantage as to what is really going on, you speak before you think Its too
bad that you would hammer someone because of your own shortcomings, and
financial difficulty, but maybe all of us that tried to help you financially
would have been more willing to work with you if you were willing to
compromise a bit on some of your absurd positions. The only thing that
Insanity said too me about your changing paths was that he was very upset
for the kids who enjoyed the path and that they feel so discontented, He,
being an adult of reasonable intellect is not littered with selfish
undertones of playing god. And for you to insinuate that insanity is not
willing to give a little to others, look at some of the charitable things
he has done with his life at the Heartfall website, like his earthquake aid,
he has given a lot more to better others than you ever have, Heartfall is
not some big corporation that is bathing in money, he does this because he
has a genuine interest in making AW better and preserving it. These kids
treat you like a role model and you teach them to hold grudges and distort
truth. Maybe If they knew you in the real world they would see why you put
so much into AW, I'm sure you will bark at the moon now that once again the
truth is on the table, too bad, but someone needs to point it out, I also
will note that Insanity was courteous and wished everyone well even after
you got into attacking him which is a clear indicator of who is the
responsible adult. It truly is too bad for all of those who enjoyed the path
and the many objects in it. Also I'm sure if a trusted source approached
Insanity with a copyright free object he would be happy to add it to the
path. He is a great guy as well as an excellent world host, who is more than
willing to work with those who are willing to work with him. You on the
other hand are miserable from the tiring trouble you repeatedly put yourself
through to do all this and the part that gets me is you have no reason,
purpose, or cause. It seems more like an addiction than entertainment. Maybe
you need to sit back and slow down, get back to having a good time instead
of being so worried about such trivial things, Its all fun, its VIRTUAL
reality, not reality.So stop playing Peter Pan and Get A Grip LOL. To all
those who loved the objects in the path I invite you to build in AKingdom,
It has a 15 User Limit and is a P50, and it will be for a long time because
I've budgeted it that way and that's what I can afford, its not a free for
all for all of the troublemakers, and I'm not into working at managing it
till my head explodes, but if you like to build and are tired of worrying
about whether or not your stuff will be around in a year I've got some space
for you to use the wonderful objects that you like, come and see it. One
last note, if you do create you own OP please keep some statistics on how it
measures up to WCOL. Id be interested if it will have the reliability and
bandwidth I've come to expect, 99.9% ,which I see as conservative
considering I've had 100% reliability with Heartfall, My connection never
drops off in my world, ever, I've not even enjoyed that reliability with AW
Hosted worlds. Good Luck. With both your OP and the world license renewal
fees. Its too bad Bruce, you should have thought this all out more
objectively. In the end AW Teen will still be there so I suppose the kids
wont be totally lost. I'm sure some of the kids will respond aggressively to
this post but I hope all those who read it understand that the unedited
truth is a reality unlike AW. I wish you the best, and Id still back you up
in a jam but I cannot agree with you on your AW related opinions when they
are so single sided and jaded by your illusions. Take care all, and have a
great day.

King Bluemax (321028)

There it is stupid you post and you forget what you said LOL Are you sure
your note InSaNiTy #2?
MrBruce
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Oct 6, 2002, 2:35am

Don't make me stab you with my trusty, rusty spoon...

--Bowen--

Oct 6, 2002, 3:51am

The only interesting thing I see here is that he makes *no* mention of
your personal life whatsoever. The closest he ever gets is saying that
you might have some financial difficulty, but beyond that, nothing.

Let's face facts here, folks: Everyone involved with this thread is NOT
helping the situation any. MrBruce's credibility is getting shot more to
hell every time he posts. And as I'm sure Bluemax and Carolann are
figuring out, you can't convince those people who feel they've been
wronged by InSaNiTy otherwise. And, of course, Mr Heartfall himself
isn't helping by posting under ever-changing aliases and trying to
convince the world that there's more to his "company" than just him.

So, my suggestion to *everyone*, and that includes you Bruce, is to quit
while you're ahead, go outside, and take a nice deep breath. Hopefully,
by the time you all come back, you'll be a bit more sane and reasonable
and we'll all have forgotten about this pointless argument.

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Goober King
Quitting while he's ahead...
robrod at prism.net

Oct 6, 2002, 7:43am

Says the arrogant disrespectful loser..

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Oct 6, 2002, 7:56am

Just for the record :

CarolAnn's point was the way this "discussion" was held, not
pro or contra Heartfall.


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Oct 6, 2002, 1:59pm

[View Quote] We had a talk about this in AWTeen the other day. You wanted to use ignorant there,
and arrogant on the other post. Arrogant doesn't sound right in that sentence.

--Bowen--

Oct 6, 2002, 3:05pm

Huh, I still didnt see anything about your personal life. and Ive printed
out the whole thing and highlighted areas I feel may have been offensive to
you but none seen to pop up unless AW is all you have for a life? I dont
know. How about a nice game of chess instead? LOL You can hate me but I
still am not upset with you. LOL. Still lauging. Last word, last word.

Shane (KBM)

Oct 6, 2002, 4:18pm

I tell ya Goob, why do we put up with it? ;)

SW Chris

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Oct 6, 2002, 7:00pm

* rolls eyes * sheesh... grow up already.... or at least ACT like you
have....

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Oct 6, 2002, 9:18pm

Because we're not moderators ;P

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Goober King
Just who *is* the moderator, anyway? :P
robrod at prism.net

Oct 7, 2002, 3:33pm

This is my last post on this issue as I am sick of defending my self over
this.
No.1 I had a right to post to the public that I was dropping Heartfall as
hosting and path.
No.2 I had a right to say why I made this decision.
No.3 Heartfall is in a sense a company that provides services. That company
is owned and operated by InSaNiTy.
No.4 It is InSaNiTy himself who decided to charge me $175.00 over what his
website quotes as $400.00
No.5 It was InSaNiTy who spoke to me about a sky box and it was InSaNiTy who
sold me this sky box for $30.00
No.6 It was InSaNiTy who tried to sell me 4 Cobra attack helicopters for
$50.00 (Those 4 helicopters were already available on the public av list!)
I posted what I had to post and in return King BlueMax posts his good points
about Heartfall, but in the process under several posts talks about me and
my credibility, such as how I give out passwords blindly. He also spoke
about how I did Heartfall and the people who tried to help me 'wrong'. That
is the attack I am talking about.
King Bluemax could have said I like Heartfall because......Instead, he
attacked me and in a sense stated that because I am such a careless person I
deserve to be over charged, he also spammed his world by saying "COME TO
AKINGDOM AND YOU WILL SEE THE HEARTFALL YOU LOVE AND ENJOY..blah blah
blah..... He not only spammed his world as being better than mine, he also
advertised Heartfall produtions in the process!
The snip of King Bluemax's that I copied and pasted was just the beginning
of the attack, as I said in an earlier post, read the whole thread.
Because of his post I get attacked by others saying they are tired of me
spamming my world A!!CT, I did not spam, I merely posted an announcement to
all those who have built in my world, that I would be dropping Heartfall.
Those who understand paths like Heartfall's, also understand no two paths
have 100% of all the same objects. Therefore the likely hood of builds
owned by people other than myself will obviously be greatly affected. Which
was the case here, I tried several paths using the last prop-dump InSaNiTy
sent me. During a 2 day test we loaded the prop-dump, all we seen was over
100 black triangles (non-rendering objects) to every square meter!
It came to the point, that I had no choice but to remove the prop-dump and
start fresh.
The point that upsets me is a hosting service inflates it's prices and I get
attacked, does this make sense? I am the victum here.... not InSaNiTy.
He played the ole price and demand crap with me, he figured if he inflatted
my renewal price for my world, I would gladly pay it, so as not to lose the
respect of my builders! Ok, let's say I paid it, what would it be next
year...$700.00? So yes, I feel I was being taken advantage of!
Legally I could report him for running a scam. He posts prices on his
website and then charges what he wants, when he feels in the need of some
extra cash. Like I said in an earlier post, it's like when a store
advertises cucumbers 3 for a $1.00 but at the register they charge you
$10.00 saying if you want it bad enough you pay the price, that to me is
false advertising and is illegal! Some here may say...thats the American
way, but I am here to say I am not the idiot who needs it that much!
I do not know what will be said in response to this post and truthfully I am
tired of explaining my self...InSaNiTy you took advantage of me and tried to
do it again, you lost a customer in your attemps to make some extra cash. I
know you were desperate for money because you told me you had medical bills
to pay and needed to sell sky boxs, avatars and such to meet those bill
payments...but you also intended to charge me more to help pay those bills,
had you charged me what you post on your website, I would have gladly paid
it. Instead you lost a customer and a very unhappy one at that! It was not
just the lose of my hard work, it was also the lose of hundreds of citizens
hard work and King Bluemax you yourself know A!!CT had builds owned by at
least 200 citizens. You scanned the world many times and commented on that
to me, well tahnks to InSaNiTy's price scam, those builds are lost forever
and yes I lost many people's respect, because this decision has wipped out
what many have worked very hard on. As a business with HEART in it's name
(hence Heartfall) does InSaNiTy really show that he has a heart? Tell that
to the real losers here...the aw community builders!
Right now I host my own world, have my own path and I only have to answer
to myself. Therefore I will NOT respond to any more posts in this thread,
believe what you want..but I have a right to NOT get ripped off by a
scammer!
My final post on this issue MrBruce
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Oct 7, 2002, 4:46pm

I think i speak for most free-thinking individuals when I say... you don't
need to defend yourself.

Chris

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Oct 9, 2002, 3:35pm

That's much better. More points less attacks. That post I respect.Good to
see that. I never said my world was better than A!!CT, just said I liked the
path and was still using it in my world if others wanted to use it as well.
I think that no matter how you add it up A!!CT is bigger, has more
community, and so on, I never was trying to compete with you. I don't have
that kind of time or support in my world. I think A!!CT has definitely
achieved its place up there in the successful public building world
category. My point was if you run a big world there are problems and some
are easily avoided instead of exploited. I read a lot of your posts and said
nothing. A Lot. I just wanted to input into the community my opinion on
issues I was around for. Nothing more nothing less.
Shane (KBM)

Oct 9, 2002, 5:17pm

I swear, the toothpicks are ready for use in combat...

--Bowen--

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