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Jan 9, 2002, 10:28am

Congratulations to both of you for having so much success in life. I'm sure in a few years I'll earn enough money for that too. For
now I'm a student and I clearly DON'T have 10 more $ per month to spend.
I agree that complaining is useless, but saying that a 600% price increase is "not that much more" is absolutely incorrect.

Fox Mc Cloud

"holistic1" <tkafader at pattan.k12.pa.us> a écrit dans le message news: 3C3C31C2.5DF81D7 at pattan.k12.pa.us...
> My god... someone who is rational....I tire of watching everyone howl before
> they are bit...
>
> Holistic1
>
>
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Jan 10, 2002, 1:24am

"bowen" <bowen at omegauniverse.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3cfb80$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Wow, someone must've guessed your password. That's not an easy task :)

Unless his password was either "password", "aw" or "data21". then he's the one to blame. lol

> E-mail tech support at AW.
>
> --Bowen--

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 10, 2002, 1:27am

"data21" <dbmiller at kiski.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3cf909 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The only bots I have even used in AW are xelagot and Preston.
> Xelagot to backup my land, preston to run a few bot controled obejcts.
> Anyway can I get it back ?

I guess a xelagot script could be configured to steal cits... can it not?
anyway if you tell them the last time you connected maybe they can check that that was the last time that citizen was connected on
your IP... if they have that kind of log files...

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 10, 2002, 1:29am

Oh, another possibility would be getting your email password and then using the "forgot my password" option... Was it any easier to
guess ?

Fox Mc Cloud

"foxmccloud" <FoxMcCloud at cyberbrain.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3d0a22$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> "data21" <dbmiller at kiski.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3cf909 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> I guess a xelagot script could be configured to steal cits... can it not?
> anyway if you tell them the last time you connected maybe they can check that that was the last time that citizen was connected on
> your IP... if they have that kind of log files...
>
> Fox Mc Cloud
>
>

Jan 10, 2002, 1:30am

Hehe my password is even better, no one would guess that it's....
oops. I hate it when I have a good idea for a password and can't even brag about it. lol

Fox Mc Cloud

"data21" <dbmiller at kiski.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3cfca5 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Well I know I did nothing wrong to get it taken from me, and if someone
> "guessed" my password (highly unlikely)
> They had to be a really good hacker, my password was a random list of
> numbers and letters.

Jan 10, 2002, 2:10am

Yes. insert a few posts full with insults in this thread and the moderator will delete it. You won't be there to see it though...

Fox Mc Cloud

"sw chris" <chris at skywalkeronline.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3d13b3 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> hmm... I can't cancel this message using Message>Cancel Message. Is there
> another way?
>
> SW Chris

Jan 10, 2002, 8:20am

"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> a écrit dans le message news: 3C3D39DC.70CE08A3 at oct31.de...
> hm, you might be quite right - there was an AW browser
> on his web site that I didn't start because it looked
> strange to me.
>
> Another risk : you use the same password in all universes
> and the universe owner can see the password I think.

Yes... anyone with privileges of citizen 1 can see the password and priviledge password (well they can see and modify anything
actually)

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 10, 2002, 8:54pm

No, actually AW should not give it back to you that way, since you didn't pay for the renewed citizenship... you were given a 1-year
citizenship, but the 2nd one was given to you by error obviously. So you can't complain that you don't want to pay anything to them
even though they paid for you, even if that was by error.

Fox Mc Cloud

"data21" <dbmiller at kiski.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3e029c at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I dont see why I should do any of that, AW should just take it from that
> world by force and give it back to me.
> I am not at fault here why should I be treated that way?

Jan 11, 2002, 1:01am

My point is you can't really complain if you didn't pay anything... Do you want your money back? :)

Fox Mc Cloud

"data21" <dbmiller at kiski.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3e3f32 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I couldn't pay, noone would give me any answers to who was renewing it, it
> was just stuck like that till now.
> They should give it back.

Jan 11, 2002, 1:14am

That's probably because the database of the newsgroup is updated less often than that of the universe... so he might not be able to
post in a few days if the problem isn't fixed until then

Fox Mc Cloud

"katerine" <removethisailleurs at ailleurs3d.com> a écrit dans le message news: Xns919329A597C6Anospambrrcom at 166.90.181.12...
>
> Sorry in advance if I don't understand correctly but how would data21 be
> able to post here without a citizen and its password?
> Still IF I understand correctly (it's very late here and I am still french
> lol!) it might be found somewhere in your news reader options :)
>
>

Jan 11, 2002, 2:06am

The login information is not only in his computer, but it is stored on the newsgroup server, which checks that your username and
password are right...
So, AW has a list of all citizens and passwords, the NG has that same list too, but it isn't updated as often... the NG still has
the list of a few days ago, and data21's citizenship worked at that time :)

Fox Mc Cloud

"katerine" <removethisailleurs at ailleurs3d.com> a écrit dans le message news: Xns91932C5A237D0nospambrrcom at 166.90.181.12...
>
> What does the AW database update has to do with the newsreader's
> configuration Data21 has on his own computer?
> ;)

Jan 10, 2002, 10:00pm

You shouldn't get angry that easily, my guess is his point was that it's not that easy to publish a book for a 15 year-old... :)

Fox Mc Cloud

"imagine" <imagines1 at mindspring.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3e2698 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I don't see what my age has to do with my question, but if you must know I
> am 42.
> How old are you blasto?
> I asked for email replys. I didn't post this BOOKS? post to start
> arguements.
> If you are asking my age as a set up to a rude comment; BACK OFF.
> Imagine

Jan 11, 2002, 1:01am

It would have been even harder :) I'm sure he didn't mean to offend you :)

Fox Mc Cloud

"imagine" <imagines1 at mindspring.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3e2ce1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ok, well i'm not 15 and it isn't that easy for me either :(
> Imagine

Jan 10, 2002, 8:44pm

confirmation of the test confirmed.

"data21" <dbmiller at kiski.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3e1392 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> test confirmed :-)
>
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Jan 12, 2002, 4:43am

"dabartender" <admin at hooverae.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3fd856 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> /me heads over to Adobe's website...
That won't do any good to you :P

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 13, 2002, 8:31pm

"blasto" <GovDion at subdimension.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c40bffa$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The more money, the better.
Any company that thinks that way doesn't deserve its spot on the internet, which was created with ideals such as information sharing
and such... Earning enough money to live with it is fine, wanting always more is greed.
I won't support any company that acts that way (not saying AW does, but it does seem like it to me)

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 13, 2002, 10:39pm

Mandrake, not Debian :P
Well, the 2 main reasons I use windows for are AW and Borland C++ Builder 5 (which will soon be ported to Linux, if I'm not
mistaken)... But even if I have everything I need on Linux, I'll keep Win2k handy (as a 2nd OS) because it still has a lot of soft
that's unavailable under Linux... games mainly...
But... the time will come... one day... *dreams of typing "delete C:\windows\"*;)

Fox Mc Cloud

"bowen" <bowen at omegauniverse.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c4216c3$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> You mean which one does he use to run activeworlds? ;) I know for a fact
> that Fox runs both Win2k and Linux (debian I think). He uses Windows
> because some of the stuff he needs to do on a daily basis only work on
> windows. :) But he never did buy any of the software which means he didn't
> support the company.
>
> --Bowen--
>
>

Jan 13, 2002, 10:46pm

Did I ever say I supported any company? ;)
Ok, let me precise my thoughts. Of course, you can't blame a company for trying to be successful. That doesn't mean you can do
ANYTHING to reach that goal, or that it should be your only goal in life. What about companies that fire staff to gain always more?
That's what the capitalist system eventually leads to... And money isn't the only factor to success. Look at Microsoft... lol...
Sure, Bill Gates has a lot of money, but who would want to be in his place, if that means to be hated by half the planet? I sure
wouldn't... (and no one needs that much money anyway)

Fox Mc Cloud

"blasto" <GovDion at subdimension.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c42204b$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> All companies want to be successful. Success in the business world is
> measured by the amount of money that they have. So I guess you won't be
> supporting any companies soon :-P

Jan 14, 2002, 2:39am

"grimble" <grimble2000 at btinternet.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c4256fd at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I don't understand this. What do you expect already successful people to aim
> for? If everyone is to be a grunt, we'll all end up living in one of the
> remaining communist states.
You have anything against that? lol

<snip> I'll jump right to where I see the problem.

> Also, I think it has to be understood that companies aren't there to provide
> people with a job ...
OK. Then, the society tells people they must have a job to live. The companies aren't there to provide people with jobs. Who's going
to do it? The government? mmh, that's communist. No one? welcome to capitalism.

> BTW ... glad to see we're back on the Microsoft subject ... I thought that
> was done to death already *yawn*.
That was just an example :P

> Grims.

Jan 14, 2002, 2:56am

Thanks for sharing the information !
(By the way, I must have been tired that day because I actually meant "deltree C:\Windows"... but I'm sure all of you are experts at
typing that line already ;) )

Fox Mc Cloud

"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> a écrit dans le message news: 3C426143.6F9C0368 at oct31.de...
> Handy little program, I analyzed it, it seems to
>
> - increase free HD space by 500MB and more
> - defragment a big parts on one HD partition
> - eliminate all virii and their complete developement platform
>
> The current version has one disadvantage : it decreases the color
> depth of the display to 2 bits/pixel (blue/white), you should work
> on that.
>
>
> Can't you make it available for download? Maybe include versions
> for WinNT and XP?
>
>
> Feel free to include the modifications I made, works fine on NT4 :
>
> del %windir% /s
>
> An optional version (requires an installed PiCnix package or
> compatible) could look like this :
>
> rm -rf %windir%
>
>
>
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Jan 15, 2002, 1:14am

I feel exactly the same about that...

Fox Mc Cloud

"lioness o" <nobody at nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c4383a8 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Jeeeeeeez...makes me feel kinda queazy inside thinking about paying extra in
> AW for more advertising hype,"billboards" and commercials. Just what I need,
> ......more advertising thrown at me for items and services I have no need
> for. ;-"/

Jan 15, 2002, 6:00am

I didn't say they did... well maybe lioness implied that in his post, but I was more specifically responding to " Just what I need,
.......more advertising thrown at me for items and services I have no need for. ;-"/ " , sorry for not making it clear in the first
place

Fox Mc Cloud

"sw chris" <chris at skywalkeronline.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c43bb86 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> *grimaces* You know grimble, it seems that most people aren't getting it
> that they didn't raise prices to aquire this company. Sheesh...
>
> SW Chris

Jan 12, 2002, 1:49am

AW could be sparing a lot of bandwidth by only sending the changes when they occur instead of the whole list each time, since it's
99% the same every 30 seconds (that is, all the names identical and most worlds at 0 citizens)...

Fox Mc Cloud

"joeman" <Joeman at bootdown.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3fb115$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Think of it this way, the current list is 24kb long, well, a little less.
> It was 24kb long when all the 3dhomepages were there, so, this math is
> predicting how much AW pushed out during the height of 3DHP. So, simple
> math, 24 x 486 (current users on at the moment, there were many more on at
> the height of 3DHP) = 11664. So, 11 MB every 30 seconds for the world list.
> So, about 2880 of these happen per day. Just estimating, simple math again,
> 2880 x 11664 = 33592320kb, that's about 3,359 MB, which is 3GB a day, just
> for the world list. If that isn't enough bandwidth, add contact list,
> telegram, and world information inquires. All those add up. 3.3GB alone is
> a huge amount. So, it does take bandwidth to create a list.
>
> Now, this number could be off by like, 500 MB, because you don't always have
> 486 users on at a time, sometimes you have less, sometimes more. It would
> be interesting to see someone create a bot that would gauge the bandwidth
> coming out of the AW uniserver. Oh, don't forget about 24/7 bots that are
> running around AW.
>
> Also, add to the bandwidth world heartbeats, client heartbeats, bot
> heartbeats, world license information, citizen logon and registration, etc.
> It could get up to a very BIG number.
>
> I could be waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy off with this, but, I don't think I am.
>
> -Joe
>
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Jan 16, 2002, 12:10am

"grimble" <grimble2000 at btinternet.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c44c81e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The database will be held on a secure platform, just like everyone else who
> runs credit-card based subscription services. Why would anyone think any
> different?

Currently the credit card numbers are held on a simple unencrypted text file on the universe server.... lol

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 16, 2002, 2:09am

I know the owner of a universe (not an individual but a company... well I mean I know the owner of the company), so I spent a bit of
time having fun with their uniserver :)

Fox Mc Cloud

"grimble" <grimble2000 at btinternet.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c44e47e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Well if that's true (how did you find out btw?), then fair enough ... screw
> that.
>
> Grims

Jan 16, 2002, 10:02pm

Well the file is created by the uniserver, which is supposedly the same :)

Fox Mc Cloud

"sw chris" <chris at skywalkeronline.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c460713 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Um... that's their universe, not AW's. ??
>
> SW Chris

Jan 17, 2002, 12:07pm

"facter" <invurt at hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c468e05$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> In regards to price
> increases, and all that stuff? ?I wont say that I agree with it, in fact, I
> am quite opposed to such drastic moves - BUT, if they did it for a reason,
> they did it for a reason - have a little faith that they actually know more
> about AW, than you do.
>
> Facter.

It is true that I do not know if AW will be more successful after that move, if it will survive, etc., but, mind you, it might seem
a bit selfish but quite a lot of people are actually whining because wether it succeeds or not, they just won't be able to see it
because they can't afford it.

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 17, 2002, 5:12pm

I won't be renewing. Of course I COULD pay, if I really had a need for that, but it's not like it's something I need to survive. I'm
a student (studying in a foreign country so I don't have the right to work here, moreover), so I'm watching my expenses. 1.6$ a
month is nothing, 9.50$ is something else.
My parents wouldn't have accepted to pay me that in the first place back then in 1998 anyway.

Of course that all is just me, but I think many students or teens will have to leave (or decide, if you prefer).

Fox Mc Cloud


"sw chris" <chris at skywalkeronline.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c470439 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ... I can't think of anyone who's posting here who won't be coming back
> after their cit expires. All they're complaining about is the quote unquote
> 600 percent price increase, which happens to be about $9.50 a month. Tell
> me, which number sounds worse? You hear 600 a lot more than 9.50. :)
>
> Back to my original point.. on renewing at those prices, only a few can't
> afford it vs. the implied vast majority who can't. The rest are complaining
> because they don't want to pay. They can, but they don't want to. As Moria
> said, there is a precedent for this move, and history tends to repeat
> itself. :)
>
> SW Chris

Jan 18, 2002, 2:37pm

I'm glad to hear that. I think It would be nice to post a message when a user is banned so that we know...

Fox Mc Cloud

"flagg" <tom at activeworlds.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c484341$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just wanted to note that we have only banned one NG account in the past
> month. That account was banned for a vulgar attack on another user. The
> "jcolbert" account was not banned and should be able to post just fine.
>
> The rumor that we have banned any NG account, recently, for any reason other
> than personal attacks in not true.
>
>
> -Flagg

Jan 25, 2002, 2:43pm

go ananas go ! I totally agree with you ;))
Same in france btw... But the french don't like that at all so we always go on strike... lol

Fox Mc Cloud

"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> a écrit dans le message news: 3C518749.243EE9A at oct31.de...
> The problem is, that the best in marketing often displace
> the best in service and/or quality. This "best in marketing"
> often is a result of a very aggressive and monopolistic
> strategy.
> MicroSoft for example tried to force PC manufacturers, not
> to preinstall any optional operating system, with the
> penalty not to be allowed to bundle their other systems
> with MS windows.
> Some companies buy good patents exclusively, just to let
> them rott in the drawer, or just buy the whole company
> that has the patent.
>
> Btw., that's not only an American phenomenon, same here
> (germany), where for example Siemens (the biggest) brought
> down Nixdorf (the best), then included them into their
> imperium - but only to destroy them completely.
>
>
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