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Feb 9, 2003, 11:33am

I have to agree.

This is the worst decline I have seen in my six or seven years in
Activeworlds, even when charges were first introduced it wasnt this bad -
and a hell of a lot of people left when they started charging money for the
program (even $20 a year). Only the very hardcore and dedicated remained -
trust me, if all those people had of stayed the community would be huge....

....but this is worse, much, much worse. AW GZ is most oftent han not now, a
virtual ghost town - most people go to AWten GZ or even the GATE to chat to
people, because there is more likelihood of people being there than at AW
GZ...it used to be, that on weekends, there would be upwards of fifty people
in AW GZ at any one time..now your lucky if there are even TEN.

The monthly rate is the definate cause of this. There is jsut not enough in
the worlds to give people satisfaction of paying $7 a month. They can go to
other online gaming communities for only a little more than that, and garner
a huge amount more satisfaction than here. They are still developing AW,
yes, but I jsut dont believe it is being done fast enough. If, they had of
spent all the money that they had a few years ago on actually getting a
large group of programmers together, not jsut two or three at once max, then
they could be seeing a larger statisitcal mass of users now - instead, they
went the whole "business" route instead of the more "recreation route" and
they lost out. I thin that they chose too late to go the "recreation route",
much, much too late.

In al honesty, I only go into AW now to see if anyone is on. I can count the
number of "new" citizens I have met in the past few motnhs on one hand. It
used to be that I would continually meet new people, every day, and have new
things to do all the time.

I'm afraid that the whole monthly payment thing hasnt worked out. In doing a
monthly payment, they didnt have enough new eatures to justify the huge
price increase, and thus people ahve now turned away. And yes, the
gradiation is now being seen - those whose 1 year memberships have now
expired are not renewing like AW had hoped, and I thinkt hat even they are
probably starting now to realise just what a negative impact that has had.

There are also much fewere universe sales these days as compared to not so
long ago.

Yes, the community is in a very big decline, a decline that has been talked
about for years, but is now actually coming to pass. Those of us who have
been arouind a logn time can see it, and know it, those who are new are jsut
used to the fact that there are not that many people around. People will
keep coming to AW, but unless things change drastically again, then the
community will never gain the loft heights that it once attained. Instead of
growing, the memberships are shrinking, and as memberships are a fair
portion of the companies income (not as much as universes, but they are also
declining I presume) then they are goign to ahve to actually TAKE that
drastic action.

What they need, is a new tier - and it was something that I suggested so
many times when I was working there. Originaly the plan was to have
citizens, and then a Premium citizenship on top of that - the premium would
probably have been the monthly fee, but with special bonuses - 3D homepages,
access to special options and special features, access to the NewAW building
world. They may even stillb e planning to do this, but I wouldnt ahve the
foggiest. Reduce actual citizenships back to a yearly fee of even $15 and
year, implement a third tier structure with special functions at a monthly
rate. People WILL pay it, because there are enough of a hard-core user base
that would go for that option. At the same time, plain citizenship fees
would be reduced by hundreds of percentiles, even loer than originally, and
believe me, you would see such a large influx of users coming back.

That would be my solution, and it isnt even all THAT drastic. You reduce
normal citizenships, adda premium level....and watch everyone stream in. I
can see only this as the one hope they have of getting the user base back.

We will wait and see. I think that this year, will show us what they want -
a ghost town of a community, or a real one.

Heres a case in point - the old timers who are here, will remember
Yellowstone. Once upon a time, at most parts of the day,t here would be a
community of at least ten people int here, then up in the thirties in peak
times. Now, its is a ghost town, I dont even think anyone hangs out inth ere
anymore - it is, in effect, a utterly dead community.

One needs only to look at the yellowstone community example to see that
something has gone drastically, and completely, wrong.

Facter.


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Feb 3, 2001, 8:07pm

[View Quote] Actually, I was supposed to of added it the other day - I just got caught up
in a few other things and actually forgot - my bad, I do slip up
occasionally - it'll be up first thing Monday.

F.

>
> What I want to know is why last year's AWLD news isn't available on Excite
or Yahoo...
>
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Feb 4, 2001, 3:10am

You mean the one thats three years old ? Sure.

Actually, I'm also responsible for the one that I am designing now, with a
full database backend and a fully stream-lined interface, with online
webpage based bots, objects & bot/programs databases also hopefully playing
a big part in it - It will, incidentally, be based on a coprorate cut down
feel, without heavy graphics.

But yes, I am responsible for keeping the current website up to date, which
unfortunatly I slipped up on this week. These things happen, I already said
that.

Take care.

F.

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Feb 6, 2001, 7:13pm

Well,

Actually the problem has nothing to do with us - there was a bad switch at
the host site , its in the process of being fixed, and it should be back up
very soon - if it isnt already. Unfortunatly, they had another hardware
problem, something of which we can only say we apologise for their problems.

Eep, you really need to know what you are talking about before you go off
like that. Hostility towards me is very un-necessary. Also, the newgroups
are on a completely un-related server to the rest of the AW universe, they
are not even located in the same physical area - it was down for about two
or three hours while we did some work on it - and, come on, its only a
newsgroup. I wasnt "fu*$ing" with anything - it was actually being fixed - I
also explained all of this to you in an email and on the actual webpages -
would you prefer I *fixed* the newsgroups, or would you prefer the problem
to of gotten worse and had no newsgroups for an even longer amount of time,
if at all (due to the nature of the problem)? I believe I did my job well,
as I usually do, and I also admit when I make mistakes. People were informed
that the newsgroups were going down via our webpages, which is the standard
way we inform our users of any kind of network outages - there is no other
efficient way of doing so than that.

I myself prefered to fix them, thus allowing everyone to actually be able to
use them - I am sorry if you dont feel the same and would of prefered for
the newsgroups to of been damaged - and, if taking them down for a short
amount of time to fix them is wrong, well, then I am guilty of making
something work better.

I reply to you out of courtesy, and you should try to do the same - because
it is actually my choice to reply to you or not. In this case, you do not
know the facts so I am kindly pointing them out to you - but, if you wish to
also be dealt with respect by myself, then you will yourself show a little
respect in return. I do not ask you to like myself, or the company, but I do
expect to be treated with respect and dignity for the help that I give to
you, and to other members of Activeworlds. The newsgroups are provided for
AW users to post, but as AW Support, I am under no obligation whatsoever to
reply to anything in here, as it is our company policy that all support is
to be handled in email for tracking purposes. I have been posting in this
newsgroups as a citizen since well before you yourself turned up in here
anyways, so I actually enjoy posting here and helping people out with a
little extra information here and there. But, again, I am under *no*
obligation to do so whatsoever.

If there is no mutual respect, then there will be no further correspondance
between yourself and I.

I may even stop posting in these newsgroups (sorry everyone else) - As I
said, I do so out of a wish to help and assist users of the Activeworlds
software in my personal time (time posting in here is done in my breaks, and
is not a part of my normal work practice nor is ever considered such), not
to be disrespected in such a manner as yours.

This is my last say on this matter, and further discussion will not be
entered into.

Sincerly
Fletcher Andersen
aka Facter
AW Support.


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Feb 6, 2001, 9:05pm

Thats why I do post in here every so often - as I said, I have posted in
here since these newsgroups first existed back on Russ's servers, and I do
know the value of posting in here - but, I wont put up with disrespect, or
slander or anything else such as that - I never have when I posted in here
as a citizen, and I shant now.

So, any posts in here can be construed as courtesy posts - as long as the
courtesy is maintained on both sides then I shall do so, but if it is not,
then as I said, there is no obligation for me to continue to do so.

If I do post in here, there usually wont be many follow up's - because I do
not believe in flame wars and ther eis no way I will engage in them (been
there, done that!) - also, alot of the time I post in here will be my
personal opinion, and not the opinion of the company - whereas it does
reflect the opinion of the company I will usually use the words "we" instead
of "I" - but, I also will not be involved nor answer questions on company
policy or any such things as that - it is not my department and I have no
way to answer anything like that, nor can I answer anything to do with
beta's or software enhancements or anything to do with programming =)

I'm a techie and a web developer, and thats where I can help, with
technical/web matters - anything else, and I'm afraid you'll need to ask
someone else =)

And, I will usually comment in here by just joining into a conversation - if
you guys have specific questions - please email them to
support at activeworlds.com - thats me, you know =P

I do read these newsgroups every day, so know that what is said in here *is*
noticed =)

Facter.

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Feb 7, 2001, 12:01am

*yawn*

F.


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Feb 7, 2001, 10:49pm

Not really the answer to the situation, I prefer at this point to try and
come to a rational agreement on mutual respect.

F.

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Feb 7, 2001, 11:00pm

[View Quote] You have to realise, that the guys run the company - can you just call up
Bill Gates or Jobsy and start whining about windows and the mac os ? They do
care - which is why they *employ* people like myself and the rest of the
staff, to help them and the company/community with that kind of thing. It's
no different, to *any* other company out there - and I have worked at
*alot* - my bosses are so much more accessable than some of the other places
I have worked at, and, they also put in *alot* of hours work.

You want to know what its like at AWCI ? Sure....

I get to work at about 8:30, and go through the morning til bout 10:30 doing
support emails (on mondays and other times) - woah, there are usually alot
of them, and I get asked everything from "how do I connect to the internet "
to "what is the static version for the AW world server and how is it
different to the others".

After that, I then usually go to work on the various projects I
have....fixing someone's in the offices machine, going through logs, fixing
up database's, troubleshooting server problems, installing
worlds/universes/etc, helping out citizens, giving a hand to projects that
dedicated citizens work on in AW (I am currently helping the AWQoP people
work up a demo of what they are doing - now that project is going to be very
cool)...I usually do that til about 1, which is when we have our lunch...at
lunch time, we engage in Delta Force: Land Warrior activities like any other
sane office workers =)

In the afternoons? I continue working on projects..but its also the time
when I best love doing web work - my support is usually clear (tip - if you
mail support int he afternoon, *usually* you geta bout a half hour turn
around max - damn I just gave it away) and if I dont have too many other
projects I can get stuck into it..which is how I will be workinga lot in the
next few weeks...

We have meetings, like any other company, where everyone gets a say and
voices their opinions....its really..well, jsut like a company - I still
havnt seen any fire pits and chain irons like the hell it is sometimes made
out to be by cits =)

I really enjoy it - the people are great, the work is challenging, and also
fun at the same time, plus, I love what I do....

So thats what goes on at AWCI =)

F.

Feb 8, 2001, 12:21am

[View Quote] Who do you know in AWCI personally to make those judgements anyways?

People cannot make such judgements without even knowing someone can they?
I'm letting you get to know me - then if you still think I'm an asshole,
then thats your perogative and I wont say anything else on the matter - but
calling people assholes and money grubbers etc, without even knowing them,
thats a little silly dont ya think ?

=)

F.

Feb 8, 2001, 5:19am

Eep - I have no more to say to you, I shant be replying to any of your posts
in here from this point onwards - if I decide that you are warranted to even
remain in these groups for any longer amount of time - and, if I see that
any of your post are in any way offensive to me, or anyone else in here,
then action will be taken against you.

I am *very*, very offended by your derogatory remarks. You have personally
and publicly attacked myself with remarks that are rude, offensive,
derogatory and spiteful, and if you were *any* kind of decent person, you
would apologise immediately.

I help people because I enjoy doing it - why do you tihnk people become
police officers, or doctors, or nurses - because they have emotional
problems? They do it because some people are happy, helpful individuals who
have a lot of love and giving to provide - perhaps this whole idea is alien
to you Eep

You have *no* right to sit there and tell me to go and see a shrink - you
stepped over a line Eep. No, you jumped over a line. I gave you plenty of
opportunity to conduct yourself with respect and dignity - and this is what
you do and how you respond ? After this, your opinion's and "ideas" means
absolutley squat to me.

How dare you insinuate that kind of thing against me or anyone else, in any
way ?

You just have no idea where not to cross the line do you?

You are hereby notified that if you engage in any more derogatory,
offensive, or slanderous remarks within these newsgroups, that you will be
blocked and prevented from posting herein for the forseeable future.

Fletcher Andersen
AW Support.

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Feb 8, 2001, 5:26am

To the group -

The posting was disabled because I was working on the server, and did not
want anything being posted until I could fix the problem I was working on.
It was down for approximately four hours or so, and it was a minor
disruption. The problem was fixed (which was a problem with our customised
newsgroup software).

There is no conspiracry, I just didnt see the need to explain things in such
down to down detail when there was no reason to - nobody else was concerned
about the issue except Eep, who emailed me right after I brought the groups
down.

And Eep, this is the first, and last, explaination for *anything* _you_
will ever recieve from me in this newsgroup.

F.

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Feb 9, 2001, 4:29am

I told oyu exactly what was up with the newsgroups Eep - STOP making it out
to be that I was concealing information - they were taken down for
maintenance, how *many* times must that be said ?

I said that straight away, when it happened, I say it now.

F.

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Feb 7, 2001, 10:46pm

There will be an integated community section on the same site - yep, already
totally on the list.

Some of my wants for it are a full object DB (with the release of all the
building objects from Mars, atlantis etc included in there) - in conjunction
with what already exists at object 'd activeworlds, a bot and program/tool
repository (which users can submit to - this may be a hard one, as we may
need to fix up the licensing for the sdk, as well as inspect code for user
created bots first - security is very important to us), integrated news
section, so that when things *do* happen around the company, the community
knows about it a little better....that kind of thing - I will be speaking to
allt he people involved int he community pages, and asking their assistance
in the whoe project - that side of the site will rely heavily on the help of
those that are currently involved with that area - it shouldnt be too ahrd
though, I can set up different permissions for people to do different things
on the new site. Also,a "place" registry would be nice...

Alot of stuff, also, is goign to go into it, like webpage-bots for different
types of admin, and that kind of thing...its a huge, huge project - I dont
know when it will be completed..but I want to get as much done as quickly as
possible - because of the way it is going to be designed, it will be so much
easier to add to than the current site.

Oh, and yes, there *will* be stylesheets =)

F.

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Feb 7, 2001, 10:47pm

[View Quote] Read the last tech talk logs, I believe an idea in that kind of regards was
spoken about in there...not sure when it would happen..but..

F.

>
> --
> J B E L L
> http://platinum.awjbell.com
> G O I N G P L A T I N U M
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Feb 8, 2001, 5:00am

[View Quote] Stranger and stranger - I actually jsut set up an experimental stream of
exactly that on Monday =)

Worked out well..though, i need to refine the whole thing ...

I am *definately* on the right track here =)

F.

>
> Poseidon
>
>

Feb 8, 2001, 10:14pm

Again - that is not freedom of speech, in my eyes, it is interpreted as
slander, defamation and abuse.

There is a newsgroup charter, he has broken it - the vote is cast, and, as a
community, I have done something totally new and given the decision up to
*all of you*.

No one here else has *ever* let you guys decide this kind of stuff for
yourselves - I dont know why it is not seen in the manner as it is
intended - as a democratic, representational way of dealing with a matter
that just has no other good solution.

End of...

F.
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:14pm

Okay, no problems whatsoever - my vote will not be counted.

I want this to be fair.

F.


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Feb 8, 2001, 10:27pm

[View Quote] Wherther I stay or not is not an issue, this has nothing to do with me, and
I do not want people to make a "choice".

This vote is based purely on his conduct in here, not a "you go, I stay"
thing - I am sorry that this was not made more clear, and apologise if that
if what anyone thought.

I should of been more clear on that, in light of my previous post earlier -
afterwards, I do still exercise my choice to post in here or not.

Apologies for the confusion.

Facter.


>
> also, shouldnt you have waited for eep to make a response? I havent seen
a
> post from him since the decision of the vote...
>
> anyway,
>
> 302202- stay
>
> -Myrth
>
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:31pm

[View Quote] Umm, i cant see how - I have no problem if Eep wins this vote, which I have
also told him personally - but at least this way, everyone gets a say....

There is nothing wrong with letting everyone have their say - alot of you
guys always complain, that when AWCI does something,t hey just go ahead and
do it - and it makes things worse, now, when I step forward and let you guys
have the choice - you complain about it jstu as much...I am sorry if I do
not understand - there jsut seems absolutly no pleasing anyone in this
community...

Anyways, as I said - if the vote goes in Eeps favor,t hen I have no problem
with that.

It is the *communities* decision.

F.

> --
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> This little spot is dedicated to my girl, Jessie.
> She paints her nails, and she dont know, he's got her best friend on the
> phone,
> She'll wash her hair, his dirty clothes, for all he gives to her. And he's
> got posters on the wall
> Of all the girls he wish she was, and he means everything to her. Her
> boyfriend, he dont know,
> Anything, about her... She's just the flavor of the week.
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> bathgate at prodigy.net
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Feb 8, 2001, 10:36pm

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Of course, I could ban him in a second - but, I am not that kind of eprson,a
s anyone who has had anything to do with me in the apst five years I have
beena citizen of AW knows.

Because I give a damn about the community, and instead of making this a
matter of me jstu flicking the switch (which I am well authorized to do) I
have decided to let everyone have their say, and for the first time in the
history of awci owned Activeworlds, let the community have a vote on an
issue that should, by all right, jsut be decided by the company.

That, is why - because I want the community more involved in processes like
this, and wanting the communities participation in matters of community
dsicontent, then go ahead and flame me.

It is obviously an issue, with the amount of people voting to remove him
from this group, so that decision is allowed to be made by all of you.

F.

Feb 8, 2001, 11:14pm

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Wrong - I just wanted an apology - it was very simple. Your other opinions
"oh, me big dragon hunter" - what tripe Eep. I dont care about power, I care
about the community - if I didnt, this wouldnt even be up for vote, I would
of jsut said "Eep is now banned" and that would be the end of the story,
and, it would of been *alot* easier than organising a vote for the
community.

I dont want you to suck up to me, I dont even want you to *talk* to me.

You do not understand the need to want to do things for the community,
because you yourself hardly even care about it. Just because you dont, does
not mean that others dont - and my heart is at least int he right place,
even if this may not of been the correct course of action - who are you to
judge anyone when it comes to that?

Get *over* it. I have no secret illuminati agenda, I have always been *very*
honest with the whole community - always. I dont need approval from my
"Bosses", I dont need approval from you, or the gnomes of Zurich - the only
person I need approval from, is myself, and *I* approve of what I am doing,
because I know my heart is in the right place - and that it is with the
community, like it always *has* been.


F.


>
user
the
himself
Eep's
interaction,
Votes
hours
with no
will
use
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>

Feb 9, 2001, 12:30am

Umm, hello, if that was part of it - it would of been int he voting post
that I put up.

I said, that I will no post in here, and, at this point , that is not
actually determined - but that, has nothing to do with this vote...

You have no grip on logic.

F.
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Feb 9, 2001, 12:33am

Perhaps then the newsgroups should be shut down altogether ?

It seems that my efforts to do something here, something involving the whole
community, and my efforts to bring some kind of productive environment here
are worthless to many.

Why even have the newsgroups in the first place, then ?

F.

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Feb 9, 2001, 4:03am

What, and *IM* not trying to help with these things also Casay ???\

*sigh*

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Feb 9, 2001, 4:06am

> Then perhaps you shouldn't. You try too hard, Facter. Don't be such an
asskisser. Let the "community" regulate itself. AWCI tried moderation before
and it didn't work. Perhaps if you knew your AW newsgroup history better
you'd've realized that before ever thinking about attempting to ban me. You
made a mistake and are now simply trying to brush it off (something you seem
to be getting better at) onto the newsgroup posters, when most, if not all,
don't give a shit whether I stay or go, or your little power trip and low
self-esteem.

My AW newgroup history ? I was posting in here, ona very frequent basis,
before you had even HEARD of AW Eep.

Incorrect - YOU made the mistake Eep - you, and you only. This situation
would *not* exist if you were any kind of rational, tolerable and decent
person, with respect for tohers. How easily you twist things around to your
own wants.

One can only try - I tried and failed - too bad.

F.

Feb 9, 2001, 4:10am

[View Quote] Incorrect AGAIN. You have *no* idea what you are talking about - this issue
has been discussed in the office, *with* my superiors, and with full
permission to try and remedy the situation - it was decided to give the
*users* a chance to show that they themselves can make a decision - this has
failed.

Do *not* speak on that, which you have no idea Eep, it does not become you.

F.

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Feb 9, 2001, 12:26am

hahahahaha

nice one ! =)

F.


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Feb 9, 2001, 5:01am

Eep could be suspended from this group, for a very simple reason - he broke
the newsgroup charter, he abuses his priviledge and he is an insulting,
faececious individual. I nor the company needed to even consult any of you -
but, I had respect for all of you.

Something had to be shown to Eep, so that he would realise the impact that
his insulting nature has had on this community - did you all want me to
stand back and go "yes eep, no eep, three bags full eep" ? Looking at it
now, just banning him would of been the best solution out of anything.

But it seems that the hope, that we could place a simple decision in the
hands of our users, has turned into something that I myself am disgusted in.
You all see now, why AWCI has really had user votes - and why when things
have been done, they are done in an administration manner - look at the mess
this whole situation has created - and you guys out there, all wonder why
the management at AWCI keeps a distance from these newsgroups.

Well, now you all know dont you ?

Now perhaps you realise exactly how divided, how bickering and how very
small our community really is. Its up to you people to fix it. I believed
that by giving you guys something that you *Always* asked for - democratic
processes, that this would help. By being completely open about the matter,
I allowed something totally different to be done - I approached the
situation with honesty and with the genuine intent to try and help a
situation which in my opinion was jsut going way too far.

I gave my opinions, I tried to engage the community in a rational decision.
I wished merely to assist you all, without being the brunt of abuse,
derogatory remarks and slander from a certain individual.

Please let me show you, first, before I go any further, the kind of person
that some of you are defending so much.

These are quoted insults he has used, mostly against me in the past day or
two - "power hungry", "shoving it off to the community", "ties too hard",
"power tripping", "low self esteem","You're such a fucking twit, "YOU, idiot
twitfuck moron pissant, have no grip on logic","Now evolve ","hypocrit,
(spelling Eep, again),"pathetic","Sure, one word: bullshit. "fucking with
the newsgroups","bullshit statements","bullshit artist","fucking
clone.","Because you have no life?","...a trip to a shrink might help.",".
Better lay off them drugs","superchamp wonder twinkie-zippy.
","Facter is weak since he can't handle the truth.","fucking full of
yourself","Only after continually insulting him" (he admits to continually
insulting people for his own pleasure),".

Some of you are DEFENDING this kind of person ? *shakes his head* - then
this community, had already gone to hell in a handbasket well before I tried
to help matters. How anyone can defend someone for that kind of behaviour is
beyond me. as an intelligent, caring and decent person I can find *no* way
in myself to see how any could possibly defend such.

Rick, JP and indeed the whole office is aware of this situation. Rick and JP
were spoken to before I even instigated the vote, or contemplated any
"Bannings". It was a general agreement, to try and involve the community in
some decision making, and to try and instill some kind of trust in allowing
a democratic process to be allowed on matters of discipline in this
newsgroup. I had the full support of my superiors, and indeed thought that
by trying to give the community something like this, a decision like this,
that it may go some way towards helping the rift that seems to be between
portions of the community and management.

It was tried, and it the process has failed.

From now, there will be no more technical support from myself in these
newsgroups. All support will now be done via email and no correspondance
between myself will be entered into in these newsgroups. Eep is welcome to
remain, but there will be moderation on posts if they are found to be of a
derogatory, insulting or offensive nature. If he _pushes_ the matter, and
merely continues to heap into this group posts of an insulting nature to
others including myself, then he will be banned, with no consultation or
appeal entered into.

On a personal note, I must say that my first foray into trying to help the
AW community in my capacity as a employee of AWCI, it has left a very bad
taste in my mouth. Instead of seeing potential, instead of seeing that I
could indeed help, instead of being polite, and courteous and respectful
towards me, Eep has attacked for no , insulted, provoked, defamed and made
mockery in his words of my professional manner.

On the matter of the newsgroup downtime, the downage was fully explained
explained on the outset (I even posted about it on the network status page,
and they were down for four hours, and the only persont hat noticed was you,
Eep) - do NOT twist that into something it is not Eep - my explaination was
a fully good one, and merely lacked down to the bare level details such as
"defraging harddrive, scandisk and a check of files - i mean, geez - "I took
down the server for maintenance" covers ALL of those things, which are some
of the things that were done on that morning.

I will no longer be posting to these newsgroups. There will be no more
"votes" in these newsgroups, and as I stated before, there will be
moderation of offensive posts, and Eep will especially be looked at.
Obviously, there is a large portion of people here who, for some reason,
wish he remains (they may not even be a majority) but for whatever reason,
he may do so - on conditions, and if those conditions are not met, thent he
matter will be dealt with in accordance to charter guidelines. All users of
this newsgroup, are to be aware of the charter, and Eep is not singled out
here, these standards apply to all who we give the priviledge of using these
groups.

But, myself, as AW Technical Support - have wiped my hands of this group,
and will not be utilising them again for information or advice - support may
be found at support at activeworlds.com

For those of you that know me, you know that what occured here occured in
good faith, or good heart, and good intent. Unfortunatly, it has soured me
of doing anything of this nature again - I have tried for years, since
coming to AW in 1996, to try and help the community. I have been a GK, a PK,
an outspoken advocate against harsh tactics in many different forms. I
continue to now be outspoken against harsh PK tactics, abuses of individuals
in the worlds (do you know how many people I help when they have been
harrassed?) and doing all manner of things to assist this community - most
of which is done in my *own* time, of my own violition, of my own *want* to
give back everything that I have got from this place. When I applied to work
here at AW, I am sure that one of the reasons I was chosen for the job was
due to the fact that I *was* outspoken on these issues, and would help to
bring some new ideas on how to relate tot he community. Having been a GK,
and a PK, and not being able to help in the manner I really wanted, seeing
the job was a godsend. In the year previously, I had logged into AW about
ten times total - I kept coming back, instead of giving up on it - the job
was a godsend and an opportunity to give back to the community.

I do not need to be judged, I do not need to be insulted, when I have merely
wished to help, assist and give new ideas and initiative to the community.
And especially, I do not need to be ground into the dirt by one individual
who has a severe lack of social adequacy.

I do not think that you need to wonder why now I have no wish to be a part
of these groups.

As stated - Eep is welcome to remain. Any derogatory posts from him or any
others will be deleted, continuous insults and derogatory remarks from any
user, including Eep, will result in the user's priviledges in these
newsgroup being revoked.

Enjoy your newsgroups.



Fletcher Andersen
AW Tech Support.

Feb 9, 2001, 10:59am

> No, facter, the newsgroups are AW's. Take your responsibility. Make AWCI
> care.


I will not speak for the company here - but, on a personal level, I took my
time out to post in here - I was abused, and harrassed - I did what I
thought was right, and it turns out that it wasnt.

If I screwed up, I apologise, but everyone tries their best.

I may look like an "enemy" to everyone now, frankly, that is fine. I know in
*my* heart, that I did my best to try and fix a situation.

Frankly, if anyone is going to be disappointed, be disappointed in my
person, not the company - I am only human, and even humans are often doomed
to fail when trying to help.

Such as it is.

F.

Feb 9, 2001, 11:13am

Perhaps Agent, you should look at the real reason why this whole mess
started in the first place, instead of heaping that rhetorical onto me. Why
not look at the comments aginst Eep, the ones where people say they are
afraid to post in here, the ones where people are sick and tired of his bs ?

As again I will state, posting in here was something I wanted to do to help
out - it was not an order, nor was I told to do it. I did it because I felt
like it would help things - your attitude towards me, and what I tried to do
in here, only re-inforces the fact that one person can only try, and if they
are not appreciated for their efforts, then it is time to stop.

Again, beyond this thread, I will not be posting in here any more - perhaps
someone else will step up to try another community effort in here, but for
now, I am going to stay within my job criteria - and that does not include
offering support in these newsgroups. My community efforts will go towards
the new website, and helping out citizens in-world if needs be.

And, I never said I was not assuming responsibility, to any of you - I am
responsible for this, so therefore I am dealing with it. Do you think I am
going to enjoy stopping posting ina newsgroup I have posted to for five
years? since well before amny of you even joined AW. No, I am responsible,
but the blame does not lay souly at my feet - Eep is jsut as much to blame
for this whole mess as I am. If you were truely going to be fair about this
situation, you would all also acknowledge that.

> I'm not quite sure what this is going to cause me to do, but do realize
that there will be repercussions.

I think perhaps, you should speak to me on this matter personally. Frankly,
I do not like veiled threats against my person in a public newsgroup.

You, have lost my respect in making that threat - but I guess seeing as I
have none now for a vast majority of users in this NG, it makes us square.

Good day.

Facter.

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