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Nov 23, 2003, 5:40pm

Many years ago when Alpha World was young, a hopeful young lady became a
citizen of our fine community. From the moment she entered, she faced harsh
words and criticism. She built a little house out from the view of everyone
yet tried to fit her way into the community. There were good times as well
as bad, but it seemed that for her, the bad times out weighed the good many
times fold. She decided to leave but before she did figured she would do so
without ever having left one trace of her existence in the place that had
lended to her hurt. When it was finally done, she left. After her pain and
grief and subsided a bit, she decided to come back to AW and visit some of
those who had been nice to her. Someone asked her how she could have been
so upset as to delete an entire house before she left. She had no answer.
After a short time, she again, tried to build a new home, this time vowing
to never delete again. However, when the desperation of her circumstances
grew unbearable, she again formed a pattern of deleting objects. After a
period of two years, she had deleted 6 major builds, but the devastation
went much further than that. Because she was so absorbed with her own pain
and hurt she did not realize that with each build she deleted, she broke
relationships but more than that - the bond of trust she had formed with
those in the community and closest to her. Each time she tried to mend
relationships, her reasoning was that she hadn't hurt anyone but herself
when she deleted her own objects. So, why should they be hurt? What should
it matter to her neighbors?

And then very harsh reality became her close friend, so close, she choked on
the truth.

Is this the definition of AW Virtual Terrorism?

The use or threatened use of force or deletion or altering of objects and or
property by a person or an organized group against people with the intention
of intimidating or coercing communities, a group of people, a world, a
universe, a galaxy, often for ideological or political reasons.

Was she a virtual terrorist? She didn't delete anything but her own builds?
She wasn't treated very well in many circumstances by those around her in
the community. Maybe it was her way of asking for help. Let me ask the
question in another way, if she built a house next door to you in real life,
then tore it down because of what someone in the neighborhood did or didn't
do to her, then came back to build it again, then burned it down, and
continued all over town that way, would you want to be her neighbor? Would
you want to give her any community privileges?

Another more important question, should we expect Activeworlds, Inc. to
negotiate with helping to give caretaker rights, discounted hosting services
to world owners and similar perks, gratuities, responsibilities to those who
delete, threaten to delete in the AW Universe?

Nov 23, 2003, 6:22pm

You don't even wanna know about real Virtual Terrorism...

- MR

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Nov 23, 2003, 6:36pm

Things like running a boeing_767.rwx into an office_building.rwx? LMAO

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Nov 23, 2003, 6:38pm

That has to be the most offensive thing I have yet heard in the NGs. How
could you laugh at something like that? Seriously guy.

LF

Nov 23, 2003, 6:58pm

Really? I've heard much worse.

Nov 23, 2003, 7:59pm

-_- </start sarcasm> yes and many years ago a hopefull young DarkMod was
walking through the woods was killed by a roaming monster. and lost all hope
for human kind, he decided to leave but not before dropping all his items on
the ground... </end sarcasm>

Is this the definition of people who are so stupid that they think that an
online game is real life, and terrorism actually can exist in it..

Should Blizzard offer awesome characters to people who threaten to delete
people chars, and the whole realm?????? OH god can someone please tell me
the answer!

See how stupid that post sounded when substituded with another game... One
can only wonder

Mod
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Nov 23, 2003, 8:02pm

Dude, I don't know if you've noticed, but in this day and age ANYTHING and
EVERYTHING someone or a group doesn't like is terrorism.

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Nov 23, 2003, 8:26pm

How _VERY_ true..

www.wewantyoursoul.com

Life is good, your government is in control.
You are safe, let us protect you.
Believe in yourself and Believe in Us.
We want your soul!

- MR

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Nov 23, 2003, 8:44pm

Ther was so uncalled for it isnt even funny... not in the slightest. Let
me remind you that almost everyone here will take serious offence to
that. What in the blue hell are you thinking?!

~neo

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Nov 23, 2003, 9:51pm

****Many years ago when Alpha World was young, a hopeful young lady became a
citizen of our fine community. ****

Is this about you the lady?

****From the moment she entered, she faced harsh
words and criticism. ****

That doesn't happen to every one. What did you do or say to fuel such harsh
words and criticism? Usually in aw if you have a pleasant attitude then
every one else dose too.

****She built a little house out from the view of everyone
yet tried to fit her way into the community. There were good times as well
as bad, but it seemed that for her, the bad times out weighed the good many
times fold.****

Maybe she should have dwelt more on the few good times rather then stewing
over the many bad times.

****She decided to leave but before she did figured she would do so
without ever having left one trace of her existence in the place that had
lended to her hurt. When it was finally done, she left.****

That isn't so unreasonable.

****After her pain and
grief and subsided a bit, she decided to come back to AW and visit some of
those who had been nice to her. Someone asked her how she could have been
so upset as to delete an entire house before she left. She had no answer.
After a short time, she again, tried to build a new home, this time vowing
to never delete again.****

This isn't unreasonable either. Many people have left and then returned
years later to try to make a home in AW again.

****However, when the desperation of her circumstances
grew unbearable, she again formed a pattern of deleting objects. After a
period of two years, she had deleted 6 major builds, but the devastation
went much further than that. Because she was so absorbed with her own pain
and hurt she did not realize that with each build she deleted, she broke
relationships but more than that - the bond of trust she had formed with
those in the community and closest to her. Each time she tried to mend
relationships, her reasoning was that she hadn't hurt anyone but herself
when she deleted her own objects.****

You haven't yet said what the circumstances were. Harsh words and criticism
isn't usually enough to make people act like spoiled babies throwing a
temper tantrum. That's what you did when you kept deleting.

****So, why should they be hurt? What should
it matter to her neighbors?****

Well if they were using your build as part of the background for their build
or part of the ambience of their area, I can see why it would be so annoying
to have part of what they created ripped away over and over.

****And then very harsh reality became her close friend, so close, she
choked on
the truth. Is this the definition of AW Virtual Terrorism?****

No, it is not. What it is, is more like an annoying, temper tantrum
throwing, spoiled babie acting up. No one wants to be around a child who
acts like that when it isn't their own child. So, what you ended up doing
was alienating your friends and neighbors enough that they didn't want to be
around you any more.

****The use or threatened use of force or deletion or altering of objects
and or
property by a person or an organized group against people with the intention
of intimidating or coercing communities, a group of people, a world, a
universe, a galaxy, often for ideological or political reasons.****

See, it's this kind of sentence that gets you in trouble. No one cares about
all that. No one comes to AW to deal with all that. I personally take a live
and let live attitude. You, on the other hand, like to get into other
peoples personal business and try to tell others how to live and behave. No
one wants that.

****Was she a virtual terrorist?****

The first deletion wasn't terrorism, it was her being hurt. I get that. The
following deletions were here being a big spoiled baby. Only cause she didn'
t learn from the first time around. You knew what you left the first time.
You knew what you were coming back to. What made you think it would be any
different if your own way of doing things didn't change?

****She didn't delete anything but her own builds?****

Again, when you delete your build, something like a house and the property
around your house, you also delete the ambience and back grounds of your
neighbors builds. That can be really annoying.

****She wasn't treated very well in many circumstances by those around her
in
the community. Maybe it was her way of asking for help.****

How did you ask for help?


****Let me ask the
question in another way, if she built a house next door to you in real life,
then tore it down because of what someone in the neighborhood did or didn't
do to her, then came back to build it again, then burned it down, and
continued all over town that way, would you want to be her neighbor? Would
you want to give her any community privileges?****

I some one built a house next door to me then tore it down cause of
something some one in the neighbor hood did to her, I would think she is
within her rights and wish her well where ever she ended up. But, if she
came back, then burned it down, I would think she needs a DOCTOR badly. I
would be really upset at that point because I would then be thinking she may
burn my house down next. It's just a short step from burning your own to
burning others. So, no I wouldn't want her as a neighbor and no, she wouldn'
t get community privileges.

****Another more important question, should we expect Activeworlds, Inc. to
negotiate with helping to give caretaker rights, discounted hosting services
to world owners and similar perks, gratuities, responsibilities to those who
delete, threaten to delete in the AW Universe?****

What has this to do with the original question? The rights you are talking
about apply to private world owners, not to people who build in AW.

Imagine

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Nov 24, 2003, 1:43am

Vastly different comments I've received.

Let me clarify, the article was mainly written for two reasons.

1) To create awareness about other kinds of terrorism other than what we
see and hear on television - I've had a desire to write about that for a
very long time.

2) To let anyone that deletes or threatens to delete know that they aren't
the only one that has a problem and that if it continues, it might create
other problems such as being given consideration for hosting or community
privileges.


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Nov 24, 2003, 3:23am

> 2) To let anyone that deletes or threatens to delete know that they
aren't
> the only one

so you are giving sympathy to people who delete things for fun?

that has a problem and that if it continues, it might create
> other problems such as being given consideration for hosting or community
> privileges.

The people that delete things for fun don't give a crap about hosting things
or being part of a community.

Nov 24, 2003, 4:09am

Normally i would not reply to such a thread, but this thread really crosses
the line with you, so here is some more fuel to your fire.

Stop being such a lamer. Your story shows your ignorance. How retarded do
you have to be to write this piece of crap story. This is like the 100th
time I have seen this stupid post now shut your hole about it.

You want hosting? cheap? You apparently do not read the worldbuilders NG;
all you do is post useless crap. If you had read it, you would know that
Builderz has 3dhost.net. If you took time to research other web hosting
solutions from andras or hertfall: you would know these services are not
over priced.

Your story is so slanted and show horrible use of persuasive writing. What
kind of shit are you trying to start? Your post is the least bit relevant
to the community. This story only concerns YOU. Why write in third person;
do you not care about your self worth enough to write your personal
narrative in first person? You are not a virtual terrorist in AW you are a
terorrist on these news groups.

Let's see some rebuttle: a huge ass flame to me. Bring it dirty whore, I
can't wait.

DM

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Nov 24, 2003, 4:13am

I'll have to agree on alot of your points...okay, all of them, buts it quite
apparent someone did not get their sleep last night...

"dirty whore"? Now seriously, was that called for?

LF

Nov 24, 2003, 4:22am

HertFell not overpriced?! You must be joking! HertFell is a fucking
RIPOFF!!!! Charging $550 for a P-100! That's seriously BULLSHIT man!!!!

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Nov 24, 2003, 4:50am

Taking a quick look at http://worldhosting.heartfall.com/, it seems that
anything above a P-60 will cost you $350.00 USD per year (if you prepay)
from Heartfall for basic world hosting.

Builderz
http://www.3dhost.net

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> RIPOFF!!!! Charging $550 for a P-100! That's seriously BULLSHIT man!!!!

Nov 24, 2003, 4:55am

Thats what it says on the site, but the reality is different, he demanded
$550 for a certain well-known P-100/30 world. But luckily they dropped his
ass.
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Nov 24, 2003, 5:04am

Wow! If that's true, that's more than what AWI charges to host a P-100!

Builderz
http://www.3dhost.net

[View Quote] > Thats what it says on the site, but the reality is different, he demanded
> $550 for a certain well-known P-100/30 world. But luckily they dropped his
> ass.

Nov 24, 2003, 7:09am

Its true, it has to be my world A!!CT they are talking about I'm sure,
because it's true thats what InSaNiTy tried to con out of me, not to mention
all the greif I put up with him worrying someone from my world was going to
hack his path, it was a nightmare doing business with him. Thats just my
opinion, but its true. Not trying to bust anyones butt here. hes also great
for adding ejections to your world for people he doesnt personally like,
whether you approve of it or not.
MrBruce
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Nov 24, 2003, 10:00am

I am quite sure that nobody thinks what happened 9/11 was funny, but somehow
the idea of it happening in virtual enviroment is somehow amusing.

I am quite sure that the people who was executed with a giljoutine or hanged
did not find it very amusing either, yet I see the equipment for this in AW.
I am quite sure that the vitanamese, afganistanian, iraqian killed by the US
Army did not found it very pleasent either; yet I see worlds praising these
killers. At one point there was even a world in Aw called Iraque and it was
a base for american troups, not a single word in arabic, not the iraqian
flag. I bet that if someone would have a world called USA and fill it with
anti-american material, someone would be offended, right?

Drac
neocube <majmatrixx at excite.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3fc13845 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Ther was so uncalled for it isnt even funny... not in the slightest. Let
> me remind you that almost everyone here will take serious offence to
> that. What in the blue hell are you thinking?!
>
> ~neo
>
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Nov 24, 2003, 5:40pm

Count, for not towing the current US administration / fox news line, I'm
forced to brand you a subversive. Report to Guantanamo bay on the double.

Why do you hate freedom?



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Nov 24, 2003, 5:59pm

He is anti-American because he is ignorant. If he were to learn more about what "an American" is, maybe he would lighten up a bit. Sometimes you need to look past the "TEAM" your against and look at the "players".....when you put these things on a more personal level it's much easier to understand.... When you look at the "big tough American team" you will never see past that for what we really are.

IMHO
Leo :)


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Nov 24, 2003, 6:01pm

and Count Dracula....I am not calling you an ignorant person. I do not believe that you are ignorant. I'm saying you are ignorant to the facts of the argument you put forth though...:)

Leo :)


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Nov 24, 2003, 6:55pm

You know Leo, that's a really great way of putting it. That's real wisdom in
its element, and I really think you do all Americans justice with those
words. Thanks =)

LF

Nov 24, 2003, 7:50pm

Hell if hosting is a problem I dont officially have a hosting company but
you talk with me if you are really in a bind and I will work out a
reasonable price for you. Telegram or email, with what you want and what
you want to pay each month, or each year. Its linux hosting. Im not trying
to profit out of this just a gesture for some world owners who are in
similar situations as I am.

DM

P.S. If you want it free, don't bother asking.

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Nov 24, 2003, 9:25pm

Yep, exactly my views forever. That "team" and "players" statement is so
simply put, so logical, who could argue? Same with any country. That's
really the important thing in this virtual environment especially. Beyond
that, get to know maybe half a dozen residents of each US state, multiply
that understanding by a million, and you have a pretty good idea of what we
are. But read a few newspaper accounts from other countries and listen to
its neighborhood conversations and you don't know enough to judge. Like
Dracula himself and the name he uses. He doesn't suck the life out of a
person. On the contrary, I know he gives much more than he gets. I know,
too, that he is far from anti-American on a personal level. I don't think
all Finns have enough stock to open their own auto parts store either, just
because he does ;-).

I'm thinking-or hoping-Starfleet just didn't think before he made the
comment about the virtual plane in the virtual building. Apparently it was
the image that "Virtual Terrorism" conjured up in his head. Probably
logical. Maybe adding "LMAO" made it seem worse.

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Nov 24, 2003, 10:21pm

Virtual Terrorism: zaw6.rwx + awnewbie + deleter with zaw6.rwx its deleters
that are AW's terrorists...that and hackers that gain rights in a world and
delete it.


[View Quote] I'm thinking-or hoping-Starfleet just didn't think before he made the
comment about the virtual plane in the virtual building. Apparently it was
the image that "Virtual Terrorism" conjured up in his head. Probably
logical. Maybe adding "LMAO" made it seem worse.

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Nov 25, 2003, 2:39am

one thing that I also noticed is that InSaNiTy is so full of himself. all
his posts are about his sheer saintliness. I have also heard from other
people that he has a big time superiority complex.

Nov 25, 2003, 11:23am

I love freedom :) I hate imperialism

Drac
baro <baronjutter at shaw.ca> kirjoitti
viestissä:3fc25ea4$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Count, for not towing the current US administration / fox news line, I'm
> forced to brand you a subversive. Report to Guantanamo bay on the double.
>
> Why do you hate freedom?
>
>
>
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Nov 25, 2003, 11:48am

I admit saying critical things about America, European Union, Catholic
Church etc. People often tend to take this very personal. I have nothing
against the people as persons; it is the "institutions" I am against. At
the moment I am really scared of the official political line of USA. It is
like "take our freedoom or die". I remember a while ago one needed about
1.15? to buy one 1$, now one needs about 1.20$ to buy 1?. People in USA who
do not see what this lead to must be blind.
European Union has taken away the right of making own decissions in
countries. More and more the power goes to the big countries in EU. Rich
people get more rich and poor people more poor. Laws that are made that
allows control of individuals.

I just wish people would become more critical towards their leaders;
otherwise things will end up as in former Sovjet Union. The leaders are
allowed to do what they want for a long time, they build such a strong
system that it will take years of suffering to get rid of it.

The USA of today has started to more and more remind of Sovjet in the
70-ies; I just find it very scary.

Drac
binarybud <leo at realPANTStourvision.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3fc26305$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> He is anti-American because he is ignorant. If he were to learn more
about what "an American" is, maybe he would lighten up a bit. Sometimes you
need to look past the "TEAM" your against and look at the "players".....when
you put these things on a more personal level it's much easier to
understand.... When you look at the "big tough American team" you will
never see past that for what we really are.
>
> IMHO
> Leo :)
>
>
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