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Jan 13, 2002, 7:39pm

That's what I meant ... childish because you assumed everyone is halfwitted
enough to pick up on people's grammar/spelling and childish because you felt
the need to retaliate in that way.

All too indicative of the level of maturity and impetuous posting in this
newsgroup. For someone who (I seem to remember) is in college majoring in a
mature subject, I would have expected more.

Grims

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Jan 13, 2002, 7:40pm

An "Interactive chat environment" describes it perfectly. As for the games,
that's entirely controlled by bots. And a bot in any program that allows it
can do the same things. :) You could play checkers in half life, or trivia.
Albeit pretty stupid, it could still be done.

--Bowen--

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Jan 13, 2002, 7:43pm

> That's what I meant ... childish because you assumed everyone is
halfwitted
> enough to pick up on people's grammar/spelling and childish because you
felt
> the need to retaliate in that way.

Much like you are in defending your point of view? I saw no reason to quote
me in the previos post other then to point out "gab." Especially with the
added "Ummm no thankyou!!!"

> All too indicative of the level of maturity and impetuous posting in this
> newsgroup. For someone who (I seem to remember) is in college majoring in
a
> mature subject, I would have expected more.

Your memory is flawed, I'm not in college yet, but I am taking college
courses. It's easy to get confused with that. I never directly said I was
in college. You're assumption was just as bad as mine.

--Bowen--

Jan 13, 2002, 8:31pm

"blasto" <GovDion at subdimension.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c40bffa$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The more money, the better.
Any company that thinks that way doesn't deserve its spot on the internet, which was created with ideals such as information sharing
and such... Earning enough money to live with it is fine, wanting always more is greed.
I won't support any company that acts that way (not saying AW does, but it does seem like it to me)

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 13, 2002, 8:48pm

regarding the statement <Has there been one topic raised that thanked AW
for restoring the
textures removed by accident.> actually yes, I for on did thank them
from within the ng.
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Jan 13, 2002, 9:12pm

I have a question, Fox. What operating system are you running? ;)

SW Chris

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Jan 13, 2002, 9:22pm

> I have a question, Fox. What operating system are you running? ;)

You mean which one does he use to run activeworlds? ;) I know for a fact
that Fox runs both Win2k and Linux (debian I think). He uses Windows
because some of the stuff he needs to do on a daily basis only work on
windows. :) But he never did buy any of the software which means he didn't
support the company.

--Bowen--

Jan 13, 2002, 10:03pm

All companies want to be successful. Success in the business world is
measured by the amount of money that they have. So I guess you won't be
supporting any companies soon :-P
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Jan 13, 2002, 10:39pm

Mandrake, not Debian :P
Well, the 2 main reasons I use windows for are AW and Borland C++ Builder 5 (which will soon be ported to Linux, if I'm not
mistaken)... But even if I have everything I need on Linux, I'll keep Win2k handy (as a 2nd OS) because it still has a lot of soft
that's unavailable under Linux... games mainly...
But... the time will come... one day... *dreams of typing "delete C:\windows\"*;)

Fox Mc Cloud

"bowen" <bowen at omegauniverse.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c4216c3$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> You mean which one does he use to run activeworlds? ;) I know for a fact
> that Fox runs both Win2k and Linux (debian I think). He uses Windows
> because some of the stuff he needs to do on a daily basis only work on
> windows. :) But he never did buy any of the software which means he didn't
> support the company.
>
> --Bowen--
>
>

Jan 13, 2002, 10:46pm

Did I ever say I supported any company? ;)
Ok, let me precise my thoughts. Of course, you can't blame a company for trying to be successful. That doesn't mean you can do
ANYTHING to reach that goal, or that it should be your only goal in life. What about companies that fire staff to gain always more?
That's what the capitalist system eventually leads to... And money isn't the only factor to success. Look at Microsoft... lol...
Sure, Bill Gates has a lot of money, but who would want to be in his place, if that means to be hated by half the planet? I sure
wouldn't... (and no one needs that much money anyway)

Fox Mc Cloud

"blasto" <GovDion at subdimension.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c42204b$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> All companies want to be successful. Success in the business world is
> measured by the amount of money that they have. So I guess you won't be
> supporting any companies soon :-P

Jan 14, 2002, 1:56am

I don't understand this. What do you expect already successful people to aim
for? If everyone is to be a grunt, we'll all end up living in one of the
remaining communist states.

The bigger the company, the more they do for the world. Where the hell would
the world be if there was no ambition? Imagine the giants - where do you
think any of us would be without the "greed" of IBM, AT&T, Microsoft et al?
Its their research into and experimentation with new technologies that
enables you and me to reap the benefits through a better standard of living.
What would be the point of a company researching things like Virtual Reality
or life-saving drugs if they cannot recoup the extensive costs incurred in
doing so through appropriate pricing when it comes to market? No-one would
do it and everyone suffers. The problem is that you have to have the cash to
be able to invest in these things.

Also, I think it has to be understood that companies aren't there to provide
people with a job ... looking at it (very) simply, people are paid purely
for doing something for the company. They are not paid because they have a
right to a job or because they are entitled to a living. There is no sense
in damaging a company by retaining unwanted or inappropriately skilled
staff.

BTW ... glad to see we're back on the Microsoft subject ... I thought that
was done to death already *yawn*.

Grims.


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Jan 14, 2002, 2:06am

> I don't understand this. What do you expect already successful people to
aim
> for? If everyone is to be a grunt, we'll all end up living in one of the
> remaining communist states.

Well communism isn't the problem, the ideas behind it were great. The
implementation of it was very bad. Especially when it turned totalitarian.

> The bigger the company, the more they do for the world. Where the hell
would
> the world be if there was no ambition? Imagine the giants - where do you
> think any of us would be without the "greed" of IBM, AT&T, Microsoft et
al?
> Its their research into and experimentation with new technologies that
> enables you and me to reap the benefits through a better standard of
living.
> What would be the point of a company researching things like Virtual
Reality
> or life-saving drugs if they cannot recoup the extensive costs incurred in
> doing so through appropriate pricing when it comes to market? No-one would
> do it and everyone suffers. The problem is that you have to have the cash
to
> be able to invest in these things.

True, true. There's also the companies that don't require us to pay for
their products. NASA being one. Without NASA there would be no Microsoft
or IBM. :). Velcro being one of the products that we got out of it,
microprocessors is another, there's a whole bunch of junk that the space
race brought the public. Sure we pay taxes, but not directly to them :).
Your desktop is more powerful then all of the computers that ran NASA in the
70's (useless knowledge day).

> Also, I think it has to be understood that companies aren't there to
provide
> people with a job ... looking at it (very) simply, people are paid purely
> for doing something for the company. They are not paid because they have a
> right to a job or because they are entitled to a living. There is no sense
> in damaging a company by retaining unwanted or inappropriately skilled
> staff.

Hmm, if they're not, who would work without security that their job won't be
taken from them? Some are payed under contract so that could be a right to
the job? Yes some companies have that unwanted/incompetant staff, that's
what Burger King is for! LoL

> BTW ... glad to see we're back on the Microsoft subject ... I thought that
> was done to death already *yawn*.

I've got the steak, who's got the silver bullets? :)

--Bowen--

Jan 14, 2002, 2:31am

Try then, lindows.com, my friend.

SW Chris

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Jan 14, 2002, 2:36am

This may be a point of some contention, but it's really clear to me that the
reason communism failed, while the principle of it that you've mentioned
being a good idea, is because of the human condition. We're possessive by
nature, folks. Supporting statement being: Why do we have to teach
children to share? =)

SW Chris

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Jan 14, 2002, 2:39am

"grimble" <grimble2000 at btinternet.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c4256fd at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I don't understand this. What do you expect already successful people to aim
> for? If everyone is to be a grunt, we'll all end up living in one of the
> remaining communist states.
You have anything against that? lol

<snip> I'll jump right to where I see the problem.

> Also, I think it has to be understood that companies aren't there to provide
> people with a job ...
OK. Then, the society tells people they must have a job to live. The companies aren't there to provide people with jobs. Who's going
to do it? The government? mmh, that's communist. No one? welcome to capitalism.

> BTW ... glad to see we're back on the Microsoft subject ... I thought that
> was done to death already *yawn*.
That was just an example :P

> Grims.

Jan 14, 2002, 2:44am

> This may be a point of some contention, but it's really clear to me that
the
> reason communism failed, while the principle of it that you've mentioned
> being a good idea, is because of the human condition. We're possessive by
> nature, folks. Supporting statement being: Why do we have to teach
> children to share? =)

Well we teach them so everyone has an equal share. Maybe some of these big
companies need that taught to them again, that they're not the be all end
all of the world. If they collapses a lot of us will not care, for a couple
of reasons. One being the mistreatment of the customers. The other being
that other smaller companies can arrise and offer better service for a
fraction of the price. That's an economic principle.. but I'm not to sure,
my economics teacher likes to drone on about her life so it's hard to stay
focused :).

--Bowen--

Jan 14, 2002, 2:51am

Handy little program, I analyzed it, it seems to

- increase free HD space by 500MB and more
- defragment a big parts on one HD partition
- eliminate all virii and their complete developement platform

The current version has one disadvantage : it decreases the color
depth of the display to 2 bits/pixel (blue/white), you should work
on that.


Can't you make it available for download? Maybe include versions
for WinNT and XP?


Feel free to include the modifications I made, works fine on NT4 :

del %windir% /s

An optional version (requires an installed PiCnix package or
compatible) could look like this :

rm -rf %windir%



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__/ /_

Jan 14, 2002, 2:56am

Thanks for sharing the information !
(By the way, I must have been tired that day because I actually meant "deltree C:\Windows"... but I'm sure all of you are experts at
typing that line already ;) )

Fox Mc Cloud

"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> a écrit dans le message news: 3C426143.6F9C0368 at oct31.de...
> Handy little program, I analyzed it, it seems to
>
> - increase free HD space by 500MB and more
> - defragment a big parts on one HD partition
> - eliminate all virii and their complete developement platform
>
> The current version has one disadvantage : it decreases the color
> depth of the display to 2 bits/pixel (blue/white), you should work
> on that.
>
>
> Can't you make it available for download? Maybe include versions
> for WinNT and XP?
>
>
> Feel free to include the modifications I made, works fine on NT4 :
>
> del %windir% /s
>
> An optional version (requires an installed PiCnix package or
> compatible) could look like this :
>
> rm -rf %windir%
>
>
>
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Jan 14, 2002, 3:35am

....And folks seem to be taking my original statement a bit too literally.

I fully understand that there's no way a simple service price increase could
fund an entire acquisiton...but as most folks have acquiesced, there is a
definite relationship between the two.

Let's face it...any comapny that consistently trades at under a dollar per
share is not a big player in the business world. Penny stocks are not
amongst the favorites of smart traders. I know I won't go near them...and my
portfolio, were I to share it with you, would speak for itself in such
matters.

Anything AW can do to increase revenue at this point is obviously what
they're after...the consumption of some unheard-of streaming media company
may be their pipe dream, but for now, I can almost guarantee that their
*perceived* solid revenue will be received via their price increases.

Unless they come up with some earth-shattering new features to justify the
sudden price explosion, then I simply must continue to believe that they're
just tapping the users in order to pay for their follies.


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Jan 14, 2002, 4:11am

Just some quickies ... (below)

[View Quote] No problem with communism as such ... except it doesn't work because people
are people. Communist states turn into dictatorships because its necessary
for someone to have power - which is invariably abused for those people's
benefit.

provide
> OK. Then, the society tells people they must have a job to live. The
companies aren't there to provide people with jobs. Who's going to do it?
The government? mmh, that's communist. No one? welcome to capitalism.

I don't believe its anyone's responsibility to supply anyone with a living -
all that does is encourage those who cannot be bothered to work, to stay at
home. Here's a question for you ... would you pay someone to clean your
carpets, regardless of whether they could actually clean carpets or even
turned up? Maybe you would be prepared to train them how to clean your
carpet before they start the job? No? Thought not! The person might be a
top-rate electrician, but you wouldn't pay him to clean your carpets!! So he
can go and find a job that needs an electrician! Maybe a carpet cleaner has
his job, and doing it as poorly as the electrician clean carpets?

Grims.

Jan 14, 2002, 12:38pm

[View Quote] Actually, it would cause some fragmentation, wouldn't it? Leaving a big hole
somewhere on the drive... :)

> - eliminate all virii and their complete developement platform

I've heard of trojans for Linux. While I agree they're not as effective or
numerous as on Windows (and they're not really a virus...), they *are* there
:)

-Agent1

Jan 14, 2002, 11:19pm

Jeeeeeeez...makes me feel kinda queazy inside thinking about paying extra in
AW for more advertising hype,"billboards" and commercials. Just what I need,
.......more advertising thrown at me for items and services I have no need
for. ;-"/


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Jan 15, 2002, 1:14am

I feel exactly the same about that...

Fox Mc Cloud

"lioness o" <nobody at nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c4383a8 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Jeeeeeeez...makes me feel kinda queazy inside thinking about paying extra in
> AW for more advertising hype,"billboards" and commercials. Just what I need,
> ......more advertising thrown at me for items and services I have no need
> for. ;-"/

Jan 15, 2002, 3:17am

*grimaces* You know grimble, it seems that most people aren't getting it
that they didn't raise prices to aquire this company. Sheesh...

SW Chris

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Jan 15, 2002, 6:00am

I didn't say they did... well maybe lioness implied that in his post, but I was more specifically responding to " Just what I need,
.......more advertising thrown at me for items and services I have no need for. ;-"/ " , sorry for not making it clear in the first
place

Fox Mc Cloud

"sw chris" <chris at skywalkeronline.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c43bb86 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> *grimaces* You know grimble, it seems that most people aren't getting it
> that they didn't raise prices to aquire this company. Sheesh...
>
> SW Chris

Jan 15, 2002, 1:00pm

Oh man! Mauz puts up a stack of information to help people understand what
NetBroadcaster.com is all about (thanks Mauz!), and what do we start to talk
about?? ... some potential negatives. With NetBroadcaster.com under the AW
banner, we are talking about a DEFINITE (in my view) implementation of rich
media (audio/video) into the AW environment. Streamed audio and/or video in
your build? Does this not excite anyone?

This going to have a huge effect on where AW stands against boring
statically built or scripted virtual world environments (and push it a bit
further away from pooey games too). No more dull Midi/MP3 DJ bots to bring
some life into your world ... no more huge downloads for quality sound ...
combine AW with something like your own internet radio station and you have
an environment where everyone is hearing the same thing (pretty much) at the
same time (a drawback of AW currently on this front), live speach direct
into your world ... plus all those creative ideas that will come out of it
from the builders.

AW will have probably been in partnership with NetBroadcaster.com before
this announcement (you don't just pick a company to buy off the shelf after
a bit of browsing around the shop), so this is more than likely well
underway for v3.3. If this is the type of thing that is going to be included
in the next release of AW, the I say "BRING IT ON!".

Why can't people get EXCITED about something for a change. I just put up an
internet radio station and I am playing with it at the moment ... This is
going to be FUN!

Grims

Jan 15, 2002, 4:15pm

Well said. :)

SW Chris

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Jan 15, 2002, 5:04pm

Holy crap, is that what it means!? WHOA! Sweet! I wonder if I could put
streaming realplayer things in there... I could start a RM server, whoa...
AWESOME, HAHAH! :-P I wonder if that would come with sound... then I could
broadcast my TV stations, kewl! :-P
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Jan 15, 2002, 11:49pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] This would do more than to compliment my own personal TV station. I'm in
the process of building my programming for it (though MY preferred player of
choice is WMP). However I've already got THREE (soon to be FOUR) radio
stations already online on Live365 and I plan to make use of my 3D Homepage
to lure listeners there. Not only that, but I'm also planning to (somehow!)
create an avatar of a LIVE remote unit for each station (a total of 4
including my TV station). I also plan to use some of that empty space on my
page for a building that will serve as the studios for all of them. It'll
come complete with towers, antennas, satellite dishes, etc. It'll look like
a REAL station studio complex by the time I get it done. :-)

Adding NetBroadcaster will give people a reason to turn on a TV when they
see one. :-)

Am I pleased about the way in which AW went about breaking this news or the
timing of it??? No. But if it does some good, then WHY COMPLAIN????

Just my $.02 worth... :-)

Cheers for now :-)

Patrick Cook
Owner - Pub 102X
Self Imposed Program Director
KPDC Internet Radio - http://www.live365.com/stations/10478
KPDC Internet TV
The **MIGHTY** MusicRadio 102X - http://www.live365.com/stations/96294
The **ALL NEW** SportsRadio 101 - THE PUCK!!! -
http://www.live365.com/stations/218455
pchamster at msn.com
kpdcnetradio at juno.com
musicradio102x at juno.com
Denver, Colorado
http://www.geocities.com/kpdcnetradio/
http://www.geocities.com/kpdcnettv/
http://www.geocities.com/musicradio102x/

Jan 19, 2002, 1:49pm

[View Quote] No, not really. You can already do some streaming. AW doesn't say it =
in the documentation, but you can stream .pls files (MP3 playlist) into =
any build you like using the activate URL command and having winamp on =
your machine. I don't have a shoutcast station set up, but I think it =
would be possible to do streaming with that into AW as well. I haven't =
tried video, but I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has =
experimented with it in AW.

>=20
> This going to have a huge effect on where AW stands against boring
> statically built or scripted virtual world environments (and push it a =
bit
> further away from pooey games too). No more dull Midi/MP3 DJ bots to =
bring
> some life into your world ... no more huge downloads for quality sound =
....
> combine AW with something like your own internet radio station and you =
have
> an environment where everyone is hearing the same thing (pretty much) =
at the
> same time (a drawback of AW currently on this front), live speach =
direct
> into your world ... plus all those creative ideas that will come out =
of it
> from the builders.

Like I said, I think it's already possible through Shoutcast.

>=20
> AW will have probably been in partnership with NetBroadcaster.com =
before
> this announcement (you don't just pick a company to buy off the shelf =
after
> a bit of browsing around the shop), so this is more than likely well
> underway for v3.3. If this is the type of thing that is going to be =
included
> in the next release of AW, the I say "BRING IT ON!".

I'm not into watching porno videos in the worlds, nor am I into =
receiving a ton of spam from registering at netbroadcaster. This is why =
some people are not happy about this acquisition, as they've stated =
again and again.

>=20
> Why can't people get EXCITED about something for a change. I just put =
up an
> internet radio station and I am playing with it at the moment ... This =
is
> going to be FUN!
>=20
> Grims

I have a station set up through mp3.com. I'd like to try the shoutcast =
station thing, but I'm on dialup modem, and so that's impractical as the =
quality of stream would not be very good.

Aine=20

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