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crazy canuck

Jan 21, 2002, 9:59pm
I need a few recommendations as to which version of Linux I should use for a
webserver. Anyone have any recommendations as to the most reliable version?

bowen

Jan 21, 2002, 10:06pm
[View Quote] All work for what you need, you can really get a stripped down version for
it. I would recommend Redhat if you're just learning linux. That's my
opinion.

--Bowen--

ananas

Jan 21, 2002, 11:47pm
If you don't want a too bloated sytem, and want
to use it only for a web server, you should consider
FreeBSD instead of Linux. It is binary compatible,
comes with all necessary services but no 100 editors
and 37 FTP servers and 7 office packages and and and

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agent1

Jan 21, 2002, 11:53pm
[View Quote] LOL :)

One person's saturated "market" is another's freedom to choose what they
like :)

-Agent1

ananas

Jan 22, 2002, 12:02am
BSD is binary compatible - you still have the choice to
install all the packets you want, but your HD does
not look like a junkyard after the first installation.
That's something the installer leaves to you ;)

And if Crazy Canuck wants to use it as a server, why
should he stuff the HD with things he does not need?

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sw chris

Jan 22, 2002, 4:22am
If you're willing to wait a couple months, go to lindows.com

SW Chris

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ananas

Jan 22, 2002, 4:44am
In this case no GUI is required, so a plain networking
BSD will do fine - and even need not more than a P100
or even less.

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baron

Jan 22, 2002, 6:44am
I would recommend using for a web server something you are familiar with, from your post I take it that you have no or very little experience with *nix or you'd have your own personal favorites. Security and performance, if those are your concern, do not come bundled with the OS no matter what some "experts" say. To me running a public web server on an OS you don't have experience is like asking for trouble. If I were you I'd go for Win2K/XP with IIS5, Apache or Xitami, again no matter what some "experts" say :)

At the same time it would be a good idea to get a cheap machine, preferably more for a small LAN, add 2-3 HDs and mess around (offline) with different *nix (Mandrake being an excellent start) till you feel confident about them. Then you can use that hands-on experience to run your web server on the stable, secure and (most of the times) free realm of *nix. No matter what your choice is, win or *nix, be prepared for a *lot* of daily, never ending studying, again if security and performance are your concern. Of course if it's all about cost discard all of the above (except the studying part). Good luck.

-Baron


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bowen

Jan 22, 2002, 1:32pm
> I would recommend using for a web server something you are familiar with,
from your post I take it that you have no or very little experience with
*nix or you'd have your own personal favorites. Security and performance, if
those are your concern, do not come bundled with the OS no matter what some
"experts" say. To me running a public web server on an OS you don't have
experience is like asking for trouble. If I were you I'd go for Win2K/XP
with IIS5, Apache or Xitami, again no matter what some "experts" say :)

You don't want to recommend XP for a webserver, nor IIS. It's just a really
bad thing to do, let alone having to pay $300+ for it. I may not be an
expert but it just doesn't seem wise. Win2k is the best choice, but Apache
is the best choice for a webserver IMHO, it's been around a lot longer, and
is generally more secure. And before Agent1 jumps at me fore bashing
Microsoft again let me explain to you why I feel XP is not a sound choice.
First the raw TCP ports, it leaves your computer completely vunerable, and
gives other people root access, then the price, obviously :). IIS is the
other big problem, there's so many holes and security breaches it hardly
seems logical to use it.

> At the same time it would be a good idea to get a cheap machine,
preferably more for a small LAN, add 2-3 HDs and mess around (offline) with
different *nix (Mandrake being an excellent start) till you feel confident
about them. Then you can use that hands-on experience to run your web server
on the stable, secure and (most of the times) free realm of *nix. No matter
what your choice is, win or *nix, be prepared for a *lot* of daily, never
ending studying, again if security and performance are your concern. Of
course if it's all about cost discard all of the above (except the studying
part). Good luck.

Yeah, learn the stuff before you jump into it. You can mess up a *nix
machine bad if you don't know what you're doing.

--Bowen--

baron

Jan 22, 2002, 4:08pm
[View Quote] > You don't want to recommend XP for a webserver, nor IIS. It's just a really bad thing to do, let alone having to pay $300+ for it. I may not be an expert but it just doesn't seem wise. Win2k is the best choice, but Apache is the best choice for a webserver IMHO, it's been around a lot longer, and is generally more secure. And before Agent1 jumps at me fore bashing Microsoft again let me explain to you why I feel XP is not a sound choice. First the raw TCP ports, it leaves your computer completely vunerable, and gives other people root access, then the price, obviously :). IIS is the other big problem, there's so many holes and security breaches it hardly seems logical to use it.
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Sorry but you are completely mistaken. I can think some reasons someone might prefer *nix over XP and MS in general but the one you mentioned is not even a reason, it means *nothing*. I can't comment on the price, it's your wallet, but it doesn't seem to be much for those who need it. Raw (or Berkeley) sockets support (I suppose that's what you refer to) has something to do with security? The only person that I know of being concerned over raw sockets support on a commercial OS is S. Gibson who started a mass hysteria and was proved wrong on this one to date (still only time will tell, to be fair it's only 3 months with XP). Raw sockets is a standard and standards are set to be followed, period. His concern was not security btw but the ability to spoof source IP in TCP packets which can lead to massive DDoS if abused. There are more fun stuff to do with raw sockets but that was Gibson's concern since many kidiots want to be famous by giving him a hard time. Every *nix AND Win2K support raw sockets, only Win9x does not (at least without special NDIS drivers). Relax, the sky is not falling :)

IIS is not a bigger problem than any other web server. It had it's fair share of bugs and flaws but they are not more nor less than any other web server, even Apache which seems to be your favorite. Apache is not the most popular server because of its security, it's the configuration options that are available to the competent admin that IIS or Xitami can't even dream of. The real problem is not software, it's people. Those who *think* they know what they are doing (many admins I've met included). Code Red and Nimda just proved that. Swept the clueless ones off the face of the net in two days while others had patched *months* ago (CR-March/Nimda-May) and were just watching laughing. Anyway that's the way it goes, every Joe, Dick and their mothers pose as an admin and security guru, setting up corporate networks just because the installation of Win2K AS didn't explode in their face like any *nix would. That's where the constant studying I mentioned before comes to play. Learn as much as you can, stay in touch and MS is as secure as anything else.

-Baron

jerme

Feb 1, 2002, 2:46am
>IIS is not a bigger problem than any other web server.
*cough cough* Do some research pal... What are we up to now...Arround 300
patches for IIS??!? And you're trying to say Apache isn't any better....
umm. ok.... My main point i'm going to argue is this...

Code Red and Nimda:
affected linux machines running Apache: 0
affected windows machines running Apache: minimal -
apahce rejects the malformed URL as 404 errors
affected windows machines running IIS: countless - many
patches needed to plug holes made visible by these

Steve Gibson of GRC.com is right... raw sockets in XP are a hand delivered
invatation for DDoS attacks. People say he's wrong b/c no one good enough
has written a virus for it. Expect to see the number grow exponentialy over
the next few months...

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bowen

Feb 1, 2002, 1:32pm
I gave up on trying to argue, he won't listen.

--Bowen--

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j b e l l

Feb 5, 2002, 11:24pm
another reason in the long list not to use IIS


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sunofsolaris

Feb 28, 2002, 11:58pm
yo hippies screw you
i kik u in the NUUUTTTZZZZZ

if he/she doesnt want to fill up his/her hard drive
why doesnt he/she consider ZipSlack, a linux installation in under 100mb, so
called as it will fit on a Zip disk. May need to download a few libs n
mods, but with those a webserver should be executable on there.

dont even have to repartition to run the installation :) nice huh ?

if repartitioning is a pain and ZipSlack really dont float your boat, then
consider WinLinux, another that will run in a fat32 partition along side a
windows installation

any way

l8rz

have fun

kris[SunOfSolaris]

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p.s. screw linux users, get a real OS, like Solaris :) :)

LIX LIX LIX LIX KISS




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sunofsolaris

Mar 1, 2002, 12:09am
perhaps i am being stupid here, but weather XP support raw sockets or not,
surely this is not security risk to the user of the OS ? Only an advantage
to the skilled coder who is able to abuse the support of raw sockets in
building custom tcp packets, in order to cause DoS on another ip ?

If i was to install XP on my machine, errrrr which NO WAY am i going to do
for reasons other than security, surely i am not at risk from my own machine
? I have just increased my own potentional to cause damage to other IPs ?

maybe i'm wrong, dont even know why i am defended the OS, i hate it.

Apache, by the way, i would agree is a much more secure webserver than IIS,
problem with IIS is a poorly implemented scripting language(ASP) that is
riddled with security holes, many now patched and many still waiting to be
found. Apache is, i agree, also highly configurable.

hooray for kris

lots of love

kris[SunOfSolaris]

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