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Feb 1, 2002, 2:46am

>IIS is not a bigger problem than any other web server.
*cough cough* Do some research pal... What are we up to now...Arround 300
patches for IIS??!? And you're trying to say Apache isn't any better....
umm. ok.... My main point i'm going to argue is this...

Code Red and Nimda:
affected linux machines running Apache: 0
affected windows machines running Apache: minimal -
apahce rejects the malformed URL as 404 errors
affected windows machines running IIS: countless - many
patches needed to plug holes made visible by these

Steve Gibson of GRC.com is right... raw sockets in XP are a hand delivered
invatation for DDoS attacks. People say he's wrong b/c no one good enough
has written a virus for it. Expect to see the number grow exponentialy over
the next few months...

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Mar 6, 2002, 9:44pm

I'm no mac user.. However, since you say you can remove extensions (like
DLL's) to tune your apps on a mac. I'd recommend not playing around with
your system DLL files (on a windows machine) too much ;-)

A little programming info..

DLL stands for Dynamic Linked Library. When you write code for windows it
is inherently complex. To simplify things programmers came up with the idea
of "libraries". A library is simply a collection of reusable code. For
example, in C++ (the defacto / arguable best high level language) you can
include things like "sting.h", "math.h" and "stdlib.h". All of which are
prewritten chunks of code designed to help accomplish a specific task. The
string.h file makes available several functions for the handling of strings
(a string, in programming, is any set of characters set off by quotation
marks) The math.h file holds many functions for doing advanced math (roots,
square roots, powers, squares, trig, log, calculus, etc..). And finally
stdlib.h holds many standard functions that just come in handy for different
things.

The magic comes when you actually make your program from your code
(compiling). The compiler you use (CodeWarrior, MS Visual C++, etc) has to
change your C++ code into assembler and then into hex code so the computer
can execute it. In the process of doing this it has to "link" the libraries
to the code.

There are two ways of "linking": static and dynamic. When a library is
statically linked the compiler includes the library in with the program. The
library essentially becomes part of the program. The result is usually one
".exe" file. When a program is dynamically linked the library is compiled
separately and placed into a DLL file. The result being one ".exe" file and
(usually) several ".dll" files.

When the operating system executes (runs) your program it has to load the
libraries in one way or another. If they are statically linked then they are
loaded when the program code is loaded, and stay loaded until the program is
exited (and possibly beyond). A dynamically linked library is not
necessarily loaded when the program is loaded. Windows dynamically loads
the library whenever it determines the program needs to use it, and can
unload it after the program is finished using it. This way frees up memory,
and is supposed to offer some performance boosts.

Thus, removing DLL files under windows, like removing extensions on a mac,
is not really possible. Your program will not run without all it's DLL
files. (As I imagine you've found out once or twice before with those nasty
little "Missing file blah.dll" messages)

Hope I've explained it pretty well.

As was previously said... Best thing to do is get a GForce 4 and a gig of
ram.. hope for the best. ;-)

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Mar 11, 2002, 1:37am

I can't help but scream "Linux". If you people would quit useing Microsoft
products your life would be so much easier (I promise!) Use Linux along with
Apache and Squid. You can limit bandwith use with Squid, and Apache will do
all your web serving needs.. I recomend ncFTPd (www.ncftpd.com) for an FTP
server.

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Mar 31, 2002, 11:50am

What the hell are you talking about? The passwords are encrypted every step
of the way. The only way to get them is with brute for cracking (a program
to guess the password). Which, takes forever unless you have a
supercomputer. Needless to say, someone didn't get 53 of them by that
method. It takes an ungodly amount of time just to get one.

That only leaves a few other options. First, what you're saying is totally
false. Second, the password was intercepted between the world server and
client, or vice versa. The password must be sent from the world server to
the client, so the client can unzip the rwx files. This, however, is also
encrypted.... The only other way is if someone was actully good enough to
compromise a few servers and get an atdump. But I presume even *that* stores
the password encrypted...

Next time, make sure something is at least *reasonable* before you
post.......

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Apr 3, 2002, 12:12am

A while back I wrote a post about this....

..htaccess files use a part of the HTTP protocol to issue a username/password
challenge. Your browser (e.x. Internet Explores, Netscape) knows how to
accept this challenge (and display the appropriate dialogue asking for the
info), and how to reply with the correct information. The server looks at
the browser's reply, and decides (by comparing the info you gave to the
encrypted version that is stored on the server) to grant or deny access to
the requested file.

The AW browser does not know how to do either of these, and therefore would
fail to access a directory which is protected with a .htaccess file...

I'm not sure what andras is working on (see previous post by "silenced"),
however I'm very curious. Roland may also have something up his sleeve to
solve this problem.

What we need is some way for a server to identify the AW browser, so it can
distinguish between IE and AW. You could set your server (with URL rewrite
rules, or with cgi/php scripts) to deny access through IE. The obvious way
to do this would be to use the HTTP_USER_AGENT environment variable. (This
tells the server the name and version of your browser. e.x. Mozilla/4.0
(compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; Q312461))

The only problem with this: It would be extremely easy to forge this
information.. Once you knew what the HTTP_USER_AGENT variable held when an
AW browser requests and object, you can make any other program (including a
custom compiled version of IE) identify its self with the proper string.

This could be the simplest solution, fastest solution...

However, read the next thread i'm starting for a better solution...

-J

JerMe (#296967)

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Apr 3, 2002, 12:48am

(1. I've never tried to access a .htaccess protected directory from a
non-.htacess enabled browser... However, I doubt they'd breeze by. I think
the server would automaitly give them a 401 - access denied

(2. As we've seen by the list of cracked path's zip password protection is
not enough. It is way to easy to crack a zip file. Takes only several hours
in some cases.
http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=%2b%22winzip%22+%2b%22password%22&hc=0&h
s=0

(3. Textures cannot be zipped... The browser only knows how to unzip avatars
and models.

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Apr 6, 2002, 6:35pm

Here's how this works.. It's called a "clear text exploit". If I have a
plain zip file.. let's say pp01.zip (that's not password protected) and a
encrypted pp01.zip (the file was added with a password) then I can decrypt
the pp01.zip in about 30 seconds, no matter the password length.

When you password protect your zip files, the password becomes a key (just a
long string of numbers and letters) used to encrypt the file after it is
zipped. The same "key" must be used to decypt the file. When you decrypt
the archive, you enter your password, which the program changes into the
"key" (one password always generates the same key), and then uses that key
to interpret the file.

The "clear text exploit" no only yeids the file that was encrypted (which
you already knew anyway), it also unviels the "key" that was used to encrypt
it. Once the key is discovered any file can be decrypted....

So, let's say I downloaded a fresh version of pp01.zip from AW's object
path. Then (after discoving the URL for you OP) I download the password
protected version of pp01.zip from your site. I run the clear text attack
useing these two files. I learn what the key is, and can use that key to
find your password and decrypt the rest of your objects.

Lesson to be learned: Don't encrypt objects that don't need it. Only
encrypt your coustom objects, the one's that no one else will have an
unencypted version of. (Exactly what andras said earlier..)

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Apr 8, 2002, 12:04am

Insanity, I'm sorry... All due respect, but your point is irrelevant.
Anyone can find out the information I just gave out. It doesn't take any
special knowledge to crack a winzip password, other than how to do a search
on yahoo.

Try this search:
http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=%2b%22winzip%22+%2b%22password%22&hc=0&h
s=0

The search string was +"winzip" +"password"...

Read the first 10 or so items that come up, and you'll know more about
cracking a winzip password than you ever wanted to know. This info isn't
any kind of closely guarded secret or anything...

I didn't tell them anything they couldn't have read on their own...

Chill out, it will all be -O-K- :-) At the moment, there's nothing we
webmaster/world owners can do about it anyways. Why worry about it?

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Apr 8, 2002, 12:12am

As was said.. discussing the how-to "levels the playing field". If someone
wants to crack a password, they can do it, it's only a matter of time.
NOTHING anyone can do about it..

But, knowing first how things are encrypted, and then how they are cracked
is the first step to devolving a way of stopping it.

If you don't know how a malicious user got the root password on your server,
how can you go about fixing it?

Have you ever read the "Hacking Exposed" series of books? Sure, they tell
hundreds of way to hack everything from windows, Unix/Linux, to novell, and
more. What to know why they are such popular books? It is because they
list each attack, explain how to go about the attack, and then explain what
needs to be done to prevent it. It gives the user an understanding of what
an attacker is trying to do, which gives you the basis of what you need to
do to fix things. That was exactly what I was trying to do...

Ohh, and by the way... Doing something just because it was put in front of
you *is* irresponsible. Educating people, however, is not.

Best Regards,
Jeremy

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Apr 3, 2002, 1:23am

The recent events have prompted a lot of people to reconsider the .zip file
passwords, including me. As was proven, ZIP passwords are not sufficient to
protect object paths. It takes only a matter of hours, sometimes minutes to
crack a ZIP password. How people get the zip files to crack is the first
problem, finding a different method of encryption (that cannot be so easily
cracked) is a much larger problem.

First, all attempts to hide the object path's URL were totally obliterated
when the "object warnings" feature was added. Sure, it can be very helpful
when you're working with new objects, trying to perfect your model, but it
was a major oversight on the part of AWC. The solution to the first problem
would be to allow the user to turn on and off object warnings (just like
they can now), but not actually print them unless the user has caretaker
privileges in the current world. Also... why not just name the cache files
by the world name they come from? Store all the paths, or data that needs to
be cached in a encrypted file somewhere.

To solve the second problem: Why not use strong encryption? Such as PGP
keys... This system has been proven very secure. I'm not sure anyone knows
how to crack these (I've heard only the government code breaks, with the
supercomputers at their fingers can break these) If not this, *something* is
needed.. if not a proprietary tool for encryption (which I would not
recommend for obvious reasons) I'm not sure if strong encryption is truly
practical, as it takes a lot of processor usage, and would be slow to
decrypt hundreds of objects..

Here's how it works... You use a program like PGP (Pretty Good Privacy)
(check out the yahoo search here for an explanation -->
http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=%2b%22pgp%22+%2b%22explanation%22&hc=0&h
s=0 ) to create your public and private keys. You then use the private key
to encrypt your object files. (You'll want to make a backup of your private
key, but keep it safe - you don't want anyone else to have it). You upload
the PGP encrypted versions of your objects to your object path just like
normal (maybe a different file extension).

Then when someone enters your world, the browser should receive notice that
the OP is PGP encrypted, and the world server will transfer the *public* key
to the browser. (Note: the public key should not be available via HTTP.. it
could then be downloaded, and would defeat the purpose of all this
encryption) The browser should store this key internally, and loose the
information when the user exits the world. The idea is to keep the user
from every being able to discover the public key, and only allowing the AW
browser to have the public key, in a situation where the use could not grab
it from a file later on. The key should not be stored permanently, or even
semi- permanently, on the user's hard drive. The browser then uses this
public key it has received to decrypt the objects and display them normally.

I'm not sure this setup would actually work when put into use, it's just an
idea. It would definitely impact initial world load times, but it shouldn't
cause significant lag as the objects only need to be decoded once (as they
come into view). Exploring areas with objects that your browser hasn't seen
in that session would be the laggiest. This would have to be considered, as
there are hundreds of objects that would need to be decoded in some worlds,
just by standing at GZ.

No matter the disadvantages, this would be the *ultimate* in security for
object path's. I've forward this e-mail to Roland, E N Z O, and AW support
as I believe it is of the utmost importance.

Let me know what you think...

Regards,
Jeremy

a.k.a. JerMe (#296967)

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Apr 3, 2002, 1:29am

Well, it looks like I got a few things mixed up with the keys.. but you get
the idea...

Here's a short explanation I found from TechTV:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/TechTV/techtv_encryption011203.html

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Apr 3, 2002, 9:52am

Give each folder a number then, and have the browser keep a table of which
folder # is which op... (encrypted)

just *something* other that putting the path info right out there. That
totally defeats the purpose of the whole "hiding the path in the features
dialogue" thing....

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Apr 3, 2002, 6:41pm

>AW's encryption algorithm should be
> improved to something much stronger.

*cough* PGP *cough*

> In your example, you mention that the browser would store the key
> internally. However, what is to prevent someone from viewing it in
memory?

It would obviously have to use some kind of encryption scheme. It doesn't
really matter how, just a long as it keeps people from looking through AW's
memory registers and picking out the key... I know I left some places in the
process that need filling in. I'm not really shure how you'd accomplish
this. You know what you're talking about, so how would you do this? What
would you propose we do? Help me progress the idea into something we can
actully use...

-Jeremy

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Apr 3, 2002, 6:43pm

Just curious to know...

What did you do to secure your OP? How was it insecure earlier?

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Apr 8, 2002, 6:42pm

What you're looking for would probably be PGP Disk.. I'm not sure where you
can find it anymore.

It creats a new partition on your hard drive, and all information is written
to it though this program. PGP Disk handels the mounting and unmounting of
the filesystem. For the partition to be used it must be mounted, which
requires a key. (this is strong encryption). After use, you can unmount it,
and the info will be totally unreadable.

-J.

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Apr 8, 2002, 11:53pm

Ok, then you'll want to upgrade to Win2000. Each user has their own folder
of settings and documents. You can store you stuff there, and only someone
with administrator privlages will be able to access it. All you do is log
off when you step away from the computer.

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Apr 10, 2002, 1:20am

"SMILE : ) COF LOVES YOU!"

Wonder why you don't see that anywhere but CofMeta anymore....

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Apr 10, 2002, 6:43pm

You see, they know that 99.9% of people out there (not including you and me)
won't know the difference. They're just trying to amaze people by pulling
personal information off the net. It is also included simply to develop the
plot, wheather it's accurate or not. It *is* a fiction (tv show), so they
can do what they'd like...

However, maybe you're mistaken... A whois lookup will give you some personal
info, sometimes... Try this one..
http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=jtechwebsystems.com&SearchT
ype=do

That's for my domain name (it's only reserved, not actully working yet..)..
But you get my home address. (they spelled it wrong though..lol)

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Apr 13, 2002, 4:22am

have you seen the growing list of "aw3d" worlds? There's 60 of them now...
so, no one can get in them.. God only knows what they use them for... lol

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Apr 22, 2002, 12:41am

Probably the best way to run a world is to let someone else host it. Find a
hosting service ( I offer good, free hosting.. I can set you up with
everything you need) and let them do all the dirty work. This let's you
worry more about creating objects, building, and running things in your
world.... Instead of worrying about server security, backing up your data,
installing the world server, and web server admin.

To run a world on you own you'd probably need:

-A computer to use to develop your objects and textures on (also used to
build and access your world)
-A computer to dedicate to hosting your world and the world's Object Path.
(it doesn't have to be really fast.. just as long as it works)
-A relatively fast internet connection.. DSL./Cable or faster - with a fixed
IP address
-Knowledge and experience at setting up and maintaining a web server
-You'll need MS Windows (for newbies) or a free copy of Linux if you know
what you're doing.
-Want a domain name? Better figure out how to use BIND (for Linux) or find a
DNS server for Windows.
-Experience with Photoshop or Painter (or any other nice image editing
program) for creating your textures.
-You'll need to lean RWX scripting and/or buy a copy of TrueSpace
-Anything else I left out....

Again, easiest thing is to let someone else host it. That way you can learn
RWX to create your objects, make your textures, and build using them without
worrying about all the server stuff.

-J.

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Apr 23, 2002, 1:07am

Yeah.. that's what I was trying to get at...

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Apr 23, 2002, 1:18am

I could not run an OP and AW server off my personal/home system:

1) I install software and need to reboot everynow and then..
2) My system is not designed for being a server and thus does not have key
components that are not required, but nice to have
3) My phone company is weird.. my ip address is semi-fixed, it tends to
change without warning....

This means, if you want serious, 24/7 hosting... then you *must* dedicate a
system doing nothing be serving up content.

About using Linux.. I reccond it for security reasons. I agree that there
aren't a *bunch* of crackers out there looking for security holes in the
awserver, however.. i'm more worried about the HTTP server used for the OP.
Case in point: Microsot IIS Vs. Apache. Apache has had so few security
exploits found that I could count them on my fingers... IIS on the other
hand takes installing around, ohh say, 300 pathches (and then it's still not
very secure). So, again.. if you're serious about hosting your OP and
world, you're going to need a good server, in other words: Avoid IIS at all
costs (get apache, even if you have to settle for the win32 version).

Again, all the stuff I mentioned was for *serious* hosting.. If you're only
going to be hosting your world and your own IP, and you don't mind if it's
down from time to time... Then:
-Download and install the AW world server..
http://www.activeworlds.com/products/download.asp
-Download and intall/configure the Apache web server...
http://httpd.apache.org/
-Find a free dynamic DNS service, and get them to help you register your
domain name (if you want/need one)

But, even doing it yourself has its disadvantages.. That's why I still
recomend letting someone who has the proper equipment host it for you. Makes
life a lot simpler for you.


-JerMe

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Apr 23, 2002, 7:23pm

You mean you have IIS running, and it's nabbed port 80 (or whichever port
you configured it for)... Simply shut down IIS and make sure it won't start
again on boot...

If you still want a way to run the server, but use the port it's using...
then you need to change the port the server is using. Not sure how to do
this with IIS.. get apache.

If IIS isn't working on port 80, then you probably need to open it up in
your firewall, or make sure no other software is using that port.

-J.

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Apr 24, 2002, 7:25pm

From http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/quotes_reports.asp?symbol=AWLD`&selected=AWLD
:

"The principal activities of the company is to provide software products and
services that enable the efficient development and delivery of
three-dimensional content to the internet and intranet. the users can
utilize these technology to create objects and structures in the virtual
worlds which other users can see and explore in real time. the
three-dimensional technology has a wide variety of applications in education
and entertainment industry. the company acts as an application service
provider and permits users to license its technology for integration into
their web applications which may be hosted on to the company's server.
clients of the company include boeing, carlsberg brewing, philips
multimedia, the canadian ministry of education, swiss telecom and the
university of london."


Is it just me, or do they have some serious grammar/punctuation issues?

-How about capitalizing the first letter of the beggining of a sentence...
-The first sentence has a subject verb agreement problem.. "activities" is
plural, "is" is singular.. change "is" to "are"
-In the second sentence "thechnology" should be "technoligies", or change
"these" to "this". (also subject verb agreement..)
-Insert "the".... "in *the* education and..." of change "industry" to
"industries".
-Shouldn't "university of london" be University of London?

Sorry if i'm insluting anyone, but sheesh.. was this written by a third
grader?

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Apr 24, 2002, 9:49pm

Yea, I mean.. I have better things to do than sit arround and correct
people's grammer all day. E-mails and newsgroup posting are informal anyway,
so grammer/spelling doesn't matter as much. Just as long as you get the
point across.

However, when it comes to a paragraph (probably written by AWCOM) describing
a company for business dealings I expect much better than 5th grade writing
skills.

-J

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Apr 24, 2002, 9:53pm

Lol.. rhetorical or not, i'm going to reply anyway...

I'm not sure who typed it. Could have been AWCom, or it may not have been.
Still, my point remains... On a stock quote/exchange site anyone would
expect to see better grammer than that.

No need to thwack me.. ;-) I'm not that bored.. As I said before, e-mail is
informal.. grammer/spelling don't matter as much.

-J.

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May 21, 2002, 5:19pm

But why would JP and Rick sell 600,000 shares each? At $.15... that's
$180,000 dollars changing hands.

Seems a little excessive to me... I think this other company is planning
something. Maybe they just want to have their foot in the door, so when AW
bites the dust they'll have an advantage.

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Jun 3, 2002, 1:06am

look a little harder, there are many nice ones done with JavaScript. I used
to know of a nice JavaScript code website. I don't have the link right off,
try a search on Yahoo.

-Jeremy

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Jun 8, 2002, 8:13pm

I'm going to be setting up POP on my server soon. It won't be free, but
it'll be cheap. (A few dollars a month, in the < 5 rage).

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Jun 15, 2002, 9:17pm

sandbox? never heard that analogy before, but I know what you're talking
about. I'm still pretty sure you could access memory directly with Java.

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