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Oh dear - another release that will be very bad for AW...

Dec 11, 2002, 8:09pm
Oh come now, the graphics engine for the Sims Online is hardly anything
spectacular...that kind of negates a fair amount of your argument here....

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Oh dear - another release that will be very bad for AW...

Dec 11, 2002, 8:15pm
>
> This debate comes up every three months, and the same conclusion is
reached
> every time: AW is done; it's going down the tube; everything's over. But
AW
> somehow continues to hold on, and juding by the number of people in the
> Universe these days, it seems as if there's been an upswing in citizenship
> purchases. In short, AW's been around for longer than most IT companies -
> they must be doing something right (except for releasing 3.4, that is).


Brant, no offence, but I've been around the traps a fair amount more than
you, and I have directly been involved in AW - I never said anything to the
effect of "AW is going down the tube" - as long as it is in part owned by
Rick, then the software wont ever go anywhere - and we'll all be able to use
it, I dont think that this is something he would ever give up on, no matter
what form it may take...

That wasnt the point of my comments, all of you assumed that I meant "Oh, AW
is going down because a new peice of software has come out" - if I could
tell you, the amount of times, in the past seven years of this software,
that another potential peice of software that *resembled* awa came out and
people said that...well, I wouldnt have time to do so. My *point* was that
there is software now coming out that is doing all the things that AW does -
and it looks like it may start doing it *better*

This has never happened before - never before, has there been a peice of
software that did everything that AW does, but does some amount of *what* it
does *better*.....

THAT was the point......I think its interesting to look at, because nothing
has ever come close to being anywhere near to AW in terms of what it does -
but now some pieces of software are climbing into the niche. I remember
talking to Rick about this in the office once, and he was actually *glad*
that there were more pieces of software climbing into the niche - which I
agreed with him partially on, BUT for the fact that AW has the *lead* in
these things....but not for long. Not for long at all, and that lead may
already be only a nose away now.....

Oh, its good being back...bwahahahaha.

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Oh dear - another release that will be very bad for AW...

Dec 11, 2002, 8:16pm
[View Quote] You live in Libya? Whats it like?

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Oh dear - another release that will be very bad for AW...

Dec 13, 2002, 12:48pm
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Very true :)

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Protest - where is AWNEWS

Dec 11, 2002, 8:16pm
Goober?

Wheres the damn site then?

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Protest - where is AWNEWS

Dec 13, 2002, 12:28pm
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Terrible URL..what happened to the .org or .info website?

Needs to be a domain...buried so far away is not good...

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Protest - where is AWNEWS

Dec 13, 2002, 12:34pm
Goobs

I'm not a full PHP developer, but I am a webmaster and have worked ont he
webs for years now...if you need *any* help at all with it, then just let me
know what is needed - you need a PHP developer? Then ask around, I'm sure
amongst all of us we can find one for you...you want a reporter? I aint got
nothing else to do lately, and I know AW like the back of my hand
(literally)..

....no need to get agro. You do a good job on something, then expect people
to be sad when its not around anymore. You create a site that people love,
and read as often as it is updated, and when it disappears you be prepared
to get gripes and groans.

Thats the whole point here a lot of us lvoe the site, and appreciate all the
effort that goes into it...why are you giving up so easily? Yes, two
years....so what? You did it because you loved it, and in that two years you
got so much praise its not funny - you dont love it anymore, then fine, give
it to someone else....

Take a pill bro... there are people willign to help, if you let em and make
some noise about it...I had no diea what had happened to it, thats why I
asked :)

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Protest - where is AWNEWS

Dec 13, 2002, 12:37pm
> AWNews is not running PHPNuke, it's running PostNuke (a fork of PHPNuke),
> so PHPNuke upgrades won't help much. The problem is that the DB is
> completely messed up, and not like the PostNuke upgrading script expected
> it to be, so the DB upgrade went down the drain. I tried rewriting the
> upgrade script but this didn't help much, as the databases were too
> different. I was going to figure out how to convert the old database to
the
> new one, but since I'm a lazy bugger with little time on my hands as well,
> it hasn't happened (Joeman doesn't seem to have had time either).
>
> Maybe I'd work if Goober hired a team of weirdoes to bug me all the time
> ;-))


He doesnt need to hire them, Im here - update the fukin database already!!!
hahahaha

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Second Life? What happened to the First one?

Dec 13, 2002, 12:41pm
[View Quote] Was wondering what you would think of that post :)

I think i'll agree with you..its like everyone else that has come out of the
woodwork with a "killer 3D app" - none of them have really made any sort of
presence, and as I said, for as long as I know you have something to do with
AW it'll never get sold off for scrap or anything :)

You did you try the SimOnline beta? I could never get mien to patch
properly....I am going on hearsay really - it does look interesting though,
you must admit...perhaps when it is out of beta it will be better, who
knows...

Hang on a second, are Linden the same guys that we first heard about two
years ago? *smacks head*...why do I always fail to make connections like
that.

But again, we'll see...vapour trail or not :)

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Second Life? What happened to the First one?

Dec 13, 2002, 12:50pm
Ahem..hay Andras, i order to get the disclaimer for the beta, dont you have
to be a beta tester?

Ummmmmmm hehehe..//also, i think he was talkign about The Sims :)

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Merry Christmas to all aw

Dec 13, 2002, 4:48pm
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Am I the only person in the world who thinks that Christmas is merely a
corporately hyped pile of bullshite?

hahahaha

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More on Linden - thanks MacB

Dec 14, 2002, 3:15pm
Was emailed this today, and I found it a great look at more of the Linden
initiative for anyone who is interested - thanks Mac.




Interesting thread. I think if ENZO signed on as a closed beta tester
he would be in more trouble than simply disclosing his participation.
Isn't industrial espionage illegal?

Anyway, we published a short article on Linden (Now Second Life) a few
months ago, with permission. For anyone that is actually interested (as
opposed to FUDing in an AW only newsgroup). Here is the link:

http://www.3dvrweb.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2

and another here:

http://www.3dvrweb.com/modules/mylinks/singlelink.php?lid=306

They have info on their web page about what the product plans are and
when it is expected for public release, not nearly the long secretive
process alluded to in the earlier posts. Steller was also quoted in a
lengthy Wall Street Journal article done several months ago,... here is
a Linden press release page that has the link. It's a metered link or
something so posting the link directly might not work.

http://lindenlab.com/news_1.php

Another product that is comming along nicely is:

http://www.3dvrweb.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=117

And there is yet another one that we are not at liberty to even give out
a link for just yet. And finally, there is Adobe Atmosphere, which is
overlooked by anyone obsessed with in-world building, but which in all
other respects produces far more realistic 3D scenes than is possible
with AW. (and is free) (and has quite a community of former AW users
already). They plan to add in-world builting at some point too.

I think as these products emerge there will be no confusion about them
having stolen ideas from AW. From screenshots, videos, and reading
betweeen the lines you can see that these programs are taking radically
different approaches than AW. As far as I know none of them are based
on Renderware for example.

Several of the emerging products have objects that can be freely
manipulated by any user, without the use of the kludgy "bot" concept.
They also have full "physics" components that allow for fairly realistic
gameplay and simulations, again, without the use of "bots".

AW's lead in this market space has slowly evaporated. While I agree
with you that ENZO will not be inclined to let the product die, there
are certainly a number of oportunities that were missed to ensure it's
long-term survival. No point in going over them now though :)

I really liked ENZO when the program was just geting started, then
things changed, and never got better again. I kinda think AW and maybe
even ENZO got taken for a ride. Need I say more? Interesting that he
is actually interacting with the community again. Is it too little
too late? I think the newsgroups are a bit TOO moderated at this point.
They go from one extreme to the other. Everything about AW seems to
operate at two speeds, ON or OFF. hehe

Post this if you wish. As a former AW user I can only read.

PS: I forgot to mention, we've been in touch with some university types
who are working on a totally open source 3D-VR that has some really neat
new concepts. One that I particularly like is that (like the web) it
can pull objects from anywhere on the net. As you might have a web page
with graphics drawn from several other web sites, so you might have a 3D
world with objects drawn from servers all over the world. They are
designing the thing from ground-up with voice and text handling
features, and building it to compile for Windows, Linux, or even OS X.
The graphics are primitive at this point, but these days, getting the
underlying design right is much more important, otherwise you paint
yourself into a corner where new features are harder and harder to add
(sound familiar?). Here is the link for their site:

http://www.interreality.org/

More on Linden - thanks MacB

Dec 14, 2002, 3:54pm
> as AW with another 3D engine. And who is "we"? And how are you a "former
> AW user" if you're posting here?

Brant.

Please read the full text of the post before commenting....as my first line
said :


Linden


...it then went on to his email to me, I am merely reposting for him...so
please read read read before commenting, none of that post is *my*
thoughts - it was an email from MacB with *his* thoughts - and MacB is no
longer a user of AW - which is a huge shame, as he has been around probably
as long as I have been.

AW has lost so many of the old timers *sigh*


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>

More on Linden - thanks MacB

Dec 14, 2002, 9:45pm
Oops..maybe i shuld read a little better- thought you were directing your
comments at me,....

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There

Jan 8, 2003, 12:18pm
More kids ont he block..and this one does look damn cool...vehicles n
all...yoop!

http://www.there.com/what_is_there.html

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There

Jan 8, 2003, 3:37pm
[View Quote] It does look veyr interesting...though, I wasnt able to see anywhere whether
it lets you *build* your own things or not...I saw that they would be
releasing the whole API so that people can make their own worlds and such,
but nothing else.....

Maybe i missed it :)

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There

Jan 8, 2003, 3:39pm
...just saw the "developers" page actually..didnt look at that before...so it
will let you build your own objects and products for in-world??? Wow. You
could program your own space-cruisers and such......

yup. lots of potential.

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There

Jan 8, 2003, 9:19pm
Whats the big deal with 3.4? Its not really all that revolutionary, and
also, I have been using it in beta now for months *shrugs*

Its good, sure, and any update is a vast improvement over no update, but i
dont know why everypjme is getting up in arms over it not being released
yet...its been abig changeover for shamus to pick up the coding you know,
its not like there wasnt a shitload to do and learn after Roland left...

But anyways, if you know much about the actual names behind There, you
wouldnt think of it in any way as Vapourware....as soon as I saw the people
behind it, vapour never even crossed my mind....

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There

Jan 13, 2003, 10:41am
Tz,

Have a look at the conversation over at Slashdot

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/08/1314208&mode=thread&tid=95

Names are:
Halsey Minor: Chairman/CEO of CNET
Trip Hawkins: CEO 3DO/Electronic Arts Founder
Jane Metcalfe: President/Co-founder Wired Magazine
Louis Rosetto: The other founder of Wired magazine...

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There

Jan 13, 2003, 10:42am
[View Quote] umm....maybe in the US it is at 70% - do you forget that there are a
thousand times the number of people in the rest of the world than there is
in the US? I dont have broadband, its too expensive her ein the UK and there
are horrible rates where you HAVE to sign up for 12 month contracts....

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more There

Jan 15, 2003, 8:18am
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It may be "just as good" but it is an older model, and may not actually
support some of what I would presume to be custom graphics that There
offers - remember, with the introduction of Geforces, the programmers gained
thea bility to actually access the hardware of the video card with specific
coding - this is probably why a TNT card is not suitable for using There
(T&L _+ directX assortments, remember, the TNT was originally designed for
direct X 6&7).

Also, remember everybody, in two years time, when There is actually
*popular* (or gone altogether) those minimum specs will be archaic - it is
the function of all recent games and entertainment software to program for
the highest spec possible, because they know that by release those specs
will already be what most hardware vendors offer as a bare minimum - and in
all honesty, if you dont upgrade your PC at LEAST every two years, then you
should not proclaim to have such heavy graphics uses for your machine,
because anyone who is serious about software and PC's knows that it is
essential to upgrade your entire machine every two years (18 months at the
optimum).

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Public Apology

Jan 15, 2003, 8:22am
Really, less people care than you think.

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Public Apology Continued

Jan 15, 2003, 8:25am
care factor = 0.

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Public Apology Continued

Jan 15, 2003, 3:48pm
[View Quote] Its still there, but I fail to see why such personal confrontations need to
be plastered in the newsgroups - it has nothing to do with any of the
discussions in here.....

Someone pointed out that this person was "semi-famous" in AW....well, so
what??

Take the laundry to a dry cleaner, not the NG :)

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[AWNews] Back in Business!

Jan 18, 2003, 6:53pm
Thankyou sir, you and all others for the effort.

Maybe I'll write you an article or two.....

....how about one dealing with the "real" formation of the rules and
guidelines for the GK's?

Thats a story that really need to be told..and luckily, lo and behold, I
have transcripts and emails saved that I jsut found on a very ancient
CD.....

That'd be good. Yes, I think I might just do that....

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[AWNews] Back in Business!

Jan 23, 2003, 8:16am
Its already done...the first part anyways, there are a few more parts to
come...if goober ever actually starts approving news items for the
site...when i submitted it over the weekend there were four other stories in
the queue!

:)

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[AWNews] Back in Business!

Jan 23, 2003, 8:08pm
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Hay, if you actually ever sent me an email, I might reply to it!

But, unfortunatly, I have never received anything from you at my email
address....which is invurt at hotmail.com

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Music Survey

Jan 23, 2003, 8:07pm
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Satanic Death Metal.

So I listen to groups like Deicide...

....and Hanson.

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Im sorry

Jan 24, 2003, 4:34pm
I'm sorry that the universe if infinate (seemingly)

I'm sorry that in the morning, when I execute my morning regime, that the
sounds echoing from the bathroom are way too loud for my flatmates to be
comfortable with.

I'm sorry that Cy cannot move his arms or legs.

I'm so, so so so very, very sorry, that Jenny is still, apparently, from the
block.

Im sorry.

*cries*


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ps - hay, peer pressure.....

So very sorry.

Jan 24, 2003, 4:54pm
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When i was seven I shot santa claus in the leg with a bb-gun because the
year before he brought me a crap present.


My father wasnt very happy with me...or the welt on his leg.

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