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Aug 21, 2003, 1:14pm

We have heard from you in the past about how, if you aren't a good little
christian, you are evil. For you, it seemed to be one or the other. You are
right, there are a diverse group of people in AW and not all are Christian.
I am wondering who would be allowed in your democrisy ( please excuse any
bad spelling, it's early and I am not going to use a spell check) People in
AW have been called evil by you in the past because they don't believe
exactly as you do. I am not trying to turn this into a religous thing. Just
useing this as an example of your frame of mind. How do you expect any one
to take you seriously now, about equality in AW, when in the past you have
been so one sided and prejudice in your own right?

I said before, that it could make a nice little AW wide RPG.

Imagine

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Aug 21, 2003, 1:46pm

I apologize... The first 2 paragraphs said just the opposite of how I apply
my own judgement; moral or otherwise; to the choosing of persons to host in
CitBingo or AWTrivia worlds... But they do say just what might happen if
Alex had his way and no one was allowed to actually go by their own
judgements/opinions when dealing with others or choosing what they feel is
the right thing to do...

I DO exercise judgement when choosing hosts and often ask others what they
think of a person I'm considering as a potential host... My aim is to keep
those worlds G-Rated as is AWI's wishes...

These are Virtual ways, not Real ways, of "enforcing" my own judgement...
So virtually shoot me!!! *G*

I feel I have done a pretty good job in picking hosts and keeping conduct in
those worlds within limits...

Oh, but that's just MY opinion and, I guess, according to Alex, I'm supposed
to keep that to myself... LOL



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Aug 21, 2003, 4:03pm

Welcome back Daphne :)
Wee

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Aug 21, 2003, 5:00pm

Open the message, click message, block sender. it's as easy as muting in
AW.

Aug 21, 2003, 6:43pm

WTG Daph ;)


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Aug 21, 2003, 6:49pm

No, actually I just feel he was best at debating people's crap in the NG's
in some aspects, thanks for your 2 cents though ;P

Elyk


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Aug 21, 2003, 7:35pm

I think several share the sentiments of Kah ..whether or not they
express them though ...

Ryan

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Aug 21, 2003, 10:42pm

Uh, she's free entertainment.

-Joe

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Aug 22, 2003, 1:18am

I, as well as many many others are already investing in the future of AW :-)
we don't need a democracy to invest in the future of AW, there are little
things that we can do every day that keep AW going :-) for instance, like
not starting giant flame wars in the newsgroups :-) or go and try to get
ejected by a PK or GK :-) also, by not cruelly criticizing how AW runs,
constructive criticism is one thing, but many people just flame :-) that
doesn't do much, now does it?

J

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Aug 22, 2003, 4:02am

"> How is physical torture inflicted over the internet?
> And what about mental torture?
> Indirectly maybe. However, that statement was made to impress the fact
that
> physical and mental torture go together. In other words, both are
> abhorrible acts against a people. One can be just as bad as the other.
> Mental torture, although you can't see it, feel it, touch it, is just as
> serious as physical torture. One shouldn't be more impressed upon than
the
> other.
>
> Can't you just leave the place on the internet your in?
> Yes. However, AW is a real community, with real people, real friends,
real
> relationships. It isn't within the scope of being humane to ask someone
to
> leave their realm of community to allow mental torture to persist plaguing
> innocent people.
>
> What torture?
> When immoral acts are committed in AW, an organized effort by a group of
> people mentally torture them. This not only happens for immoral acts, it
> happens for other things, too.
>
> How do you influence a good quility of life from activeworlds?
> As I stated in an earlier post, by forming a core group of key people to
> oversee meeting the needs of the community - spiritually, physical health,
> mental health, morality, and other important issues concerning the people.
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Okay I am just gonna post this for my own personal amusement (I don't expect
the lady to comprehend any of this)

physical health? mental health? spiritually? this is just a CHAT program
using renderware. if you are having a physical health problem, there is no
surgeon.rwx with an "create animate me healing. 1 1 0" command on it that
magically heals you. Spirituality? Go to a nearby church in the real
world. Mental health? go somewhere in RL and contact a psychologist or (if
you are in school) the school counselor. What you have completely forgotten
is that there is something called RL. Every post you have made implies that
we are somehow trapped in this AW program. Like people have said a thousand
times before, if you don't like it, simply unsubscribe. But, of course, you
have never addressed your problem with why you can't just leave. Are you
handcuffed to the computer with no way of communicating except AW? But
seriously, you should sell your computer and take a walk outside. Go hiking
or something.

wow.. Eep would really enjoy threads like this

Aug 22, 2003, 4:04am

Enjoy The Lady while she lasts. E N Z O might start requiring paid
admission just to open her thread and see her ramblings. The Lady on PPV.

Aug 22, 2003, 10:11am

"baro" <baronjutter at shaw.ca> wrote in
news:3f4516db$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Open the message, click message, block sender. it's as easy as
> muting in AW.

First, not everyone is using MSOE. If I wanna plonk someone I simply press
K with the message selected.

Second, that's not going to get rid of all the replies.

Third, it's better to DEAL with the problem instead of brushing it under
the carpet. I've only got one person (with several aliases) on my killfile.
That was because I exhausted all ways of stopping him (abuse-friendly news-
server, no IP address, etc). I think that The Lady's behaviour over the
last months is unacceptable, and that therefore her posting *privilege*
(remember, it's a privilege, not a right) should be revoked, at least for a
while.

KAH

Aug 22, 2003, 3:19pm

You said, "How do you expect any one to take you seriously now, about
equality in AW, when in the past you have been so one sided and prejudice in
your own right?"

Answer:
If you feel I am prejudiced, you are certainly welcome to that opinion. The
plan I have in mind does not center around my beliefs, my convictions, my
personal opinions regarding how a culture should live their lives. To allow
one person to have power over overseeing the needs all means limiting the
quality of life of your people and the growth of your country. My plan is to
have trusted people from each group or community step up and make a solid
commitment to a leadership roll. Those leaders setting up a doctrine that
everyone can come to terms with and agree upon which will include helping to
meet the needs of their people, of their community, of their spirituality,
of their quality of life, whatever the needs of the people may be. A
brother and sisterhood of people to keep each other in check and check on
each other.

Also the people need to be given the right to vote. They need to be given
their freedom! They need the freedom to make the choice of who will be
their leader.

You said, "I am wondering who would be allowed in your democrisy"

Answer:
I have not said nor have I ever implied that any new democracy would be
mine.

You said, "We have heard from you in the past about how, if you aren't a
good little christian, you are evil."

Answer:
I have not made that statement. That is false.

You said, "People in AW have been called evil by you in the past because
they don't believe exactly as you do."

Answer:
I have not said people in AW are evil because they do not believe in what I
believe. That is false.

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Aug 22, 2003, 3:29pm

One of the most frustrating and difficult things about overcoming problems
in AW is not having someone you can relate to in your local area to
understand. AW is not to take the place of our local living, but for the
most very serious AW problems, it takes more than our local community can
help us with - it takes the help of another AW citizen or group of citizens.

You said, "But, of course, you have never addressed your problem with why
you can't just leave. Are you handcuffed to the computer with no way of
communicating except AW?"

Answer:
There was a time when I felt the people wanted me to leave. I felt I had
exhausted all ways I could come up why they didn't want me here. As I said
earlier, the citizens here have been through a lot. I left as a citizen for
awhile, but came around as a tourist. I communicate in my local area and I
communicate in AW. I try to have just as good quality of life in my local
area as I do AW.


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Aug 22, 2003, 3:40pm

JStone,

"by not cruelly criticizing how AW runs, constructive criticism is one
thing, but many people just flame :-) that doesn't do much, now does it?"

A few years ago I tried to fix the gap between AW company and the citizens.
I stood on top of the CofMeta building. I felt I did so in a manner that
was respectful to the company as well as the people. I feel I have really
been very careful about not slashing the company AW in the newsgroup. For
no other reason really, than feeling as if Cryonics and ENZO are just as
much a part of my family as anyone else. They've been through rough times
as well as the citizens, probably some we will never know about. If anyone
has suffered in complete silence, it is them. On the other hand, my
patience is wearing thin, not so much with how I've been treated, but I
think the turning point was when I found out others had been treated badly
(and still are treated badly). Somebody had to start the process of human
relief for the citizens.


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Aug 22, 2003, 4:05pm

brother and sisterhood of people to keep each other in check and check on
each other.<<<

I don't want people keeping me in check. I also don't want to be checking up
on others to make sure they are kept in check. I don't think any one wants
that in their AW lives. I don't come here so that other people can be
getting all in my business. And what other people do is their business.
Right now, if some one dose something that is completely out of line, there
are always people around who will do what they can to try and correct the
situation. And, that is fine. But I do not want people checking up on me, as
a rule, to make sure I am kept in check. If I'm not mistaken, don't think
anybody wants that.

I for one, come here to leave the real life garbage behind for the few hours
I am on line. If you want polotics there are plenty of places to find them
in the real world. For me in AW, it's a live and let live situation. So far,
for the last 6 years, that has worked out well for me.

I don't know anything about your AW life, since I haven't run into you in
the worlds yet. But from what I have read in the news groups, I am assumeing
that you don't own a world. I sugest that if you buy a small world, and made
it a non public build world, then learned to model, so you could fill your
world with what ever makes you happy, you would have a much better time in
AW. REALLY!!! You should try that. Right now it seems that in AW you are
detached and are looking for attention. You should stop looking for
attention and just settle down. And building your own world would be a
perfict way to do that. I REALLY think you would be happy as the ruler of
your own world.

If you should deside to take my advice, and want to learn to model. I would
be more then happy to teach you how to use wings3d, accutrans, modeler,
rwxmod, and photoshop :) to help you get started. Heck, I would also be
willing to help you get your world set up and running. I REALLY think you
just need a sence of belonging and importance. A world of your own would
give you that.

Imagine

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Aug 22, 2003, 4:37pm

If you are not interested in anything other than your good time here in AW
away from your local life, why do you question my religious beliefs, read
newsgroups, or take such an interest in reading my postings?

I believe it was you that made a comment in the now deleted part of the
community newsgroup that said you didn't want AW voting. I question why you
don't want AW voting.

Either we, as a community, get with the program and support each other, free
ourselves, or we remain under the hostility of a dictatorship that torments
our citizens.

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Aug 22, 2003, 8:03pm

Has she killed anyone? Has she threatened anyone to death? Has she tried
to hack anyone? Has she stolen anything? No.......... All you want to do
is suppress her "new" and "radical" ideas... You know who also did that...
that na... er....

-Joe

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Aug 22, 2003, 8:21pm

This has gone on long enough...


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Aug 22, 2003, 8:22pm

[View Quote] And you are not feeling this right now? O_o

Aug 22, 2003, 8:28pm

Question - "And you are not feeling this right now?"

Answer - I don't have an opinion or insight into that one way or the other.

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Aug 22, 2003, 8:31pm

[View Quote] It's entertaining for most people here to read your philosophies. We seek
out your posts for personal amusement. It's a fact, don't be offended. Why
are we so amused? Because, your posts don't use any logic at all. Remember,
AW is a company, and we are not citizens of AW. We are subscribers, who
have a right to simply leave if we don't like it here. Your idea that
customers should have equal power as the owner is absolutely ludicrous. The
owner is the one who is pouring in so much money to keep AW running for us.
Your idea will not work at all. Everyone is telling you that, why do you
persist?

Aug 22, 2003, 8:38pm

Everyone is telling you that, why do you persist?

Answer: Faith, Hope, Love.

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Aug 22, 2003, 8:47pm

community newsgroup that said you didn't want AW voting. I question why you
don't want AW voting.<<<<

Excuse me? I just went into my sent files and reread all of my replies to
your posts. Not a single one mentions me saying that I don't want AW voting.
In fact, in one of my replies I actually wished you luck in your endeavors
on this subject, and not in a sarcastic way. What I have been saying is that
to make your democracy work, you would need AWI on board backing up your
endeavors in any way they can. Without them on board you can make all the AW
laws you want, but it will be a rough road ahead trying to enforce them.
I also said that it would make for a nice little AW wide RPG. And since I'm
not into RPG's I wouldn't be joining your democracy. Not once did I say I
didn't want AW voting. The people in AW are quite capable of forming their
own opinions and choosing what they want to do. If they want this, that's up
to them. But from what I've seen in the replies to the posts, now a whole
lot of people want this. Do you ever consider the over all opinion of the
responses to your posts?

At first I thought you were confused. Then I thought you were lost and
troubled. Now I think you are a deliberate instigator. I think you post just
anything that you think will get the biggest uprising. Then you pick out
certain replies, and reply to them with what you think will get yet another
big uprising. And it continues. After this whole democracy thing dies out, I
'm wondering what nonsense you will come up with to start yet another
uprising.

free
ourselves, or we remain under the hostility of a dictatorship that torments
our citizens.<<<<

You know what? There are people in the real world who really do need to be
freed from hostility and dictatorship. There are people in the real world
who are dieing cause of these things. I really think that instead of causing
so much trouble in the virtual world by spouting off about such things in
the virtual world that it would be best if you just joined a group somewhere
that is actually trying to do some good in the real world where these things
are concerned. Try helping people who really need the help.

AW
away from your local life, why do you question my religious beliefs, read
newsgroups, or take such an interest in reading my postings?<<<<

My good time here? I am a part of this AW community and have been for a
number of years. I have helped in this community for a number of years. I
teach modeling, and animation. And I ask nothing in return. I help in
peoples world when I can. I have recently offered my assistance in another
universe to help get it up and running. And until right now, I have done
this with out asking for any kind of recognition. I do this because this is
what a community is about, the lady. It's not about getting on your soap box
and spouting off nonsense that no one really wants to hear. It's not about
standing there in the middle of every one yelling, LOOK AT ME I'M GOING TO
START A DEMOCRACY. It's about being there when you are needed, doing what
you can and moving on without asking recognition in return. It's about being
there for every one, not just for ourselves.

I just posted offering you help in any way to start your own world and to
get you started as a modeler. It was a genuine offer. What did I get in
return? A nasty reply accusing me of something I didn't do. If I were in the
market for a democracy, I would not pick one that you had anything to do
with. I didn't say it before, but I'm saying it now. I think any one who has
any thing to do with your democracy is nuts. But no one here is as nuts as
you.

You want to know why I read your posts? I read them just to see what kind of
stupidity you come up with next.

BTW if you ever decide to get a world, the offer is now off.

Have a good life you loony

Imagine

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Aug 22, 2003, 8:49pm

It was a one line reply. Check again. I've changed harddrives since that
time.

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Aug 22, 2003, 8:51pm

Shhh, The Ladys ranting. ;D She's the only person in the newsgroup that
doesn't hate everyone. She brings color to our humble little newsgroup. We
should be happy to have her. I mean, if MrBruce got his way, we'd all be
forming small factions of the newsgroup on geocities, and there just isn't
enough The Lady to go around! :( We should appreciate and poke fun at her
backwards ideas while we still have the chance! :O

-Joe

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Aug 22, 2003, 9:07pm

I will keep referring back to the issue.

AW needs to allow voting for it's citizens.
The power in place which seeks to torment and destroy the community needs to
be confronted, disbanded and left powerless forever.
AW needs to become their own independent democracy.


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Aug 22, 2003, 9:32pm

The left click, drag, mouseup and delete sequence is your friend...

- Mark

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Aug 22, 2003, 11:02pm

rofl
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Aug 22, 2003, 11:03pm

Wait, so, AWCom is disbanded... Who will run the uniserver? uh...........

-Joe

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