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Jan 6, 2002, 6:16pm

Just a thought....but last night I found out that in the past day and a half
over 400 new citizenships were started in DLP. Would they have closed down
DLP to "catch up" with all those new cits and prevent system overload???

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Jan 11, 2002, 9:54am

whew! thank goodness it wasn't me. Thought my poor non techie brain was
having an aneurysm or something. heheheh. ;-"D


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Jan 28, 2002, 9:20pm

Don't forget to add the picture of the clown. ;-"D


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Feb 6, 2002, 1:26am

Np hon ((hugz)) ;-")




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Feb 13, 2002, 9:21am

It is a nice idea to have something like this, however how will it deter
inner terrorism which has plagued the US for years??? Until recently we have
been allowed to take pretty much whatever we wanted on airplanes. Of course
that has changed drastically but there are still plenty of opportunities out
there for terrorists that we have no control over. How often do we hear of
Americans belonging to faction militant groups which are a threat to all
that we stand for?? How much good will a couple of stupid assigned numbers
be when a few people from that group play "kamakaze" and fly their American
piper airplane into the white house? Right now we use our driver's licenses
and our social security cards/numbers for ID in the states. Our SS numbers
offer a way of tracking our employment history as far as the IRS is
concerned. True not everyone has a driver's license. Not every state has a
driver's license with a photo ID. In fact not every US resident has a SS #.
Heck in the medical clinic I work in, I can't even begin to count how many
people I've registered who are illegal aliens and use a family members SS#.
They have no comprehension of why this is illegal. And I don't speak their
language to be able to explain it to them either. How many times have we
heard about people obtaining fake driver's licenses?? Is the US government
that stupid?? Don't they realize people will find a way around this too???
It's only a matter of time before someone uses somebody else's ID or a fake
one. Or possibly an illegal alien without one. Not to mention theft of these
cards/numbers like so many SS#'s have been used after people die or in the
case of ID theft. I certainly don't think this is a cure all. Sure it might
help the IRS nab some of those illegal aliens working legit jobs in the
states, but not much else. Our world is so complicated these days, I'm not
sure there ever will be a "better" way to do it. ;-")



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Feb 14, 2002, 11:46pm

The supreme court???? ROFL!!!! ;-"D


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Jan 3, 2002, 10:42pm

I never responded to a news group before but once in a great while I
actually read some. Like most of you I too am in shock over what is being
decided by the big brass of AW and not by a citizen vote, which would
normally happen in a "community". We were NOT given the choice of upgrades
and up until recently had the choice of whether or not to accept them when
logging on to AW. Like some of you out there, my puter is an older model and
I can't afford a new puter or the graphics cards to upgrade it. So every
time I HAD to upgrade AW, it messed me up more and more.
Finally in August I gave up on building. Especially since "someone" in
management thought it would be cute to play with the weather in Alphaworlds
and create night time and fog. Ever try to build in fog and the dark??????
Then a few times in Sept and Oct, AW wouldn't let me in at all for days at a
time. Now recently some "genius" redesigned AW GAte to make it more
attractive to the new folks. Ok, it's prettier. Got some giant eyeball
things in there and several VR clocks, but is it worth the lag? You can't
fly up past a certain altitude anymore to escape the lag, and shift is
disabled. Instead of concentrating on creating new and bizarre shapes for AW
gate, they should have put their imaginations to work on creating some new
objects to use in alpha world. Were we as citizens given a choice in
this???? NOOooo!!
I have to admit it is really handy to be able to access the websites of
some of the people on my contact list just by clicking on their names.
However I don't have much need for all that, especially more than one visit
to each website. Did I ask for that option?? Nooo.
The main reason I stayed a citizen in AW for almost 3 years?? For the
wonderful lifetime friends I made from all over the world. I don't have the
ambition or the time to build anymore, so most of the little time I can
spend in AW is spent in chatting with my friends and occasionally exploring.
I average about 4 hours a week if I'm lucky, chatting on AW. Some weeks I
can't devote any time to AW, though I want to. Since I don't have a social
life, my leisure hours are spent in AW. It is my means to escape stress in
RL like so many of the people there.
I don't understand why we need all these upgrades or why AW needs so
many employees. There are tons of people already in AW who have volunteered
their time and services to help in many different ways. Why is the AW
administration earning those top bucks and yet they are demanding such an
impossible figure from lower middle class people like me who only earn $8.50
an hour and have bills to pay?????? There's something not right about all
that. I feel awful for the folks living in other countries who are worse off
financially than us here in the states. I feel terrible for the disabled
folks who cannot get out and socialize like some of us, who are looking for
friends and love and can only find it in a place such as AW. There they can
walk, run, fly and do things they cannot do in real life with their
disabilities. There they can be a normal average person. The deaf can hear
there, the crippled can walk, the lonely can find love, and a child can
build castles. All that for only $20 a year is more than worth it for a 3D
chat program. Heck, I am willing to pay $60 a year for something like that.
But I cannot afford over a hundred bucks for chatting only a few hours a
week. It's not worth it to me and unfortunately not worth it to many
citizens there.
I once was a tourist for three weeks. It took me that long to figure out
if it was worth paying 20 bucks a year for certain benefits. You need to
give our tourists more than 2 weeks to decide if paying $120 bucks a year is
worth the few benefits they will recieve. Like I said earlier, do we REALLY
need the website links on our contact lists? Do we REALLY need weather
changes? Does the AW administration REALLY need to earn so much money? AW
will go down the drain if this plan goes through. People will leave in mass
droves. People will tell their friends and family NOT to go to Active Worlds
or anything owned or operated by Active Worlds, including Dreamland Park and
Cybernet Worlds. World owners will pull the plug on their worlds. People
will nuke their properties. Nobody will go to Bingo and there will be no
Bingo prizes or anyone to run the games. Nobody will want to buy universes
from Active Worlds. The mere name "Active Worlds" will have a stain upon it.
It happened to Dreamland Park only 2 years ago. They almost went under. They
are STILL trying to recoup their losses and recruit new visitors. There was
a mass immigration from Dreamland Park to AW. But that was a different
scandal. I foresee a terrible loss to AW if this is allowed to happen. How
sad. ~ TheLioness o ;-"<

Jan 4, 2002, 11:19am

I DO hope AWC reads this stuff. Your ideas are an inspiration and refreshing
to hear amid all the cussing and complaining going on right now in the
petition and inside AW. World owners,PK's and even GK's are voicing their
outrage at AWC's decision. Hmmmm....speaking of world owner's....I wonder if
there would be any gaming industry out there who would love to sponsor an
average, run of the mill, world owner who'd be interested in offering games
to the public for free while the gaming company would be willing to pay for
the world space to advertise....hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... (=o"D

Jan 6, 2002, 6:12pm

Probably cus a lot of cits have already jumped off the sinking ship and now
find themselves in other unis. From what I found out last night, there were
over 400 new citizenships started up in Dreamland Park alone. Who knows how
many more in OW or Cybernet Worlds. ;-")


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Jan 9, 2002, 10:12am

From what I understand, if your citship runs out before March 3, you can
renew now at the existing rate. There are protest groups out there. This
newsgroup is one way of protesting cus we know AWC reads the messages on
here on occasion. There is/was also a petition which was signed by nearly
2000 citizens also protesting. There have been numerous discussions and
suggestions held in AW and other AW related unis that we know folks from AWC
have been listening to. There have been hundreds if not thousands of emails
sent to AWC with suggestions and complaints. Nothing has changed yet.
Personally, I highly doubt if it will change at all. And according to the
letter, AWC has already decided on the pricing increase. AWC could have done
a lot of things to improve performance and their financial outlook, but now
its too late. You can lie low if you want hon, but as for myself and over
1000 other citizens, we're up in arms over this astronimical proposal. If
you would read most of the messages left here, you'd understand why AW is so
important to most of its citizens. Especially those who are home bound. And
you might be financially well off and don't consider a jump from 19.95 a
year to 120 bucks a year significant, but there are those of us who can't
afford that, especially when all we do in AW is sit there and chat a few
hours a week. If I was a world owner and heavily into building and bots and
bingo I wouldn't hesitate to pay what they're asking, however I am a single
mom trying to make ends meet and that much of an increase in a year affects
not only me but also my child. I'm sure most of the other citizens in AW's
unis can relate to that situation. So NO!! I am NOT going to lie low. I am
going out fighting. Even if my fighting falls on deaf ears. And I know I
won't be alone in this.


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Jan 15, 2002, 9:51am

Sue em??? Think bout this for a minute. There is no money lost here. Data
didn't pay anything. But he would have to pay court costs. Is it worth all
the stress and trouble just to get the boy's rights back??? Until somebody
could get the courts to understand what he is trying to fight for, we're
talking a very long time and a lot of money for attorney retainer fees, etc.
What it would probably boil down to in the court's eyes is something called
"creative rights" because basically that's what it is since Data needs his
rights returned so he can get his building privs back. In the court's eyes,
AW would be considered a "Bryce" type of program with a chat. The judge
might even think it would be a waste of time and paperwork to pursue
something of this nature.




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Jan 15, 2002, 8:01pm

From what I remember reading, Data CAN'T take his creations with him since
they now have Loki's name stamped all over them. That is in part, some of
what Data's complaint is. Data was, for over 2 years, one of the major
builders in DLP, building not just in some of the worlds there but helping
to create most of the landscape. He was a pivotal creator of most of what
you see in DLP today. With Loki's name stamped on most of those builds, Data
cannot do anything with those objects. He cannot move them, nor change them
in any way, (ie delete them).


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Jan 11, 2002, 3:04am

K....I am a bit confused. I made two postings to this newsgroup only a few
days ago. I wasn't rude, obnoxious, or overly critical about AWC. I didn't
cuss, throw a tantrum, or create any scandals. Yet these two postings
"poofed". One of the responses to the one comment I made was on here early
this morning when I checked to see if anyone else responded. And that was at
7 AM. I see a lot of other postings on here that border on foul language,
sound threatening, or downright repetitive, and they're still on. I'm kind
of new to posting on newsgroups...what's the deal?????

Jan 11, 2002, 3:22am

Yep I found that one hon, but not the two other threads I started. ;-"<


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Jan 12, 2002, 8:06pm

Thanks hon!!!! That's EXACTLY what it was. I feel better now knowing how
simple it was to rectify the problem, and that it wasn't someone else doing
the "deleting". (((((((((((((((hugz)))))))))) ;-"D



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Jan 14, 2002, 11:19pm

Jeeeeeeez...makes me feel kinda queazy inside thinking about paying extra in
AW for more advertising hype,"billboards" and commercials. Just what I need,
.......more advertising thrown at me for items and services I have no need
for. ;-"/


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Jan 16, 2002, 9:58am

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Do you ALWAYS drag ppl over the coals when they speak their minds? Sorry =
we're not as perfect as you hon. This IS an open forum, is it not??? =
Everyone, though repetitive is allowed to comment on whatever they like =
in the newsgroups. How dare you berate or belittle anyone on how they =
percieve things?=20

>(the only thing AW can be accused of is its 'propensity' to do 'what =
they think' is required to stay in business... >(how one feels about =
the way they'r going about it is a side issue at best...) As a 'flame =
fanner', Citizens bad->mouthing AW hardly creates a draft...)

Wrong. We as consumers are allowed to gripe,complain,raise our voices or =
whatever word or phrase you wish to choose. That's the beauty of free =
speech. Those of us who have been loyal AW citizens for a long time take =
all this personally. It hurts to think that we might not ever get the =
chance to chat with some of our online friends again. Not everyone =
enjoys "just chatting" on icq or yahoo chat rooms. Some of us who have =
created works of art in 3D don't have bots to save their builds. Its =
hard emotionally to let all that "go". I'm sure most of us have put our =
hearts and souls into AW. To allow all this to occur, without speaking =
up or showing our ire, is...
inhuman. =20
>:-"<=20
[View Quote] The actual facts be damned...=20

Here, try this next time...=20

Pick an issue that has a ring of truth to it (if this were the case =
there'd be very few Citizens left in the NGs as we'v all had shots at AW =
at one time or another...)=20

Pick better your timing to bring the issue to light... (obviously =
you'd never stoop so low as to be just 'fanning the flames' over the =
current Pricing Situation BUT some may not be as gullible as myself...)=20

Pick you'r phrases better (the only thing AW can be accused of is its =
'propensity' to do 'what they think' is required to stay in business... =
(how one feels about the way they'r going about it is a side issue at =
best...) As a 'flame fanner', Citizens bad-mouthing AW hardly creates a =
draft...)=20

If you just have to see your name in a thread, fine... but the =
community already has an issue on it's plate. (whether one agrees with =
the Price Increase or not it is (likely) something everyone is following =
closely...) For me, bad-mouthing AW is a non sequitur... Besides, most =
people over the age of 10 have a good idea what happens if they behave =
inappropriately... To then acted shocked and surprised when 'it' in fact =
happens seems rather silly... This is assuming there's any truth to your =
statement...=20

All those who have been kicked out of the NG because they don't agree =
with the Price Increase 'and are unable to read this' raise their =
hand...=20

PS... a message with 'Pro Wrestling Match' and concern for =
'insult[ing] our intelligence' creates an oxymoron...=20

[View Quote] Hey all,=20
This propensity to ban citizens with whom AW disagrees from these =
Newsgroups=20
seems desperate and sad to me. Honestly, much of this discussion =
feels as=20
artificial and contrived as any pro wrestling match.=20

If the AWC-folk have decided that they must gut AW, then they should =
just go=20
ahead and do it; nothing any of us can say will stop them anyway. I =
only=20
ask that they don't insult our intelligence by trying to make us =
believe=20
that most of us are pleased with this development.=20

jcolbert=20

Feb 6, 2002, 1:20am

well said ;-")




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Feb 8, 2002, 12:44am

Glad to see someone else besides me thinks more publicity about AW would
generate more business. I wonder perhaps if it would benefit AWC to possibly
do some kind of interview for a puter zine, or maybe write an actual article
and submit it to a widely recognized mag such as USA today, or Wall Street
Journal??? That in turn would rouse some curiosity and interest in potential
customers who very well might consider also investing in AWC. Would be a
whole lot cheaper than just placing advertisements in mags and tabloids.
Just my pennies worth. ;-"D


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Feb 16, 2002, 2:05am

How bout centaurs? cyclops? and don't forget medusa



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Feb 16, 2002, 2:06am

Griffon


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