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Aug 22, 2003, 11:06pm

"I don't know anything about your AW life, since I haven't run into you in
the worlds yet. But from what I have read in the news groups, I am assumeing
that you don't own a world. I sugest that if you buy a small world, and made
it a non public build world, then learned to model, so you could fill your
world with what ever makes you happy, you would have a much better time in
AW. REALLY!!! You should try that. Right now it seems that in AW you are
detached and are looking for attention. You should stop looking for
attention and just settle down. And building your own world would be a
perfict way to do that. I REALLY think you would be happy as the ruler of
your own world."

Btw, thanks for some of the help with the objects (-:

Where do you get modeler?

Aug 22, 2003, 11:07pm

[View Quote] >This has gone on long enough...

Has it?

When a few years ago you asked me to help you clear the mess 2 kids
had done in AWTeen, I was willing to help. I never realised you were
protecting kids who had taken and vandalised the equivalent of many
universes worth of land (according to you, they had by mistake kept
their fingers on the keyboard). Months later, it appeared the same
kids has had a much vaster input. My first reaction was to ask the
AWTeen team to take measures: freeze these peoples ability to
vandalise, and ban the culprits for a limited numbervof weeks. Your
reaction was histerical: you treated me as if I was chopping these
kids hands etc, and refused even to talk about this case. Your
neighbour kid maybe? I could not care less, kids need to be respected
whether you know them or not.

When months later I was called in by the caretaker of AWTeen to help
determine more damage created by these same kids, you not only refused
to help giving the appropriate data, but you actively boycotted the
investigation. I sent an email to AW and the AWTean group with CC to
you about this and declined to help ever again in this sort of
investigation unless all parties agreed.

In the meantime, I read in the AW newsgroups your active but behind
the back boycott of alleged GOR citizens in world you were responsible
for (AW sponsored worlds).

When we worked together in Avatars 2001, I was responsible
representing DigitalSpace Corporation. You took the liberty, in the
name of our corporation, to insult ActiveWorlds officials on the
matter of the participation of Peacekeapers (not through our official
cannels, through yours). I rebuked that. You also kept information
about sponsors hidden from us, and seemingly decided our event was
yours?

In avatars 2002, you were not invited to participate (my decision).
You held a war behind my back, hasseling our workers, and even sending
emails to my boss about how bad we were handeling the preparations to
the event. None of your business, all of your spite.

You are now propagating hate methods. Do you ever think I will keep
my mouth shut about this? I find what you are doing, perverting youth
(yes, you), despicable. Keep your own traumas to yourself! I have
had enough of biggots like you, working behind the back of people but
wearing an angel face.

Hope you realise what you are doing.
Alex




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Aug 22, 2003, 11:11pm

Harsh... yet justified.
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Aug 23, 2003, 12:48am

OK. I sat here long enough trying not to reply to these posts because I know
deep in your heart, The Lady, you are trying to improve what you see as a
problem. Many people have tried in vain to explain to you that they are
satisfied with their virtual lives and don't want more political mental
baggage than in their own real worlds. Like Imagine, I go to AW as a virtual
escape. I made some really terrific friends there and I continue making
friends. True, I spend more time socializing than creating, but at least I
don't have to worry about anyone "supervising" me there. My friends in AW
are a second family to me, but I enjoy NOT having to supervise anyone there
or doing more paperwork. AW is mostly a creative outlet for those people who
love to create virtual reality things and share them with others. The people
who are not into the building scene are there for the socialization. Nobody
is there to form more governments or committees. You seem to be the first
and only person I've ever met who is interested in making our virtual life
more complex. Why cant' we just keep it simple??? True there are some jerks
there that could use a good swift kick now and then.

But I ask you..... what did you mean by "mishandling of funds"??? There
are so many volunteers in AW. I don't believe anyone's getting paid real
money.

You also said:
"Either we, as a community, get with the program and support each other,
free ourselves, or we remain under the hostility of a dictatorship that
torments our citizens."

Huh???? What _hostility_? I don't see gangs of people beating upon each
other and turning faces into pulp. Its VIRTUAL reality!!!! What
dictatorship??? Did Musselini return from the dead??? Or Idi Amin?? What
Torment??? Sure there are disagreements among us regarding different
matters, and some people get out of hand, but that has NOTHING to do with
AWI.

I AM a free person. I don't need any "freeing" thank you. I am able to
explore anything I like within a public world. When I registered as a
citizen, I read the rules. Nobody OWNS me or bosses me around. I do my own
thing. I thought THAT was the object of belonging to a virtual community. I
try to be polite to everyone, even if they offend me or annoy me. I may get
a bit sarcastic at times, but it is meant in good humor. I try to help out
as best I can in different situations and try to keep the peace whenever
possible.

Also, I for one am not tormented. The worlds are rated to show us what is
allowed to be discussed in public. If someone feels the need to go beyond
that, then they need to look for a higher rated world. We can't and
_shouldn't_ be coerced into changing all the world ratings to G or PG to
suit a small population. (THAT would be "dictatorship"!!!) The real world
doesn't work that way and you have to realize AW has visitors and citizens
from all over the world. You mentioned something in an earlier post about
physical torture. Scuse me???? As far as _I_ knew, all those karate and
kickboxing sequences were not programmed to injure the human user of the AW
program. Or are some people having splinters forced under their nails as
they type???

I have no objections to any "spirituality" groups that enjoy meeting or
socializing within AW. I'm sure nobody would object to that. If they do,
they're insensitive dolts. If you want to organize a spirituality group,
please do so with my blessing. However please don't depend on me to join
you. I don't plan my real life schedule around AW. Its the other way around.
I fit in AW when I can, in my spare time like most other people there.
Please also keep in mind that there are a LOT of spiritual "leaders" and
wannabes online. I, personally, don't want to entrust my spirituality in
someone who isnt' properly trained in the form of spirituality I want to
persue. (does that make sense?) In other words, I already have a pastor in
RL. I try to be a good Christian. I don't need an online "spirituality
leader" or one who "claims" to be one or tries to be one. TYVM. ;-")

Morality..... hmmmmmm. Speaking of "diverse". How can you POSSIBLY think you
can lump all morals into one bunch of people to "dictate" to everyone
else???????? That one really perplexes me. I believe most people that go to
AW have good morals, even if some of them are perverts. Heh!! But who is to
say "his" morals are better than "hers"??? Let me repeat, the AW population
comes from different countries AROUND the world. Not just your little neck o
the woods hon. Visiting AW is like visiting a big city like New York. Feel
free to explore and become active and social. But beware the dangers. Be
aware of your surroundings and the people you talk to. Not everywhere or
everyone is safe. "What if" you recruited a person in your little "morality"
group who claims to you to be a preacher of the highest standings???? "What
if" that person you thought was one of the most moral people around was
lying to you, or worse yet, perving on little kids online or in real life???
Is THAT the chance you want to take in your effort to organize groups
online??? These days anyone can create a college degree looking form or
certificate on their computer and there aren't too many people out there who
are qualified to know whether it is a real degree or not. So without seeing
their official and real "resume" and qualifications, you are putting others
at risk. Hmmm..... the name Charles Manson comes to mind for some reason.
(Heh!! so does Marilyn Manson. <shudders>)

As far as physical health and mental health issues go..... how do you
propose to do that???? Put a virtual bandaid on everyone who jumps off a
cliff.rwx???? Lets face it hon, there will ALWAYS be people who are more
sensitive than others. They are the ones who fly off the handle at the
littlest things. They are the ones who get offended too easily. They are the
ones who cry if they cuss and get booted from a world. There will ALWAYS be
people who throw a tantrum and vandalize builds or display signs with
offensive material on it just to make someone embarrassed. Do you plan on
going around, polling people to see who is licensed (in the real world) to
give out health and/or mental health advice??? And what if you DO find
someone like that?? You gonna keep bugging them till they bend to your will
and become the official AW Dr or Psychiatrist?? You planning on opening a
virtual clinic??? Boy, talk about touchy issues there!! THAT would
definately be an ethics problem and these days with the new HEPA law in
effect in the USA, YOU could (and probably would) find YOURSELF in a huge
lawsuit hon!! Not to mention the poor sap who dispenses that advice. AW
would be shut down permentantly and also fined heavily. I know you don't
want that to happen.

Your "plan" and the description (or lack of it) is starting to sound to me
and to a lot of other people here, like you are insisting on all these
"changes" or we will all suffer something awful. Hmmmmm... aren't those
lines also used by bureacrat wannabes and dictators??? From what I've read
so far, you are not going to find many people willing to commit to all this.
There are too many unanswered questions about your fantasy of how AW should
be "run". And I wouldn't count on many people turning up at your meeting.
Its nice that you want to improve some things, but if you want democracy
like you CLAIM you do, you'll allow us to use our FREEDOM to choose our own
paths and live our OWN virtual lives FREE of a big brother breathing down
our virtual necks or having to vote on every little thing. But.... if you
feel the need to be in control.... you should seriously take Imagine's
advice and use AW as a creative tool, NOT a power tool. ;-")



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Aug 23, 2003, 1:45am

i just wanted to have the biggest town in awteen , wich i did have :)

Aug 23, 2003, 1:58am

im not directing this at you.. just it reminded me..

i hate people that cover so much land and say the town is the biggest.. i
judge size by the ammount of actual building and not cover.. lol i can put 1
house and cover 500 coords (yeah im exagerating) and call it the biggest
town.. in real life you cant put one building and make the city limits the
size of half a state and call it the biggest city...

again im not directing this at anyone.. just think that it should not happen
anymore.

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Aug 23, 2003, 3:30am

Do you like wait for her to post something just so you can pounce on her?
Honestly.....who gives a damn.

Elyk



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Aug 23, 2003, 4:54am

It goes on as long as people open new hate branches in
those threads.

The Lady does no harm so where's the freedom of speach?
She does not attack individuals, doesn't use foul language
doesn't attach huge files or use HTML so there is not any
reason to delete her threads.

Her opinions are quite extreme for AW of course - but if you
dig in the history, you will find people who had extreme
thoughts, have been killed or banned or laughed about and
are heroes today.

ActiveWorlds is maybe not the right place - but there is an
Internet Parliament now for the online community and I bet
that the first ones who asked for it has been laughed about.
It has no power yet and only few privateers are members -
but it is a start and would not exist if there were no ppl.
with "strange" ideas.

There's definitely _no_ reason to delete The Lady's threads.


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Aug 23, 2003, 8:22am

i agree totally , i was a total noob at that time , its like 2 years ago

Aug 23, 2003, 9:11am

Aug 23, 2003, 9:16am

And the truth shall hasth come out...

- Mark

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Aug 23, 2003, 11:00am

You are one of the few I know of that don't allow more than one person to
talk through your citizen name (unless I am badly mistaken). You are one of
the few that has kept the same citizen name since I've known you. I can
think of only very few others, Binary Bud, Princess Leia.

Why do other citizens, Pk's, and other leaders (supposedly people that
should have integrity) put people in so much pain allowing no telling who to
sign onto their citizen names. Especially when you think you are having a
very private conversation with someone you think you know? It is probably
one of the worst kinds of deceit that I can think of, and it does not help
to build and maintain trust in the community.


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Aug 23, 2003, 11:17am

Alex...

Your memory sure leaves something to be desired...

The teen leaders listened to me, thank heavens, and for good reason... I
had proved myself to them in helping them get organized and growing again
after the devastation of their whole Object Path having been deleted and
their counsel falling apart... You, on the other hand, were only asked in
because we thought you had a bot that could take care of the mess... Well,
you did, but you weren't willing to do more than a few hour's worth of
running it to help out... Still you thought that gave you the right to
immerse yourself in the situation and try to dictate what should be done
about it... Wasn't your place, Alex... Sorry about that...

I wasn't hysterical in talking to you, I used an example in trying to
explain to you why I didn't think the ONE kid who did the huge groundcover
should be banned or kicked out of AW and you do nothing but dwell on that
example... You memory of the timeing is off too...

In fact your memory is off in most of what you've mentioned --- either that
or you just like lying...

Many of the "gorbean" pursuasion lied about what I did or didn't do
concerning them in AW and the rest of the "gorbeans" swallowed the lies,
hook, line and sinker... My favorite "line" to the ones that approached me
on the subject was "be carful what you believe for you, too, can be lead
around as if you, too, wore a collar"... Had to be a line they could relate
to, after all... :o) Sounds like you swallowed the lies too...

Flagg knew me well enough to know the truth... He allowed the meeting with
the "gorbeans" because, as customer service representative, he had to try to
calm ppl down... Do you think for one minute that if what the "gorbeans"
had told him was true, that I'd still be running an AW owned world 2 years
after the fact???

"Hope you realise what you are doing." The ppl that have already seen
what you are, sit their shaking their heads saying "Yup, that's XelaG for
you. Some things never change." I guess that's one thing we have in
common though... I don't change much either and I believe that's what ppl
count on... They know pretty much what I will do in a given situation and
in many instances, they do count on me doing it... People count on you to
make your bot even better and better because that's what you are good at...
So why not stick to doing what you do best and stop trying to paint me black
just because I responded to TheLady's first post in this thread??? If you
had read my response like it was meant and not pushed it beyond my meaning
then none of the following crap would have come out... How could you have
missed the double quotes I put around "judged", "condemned" and "mentally"
tortured??? The answer is that you just couldn't resist trying to find a
way to put me down again even though I've left you alone for a couple of
years now... tsk, tsk, tsk...

I'm going to ignore your name-calling this time but if you deign to slander
me with words like "pervert" again, you will hear about it ----- done in "my
style", of course!!! LOL

..........and that's all I have to say to you, Mr. Alex "I think I am God" de
Castro... (guess the last name says it)


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Aug 23, 2003, 11:50am

i love you daphne

Aug 23, 2003, 11:51am

[View Quote] So you were responcible for it coming back... you deserve to die!

> You, on the other hand, were only asked in
> because we thought you had a bot that could take care of the mess...

Egh yeah.. Xelagot is the most advanced general purpose bot in existance...
Alex was one of the biggest assets to AWTeen and one of the most respected
in the entire world... I can remember when everyone started getting nervous
at talking when they saw Brant and XelaG together...

> Well,
> you did, but you weren't willing to do more than a few hour's worth of
> running it to help out... Still you thought that gave you the right to
> immerse yourself in the situation and try to dictate what should be done
> about it... Wasn't your place, Alex... Sorry about that...

Mmmmm, could it be someone who knows about solutions to a situation has a
greater ability to dictate what should be done, than someone who, in all
fairness, knows relativly squat about large scale vandalism prevention and
AW counter-'terrorism'.

> I wasn't hysterical in talking to you, I used an example in trying to
> explain to you why I didn't think the ONE kid who did the huge groundcover
> should be banned or kicked out of AW and you do nothing but dwell on that
> example... You memory of the timeing is off too...
>
> In fact your memory is off in most of what you've mentioned --- either
that
> or you just like lying...
>
> Many of the "gorbean" pursuasion lied about what I did or didn't do
> concerning them in AW and the rest of the "gorbeans" swallowed the lies,
> hook, line and sinker... My favorite "line" to the ones that approached
me
> on the subject was "be carful what you believe for you, too, can be lead
> around as if you, too, wore a collar"... Had to be a line they could
relate
> to, after all... :o) Sounds like you swallowed the lies too...
>
> Flagg knew me well enough to know the truth... He allowed the meeting
with
> the "gorbeans" because, as customer service representative, he had to try
to
> calm ppl down... Do you think for one minute that if what the "gorbeans"
> had told him was true, that I'd still be running an AW owned world 2 years
> after the fact???
>
> "Hope you realise what you are doing." The ppl that have already seen
> what you are, sit their shaking their heads saying "Yup, that's XelaG for
> you. Some things never change." I guess that's one thing we have in
> common though... I don't change much either and I believe that's what ppl
> count on... They know pretty much what I will do in a given situation and
> in many instances, they do count on me doing it... People count on you to
> make your bot even better and better because that's what you are good
at...
> So why not stick to doing what you do best and stop trying to paint me
black
> just because I responded to TheLady's first post in this thread??? If
you
> had read my response like it was meant and not pushed it beyond my meaning
> then none of the following crap would have come out... How could you have
> missed the double quotes I put around "judged", "condemned" and "mentally"
> tortured??? The answer is that you just couldn't resist trying to find
a
> way to put me down again even though I've left you alone for a couple of
> years now... tsk, tsk, tsk...
>
> I'm going to ignore your name-calling this time but if you deign to
slander
> me with words like "pervert" again, you will hear about it ----- done in
"my
> style", of course!!! LOL
>
> .........and that's all I have to say to you, Mr. Alex "I think I am God"
de
> Castro... (guess the last name says it)
>

Must say Daphne.. I never liked you, despised you would be more apt... but
who the hell do you think you are to go around getting at Alex like that,
where do you get off!? We could always do a MrBruce and start a new thread,
and have a vote who people would rather have here... I'll be damned if
anyone decided that you were a greater asset to the community than Alex...

- Mark
Wisemens Committee

Aug 23, 2003, 12:38pm

"joeman" <john at fakeplastic.com> wrote in
news:3f469323$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Has she killed anyone? Has she threatened anyone to death? Has she
> tried to hack anyone? Has she stolen anything? No.......... All you
> want to do is suppress her "new" and "radical" ideas... You know who
> also did that... that na... er....

She's just annoying. Her posts are practically spam. Disrupts the normal
flow of the groups, starts flamewars. She never seems to have anything
usefull to say either, so why let her post?

KAH

Aug 23, 2003, 12:38pm

You could ask Alex the same thing, couldn't you??? :o) After all, he is
the one that attacked me first...

For your information, I don't give a fig for what you think of me... You
might like to think highly of yourself but you are definately not one of the
ppl I think highly about...

BTW.. have you managed to take over AWTeen yet or are you still busy
spreading misinformation around at the Gate or blowing your own horn in the
ngs every opportunity??? :o)


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Aug 23, 2003, 12:47pm

"the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3f476567 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> You are one of the few I know of that don't allow more than one person
> to talk through your citizen name (unless I am badly mistaken). You
> are one of the few that has kept the same citizen name since I've
> known you. I can think of only very few others, Binary Bud, Princess
> Leia.
>
> Why do other citizens, Pk's, and other leaders (supposedly people that
> should have integrity) put people in so much pain allowing no telling
> who to sign onto their citizen names. Especially when you think you
> are having a very private conversation with someone you think you
> know? It is probably one of the worst kinds of deceit that I can
> think of, and it does not help to build and maintain trust in the
> community.

I highly doubt that information is correct. Quite few people allow others
to use their accounts (it's asking for trouble) in my experience.

I doubt even more that PKs and leaders would allow anyone to use their cits
(especially PKs, they really should know better).

Correct me if I'm wrong.

KAH

Aug 23, 2003, 12:56pm

Lead programmer for an AW distributor... :)

- Mark

Aug 23, 2003, 1:01pm

Oh, but appart from that... yes I've already taken over AWTeen and
missinformation spreads itself now.. just look at the GKs!

- Mark

Aug 23, 2003, 1:03pm

> OK. I sat here long enough trying not to reply to these posts because I
know deep in your heart, The Lady, you are trying to improve what you see as
a problem.<

To be truthful, I am going further than that. I am voicing that AW needs to
give the power to the citizens by allowing them fair free elections with
absolutely no hint of fraud, coersion, voting twice, money laundering, money
given to special interests, power corporations coming in and using funds to
coerce our citizens for their own "special interests", etc. To be truthful,
I feel gratuities granted for special favors should be "AW Illegal".

I am also voicing the community needs to strengthen itself and one way to do
that is in small or medium sized groups of like minded people with a common
link that bonds them together. (Sometimes it isn't a common link, some like
variety.) Within that group there needs to be a leader, a code of ethics,
provisions that address the needs of the people. That leader needs to be
able to have the ability to link with other group leaders without prejudice,
indifference, counter-productive agenda, etc. They must have the gift of
open mindedness to work for the good (and I emphasize good) for all of AW.

>Nobody is there to form more governments or committees.<

I'm glad you are enjoying your online AW experience. There is already an
unauthorized by the people of AW, not voted for by the people of AW
dictatorship in place. It persuades many people to do very cruel acts of
punishment against citizens when they have done something wrong, immoral or
what a few people might think is not right in their eyes. I am voicing
quite clearly that this is not humane. I am seeking to relieve this
situation for those who are experiencing problems. It is your right to not
participate and continue with building and conversing with friends.

I have heard a few voice their opinions that they want their freedom back.
Some do want a democracy, I have seen it with my own eyes at gz.

>You seem to be the first and only person I've ever met who is interested in
making our virtual life more complex. Why cant' we just keep it simple???<

I am asking people to understand that there are citizens here who have been
treated inhumanely. I feel I have a moral obligation to try to help people
that are not being treated fairly. To do so under a oppressive regime is
like trying to swim against a tidal wave. In order for there to be total
reform, it must start from the top and work its' way down in order for
cruelties done to the citizens to cease. Enough is enough.


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Aug 23, 2003, 1:04pm

Doesn't impress me... :o) sorry...


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Aug 23, 2003, 1:08pm

LOL... I would say you are right but then I'd hear from all the GKs that
are doing what you said.. :o)

As far as you having taken over AWTeen ------ somehow I highly doubt that..
:o)


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Aug 23, 2003, 1:42pm

Daphne you twist the truth. You gang up on others because you feel you have
power. But you're nothing but hot air to those that know you well.


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Aug 23, 2003, 1:47pm

Hello Kah...

You are not wrong, or at least as far as I know you aren't... If you share
an account with someone, unless that someone else is implicitely trusted by
the PK Core, you will not be considered for a PK position... At least
that's the way it used to be.. I can't say with any certainty any more...


FOR THELADY'S INFORMATION:::
I can tell you that I have had this name almost since I began AW 6 years ago
and I don't share it with anyone... Only 2 ppl have my priv pw and they are
trusted implicitly by me and would never think to abuse the trust... If you
are talking to "Daphne" in AW then it is ME and no one else as I have never
shared my cit account password... I do have an account or 2 that I use to
"disappear" in when I have some work that needs to be done and the telegrams
won't stop coming but I use them only rarely... I do have another account
that I keep to allow me to share building projects with others under... I
have paid for quite a few more accounts than those 3 but have given them
entirely to other ppl that needed accounts...


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Aug 23, 2003, 2:00pm

LOL Yeah.. I'm a one-person gang!!! WOW.. What an impact I must have!!!
*G*

BTW.. have you gotten over my not having built a Veteran's Day "whatever"
in the place you set up to honor your buddy, BRO's service in the armed
forces??? Does it bother you that I spent time thinking about my own
father and grandfathers that also fought for their country rather than
spending the time helping you honor someone you wanted to honor and that I
didn't really know??? If it does, then get over it, you bag of even hotter
air!!! :o)

Those that know me well have a much better opinion of me and much better
knowledge of me that you will ever have.... Try to remember that.. :o)


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Aug 23, 2003, 2:12pm

No Daphne it was fine that you didn't build. You see I know how you are
about being center stage and all you had to do was simply say ty for the
invitation but I can't make time. You are rude and obnoxious. Here's your
get will wish to a dying person... AW 9979N 11000E. To prove my point. No
Daphne I'm not upset you didnt' build. I thank God you didn't because how
insincere that build would have been.

ORB


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Aug 23, 2003, 2:25pm

Excuse me, but are you saying I should have been a total hypocrit and
claimed she was one of my best friends??? That may be your style but
it's not mine... There is nothing wrong with that sign and although you
didn't know it (how could you), I kept in touch with Weebo during that time
to keep track of how she was doing, and I was always hoping for the best for
her...

People knew that she and I had butted heads but they also knew that when a
build needed to be made to thank Alpha Phalpha and AlphaPhalpha Bit for the
many things they did in AW "before" cancer finally took Alpha Phalpha, she
was the one I asked to do it and she readily agreed... Heck, even
AlphaPhalpha Bit and I bump heads over some issues but we still talk
together and know we can count on each other to do for AW...

I even tried to explain some things to you when you were upset over
something someone told you I had said but you'd have no part of it... Then
that Veteran's Day thing came up and I explained to you again why I didn't
build there...

Since then you've had nothing good to say about me... Well, sobeit... Ask
me if I care anymore what you think!!! :o)


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Aug 23, 2003, 2:39pm

NO ! It's how you make YOU the center of the universe.

Aug 23, 2003, 2:46pm

I apologize... I didn't know it was that important to you that I make you
the center of my universe... :o)

Eep quote: "drive through" :o)


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