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Nov 21, 2002, 7:59am

Don't know if you meant me, but since that was posted as a reply to one of my posts I suppose I should treate it as if it "may have been" and state what I thought was already obvious, which is... I hadn't missed that point at all.

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Nov 21, 2002, 2:52pm

Well... they make the ground rules. We make the additional rules in worlds we own. (Since I don't own a world, that doesn't include me.)

As for your statement about getting ejected once, twice, etc., I must say it is a whole lot nicer if a person who "really doesn't know" that such a word will offend you can be told once without getting ejected. If there are certain words that are to be assumed unspeakable, then they should be filtered at the browser and not even allowed to be transmitted, but I would hope nobody would actually believe that such things should be hardcoded into the browser as if a sequence of four letters is completely incapable of ever changing it's meaning in context or over time.

As I stated earlier, a lot of people have no idea what they are dealing with when they first emter Active Worlds, and while ejecting them at the first sign of them not fitting in may give them a clear signal that such behavior is not welcome, it may also be giving them a clear signal that "new people" are not welcome. The old saying "when in Rome do as the Romans do" may sound good, but it wouldn't work very well if anyone who went to Rome was thrown out for being different before they had a chance to see what it is that the Romans do... and by the way, it's ironic that Rome should be used as an example since long ago the Roman Empire was spread all over the world at one time by means of Romans going to far away lands and bringing their ways of doing things "with them" where ever they went. Hehe.

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Nov 21, 2002, 3:27pm

Yep. Unfortunately, some people aren't happy unless they're upsetting someone else. I suppose there are a lot of different reasons behind that, but you're right... ejections gets them out of the way for a while, so that people who don't feed on the discomfort of others can go on with their lives. Perhaps we should have a sort of correctional institute world named "ejected" (*checking worlds list to see if the name is already taken*) where people could send those who need to learn to get along. :)

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Nov 21, 2002, 8:32pm

But I would guess you had no problem understanding that the people who asked you to leave over it found the word offensive, correct?

TechnoZeus

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Nov 21, 2002, 9:47pm

Well, the bot that's doing it could, if such filtering were added to it... although I would really like to see such a bot support chat ranges, since the chat range feature really adds to the 3D "feel" of a world.

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Nov 22, 2002, 7:54pm

No, but I'm trying to help write it. :)

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Nov 27, 2002, 12:31am

The bottom line, in my opinion, is that a world owner has a right to choose who they will allow in their "porperty" at any given time and they don't have to justify "why" to the rest of us. If they choose to allow such decisions to be made by people that they have entrusted with the ability to enforce it, then that's their decision and they have the right to make it. That goes for public building worlds, private worlds, X rated worlds, theme park worlds, business worlds, and even worlds owned by Active Worlds.

While I think that it's best for all of us if world owners do their best to treat people nicely and show them respect, if they would preffer to close their world or to only allow cetain people into it or to eject anyone they feel like without warning and without thinking twice about it... that's their choice to make. After all, it's their property.

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Dec 18, 2002, 4:20am

Well, that's not exactly an unreasonable list in my opinion. There are words in it that I would have left out, mainly because I tend to do exactly as you said should be done... I think of valid meanings first. One of them even trucks me as a term that many people would probably use around small children when addressing certain subjects, in order to avoid using a term that they might expect the child not to have enough education to understand... similar to the way people use such words as "poo poo" to avoid using one of the other words on the list when teaching a very young child some of the essentials of self care.

Thanks for the list. I didn't personally feel I needed it, but I did find that actually seeing it gave me a lot better perspective on the situation. :)

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Dec 21, 2002, 11:56am

That's an interesting coincidence, because when I replied to your reply to kellee which was posted as a reply to me, my reply to you showed up in my newsreader as a reply to Kellee. Hehehe.

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Nov 21, 2002, 1:46am

It would be good to pre-download them anyway, so that the name of the downloading file doesn't give it away.

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Nov 21, 2002, 2:56pm

Depending on how you went about it, that could introduce problems of it's own. For example, if you numbered a bunch of songs, someone could download them externally (by number) and play them in advance, so that knowing the number would be enough to know what song it was... and if you changed which song was saved on which number from time to time, then people with the old versions in their cache would hear the wrong song.

TechnoZues

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Nov 22, 2002, 7:56pm

Yep... which means if you have enough people playing it, somebody's bound to cheat if they can.

TZ

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Nov 21, 2002, 3:02pm

Okay... maybe I'm a little slow today, but help me out here anyway if you would. How is it that the game "tag" which I have seen many versions of that always seem to include some form of chase, suddenly becomes a game of waiting for someone to whisper to you that you've won?

TechnoZeus

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Nov 21, 2002, 9:49pm

Hehe. You mean there's an official place for spam? :)

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Nov 21, 2002, 10:14pm

Oh, is that what color it was? And here I thought it was psychodelic. :)

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Nov 22, 2002, 8:05pm

Yes, it's much better to post about upcomming events, help needed, and things like that, than to post statements of anger, disagreement, frustration, and anything else negative that comes to mind. Sure, constructive statements of disagreement are nice to have occasionally, and too much of anything can be bad, but this advertising that has been going on is as least not asking for money, promising hard core pornography, or repeating the same statement over and over.

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Nov 22, 2002, 10:07pm

Actually, the legal definition of gambling varies from one area to another. I'm not sure what is considered gambling in an international forum. Anyway, if someone thinks laws are being broken they are free to notify the authorities, and no I don't mean someone at AW Inc. Personally, I can't see why anyone would want to hurt what very well may be a positive effort, and risk discouraging other people from trying to do something positive as well. If anyone sees a real risk of someone getting hurt, that's a diffrent story, but I doubt any of us will suffer greatly from someone asking for help or announcing that there's something going on they think we "might" be interested in.

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Nov 22, 2002, 10:18pm

I should clarify my statement, as I just realized that part of it could be easily taken in either of two totally different ways. I did not mean to say that by "anyone" I was not talking about people at AW Inc., because of course I was talking about them or anybody else. What I was trying to say is that when I said "the authorities" did not mean someone at AW Inc. but rather some legal official who's job it is to look into such matters. Also, I am in no way trying to imply that any laws "have been" broken in this case. I'm only stating that if someone "believes" a law has been broken, they are free to report the details of their concern for proper investigation.

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Nov 22, 2002, 10:27pm

I agree that it could be improved, and I won't ask you not to state that you are annoyed. I also understand your concerns, and will not try to say that you are wrong to voice them. I'm also going to avoid turning this into a personal attack by making statements about how you or I or any of us could also improve, but I will say this: You've voiced your concern publicly, and you've been heard. Polite suggestions made directly to the person you have such suggestions for would probably do more good at this point than repeating yourself to those who have already listened.

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Nov 23, 2002, 12:13am

I could just see it: on Monday, announcement that something will be happening on Tuesday; on Tuesday, announcement that something else will be happening on Tuesday; on Wednesday, announcement that people will be needed to help out with the events that happened on Tuesday; on Thursday, announcement that due to a lack of help, the events that happened on Tuesday have been canceled and another event that requires less work will take their place, and is planned to be announced on Saturday to be held this past Tuesday. :)

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Nov 23, 2002, 12:15am

oh wait... that's one post per day, not one per week. Well... this concept should prove interesting. Not necessarily productive, but definately interesting. :)

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Nov 23, 2002, 2:20am

Was that a fence post, or the kind that delivers parcels? :)

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Nov 23, 2002, 2:23am

Probably to avoid a dozen posts turning into a few hundred posts, or something to that effect... but I'm only guessing.

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Nov 23, 2002, 10:49am

....or at least participate in the newsgroup in some other way, so as not to apear so much as an outsider dropping by only to take advantage of the fact that there are people here. Just a thought.

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Nov 23, 2002, 4:10pm

Actually, something on that order may not be such a bad idea... but there are issues I can think of right now that I'm absolutely certain people would complain loudly and persistantly about if he did.

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Nov 23, 2002, 8:02pm

But if the AW Events Committee had it's own AW newsgroup, people could post events there for everyone to see as well as requests for help with events, and they would be much more likely to get positive results than in any of the existing newsgroups.

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Nov 23, 2002, 8:14pm

Well, sometimes when you try to change something the resulting chain of events can bring about the exact opposite of what you had intended. For example in this case you went about trying to reduce the amount of something that was bothering you by basically attacking the person who was doing it. Even people who agreed with your motives may have been put off by your choice of methods (theoretically, of course) and what ended up happening is a lot of people spoke up and said that what he was doing wasn't all that bad. Well, it's easy to see how that could be taken as an invitation to do lots more of it, or at least as an indication that they will be defended if anyone attacks them for doing it. Basically, by attacking somebody publicly for doing something that you personally felt was wrong, you may have removed the one barrier that was probably keeping it to a minimum.

I would bring up another case in point, but doing so would require explicit mention of a subject which I have agreed not to bring up in this newsgroup... so suffice it to say, this isn't the only recent case such a chain of events. It happens.

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Nov 24, 2002, 6:12am

And then there are those that show oposition to long drawn-out useless shows of oposition :)

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Nov 27, 2002, 12:19pm

They had let more people onto the beta because they were close to release... then certain people pressured them into adding one feature that they wanted without waiting for this beta to be completed and released, so basically the cycle started over but with a lot of people already on the beta team who were added only after most of the bugs "were" already gone... and since the cycle started over, new bugs got introduced, and those people got a taste of what "real beta testing" is all about. If we're all lucky, maybe the end result will be a few more good experienced beta testers available for the next beta than we would have had otherwise, which could really help speed things along and smooth out the rough spots when 3.5 or 4.0 are being developed. There's usually a bright side. The trick is to not only find it but figure out how to best make use of it. :)

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Nov 27, 2002, 10:53pm

Beta testing is intended to give some outside help to the developers. It's not only to solve "bugs" unless you use a REALLY broad definition of "bug" that includes such things as lacking features, functionality that works but isn't user friendly enough, and stuff like that too. :)

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